Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[Shinki]

I needed some effort to understand the situation here, never been in a large flavoured game like this before.
Apparently I'm a Loyalist to House Argelev, and my win condition is met when all danger to House Argelev and it's loyalists are no longe existant. (paraphrase)
PEdit: No houses then?

I can't really take sides on the SK/David wagon, 'cause both of them (players) are confusing at some point. But I guess some pressure can't hurt.
So, for now:

Vote: David Xanatos

FoS: SleepyKrew

Sorry If I mess something up, headache is killing me right now.

[Shinki]

#gandalf

And how do we know that you won't betray us? lol
That's more troublesome than anything I read from David or SK. :T

PEdit: It's more dangerous than a survivor, definitely, as survivors can't change their alignment to harm another factions.

[Shinki]

Indeed, that's not nice at all.

Unvote:
Vote: gandalf5166

Just because this situation is much less confusing than David/SK issue.

[Shinki]

#MacDougall

Not really, I was just eating cake in the meantime and when I came back he already did it.

inb4 the cake is a lie.

All the discussion concerning SK and David still a mess in my head, so I'd prefer to vote for something I find myself worth of voting, and not something that I don't quite understand.
And "Indeed, that's not nice at all" was an answer to your post, not vezokpiraka's.
This one:

[quote="In post 130 Oh, I believe he almost certainly will betray us. Those who, historically, have faced the choice he has before him, regularly choose the path of darkness.

[Shinki]

VOTE: David Xanatos

Seven pages in and it seems like a lot has gone on.. but it really hasn't.

- SK fakes a daykill and tries to bait people into claiming alignments.
Anyone who buys the daykill is an idiot.
Anyone with half a brain should've read the OP and the sample VT role PMs and would've known "Hey, don't claim shit."
- DX tries to latch on to these as "scummy" plays and comes up with a million and one bullshit reasons as to why we should lynch SK, none of which are valid.
- Gandalf claims survivor bastard
People try and push to lynch him based on the fact that his alignment *might* change. They are stupid.

Townie brownies go to SK, Otolia, Gand, and NC for what they've put in.
Scum cum goes to DX so far. Vezok and shinki can be added to the list of borderline scumbags.

Oh, now I understand their situation, thanks.
And it's not like two votes are going to "lynch" anyone...
Anyways, I'll stick with gandalf reasoning for the time being.

Unvote:

[Shinki]

That was really, unexpected.

[Shinki]

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wasted shot was wasted.

If you has more kill DX or Shinki

Mind if I ask you why would you like to kill me?

[Shinki]

Sorry, I'm just getting used to this kind of large game first, there's not much I can do for now.
But, I don't think that it's worth of killing me.. seems like Cain is kinda thirst for more kills.

[Shinki]

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wasted shot was wasted.

If you has more kill DX or Shinki

Mind if I ask you why would you like to kill me?

ISO 0 looks like fence sitting and then hoping on one or the other so you wouldn't look as scummy.

Your Gandalf vote and the

reason

for the Gandalf vote in ISO 2 sounds pretty opportunistic to me. In ISO 3 you state "All the discussion concerning SK and David still a mess in my head, so I'd prefer to vote for something I find myself worth of voting, and not something that I don't quite understand."

Yet you still voted for something you didn't deem worthy of a vote?

but you know what I find funny? When I fosed you in 148 you said

NOTHING

but when we found out that SK is an actual day vig and I said I wanted a shot on you then you were concerned.

Not really

concerned

, I was just curious.
About your other vote, you voted me for reasons I already explained to MacDougall a few posts before, and he didn't feel like voting me as you did. So I thought it would be useless to argue something more with you.

[Shinki]

Aw, messed up with the quotes, my post start at "Not really" >:

[Shinki]

So yourt argument is essentially that SK is so much superior to Espionage + AGM that he couldn't possibly do the same tactic? Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

FOS: Magua

As it happens on sleeping on it I can't evenm remember why I went on SK.

So...

Unvote, Vote: DX

So your argument is that I'm so goddamn suspicious that you'll admit that your vote on SK was bad and then vote who I want you to vote?

Bravo, sir.

Want Monk to confirm the masonry.

What post have I not said that the entirety of the DX wagon is stupid, I've been basically claiming mason with DX my entire ISO.

Not trying to defend David, but Monk already confirmed Mason's with him with this post, no?

[Shinki]

Well, imo SK vs. David is a Town-Town discussion, getting us nowhere in the end...

What's the case on Empking again? >:

PEdit: Ya, port claim is definitely not a scum claim. As the mod said, there are 'large groups' along with the houses too.

[Shinki]

Btw, there is anyone that came from the East here?
I just realized something.

[Shinki]

Call me dumb, but I think he's not lying .-. something like 65/35 true.. I can't really understand your logic, SK.

[Shinki]

Emp said he didn't believe my claim because he didn't realize a player can be a group. He claims to not have said this because Otoloia already said it. This is a LIE. Emp posted TWICE between my claim and Oto's post. Those two posts were a vote, and then calling my claim fake (with no reasoning). Now he is just

flail

splashing around like the Magikarp he is.

I hope I didn't forget too much of it >.<

'kay, I understand it now.. but if he really flips townie cop? That would be incredibad for us, no?
And many people voted for Empking but still didn't said nothing about his claim, what do you guys think about that?

[Shinki]

It's been some hours already... anyways,

Vote: Empking

Well, he's at L-1 now, just a reminder

Btw, Sleepy, who would you shot tomorrow?

inb4 you

no, srsly.

[Shinki]

I see..
That's because I wasn't sure about risking to lynch a cop at D1, not really used to this gameplay yet.

Why wouldn't "you" have been a srs answer?

Concerning this, think about it.
In fact, it isn't a matter of seriousness.

[Shinki]

Shinki, still don't see why I'm not allowed to shoot you.

I didn't say you aren't allowed, I wanted to know who'd you shoot besides me, that's all.

unvote

Call me dumb,

but I think he's not lying .-. something like 65/35 true

.. I can't really understand your logic, SK.

It's been some hours already... anyways,

Vote: Empking

THIS AFTER YOU SAID HE'S MOST LIKELY TOWN?!?

'k, I see that there are blind ones here too, read 668. [2]

[Shinki]

Shinki....do you believe Emps cop claim?

After reading the case SK showed me and isolating Emp posts, he's acting more scummier than I thought, I'd bet 72/28 fake.

inb4 opportunist blablabla

Yeah, right.

[Shinki]

Sleepy died, I'll quit )):

Vote: StrangerCoug

Can you tell me about your killing powers, Mr. Scum?

[Shinki]

...really, kdowns? really? >_>

[Shinki]

Is that even a reason? Or you're just making some excuses to vote for someone completely unrelated?
Well, whatever... there are more important business I must attend to.
And it seems you just ignored what I've said. Read #745 again and think about it.

[Shinki]

My bad, it's #742.

[Shinki]

No need for further explanations before SC answers me.

[Shinki]

You're nervous? Votes going up as you try to change the aim of the town.
I'll let the town deal with you, as I said before, there are more important things for me to do here than to argue with someone clearly in despair 'cause of votes.

[Shinki]

VOTE: MacDougall

I was going to get into this before night fell, but I missed it. His whole "I don't buy into any of the cases here" was complete bullshit then to turn around and hammer for "Meh, I guess" reasoning was bullshit and a half. Scumbag needs to die right now.

This is a good case against you. You should've quote this instead of the empty ones...
Well, I'm gonna lurk until SC shows up.

[Shinki]

#monk

I'd said I would lurk until SC showed up, but...

Whoa... I'm glad to know that I'm actually doing it right, really. (:
Sorry if I've been a little lost in the first day, I'll try harder from now on.

[Shinki]

The color blue did fool me. My bad. ><

What.
I'm on the same boat as you, he was scum? D:

[Shinki]

I've been feeling partially guilty for no reason, then.
This is so good to hear.

[Shinki]

I could tell you about that, Matt, but right after my post Wraith posted this:

Okay this is starting to get ridiculous.

You guys are not going to find out who is what alignment from the flavor. I've either left it totally ambiguous or am outright lying about certain elements to keep roles secret. Do not take this as me being a bastard mod and lying to you about your own roles, I'm just saying that this flavor speculation is getting out of hand and will not solve anything.

If the speculation continues on the scale it's on now then I will move from "ambiguous" to "deliberately deceptive" in my mod flavor, and/or ban paraphrasing of role PM flavor altogether.

So, yeah... discouraged pretty much to continue with the topic after that

[Shinki]

Sure, if there's no problem I'll gladly answer.

@Mod: Is it ok if I clarify this flavor-related question that I did before your post?

[Shinki]

Well, I'm going to class right now, we continue this by the evening.
And I still want to see StrangerCoug here.

[Shinki]

Sleepy died, I'll quit )):

Vote: StrangerCoug

Can you tell me about your killing powers, Mr. Scum?

Apparently I'm a Loyalist to House Argelev, and my win condition is met when all danger to House Argelev and it's loyalists are no longe existant. (paraphrase)

Think before you out yourself as lying by omission.

VOTE: Shinki

What a scummy reply.
Just as I expected from you anyway.

[Shinki]

Oh, and what excuse you'll try out? Miller? Something else? Give it a try.

[Shinki]

I'm sure he knows exactly what I am talking about, just like some other players.
And don't worry about this, Bogre, give your reads on MacDougall, I'll deal with SC.

[Shinki]

Hey guys, don't worry about it, ok?

[Shinki]

Your post sounds so fake.
You're just happy 'cause your head is off the guillotine for now

Your post sounds so fake.
You're just happy 'cause your head is off the guillotine for now, but I would still prefer to lynch you today and the confirmed scum for tomorrow just because all that deflection of yours.

[Shinki]

Aww check it out Shinki. Everyone is helping you get rid of the scummy guy. Nice work!

Messed up quotes again. -_-

[Shinki]

Anyone else feels like lynching MacDougall today too?
StrangerCoug can wait for tomorrow. :T

[Shinki]

I didn't said you killed someone today.
I'm saying that you're scum. I just added some flavor to my first post in this day.

And of course, MacDougall is suspect and annoying, but yes, we lynch you today.

[Shinki]

I don't want you to believe me, I want you to tell me your excuse/defense for my scum read at you. If you have any, that is.

[Shinki]

Just die then, scum.

[Shinki]

Oh, and by the way, I didn't ask Sleepy yesterday about who he would kill in the next day for no reason.
I needed some leads, and he gave me.
He was right about Empking, and he is right about you, SC.

[Shinki]

And in case you (SC) were innocent, I would try to stop him from killing you in the next day and wasting another day shot with a townie, win-win.

Well, gotta sleep, g'night.

[Shinki]

SC is at L-1 now. i still think shinki is faking the guilty result.

unvote, vote: shinki

inb4 "i only got a tracker/gunsmith/fake result on SC, but his reaction after being "caught" is scummy." by shinki after SC flips town.

Oh, I'm pretty sure he'll flip scum.
Why won't you just vote for him and see for yourself?
But your post reminds me of something...

#721
You're doing exactly the opposite here, I guess this could be a WIFOM situation for free town creds?

Aaand... about his (SC) reaction, he didn't reacted at all, just called me fake after MacDougall hypotheses at #827. He also baited me to see if my investigation was real or not, and not even bothered trying to defend himself. Actually, now that I think about it was a kind of reaction. He just gave up and tried to get some information for his mates, in my point of view.