Open 321: Kc's FIRE and ICE: Game over.

Klazam · Post Post #286 (isolation #0) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:59 am

Heya all. This is your friendly neighborhood bee, replacing in for ConfidAnon.

(My avatar of a cartoony bee goes here) (Yes, this is my /confirm)

In my last couple of games, I had v/la issues. I'm hoping it won't be a issue in this game. I'm aiming for at least one post a (IRL) day. If a long time passes and I don't post, call me out on it in thread. I often read and don't post anything. I'm trying to break that habit.

I'm up to page 5- PI is scum, and verydark is a close second.

Klazam · Post Post #287 (isolation #1) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:22 am

Hmm. Just finished my read.

I'm not going to vote VE in this day. So town.

Scum?

gbevilchaos- More time is needed to read this slot- and he is being replaced, blah. The reason why i feel funny about gb is because of his "Skimming is scummy" attack on VE.

SCUM:

PI

cavjj- Why? posting does NOT feel right (on PI's part). Answer this- who do you find scummy right now? There isnt a good reason to withhold your opinions.

cavjj wrote:I've had a look at the thread and formed my opinions, but I'll wait until we get the two replacements and activity picks up a little bit more.

You not saying anything does nothing to help activity pick up.

Verydark - Gut scumread. Cant really quantify this right now.

That's all i have for now.

I like where ConfidAnon's vote is. To make it official-

vote cavjj

Klazam · Post Post #299 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:30 am

VisceraEyes wrote:This game is a v/la and prod factory. Prod received and acknowledged.

Any addtional input other than this?

Klazam · Post Post #302 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:17 am

Reab- why would you be concerned about not starting a bandwagon? If you think warrior is scummy, you should be calling to start a bandwagon. I find your caution scummy.

Klazam · Post Post #303 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:20 am

Screw it.

vote reab

Klazam · Post Post #306 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:21 am

Reab wrote:I dont want to start a bandwagon on him because
Inactivity doesnt automatically mean he is scum.
it's just my thoughts i had about his almost not existing actions he did so far, and i have been asking for your guys input about him (
which you btw didnt manage to give me, klazam. you just shot out a random vote.
) to see if you guys are thinking the same. Furhtermore i am still waiting for a response of him, thats why i didn't call a bandwagon so far. His statement will bring in some results.

Bolded: If you dont think hes scum why vote for him?

Underlined: please elaborate.

Klazam · Post Post #308 (isolation #6) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:21 pm

Voting for inactivity?

There's a ton of other players who are inactive in this game, why him in particular? The fact that you voted him makes me believe that you think he is scum.

I dont have any thoughts about warrior. He's not posting enough for me to form a opinion.

Klazam · Post Post #340 (isolation #7) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:31 am

Hmm.

Reab- answer this question- Do you believe in the policy, Lynch All Lurkers? That's what you're doing here. You're not scumhunting, you're lurkerhunting. Lurkers can be town/scum, and most of the time there is not enough information to tell them apart. It is my belief that lurkerhunting is a easy thing for scum to do. You're lukerhunting, therefore you are scummy. You are also misrepresenting Toon Fighter.

He hasn't brought any real input so far, jumps on wagons as 4th or 5th person, no matter which person is getting waggoned.

That was for his only vote, which he later provides reasoning for. your sentence makes him sound like he is doing it chronically.

Cavjj- If you ever come back, could you address my question?

Toon Fighter- We need MOAR postage from you.

Empking- If you dont think TF is scum, could you enlighten us to why?

Mod- I feel your pain. replacements suck.

Klazam · Post Post #343 (isolation #8) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:34 am

Empking, so vd, cirno, cavjj, and krazy is scum?

Klazam · Post Post #345 (isolation #9) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:21 am

I mean, these four is who you think is scum?

Klazam · Post Post #348 (isolation #10) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:55 am

The reason why i tried to clarify empking's suspicions is because he seems to think that toon fighter is not scum because toon is not in these four, which I find implausible. I'm just trying to figure out how empking is so sure.

Klazam · Post Post #352 (isolation #11) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:42 pm

know what? Toon Fighter is right.

Reab wrote:
3) i would rather go for warriormode than Toon Fighter, just because of the simple fact that
Toon Fighter is actively bringing in ideas and thoughts to the game
, and warrior, well, read above.

Toon Fighter wrote:back, what's new?

Reab wrote:
For right now i'm more worrying about Toon Fighter.
He hasn't brought any real input so far
, jumps on wagons as 4th or 5th person, no matter which person is getting waggoned. He seems to not care who is getting voted on, and therefore i call him out being scum.
He didn't put in any reliable scumhunt or helpful asnwers so far. The only thing he did was repeating other's opinions, while not forming his own thoughts.

How did that one post in between totally shift your stance on Toon Fighter? Read the bolded. They are complete opposite statements.

Klazam · Post Post #357 (isolation #12) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:06 am

Due to the insanely slow pace of this game, I'd like to propose something.

Why not we post a list of people we are willing to see lynched then figure out who has the most people wanting to lynch that person, then lynch based on that?

Hopefully, the pace of this game will pick up on day 2.

I'm willing to see these three people lynched-

Reab, because he is scummy, as i pointed out in previous posts.
VeryDark, gut scumread
Cavjj, because i did not like PI's posts.

What do you think, everyone?

Klazam · Post Post #372 (isolation #13) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:27 pm

Reab wrote:
Toon Fighter wrote:I claim VT

Didn't the host say 1 doc, 4 mafia, and rest gets normal townie pm (Page 1, Post 3 or 4, the Role descriptions) ??

How would you know that you are VT ? This doesn't make sense.

!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!

IF i'm reading this correctly, reab needs to be lynched NAO.

Or i'm horribly wrong.

...

Are anybody else seeing what reab is saying in that post or it's just me?

...

That post has a 80% probablity of being a scumslip.
...

Klazam · Post Post #375 (isolation #14) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:30 pm

HAI CIRNO

I SEE YOU ARE THINKING THE SAME THING I SEE

Klazam · Post Post #382 (isolation #15) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:00 am

...

I have no idea whether to believe this or disbelieve this.

...

So how do you know about vengeful townies? It isnt in MBF's flash.

Vanilla Townie IS in the flash, too.

Even the VT PM has "Vanilla Townie".

I have no idea how you'd miss that.

Klazam · Post Post #385 (isolation #16) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:05 am

..MEH..

I have to think about it.

Klazam · Post Post #387 (isolation #17) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:07 am

Reab wrote:
Toon Fighter wrote:I claim VT

Didn't the host say 1 doc, 4 mafia, and rest gets normal townie pm (Page 1, Post 3 or 4, the Role descriptions) ??

How would you know that you are VT ? This doesn't make sense.

My issue with what you said is that if you looked and saw two possible roles, why didnt you ask which one toon was? You instead say "VT" like you knew what it was.

Klazam · Post Post #389 (isolation #18) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:12 am

Meh. He can live to be lynched another day, i guess.

unvote

Will look at other people. More likely my vote's gonna go to one of the scummy lurkers.

Klazam · Post Post #397 (isolation #19) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:08 pm

Krazy wrote:
Reab wrote:
No, said "VT" because i didnt want to ask what a VT is, because you would have misinterpreted it :/ NEED TO GO!

That is a totally unsatisfactory answer to your question, Klazam, (and your question itself is one I might have asked myself). Not sure why you accept this answer.

On the other hand though, I had a townread on MediocreJPop, which either means MediocreJPop was much better at appearing town than either the first person in that slot or the current one, I'm still inclined to say that Ceab is more likely to be derping town than scumslipping.

But this thing where Reab doesn't even ask whether he's claiming "voteless townie" or "vengeful townie" is extremely alarming, in more than just a scum-slip kind of way. Even if telling the truth, that means Reab is not asking vital questions that interfere with his capacity to understand what people are saying in the game. Honestly, not asking whether it's Voteless Townie or Vengeful Townie because he's afraid it will be "misinterpreted" might actually be scummier than the apparent slip.

Gonna have to process this one a bit more.

I'm not entirely accepting the answer. I just dont see the point of pursuring an arugement with somebody who's not even there. I have no desire to try and lynch somebody who cant even defend himself. I'll pursure it more when he's back.

Toon Fighter- UGH. Too many v/la and flakers in this game. It'll be a miracle if we lynch somebody in D1.

Klazam · Post Post #398 (isolation #20) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:13 pm

Cavjj- Why wouldnt you give your opnions on the game upon replacing in? Holding back your opnion has no benefit to the town.

Klazam · Post Post #400 (isolation #21) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:32 pm

Last post for now-

Cirno- could you link me to a completed town game of yours?

Kcda- After this game ends, I'll nom you for the Best peformance in a losing cause Scummy. I really do pity you. 11 replacements....

Klazam · Post Post #403 (isolation #22) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:32 pm

Klazam · Post Post #407 (isolation #23) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:04 pm

DAMN. I WANNA EAT THAT. >.<

Klazam · Post Post #411 (isolation #24) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:32 pm

1. Klazam is likely scum with Reab, not as likely scum if Reab is town. Backing off of the (legit, IMO) scumslip like that just looks like scum distancing, and there have been other places in the thread where Klazam/ConfidAnon fence sat.

See bolded/underlined below.

Klazam wrote:
Krazy wrote:
Reab wrote:
No, said "VT" because i didnt want to ask what a VT is, because you would have misinterpreted it :/ NEED TO GO!

That is a totally unsatisfactory answer to your question, Klazam, (and your question itself is one I might have asked myself). Not sure why you accept this answer.

On the other hand though, I had a townread on MediocreJPop, which either means MediocreJPop was much better at appearing town than either the first person in that slot or the current one, I'm still inclined to say that Ceab is more likely to be derping town than scumslipping.

But this thing where Reab doesn't even ask whether he's claiming "voteless townie" or "vengeful townie" is extremely alarming, in more than just a scum-slip kind of way. Even if telling the truth, that means Reab is not asking vital questions that interfere with his capacity to understand what people are saying in the game. Honestly, not asking whether it's Voteless Townie or Vengeful Townie because he's afraid it will be "misinterpreted" might actually be scummier than the apparent slip.

Gonna have to process this one a bit more.

I'm not entirely accepting the answer. I just dont see the point of pursuring an arugement with somebody who's not even there. I have no desire to try and lynch somebody who cant even defend himself. I'll pursure it more when he's back.

Toon Fighter- UGH. Too many v/la and flakers in this game. It'll be a miracle if we lynch somebody in D1.

I'm not backing off of it. I'm just saying that I'll wait on it.

And if i was scum with Reab, why would i be the first to point out the scumslip? (WIFOM, yes, but still)

Klazam · Post Post #413 (isolation #25) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:51 pm

Klazam wrote:Meh. He can live to be lynched another day, i guess.

unvote

Is this backpedaling?

Also, youre saying i'm planning on forgetting it. I'm not. But no way to prove that.

Klazam · Post Post #415 (isolation #26) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:40 pm

All right- Let me break down that post: "MEH"- My displeasure at him going v/la, "He can live to be lynched another day"= "I'll pursure it more when he's back."(which I later said)

And where did that "our assertion" come from? You had no part in it. It was MY assertion.

That's the last i'm saying on this topic. Any addtional discussion will just go in circles.

Klazam · Post Post #417 (isolation #27) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:17 pm

If it's new questions, sure. His last couple of comments basically amounts to the same thing.

Klazam · Post Post #419 (isolation #28) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:38 pm

That's a fair impression to make from what i said, i can see that now.

The main thing that i have a problem with is that having my vote on him and putting pressure on him will accomplish exactly nothing because he isnt even here. That's why i took my vote off.

Klazam · Post Post #424 (isolation #29) » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:06 am

KDCA- Vote count/ deadline?

Klazam · Post Post #466 (isolation #30) » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:33 pm

I'm busy, will be back tomorrow night with content.

It's good that Reab's v/la ends before the end of the day. I'll be on his ass then.

Klazam · Post Post #479 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:07 am

Vis- I too would like to have some reasoning why you won't vote for reab.

This game is making me not motivated. Hard to even apply pressure or find suspicions when every other player is being replaced or on v/la... At least out of all the active players, only cavjj feels scummy. I believe that everyone else (that is active) is town.

Klazam · Post Post #481 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:26 am

I want to be voting reab.

Klazam · Post Post #488 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:38 pm

I've been reading through, and this is what i see. Please read the following posts by cavjj

cavjj wrote:
I've had a look at the thread and formed my opinions
, but I'll wait until we get the two replacements and activity picks up a little bit more.

cavjj wrote:Guys having another re-read of the thread now. Seeing a few people saying "Cavjj hasn't answered my question" or "PI didn't answer my question", I'll address anything I see on my re-read when I've finished but anything specific you want to ask, let me know so I can get back to you.

cavjj wrote:Klazam, it was mainly a combination of the fact that the thread had been largely inactive for a few days, and two replacements were due. Mainly wanted to wait for some more contributions from others before I posted anything.

cavjj wrote:
Because I wanted to see contributions to myself rather than something PI had posted that had made him and me look like scum.
Unfortunately, I haven't really been on last week and I've explained why (Even if I was scum, I'm not going to lie about personal circumstances. But watching your neighbourhood filled with rioters, shops you go into burning down in front of you here in London I've had more important things on my mind).
So the main reason that I waited to post at that point ended up null and void.

These are 4 posts that cavjj made in a row. Post A implies that he has formed opnions, on players, but he's waiting until later to post it. (Italized part). Post B says that he's doing a re-read. Post C was him saying that he was waiting for more postage. Post D- Underlined part makes absloutely no sense. I see no town motivation underlying that part. Then we come to the bolded part. If the main reason why you waited is void, then how come we have NOT heard your opnions from either your original read, or your reread? I feel that this is active lurking of a sort, trying to look like content will be given, but nothing has came out of it.

After that, you FoS reab, then decided that he's a total newb, which excuses all suspicions on him. Afterwards, there's a dumb second RVS.

then you point me, Emp, and VE out as scummy- VE due to his ATE and Me/emp due to me trying to clarify who he thought was scummy.

There's another post about Emp.

That's It. Where's all your opnions from your read/ reread?

vote: cavjj

Klazam · Post Post #490 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:51 pm

Klazam · Post Post #493 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:54 pm

Krazy wrote:Alright Klazam, let me just cut to the heart for a moment: cavjj might be sort of lurky and sort of scummy, but why is he the best lynch today?

Because hes the only damned player that i have a decent scumread on, other than Reab.

If you ask me why I'm not voting for Reab, it's because although i think hes scummy, i dont have enough to feel certain. I want more time to see what reab has to say. When sunday rolls around, I'll see what happens, but for now, my lynch choice is cavjj.

I would say it is 100% certain that one or more of the hardcore lurkers/replacees are scum, but I cannot see which. 2-3 posts before being replaced, and/or disappearing does not give me enough material to go off on. If i vote for a lurker, It would be essentially a random vote, while if i vote for cavjj, I believe that is better than random. PI and cavjj has demostrated enough scumminess for me to be confident about their lynch. I cannot say the same for any other player.

Klazam · Post Post #496 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:05 pm

mod- reab is on v/la, not cavjj

Whoops >.>

Klazam · Post Post #503 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:29 pm

Why i think reab is scum? Please go ans look at the exchanges between me and reab. he seems to say that he did not get a vanilla townie role pm.

VeryDark was a gut scumread for me. nothing to go off of. Time is needed.

Increased activity sounds good.

What's your opnions on scum at this point?

Klazam · Post Post #509 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:25 pm

URGH. Whiskers- why are you ok with forcing a claim, but not ok with lynch? A claim should be the last line of defense agnist a lynch. You just want more role information outed?

Klazam · Post Post #511 (isolation #39) » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:15 pm

I'll add my vote on that.

unvote, vote: Whiskers

Klazam · Post Post #513 (isolation #40) » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm

I'm cool with forcing a claim from him, but I am opposed to his lynch.

If you are opposed to a lynch, you should never want to force a claim. This is why Whiskers is scummy. Forcing claims without intent of lynch just outs more role information, which is extremely harmful to the town.

Klazam · Post Post #520 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:03 pm

Why would you want him to claim if you dont want to lynch him?

Smart- I realized that whiskers deserves voting after CSL voted for him.

Klazam · Post Post #521 (isolation #42) » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:13 pm

Whiskers wrote:Worst case scenario, he trueclaims doc. That's on your heads, not mine.

I dont like this sentence

Klazam · Post Post #523 (isolation #43) » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:12 pm

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT AGANIST HIS CLAIMING IF YOURE AGANIST HIS LYNCH?!?!

Context is everything. read posts 371 and the subsquent posts to understand what our opnions are from.

Klazam · Post Post #532 (isolation #44) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:57 am

Klazam wrote:I've been reading through, and this is what i see. Please read the following posts by cavjj

cavjj wrote:
I've had a look at the thread and formed my opinions
, but I'll wait until we get the two replacements and activity picks up a little bit more.

cavjj wrote:Guys having another re-read of the thread now. Seeing a few people saying "Cavjj hasn't answered my question" or "PI didn't answer my question", I'll address anything I see on my re-read when I've finished but anything specific you want to ask, let me know so I can get back to you.

cavjj wrote:Klazam, it was mainly a combination of the fact that the thread had been largely inactive for a few days, and two replacements were due. Mainly wanted to wait for some more contributions from others before I posted anything.

cavjj wrote:
Because I wanted to see contributions to myself rather than something PI had posted that had made him and me look like scum.
Unfortunately, I haven't really been on last week and I've explained why (Even if I was scum, I'm not going to lie about personal circumstances. But watching your neighbourhood filled with rioters, shops you go into burning down in front of you here in London I've had more important things on my mind).
So the main reason that I waited to post at that point ended up null and void.

These are 4 posts that cavjj made in a row. Post A implies that he has formed opnions, on players, but he's waiting until later to post it. (Italized part). Post B says that he's doing a re-read. Post C was him saying that he was waiting for more postage. Post D- Underlined part makes absloutely no sense. I see no town motivation underlying that part. Then we come to the bolded part. If the main reason why you waited is void, then how come we have NOT heard your opnions from either your original read, or your reread? I feel that this is active lurking of a sort, trying to look like content will be given, but nothing has came out of it.

After that, you FoS reab, then decided that he's a total newb, which excuses all suspicions on him. Afterwards, there's a dumb second RVS.

then you point me, Emp, and VE out as scummy- VE due to his ATE and Me/emp due to me trying to clarify who he thought was scummy.

There's another post about Emp.

That's It. Where's all your opnions from your read/ reread?

vote: cavjj

Cavjj, are you avoiding responding to me?

Klazam · Post Post #559 (isolation #45) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:42 am

I really do not like Reab for his hammer without a claim. I also still am suspicious about Cavjj- his wagon-joining feels too "easy" to me. I'll decide where my voting is going in a moment.

EBWOPreview:

vote toon

Klazam · Post Post #560 (isolation #46) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:44 am

On second thought, I think i'm mistaken.

unvote

Klazam · Post Post #564 (isolation #47) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:04 am

Uhh. I think it is now kind of clear that Toon is ice scum here.

vote toon

Klazam · Post Post #568 (isolation #48) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:28 am

A) Congratulating the doc- very classic scumtell
B) Confusion about the night's kill- Asking if it was the fire mafia who killed Empking, when he already knew about his kill on Emp, therefore knowing that the fire mafia shouldnt have killed Emp. This is supported by him asking if the fire mafia sent in their kill first.

The reason why i voted/unvoted first off was because i saw A) then I made a reflex reaction. after i read the rest of his post, it makes no sense from mafia's viewpoint. After the mod's error was caught/changed, then the post suddenly made sense from Ice mafia's viewpoint.

EBWOPreview:

GAHHHHH I HATE CAVJJ

Klazam · Post Post #572 (isolation #49) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:56 am

Toon- you congratulate the doc, then ask that question, which meant you think that the doc saved somebody. I do not think that question is a clarification to know if the doc protected somebody.

Klazam · Post Post #575 (isolation #50) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:52 pm

Please demostrate how "Knowing more about them can help us narrow down scum possibilities".

Klazam · Post Post #578 (isolation #51) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:07 pm

Congratulating a doc isnt that much of a tell. It isnt the main reason why i'm voting.

Let me walk you through this from the Ice Scum viewpoint.

Ice Scum Toon Fighter wrote:Night: *kills Emp*
Daybreak: Emp is dead. yup. WAITWHAT? Fire Scum killed him? I know i killed him. Question: Did fire scum kill him first? Or did we try to kill somebody else?

This is how i see things.

EBWOPreview:

What krazy said.

Klazam · Post Post #580 (isolation #52) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:24 pm

Becuse of the "congrats doc" part.

"Mod, when you say Empking died by Fira Maf that means ONLY Fire Maf targeted him or Fire Maf targeted him first?"

This isnt the sort of question i'd execpt to see if he was wondering if the doc saved somebody. If he was truly wondering, would he have put up the congrats doc part first?

Klazam · Post Post #582 (isolation #53) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:51 pm

Dumb scum would.

Klazam · Post Post #596 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:23 am

MOD- xanatos is voting toon fighter also, between me and krazy

I think VE is just being dumb.

Klazam · Post Post #600 (isolation #55) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:47 pm

Xanatos, I'd like you to comment on CSL's vote for you.

Klazam · Post Post #601 (isolation #56) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:50 pm

And did Toon just do a Fade-Out?

Klazam · Post Post #606 (isolation #57) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:32 pm

yeah, Cirno.

KJ, I cant really attack you due to Cavjj's actions, because there's no way in hell you can defend aganist it, so i'll just call you scummy for now and see what devlops. Both PI and Cavjj was scummy, so you have a quite long climb ahead of you. To start, PLEASE POST YOUR OPNIONS ON THE END OF YOUR REREAD, dont just keep it to yourself.

Klazam · Post Post #618 (isolation #58) » Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:55 am

why would you care about townpoints?

Klazam · Post Post #622 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:02 pm

Well you got some. Scumpoints, that is.

Klazam · Post Post #627 (isolation #60) » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:08 pm

Sarcasm in response to sarcasm in internet forums never work....

Klazam · Post Post #656 (isolation #61) » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:52 pm

I was the one who made that orignal accusation. I did say something.

Klazam · Post Post #692 (isolation #62) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:23 am

I need to catch up in this game. Tonight, i will.

Klazam · Post Post #711 (isolation #63) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:18 pm

Shit, something came up/.

v/la until monday

sorry for being inactive so far. Promise, I'll make it up upon my return.

Klazam · Post Post #750 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:32 am

I'm BAAACK.

Seems that nothing important happened. I'm rereading the thread, with a eye on CSL, since he's suspect #1.

Klazam · Post Post #756 (isolation #65) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:23 am

.. I'm with DX here. I still think the Toon Fighter is scum, and i dont think CSL is scum....

Just lynch Toon Fighter. Please?

Klazam · Post Post #784 (isolation #66) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:57 pm

People saying that they were targeted for a nk. I no like this speculation.

Klazam · Post Post #785 (isolation #67) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:59 pm

By the way, my vote is still going on

vote Toon Fighter

Klazam · Post Post #792 (isolation #68) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:31 pm

Truthfully, I'm not sure if DX confirming/debunking his doctorness is a good play right now. I think we have a couple days to go before LYLO, and having the doctor stay unclaimed is always a good thing.

Klazam · Post Post #793 (isolation #69) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:41 pm

For now, lets treat DX as confirmed town, and go on with lynching Toon Fighter.

By the way,

FOS smarg

. PEnding reread, my vote might go there if i find anything more that is scummy.

Klazam · Post Post #795 (isolation #70) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:48 pm

All right, a iso, i see enough fro smarg to

vote Smarg

I dont like his posts, then he comes in here, asking DX to hardclaim if he is the doctor (which i doubt). That information's benefit does not outweigh the advantage of not knowing whether DX is the actual doc. This is rolefishing at its finest.

Klazam · Post Post #798 (isolation #71) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:32 am

MOD: need to update the OP with the D2 Lynch.

Done. Thanks.

Klazam · Post Post #800 (isolation #72) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:55 am

Hm. Just realized that half of the players alive right now is scum. Let me run through some scenarios:

S1)
D3: 5-2-2, Lynch scum, 5-2-1
N3: Assuming worst case scenario- 3-2-1
D4: Cannot lynch the 1-man scumgroup- 3-1-1
N4: Assuming worst case scenario- 1-1-1
D5: Prisoner's dilemma

S2)
D3: 5-2-2, Lynch town, 4-2-2
N3: Assuming worst case scenario- 2-2-2
D4: Town loss is assured, Prisoner's dilemma of a kind.

S3)
D3: 5-2-2, Lynch scum, 5-2-1
N3: Assuming worst case scenario- 3-2-1
D4: lynch the 1-man scumgroup- 3-2
N4: Town loses

Meh. We really need to lynch scum, on this day, and we need to get lucky with a crosskill/ doc save.

We're doomed.

If I had to choose right now, my townlist is Myself, DX, cirno, VE. Anybody outside that list probably is scum.

Mod- votecount?

After the mod shows a votecount, I'll hop on the largest bandwagon that isnt on my townlist.

Klazam · Post Post #801 (isolation #73) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:59 am

also,

MOD- can you clarify one thing- could fire mafia kill ice mafia, and vice-versa?

If so, that will give us a bit of hope, at least.

Klazam · Post Post #820 (isolation #74) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:25 pm

I'm not certain why you're so scared that youre not on my townlist.

You will never make it on there, due to the actions of your predecessors.

Klazam · Post Post #824 (isolation #75) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:36 pm

I LOVE THE DOUBLE ISO FEATURE-WHO DO I HAVE TO THANK FOR THAT?

that said- I read the ISO of both Cirno and Krazy/gbevil- I never saw anything from cirno indicating that cirno was suspicious of gb/Krazy. Just disagreements over opinion. Krazy's posting feels amazingly town to me, for some reason. So I'm adding krazy to my town list. That means everyone else is scum.

Perfectly happy to do this:

VOTE KILLERJESTER

Klazam · Post Post #825 (isolation #76) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:42 pm

DX- Is that unvote to prevent a speedlynch, or to reconsider your thoughts on killerjester?

Klazam · Post Post #828 (isolation #77) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:48 pm

All right. I'm still happy with my vote on kj. See: PI04 and cavjj's play this game.

Klazam · Post Post #831 (isolation #78) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:20 pm

In post 829, killerjester wrote:I can't do anything about their play. Do you seriously think Krazy and cirno are both town?

Yup.

Klazam · Post Post #833 (isolation #79) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:34 pm

Krazy: please find examples of killer defending ToonFighter. I do not see any. (Although you got killer's insane tunneling on you right)

Klazam · Post Post #835 (isolation #80) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:09 pm

Fine, Killer, explain why its either VE or me.

Klazam · Post Post #850 (isolation #81) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:47 am

All right. Power rereading done. I'll knock VE off my list, and replace him with Smarg. I now have reason to believe that killerjester and VE is on the same scumteam.

WHY?

Because I reread, and found one common thread within PI04, cavjj, and kj's play. That thread was soft defense/distancing with VE. In everything else, opinions seemed to change between these three players, but not with VE.

Klazam · Post Post #866 (isolation #82) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:41 pm

DX- what changed your mind?

Klazam · Post Post #870 (isolation #83) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:36 pm

DX- all three posts in the wrong topic?

Klazam · Post Post #876 (isolation #84) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:47 am

Hmm.

I really believe that both l-1 wagons today is on scum.

I'm okay with doing this:

unvote, vote Toon Fighter

.

HAMMAH TIME.

Klazam · Post Post #881 (isolation #85) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:00 am

If TF is actually town... I'm sorry. I tried.. meh.

Our only hope is to force as many scumlynches as possible and hope crosskills hurt the scum.

Klazam · Post Post #900 (isolation #86) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:41 am

3-2-2 ratio now. If DX says that VE is town, that's good enough for me. I'll lynch any of the 4 other people.

Consider this a intent to vote Killerjester, after more discussion.

Klazam · Post Post #902 (isolation #87) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:08 am

D'oh.

OBV i was too tired to post.

Hmm. I still want to vote KJ

Klazam · Post Post #906 (isolation #88) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:43 am

It's interesting that both VE and kj claims that the other one is not scum.

Klazam · Post Post #917 (isolation #89) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:02 am

Reab's scum.

Klazam · Post Post #919 (isolation #90) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:12 am

I am.

Klazam · Post Post #935 (isolation #91) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:49 pm

In post 924, Reab wrote:

Unvote Killerjester
| Reason: probably ice mafia,

Klazam · Post Post #938 (isolation #92) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:29 am

In post 936, Reab wrote:I don't care if you're fire or ice mafia aswell, it is my theory just as everyone else has a theory, and i'll stick with it for right now. I didn't vote on krazy right now because i wanted to look for other theories of other people, but since everyone is whining about it, here you go.

Vote: Krazy

If i understood this correctly, i'll be put on L-1 by a townie (probably klazam) and krazy will quickhammer me then. After you lynch me for the next mislynch, you guys can go read through that wagon. It's frustrating how easy you guys get sidetracked from the most suspicious people, especially when Kj was having me on the townlist for his whole game until now when the case around him is getting very tight.

It does not matter to me personally that you didnt vote krazy in that post. The only thing i care about is you unvoting Killerjester "Because he's probably Ice Mafia", which is the most crappy reasoning to unvote in the history of crap reasoning.

Klazam · Post Post #940 (isolation #93) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:34 am

UH. IF you quicklynch a scumbag, you do not get suspicion. If you were convinced that Killerjester was ice mafia, which at that point seemed obvious that you were, you wouldnt get looked at in the case of a mislynch. Who would? The hammerer.

I think I'm wanting to lynch reab. His scumminess is horrible. I call dibs on the hammer vote. ( So you're basically at L-1, reab.)

Klazam · Post Post #943 (isolation #94) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:33 am

After thinking about it- I want to have a happily ever after ending between the fire and ice mafia. In the interest of doing this-

I'm going to claim that I'm mafia. It's not really necessary for me to say which group I belong to.

Why I'm claiming?

I'm going to shoot DX tonight, and naturally you're not shooting me. This is to our mutual benefit. That way, we take out two townies tonight. This will allow us to eradicate all town presence in the town, and make this puny town ours, muahahaha. We will agree to come together and settle our rivalry peacefully.

Obviously, don't reply to my message. We do not want to let DX know who to protect.

vote:Reab

(to end the day now and bring us to a glorious victory)

(I needed to hammer reab, to ensure it was entirely safe for me to claim.)

Klazam · Post Post #947 (isolation #95) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:08 am

... Let me live, please. I asked the mod and he said that a happily ever after tie between the scumteams is entirely allowed. It'll still count as our victory. Hmm? I'll be shooting DX as promised. Let's hope you carry out your end of the bargain.

Klazam · Post Post #952 (isolation #96) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:23 am

I just find it funny I was right about you(kj) and ve being scumbuddies.

Klazam · Post Post #953 (isolation #97) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:25 am

Ah well good game, I guess. I guess I'll count that as an assist. Haha.

Klazam · Post Post #955 (isolation #98) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:47 am

Huh. Good one then. Must be cirno who's scummates with kj. I thought cirno, Krazy, and DX was town.

Klazam · Post Post #958 (isolation #99) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:55 am

Haha. If I didn't claim mafia, I'd be all over you for that mistake.

Seems that I made a mistake after all, lol. Should've asked for people's townlists, so I could "catch" you

Klazam · Post Post #959 (isolation #100) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:58 am

Say what, DX- why don't you protect ME. I'll be still shooting you, but by protecting me, you give yourself a slight chance to win. Hmm?

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:07 am

Hmm. More I think about it, I'll kill killerjester. Why? Because it is the best way for me to get my revenge on you for not accepting my deal. I'm not gonna hand it to you on a silver platter.

If I'm dead in the morning, along with KJ's corpse, it'll be obvious we killed each other. Town- you should lynch Cirno. I'll help you to do that, if DX protects me. (pretty please)

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:20 am

Killer- if he doesnt save me, then we'll both have lost, then.

Are you reconsidering your desire to kill me? If so, say so here.

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:26 am

Well I offer you my word that I won't kill you.

You know why?

I'm town. Muahahahahahahahaha

Kj and cirno is a scumteam. The other team is Reab and visceraeyes.

Gambit: total success.

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:30 am

... I'm not kidding. Well, fuck. Let's see what happens.

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:32 am

I'm utterly sure VE is scum with Reab though. Look at VE's reactions.

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:39 am

... Fine. I give up. So confused right now.

Never accounted for the possiblity of a double gambit...

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:41 am

If I was actually reab's partner, I wouldnt have given myself up to the opposing scum like that.

Also, look at VE' three townlist. That's a big slip, don't you think?

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:42 am

I'm done for now. Let's hope we still can win this.

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:47 am

I was claimed "scum"- why would you care about my townlist?

Klazam · Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:48 am

Fun twilight, though, haha

Klazam · Post Post #981 (isolation #111) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:47 pm

Reab just broke rule #8.

Klazam · Post Post #986 (isolation #112) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:53 pm

*tumbleweeds*

Klazam · Post Post #991 (isolation #113) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:59 pm

Really? Really? LOL.

Scum's killerjester for sure. Why?

When I fakeclaimed scum- note how I was not explictly making it obvious which scumteam i was on (Because, OBV, i had no idea which team reab belonged to), look at how killer quickly sets himself up as part of a 2 man mafia. I do not believe that he was gambiting, whatsoever.

I'm just glad that my gambit caught scum.

If more questions arise, I'd be perfectly happy to answer them.

Klazam · Post Post #992 (isolation #114) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:04 pm

In post 946, killerjester wrote:So, Reab was your scumpartner Klazam? Yeah, take out the doctor for us, and I'll just shoot you.

In post 948, killerjester wrote:I'll thank you for the victory but I see no reason to share the win if we can just win.

In post 965, killerjester wrote:I'm still shooting you. Because if I don't odds are you're going to kill me anyways and try to get Cirno lynched for your win.

Note repeated usage of "WE".

This is coming from a scumbag that's so sure i'm on the opposing team.

IF he was gambiting, chances are that he'd set himself up to be on the 1-man team. Why?

WHY THE HELL WOULD I CLAIM SCUM IF I WAS THE ONLY ONE LEFT ON MY TEAM?!?! THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR A LOSS TO BE HANDED TO ME.

So summary cut short- I gambited, Killer scumclaimed. Day's in the bag.

I believe that Krazy is killer's partner. Why? Look at how he was pushing for reab's real partner to shoot Cirno. If he was on a team with Cirno, I doubt if he would have done that.

We have to lynch one in the 2-man scumteam today. if we dont, we lose. Killer's claimed 2man scumteam, so let's lynch him.

Klazam · Post Post #993 (isolation #115) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:06 pm

And if the orignal intent of his gambit was to protect the doctor, why'd he tell me to shoot the doc?

My gambit was to force either two mafiaso to kill me, or to crosskill. I claimed i would shoot the doc, to make sure that maf did not shoot the doc.

Klazam · Post Post #995 (isolation #116) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:20 pm

Why so eager to vote me?

946 clearly says he was not reab's scumbuddy.

Klazam · Post Post #996 (isolation #117) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:21 pm

VE- If you think I'm scum, what do you think i did during the night?

Klazam · Post Post #999 (isolation #118) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:24 pm

Also, can you describe to me why exactly his statements was a gambit? Note the clearness in his posts, that i did not have in mine. I left it open to be intrepreted as either I'm Fire or Ice mafia, I also did not obviously come out and say if i was reab's scumbuddy or not. After Killer's post, It was clear which role i had to play, so i went with that.

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:28 pm

In post 998, killerjester wrote:And hooolllllllyyyyyy shit VE.

If I was Reab's REAL partner, why the FUCK would I have CC'd Klazam?

Where did i say i was reab's partner? You were the one who said it first.

At this point, I'm really trying to figure out the odds of a double gambit happening in the same twilight....

Yup You were trying to provoke scum me into shooting you. That'd be what I'd have done if I was scum.

I wasnt scum, so youre still alive...

Killer- I want you to say your opinion on what happened during the night.

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:32 pm

I think it's important for me to say this:

The original purpose of my gambit turned out to fail. Why? Kcda did not lock the thread right after the lynch.

I was hoping to "claim scum" in such a way that both scumteams ended up believing that i was on the opposing team, either drawing a crosskill, or at least making sure DX didnt die.

To prove that point as best as i can I'll point to the section in my post:

"Obviously, don't reply to my message. We do not want to let DX know who to protect."

PEDIT: LOLSIMULPOST

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:34 pm

In post 944, VisceraEyes wrote:...I don't know what you just said. But here's hoping Reab is scum.

KJ, I want to know your opinion on this reaction to my gambit.

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:38 pm

You know, we really need some input from DX, Krazy, and Cirno.

My reads is all frazzled due to the gambit and the insanity surrounding it. I think I'll go ahead and read through the thread, looking for scumclues...

I want to know why you(KJ) was telling reab's real scummate to shoot Cirno, though.

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:40 pm

VE- If I was scum, dont you think the other team would have gone for somebody else, given that i claimed that i would shoot the doc.

Do you believe that one of me and killer is town? If o, why wouldnt you be voting Krazy or Cirno, as seeing as they would be confirmed scum at this point?

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:41 pm

VE- And if I was reab's real scummate (Which is what i claimed) voting me would end the game in a victory for the other scumteam. You know that?

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:00 pm

All right.

Initial Reactions:

Klazam: GAMBICLAIM scum- Unclear about which 2 teams
VE: Uh, hope that reab is scum.
Killerjester: Claims nonreab scum, claims it is a gambit.
Krazy: AW FUCK, IM ONLY TOWNIE, PROTECT ME
Cirno: Silence until a bad come at me bro joke.

I'm not sure who is scum in Krazy/Cirno. I need to reread, and see interactions between you three.

Yea 4 to lynch. I still dont see the rush to vote quickly at this point. This is a day where the town needs to get as much information as possible figured out. a misstep here means a town loss.

Now it is 3-2-1.

We need to make it a 3-1-1, going in night.

Worst case scenario- we are put in a prisoner's dilemma scenario- best case maf crosskills.

If we lynch reab's partner (Fire maf), Town loses to the ice mafia right away. I'll be rereading with an eye on specifically VE and Krazy's interactions with Reab. I'll also try and look at who KJ could be scum with. It's nice we have a conftown, though.

You know, if the fire maf claims today, he wont be lynched, and it'll narrow down ice maf for us. So would you claim, nice Mr. Fire? Just say no if you dont want to claim.

Klazam · Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:02 pm

VE- could you post a meta example of KJ gambiting?

Klazam · Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:10 am

Krazy's post is quite convincing, honestly. I'll have to reread and see who VE could be scum with.

KJ- Would you elaborate on why Cirno wouldnt make that post if he was Reab's real partner?

Klazam · Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:10 pm

I'm not sure if Cirno is just majorly scumlurking or not....

Klazam · Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:11 pm

Hmm. I dont think so. Cirno hasnt posted sitewide since that joke post...

Can we get a prod, and if needed a replace of Cirno?

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:46 am

on one hand- KJ and VE defends each other throughout the game,

On the other- that failed kill on VE....

I'm gonna say that VE is not ice by virtue of that failkill. A no kill is extremely unlikely, given that there was a truly small chance of DX protecting Ice Scum, which is the only case in which benefits the ice scum.

This leaves me with a 2/3 chance of finding the ice scum.

Krazy-KJ seems impossible
KJ-Cirno seems impossible
Cirno-Krazy is the only ice scum pairing that makes sense here.

HM.

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:47 am

Hold on. may have made a mistake there. FACTCHECKING

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:48 am

nope, no mistake.

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:18 am

Hmm. just had a thought, did you (DX) hint towards your possible protect of VE in any way?

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:40 pm

Krazy- Do you think KJ is scum? If so, WHY?

I'm not ready to end the day just yet.

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:42 pm

RE: KJ/VE- And IF they nokilled and DX targeted somebody else, it would have backfired. This is why i want to know if DX ever tried to hint that he would protect VE. This would clear things up, I believe.

Klazam · Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:11 pm

In post 1048, Krazy wrote:
In post 1047, Klazam wrote:RE: KJ/VE- And IF they nokilled and DX targeted somebody else, it would have backfired. This is why i want to know if DX ever tried to hint that he would protect VE. This would clear things up, I believe.

Define backfire--in this setup, if they no-killed, that would also mean there was no risk of them 'doccing' a player in a cross-kill with the other team. In a no-kill, they would be giving the doctor a chance to save them, and also giving the opposing faction less information, which might be just as good.

You don't find it suspicious at all that there was a 'doc save' or a 'cross-kill' almost every single day?

At this point, I really cant see VE and KJ making that type of play.

I just count it as luck.

DX- I'm done for now. I'm gonna vote Cirno, unless if you disagree with that.

Klazam · Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:21 pm

I'm still giving cirno a day. hurts nobody to do that.

Klazam · Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:53 am

Kj- would you be fine with lynching crazy instead of cirno?

Klazam · Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:19 am

I'm thinking about it- there seems to be a interesting colloboration between kj and krazy. If they are the ice scum here- it kind of makes sense. Both are pushing the lynch of nonicescum here. If either of their lynchwagons gain enough mass, the one not on the wagon can hammer for the win.

I'm basing my theory off how kj was glad to claim scum the previous twilight, and on how kj tried to direct the other scumteam to kill cirno, who I believe kj thinks is town. I think kj is wrong, and that cirno is probably firescum. I noticed how heavily kj was trying to buddy up to me. I "hinted" that I might vote cirno, and what did kj do? Encourage me to go down that path.

Kj seems so sure it's a cirno-krazy scumteam, but kj doesnt even try to push a wagon on krazy, instead focusing on the cirnowagon.

Klazam · Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:01 am

Krazy- are you opposed to an kj lynch, then?

Klazam · Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:06 pm

Who's VE's Scummate then?

Klazam · Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:17 pm

In post 1081, Klazam wrote:Who's VE's Scummate then?

Answer?

Klazam · Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:51 pm

hm.

You think i am VE's scummate? This is based on purely D5 reads? What about previously in the game? And add in the fact i really believe VE is Fire mafia. So... what am i supposed to say to that?

Keep this in mind: For a successful wagon to form on ice mafia, both townies, DX, and the fire mafiaso has to be on it. that's asking for a lot.

HM hold on. think i found something.

HMM.

Krazy votes: VE
KJ votes: Cirno, then Krazy
VE: Follows KJ
Cirno: votes KJ

This makes it feel like possible scum pairings would be:

Krazy-Cirno
KJ- VE

Since the latter one doesnt make any sense- mafia MUST be Krazy-Cirno....

If you include me-

Krazy-Cirno
Klazam-VE
Klazam-KJ

These three are the 3 scum pairings left for ice scum.

I cant be ice with Cirno or Krazy, because if i was, the game would have ended long time ago (L-2 wagon without both of me and krazy/cirno).

I dont think it would mean anything if i tried to clear myself of these possible scumpairings with VE/KJ. Look at the game previously. I think that my fakeclaim gambit would give you pretty important information towards this end.

Sorry for the rambling. Did what i said make sense?

I'm going to place my vote on either Krazy or Cirno if you approve it, DX.

Klazam · Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:20 am

Krazy- its not me claiming mafia that clears me from being mafia. its how KJ and VE reacted to my fakeclaim that i want you to look at.

KJ- Why? What in that paragraph makes you not want to lynch Krazy?

Klazam · Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:52 am

Honestly- I'd prefer to lynch Krazy over Cirno.

Klazam · Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:27 am

It's because I'm still considering the scumpairing of you/krazy. From my point of view- I see only 2 scumpairs that makes sense: Krazy-Cirno, and Krazy-KJ.

Why you and Krazy?

In post 976, killerjester wrote:Regardless, Reab's real partner needs to shoot Cirno.

You go after Cirno immediately on start of D5, too.

ALSO- after i asked you about krazy, you switch to krazy, but after that post, you back off. This seems like you could be trying to gain town cred from being willing to vote krazy.

(Yea, I'm a really paranoid dude, so sue me.)

Since there's 2 possible pairings that include krazy, I'd prefer to vote Krazy over others.

Klazam · Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:09 pm

Krazy- I cant be scum with cirno, because if i was, Me and cirno would have lynched you. both of us were off the wagon. Krazy-KJ is several orders of magnitude more likely than VE-KJ nokilling.

Klazam · Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:27 am

Will post late tonight.

Klazam · Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:22 pm

I'm pretty much ready to vote Krazy, but i want to hear cirno's answer about why she thinks krazy is fire.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:26 pm

vote: killerjester

I give up trying to analyze this game based on logic. Why killer? Gut, and his reaction to my gambit.

If killer isnt Ice, then good job scum...........

I'm happy to lynch Killerjester. So let's get this over with.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:25 pm

This game is a joke, honestly.

Name several specific reasons why you think i am ice, Krazy.

Killer- If you were just reacting to my gambit, why did you explictly choose to act the part of the two scum team, when it would be obvious that reab's real partner would not have claimed- It'd have been a bad idea.

ALSO- VE, you mentioned that KJ does gambits as a part of his meta, would you point this out, please? LINKS!

I'm really torn between the possiblity of the KJ-VE scumteam, which would make 110% sense and about the nokill, which.... bah.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:19 pm

Killer- Dont answer questions not intended for you.

I still want VE to answer that.

Killer- if i was claiming, chances are that i should be ice scum- which would have me laughing at your idiotic gambit. Instead you choose to disregard the odds and bet that i was actually reab's scummate, which i do not get. Why would i hammer my own scummate and claim?

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:44 pm

Illogic.

If i was Ice, I would have known that you were bullshitting, so i would not have even shot you, which defeats the purpose of your gambit.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:46 pm

The chance of me being ice was sigfigicantly higher than me being fire, so when you claimed ice, you chose the claim with less odds of working, which leads me to believe that you were actually not gambiting.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:34 pm

Yeah, I'm saying that you fell for my gambit and incidentally claimed ice scum.

Are you claiming fire scum? On second thought, why the hell would you claim ice in that situation?

Sadly, no. I'm not fire. Why do you think that if i was, things would make sense?

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:38 pm

Krazy- your post is full of logic, but you're dead set on pairing me and VE... What makes me scummy individually? What you said in the end section is pretty much true. Everyone can be scum with everyone else (other than DX). I do not see how I'm exceptional in that regard.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:40 pm

I do think that VE is scum, though. Fire scum. (Although i'm now full of self-doubt about the possiblity of a KJ-VE scumpair)

VE's play has been amazingly scummy this game.

Klazam · Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:11 pm

The original intent of my gambit was to try and either draw both kills, or to hope to shunt both kills on somebody else, and to protect DX. I was never excepting any scum to respond to my post- and recall that it was a hammer post- which meant i thought kcda would have closed the thread quickly. what i didnt anticipate was for scum to claim and i also didnt anticipate an whole twilight duel (which was fun, though).

The gambit ended up with an side effect of catching scum. Or so i thought.

Both of you(KJ) and Krazy really sound very convincing at times. Cirno-VE anybody? I'm looking at that possibility now.

unvote

I'm going to bed.

Klazam · Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:32 am

Cirno-VE doesnt make sense after all... So one of you two HAS to be ice scum... which one? IF either of you would be willing to confess, it'd make my life easier....

Klazam · Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:49 am

VE- Logic for Krazy please.

Klazam · Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:10 pm

I'm flopping because i dont trust anybody.....

If nothing happens in 2 days, i'll lay down a vote, and it aint budging.

Klazam · Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:22 am

post count? that's easy, there's 1198 posts now.

In other news:

vote Krazy

Krazy-KJ, or Krazy-Cirno, i dont know,but i believe it is krazy who's the scum.

Klazam · Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:25 am

i wouldnt consider voting cirno.

Klazam · Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:14 pm

Why Cirno and not Krazy/KJ/VE/Me? I'm not inclined to vote Cirno, and since I'm not Ice (or Fire either), the only way to get a lynch is with my help too, so I need to know why Cirno is the lynch for today, David.

Klazam · Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:53 pm

Let's see all possible scumpairs:

Klazam-Cirno

Krazy was at L2, no hammer

Klazam-Krazy

Cirno was at L2, no hammer
Klazam-Killerjester

Klazam-VisceraEyes

Krazy was at L2, no hammer
Cirno-Krazy

Cirno-Killerjester

Killer was pushing Cirno's lynch all day
Cirno-VisceraEyes
Krazy-Killerjester

Krazy-VisceraEyes

Cirno was at L2, no hammer, Killer was at L2 and no hammer
Killerjester-VisceraEyes

This leaves us with the following pairs:

Klazam-Killerjester
Cirno-Krazy
Cirno-VisceraEyes
Krazy-Killerjester
Killerjester-VisceraEyes

I'm gonna go ahead and eliminate VE because the "nokill wifom thingy" seems amazingly unlikely to me- leaving us with:

Klazam-Killerjester
Cirno-Krazy
Krazy-Killerjester

As obviously I do not believe that I am scum in any way, shape, or form, so that leaves me with:

Cirno-Krazy
Krazy-Killerjester

Which makes my vote obvious to its reasoning. Krazy is the person who's 100% certain to be scum following my reasoning.

David's vote on Cirno is bad because Cirno is least likely to be scum out of the four of us. If David really thinks Cirno is scum, then he should be voting Krazy, who is the only one Cirno can be scum with. So will you join me in my vote of Krazy, David?

Klazam · Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:52 am

David- we kind of need to work together here. is the things i outlined above unsound?

Klazam · Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:04 am

I just explained why the cirno vote was bad.

Klazam · Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:22 am

Klazam · Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:25 am

So you're saying that the 2 townies actually fakeclaim gambited mafia, huh?

Klazam · Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:29 am

I'll just take my win any way I can.

Klazam · Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:31 am

If krazy kills somebody, I'll give the win to VE. His deal, if he breaks it, he loses.

Klazam · Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:07 am

VOTE: No Lynch
VOTE: Happily Ever After

This is the best town can aspire to.

Klazam · Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:29 pm

KJ and me fakeclaiming mafia was lulzy. the twilight argument was hilarious.

Just glad this is over- dragged on for too long. I'm never playing another F&I mafia game again.