Mini 327 - Star Trek Mafia. Game Over.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Original Roll String: 1d11

1 11-Sided Dice: (8) = 8

[Mastermind of Sin]

vote: zindaras

[Mastermind of Sin]

no, for 2 reasons.

a) you just spammed 3 really long useless posts that take up a lot of space in the thread

b) there is no one named Mlack playing in this game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh I missed out the ER so

vote: mlack

er

STILL ALIVE AND KICKING

logicticus
Shamrock
Karn1
mlaker
Max
Cogito Ergo Sum
Zindaras
Leonidas
BrizzyBoi
Mastermind of Sin
DrippingGoofball

IN SOME HORRIBLE SORT OF PERIL

Thesp -

innocent

Do you see someone named mlacker on this list?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow this got way off topic real quick.

I never watched TOS, so I plead ignorance on the picture.

TOS?

[Mastermind of Sin]

and you are doing what exactly to help us any more than CES is?

[Mastermind of Sin]

...

[Mastermind of Sin]

LoL

[Mastermind of Sin]

unvote, vote: DrippingGoofball

[Mastermind of Sin]

BrizzyBoi, aka Deanna Troi, please don't give your result immediately! It's best to put pressure on a few players before you announce your investigation. If we look at yesterday, though we did get scum, it was sorta wasted because we didn't acquire additional information to help us find scum. Let's be wiser today.

Now... who voted for logic? BrizzyBoi, Zindaras, Karn1, DrippingGoofball, and mlaker. We can be fairly certain that BrizzyBoi and Zindaras are Town. Karn WAS Town. I am Town (draw your own conclusions), mlaker hammered when it was obvious logic had nowhere to run.

Who did not vote for logicticus? Shamrock, Leonidas, Mastermind of Sin.

So I am going to look at logic (dead), mlaker, Shamrock, Leonidas and MoS.

logicticus

does not vote

mlaker

votes CES(T)

Shamrock

votes Max(T)

Leonidas

votes Max(T)

MoS

votes Zindaras(T)

Of these, Shamrock and Leonidas were on the Max lynch. Neither voted for logicticus.

I will vote for the lurkermost player of the two:

vote: Leonidas

how does voting or not voting for logicticus mean anything? he was quicklynched; the day began and ended before I even had a chance to check the thread again. I wouldn't be surprised of others had the same thing happen.

FoS: DrippingGoofball

for trying to create suspicion using faulty reasoning.

[Mastermind of Sin]

DG, I just don't have time to go indepth into stuff atm. I merely noticed your post as I was skimming the thread. So yes, I am not actively searching for scum at this time. I'm not actively doing

anything

, since I haven't been feeling all that well, lately. Perhaps later this week I can be more productive.

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol, I hate to be unhelpful at this point, but I pretty much agree with your last set of reasoning. I am equally suspicious of leo and sham, but I'm gonna be gone for the weekend so no vote yet.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Shamrock I believe to be scum. His last post is, for me a least, quite clear, and the previous ones were noteworthy too.

this is a very noncommital post that tells us NOTHING whatsoever about leonidas' reasons for voting shamrock. It's just yet another copout post without any real substance on the matters he claims to address.

vote: Leonidas

[Mastermind of Sin]

Best guess for remaining scums: Shamrock + MoS.

I don't intend to claim, btw.

wow, impressive...call out two of the people voting you as scum without even bothering to address their reasons for voting you, giving the impression that they are in fact correct in their reasoning, since you don't have any sort of response to it. Then, saying you won't claim, but not even giving a reason for that, either. That's a great way to make us think you aren't scum...

[Mastermind of Sin]

MoS, MoS...

Why should I answer Shamrock's "accusation" when I said over and over that I believe him to be scum?

Why shouldn't you? It doesn't make you look better in anyone else's eyes. As far as it looks from here, Shamrock's accusations could be perfectly valid, and you're just hiding behind your vote against him to avoid answering them...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Short study on scummitude, with MoS showing us how it's done.

Then, saying you won't claim, but not even giving a reason for that, either.

Townies are not over-eager to claim, in general. Or to rephrase: it is not in the town's best interest to have townies claim. You should know that - if you're town, that is.

When we have 7 alive and 5 active, and 3 of those 5 are voting you, putting you 1 away from lynch, it certainly IS in the town's best interest to have you claim, whether you are scum or not. Only scum would be stubborn enough to try stalling a claim at that point.

That's a great way to make

us

think you aren't scum...

That sentence alone would get my vote, were it not invested on a high-return low-risk mafioso candidate already.

...yeah...us...the town has more than one person, you know. You're just trying to fabricate scumminess out of nowhere. That just cements my vote in place.

[Mastermind of Sin]

As far as it looks from here, Shamrock's accusations could be perfectly valid, and you're just hiding behind your vote against him to avoid answering them...

I marvel at your blind support for Shamrock. I also like it that you would be weighing the validity of his "accusations" - his posts have been weak to say the least - he went as far as to

agree

with both Drippin and me, only to call us both

scummy

. Very respectable construct of the mind indeed.

I never said I supported his reasoning. I'm saying that as far as anyone else is concerned, they COULD be logical, because all you've said is very generic arguments like calling them "weak" or illogical, without actually pointing out a specific example. If you would take the time to back up your accusations with real examples and reasoning, maybe you wouldn't have gotten to 3 votes in the first place, or at least they certainly wouldn't have stayed very long.

Re: hiding behind my vote? Shamrock's inconsistent posts earned him my vote a long time before he used more inconsistencies to vote me. Wow, we're talking major hiding... But your partiality is noted, and delights me.

When your vote was placed has nothing to do with the fact that you are

citing your vote as an excuse to not answer his posts against you

.

When we have 7 alive and 5 active, and 3 of those 5 are voting you, putting you 1 away from lynch, it certainly IS in the town's best interest to have you claim, whether you are scum or not.

When we have 7 alive and 5 active (not including the cop), there is an overwhelming probability that the remaining scumbags are active (let's say two). In this context, if a bandwagon reaches size 3 fast, with only unclaimed roles on the bandwagon, it is very likely that the bandwagonee is innocent.

It's also equally likely that you have been acting very scummy and earned three votes on your own. No one here is stupid enough to just

assume

that you are innocent just because you acted scummy enough to gain 3 votes. You've got to prove it to the town just like the rest of us, first off by defending yourself, among other things.

Only scum would be stubborn enough to try stalling a claim at that point.

Interesing wording... In this game, dead roles are not revealed. Therefore, scums have a lower probability of collision for any given claim. Why would scums stall a claim? They are incentivized to claim. Also, townies have an incentive not to really believe the claims -

"maybe the guy claiming Picard is telling the truth, but then again, maybe Picard is already dead...."

Overall? a townie who claims gives a lot of info to scums, and leaves the town almost indifferent.

Didn't you feel the need to ponder those elements over the course of the game?

Now we're just getting into a WIFOM argument. Scum could just as easily balk at claiming in the hope to avoid claiming someone who

hadn't

died by accident, then say that it was the obvious play for a townie to do. You certainly wouldn't expect us to believe you to be innocent just because of WIFOM games, would you?

[Mastermind of Sin]

So that means it's either Me, Shamrock, or mlaker as scum. Well, two of us are scum. Obviously, that means that i'm willing to vote Shamrock or mlaker, either one, since I know they are scum. If I don't find time during MeMeMeet, I'll try to put up some sort of post analysis this coming week.