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Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:21 am

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I'm wondering who here plays? Is there interest/enough players from MS to get a MS clan going?

My name is Sheastrausman.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:33 am

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Yes. Just like playing magic in real life, you have to buy the cards.

Also, the account costs 10$ iirc but they give you like 2 event tickets (which are used as currency, so thats pretty much like getting 2$ right back) and a pack which is like 3 or 4$. So the start up cost isnt that steep. I would suggest you learn how to play magic in real life though before you try to play it/invest money into it online.
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Post Post #4 (isolation #2) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:33 pm

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all your lorwyn rares are probably worth a crap ton now. :-p
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Post Post #7 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:18 pm

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no really, cryptic command is like 15-20 tickets.
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Post Post #8 (isolation #4) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:19 pm

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thanks to the new Modern Format. :)
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Post Post #13 (isolation #5) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:48 pm

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In post 9, chesskid3 wrote:
In post 5, chesskid3 wrote:whats wrong with magic workstation?

is free....


The competition on MWS is just depressingly bad. Online offers prize supported tournaments, online PTQs, Drafts (with prize support), which is something that MWS STILL has not figured out how to do properly.

There are a ton of reasons.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:10 pm

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Not really. I have literally a fuck ton of commons/uncommons that I would be willing to give away for free though, that I've gotten through drafting.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:42 am

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thats a great video.

Also, we've all played with that guy. :(
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Post Post #27 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:11 pm

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I mean, I think that card would almost certainly be red.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:32 am

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I don't know of any non-red cards, after the advent of the modern color pie, that utilize dice and coins to simulate random effects.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #10) » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:31 am

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I feel like, from my western centric point of view, the guy in kenya is the guy with the weird time zone.

I would like to talk to you about modern sometime.
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Post Post #55 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:10 pm

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you probably need help with what is known as your "mana curve."

It's an idea that was pioneered by a deck called sligh. The general idea is that in an aggressive deck you want to be using all your mana every turn, so you should construct your deck to be able to do that.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:21 pm

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Post Post #58 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:02 am

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The cube drafts have already started firing...
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Post Post #61 (isolation #14) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:23 am

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I don't play much standard, but I like messing around with a URx burning vengeance deck in standard would be fun.
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Post Post #63 (isolation #15) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:16 pm

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So what you're saying is its actually the most boring least interactive deck in the format?
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Post Post #70 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:57 pm

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reck, you are falling for one of the most common pitfalls of newer players. Thinking a card is excellent just because it is incredibly powerful, The angel is good, and will probably see a little bit of play in some very heavy control builds as a finisher, but generally you're going to die before you ever have a chance to cast it.

Most constructed magic games just dont last that long, and if they do, then the angel is redundant, because the control deck is already winning the game.

What would you say if I told you this card is actually a much better card than the angel?

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Post Post #72 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:02 pm

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hahahahahaahhaha ninja'd

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Post Post #74 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:29 pm

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Yeah, I mean. Nowhere near as cool as this one:

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Even that card didn't see heavy play except in decks that tried to cheat it out (like the tooth and nail deck I was talking to you about last night.) because it is so prohibitively expensive to cast. (and its easier because its less mana and colorless at that.)
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Post Post #76 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:43 pm

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we need to stop using coolstuffinc images...
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Post Post #90 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:20 pm

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Reck, they're trying to explain this to you and I think its going over your head because you don't have basics they're taking for granted.

Magic play is divided up into two types of play: Limited and constructed. Limited is split into draft and sealed, which we talked about the other night, and the now defunct rochester draft (which was awesome) Constructed is split into different formats based off of what cards are legal. In standard the last 2 blocks are legal in addition to the latest core set. In this instance, M12.

Legacy, extended, vintage, modern, block, pauper, etc, are all different kinds of constructed formats. The only difference between them being the cards that are legal (based on what kinds of sets are allowed, what cards are banned, or, in paupers case, the rarity of the cards.)
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Post Post #94 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:40 pm

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netdraft? Is that shit still in existence?
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Post Post #112 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:16 pm

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I think something like this needs to be planned out better, reck, and probably more in advance. Though anyone interested is welcome to try to come to scumchat right now and organize it.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #23) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:20 am

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In post 123, bv310 wrote:
Fliers
in general are always strong in draft

Evasion.

Thinks like sorin/liliana/garruk should almost always make your deck. You winmill slam them anyway for the money (or, at least I do) but you can almost always fine room in your deck for a card with that kind of power level.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:56 am

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meebo works, but you need to get someone to invite you iirc.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:36 pm

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haha, shit like that.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #26) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:21 pm

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Blue white spirits is hella good in this format.

Also, honestly, I think huntsmaster is a very overrated card. I'll bet you can find 4 cards for that slot that are way less expensive and are equally if not more powerful.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:37 pm

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In post 144, Sudo_Nym wrote:Orzhov owns. Literally.


heh.

SUDO. Play in the chess tournament!
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Post Post #147 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:38 pm

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Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the best standard deck based around gruul?
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Post Post #155 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:57 pm

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I'm not good enough. I win the occasional 8-4 and then glut on the free drafts for a while but then have to go back to paying. playswithsquirrels, who used to be on this site did for a while.

I'm actually just not a particularly good magic player.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #30) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:21 pm

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Solar flare was good, but that was slightly after gruul was good, planar chaos. Also, solar flare wasn't a guild deck so much as it was a UBW aggro-control deck straight up.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:42 pm

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In post 169, Haze wrote:THe new MtG mechanics just get weirder and weirder.

& Thanks BV it's mainly the lastest block (IE Innistrad cycle) that I don't know about.

And all their new keywords. Also is it just me or is there a massive powercreep going on recently?


I'm pretty sure they're running out of design space, and they know it.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:04 pm

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I think its a fringe-y keyword that people like you will think is awesome and will therefore complain about when it doesn't work as well as they expected. I am reminded of the card browbeat. When it first came out everyone was scrambling to add 4 to any deck they had that contained red, but the problem was it does exactly what you don't want like 90% of the time. You were almost always better up with a straight up burn spell in the slot. These cards seem similar in the sense that people think they're going to work awesome, but they forget that they're going to be playing them as ridiculously overcosted spells probably most of the time.

Shrug.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:07 pm

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the best standard fit I can see, as we were talking about in scumchat the other night, is in a UR delver build. The burn miracle spell would be pretty tech with ponder and delver.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:18 pm

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Or, you know, you could just play traditional control elements, take control of the board, cast your big endgame threats and win.

Seems like a much better way to use those cards to me.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:23 pm

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I dont disagree with anything you just said.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:24 pm

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Nope.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:25 pm

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I'll avatar bet you that such a deck does not win a major event in this standard season.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:42 pm

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I'll even include SCG in there.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:42 pm

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And raffinity wasn't fully developed by the time that was help. People were still fucking playing broodstar. heh.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:04 pm

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In post 191, GreyICE wrote:Sure, but it also ran skullclamp. And skullclamp, my friend? It covers a glorious multitude of sins.

I'll wait for the rest of the miracle cards to be spoiled, but right now I'd almost be willing to skew Snapcaster to include them, and that's without seeing more than 3.

The major problem I have is that right now Delver is just so insane, and it's so hard to challenge. Although delver will almost certainly use the time walk one.


Skullclamp was in everything, though. Hell, TOOTH AND NAIL was playing skullclamp.

God, that was such an unfun format.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:19 pm

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GreyIce DOES realize that timewalkish effects have been printed before, right?
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Post Post #215 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:12 pm

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uhhhh. No. This card is prohibitively expensive, and you are a noob if you think that its worth building around.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:41 pm

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And yet you weren't willing to avatar bet around it. Huh.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:19 am

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grey, no patriarch's bidding?
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Post Post #230 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:14 am

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yeah, only inferior to goblin bidding because you don't haste. Though, I can't think of it, but isn't there a zombie "sacrifice a creature: target player loses 1 life?

That would make bidding the GG turn,
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Post Post #232 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:56 am

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yeah, that seems less than ideal.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:51 am

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Before GreyICE wets himself, no, you're wrong: Vexing Devil is a bad card and won't see that much play.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:57 am

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ITT Greyice and I agree on something and the world ends.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:03 am

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Greyice, he's talking about the lavaspike.dec, the legacy deck that basically runs 15 lands and 45 burn spells. That deck does not run jackel pup, and neither does the legacy red deck win deck, for that matter...

Do you even play legacy?
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Post Post #244 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:50 am

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In post 241, GreyICE wrote:Oh, so you think it's good in that deck, TSQ?

I haven't played legacy in ages. Still have a high tide deck, but I can't afford the dual lands, and without them the format kinda boils down to gobbos and not much else.

Goblins isn't a very good legacy deck anymore.

And it's as good in that deck as any other burn spell. Like, its a fringy deck, but this card is clearly playable in it. Probably cut the riftbolts or something for it.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:01 pm

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I think lightning bolt reprint was a mistake in the first place, so I'm not too sad about it.

But I also don't get the connection.
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Post Post #249 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:11 pm

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I mean, game one you're taking a chance that they don't have STP, but I think the pay off is good enough, game 2-3 they probably side out stp since you literally only have one target. Also, I don't know what the number of decks that MD STP is anymore, but I suspect its not that high.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:20 pm

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They should just get it over with and reprint counterspell.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:13 pm

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Now theres a good limited card.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:19 pm

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A 1/1 for 2 with deathtouch that gives another creature deathtouch. You don't think thats good? Do you even play limited. I didn't say it's a bomb, but its very very playable.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:43 pm

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Because typhoid rats is never played.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:21 pm

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No one said it was a limited bomb....

It's clearly better than an 8th pick, though...
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Post Post #293 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:37 pm

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In post 289, InflatablePie wrote:
In post 275, Thestatusquo wrote:Because typhoid rats is never played.


I use them. :<


yes, I was being sarcastic.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:43 pm

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Mine was called 4th edition. What's your point? Many pro's didn't start playing until 1-2 years before they started winning...
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Post Post #306 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:30 pm

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(1:25:46 AM) Sudo: AND THE LORD GOD SAID "LET THERE BE LIGHT, BECAUSE I CAN'T READ THIS CARD GREYICE JUST PLAYED" AND, LO, THERE WAS LIGHT, AND IT WAS GOOD
(1:26:15 AM) Sudo: AND GREYICE TAPPED 4 MANA, AND SUMMONED THE BEASTS OF THE FIELDS, AND THE BIRDS OF THE AIR, AND THE FISH OF THE SEA
(1:26:26 AM) Sudo: AND GOD TAPPED TWO ISLANDS AND PLAYED COUNTERSPELL ON THAT
(1:26:42 AM) Shea: you know, I think I remember that chapter
(1:26:42 AM) Sudo: AND GREYICE SAID "COME ON, THAT ISN'T STANDARD LEGAL."
(1:27:09 AM) Sudo: AND GOD SAID "I THOUGHT WE WERE PLAYING LEGACY."
(1:27:26 AM) Sudo: AND GREYICE SAID "I WAS NICE ABOUT THE BRAINSTORM, BUT COME ON."
(1:27:50 AM) Sudo: AND SO GREYICE PLAYED DAY OF JUDGEMENT.
(1:27:56 AM) Sudo: BUT GOD HAD THE FORCE OF WILL
(1:28:09 AM) Sudo: I feel like I've written myself into a corner, here.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #61) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:02 pm

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be faster than he is? Rip his cards up?
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Post Post #361 (isolation #62) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:27 am

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posters in this thread might be interested in this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3970001
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Post Post #364 (isolation #63) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:49 am

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In post 362, bv310 wrote:
In post 358, Sudo_Nym wrote:Just got MTGO back. I'm Sudo_Nym on there. Building $30 werewolves.

I built 7 ticket werewolves to go alongside 11 ticket UG Dredge. No Huntmasters, but besides that it's awesome.

Is that even playable?
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Post Post #366 (isolation #64) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:01 pm

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If I have managed to teach you anything about drafting, I hope it is that going into a draft with preconceived notions about which direction you are going to go is a bad idea. First couple of picks you try to pick the best card available, send good signals, and read the cards you're seeing to determine what of your options is open, then you do that.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #65) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:28 pm

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Watch mana curve- bigger cast costs are ok in limited since its a slower format generally

No offense, but this sentence is all kinds of stupid.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #66) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:40 pm

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I mean, the point of curve is that you want to minimize your bigger casting costs. Especially in this format, where a curve topping out with maybe 2 5 drops or so is probably ideal, with most of your meat at the 2-3 slot.
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Post Post #373 (isolation #67) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:24 pm

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I find that magic and drinking doesn't work out well for me, but that could just be a personal thing.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #68) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:30 pm

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I mean, that's true...To a certain extent...Depending on the format.

But your deck wont lose to that so long as you have removal, evasion, or both, even in such formats. You should have one or two huge beaters, sure, but to say "don't worry about a card being slow." is just not correct like 90% of the time (the other 10% being OLS limited.) If you had tried that in m12 you would have been rolled every round. Hell, this current format is fast as heck too. I'd say you can build a very solid deck without any drops above 4 at all, and I would be very hesitant to play any more more than 3-4 of them at the most in my deck unless they were all absolute bombs. I think this is most often the case.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #69) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:44 am

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moon heron is a worse card than the card you dismissed earlier. 100%
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Post Post #392 (isolation #70) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:26 pm

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Who won?
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Post Post #394 (isolation #71) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:28 pm

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ew
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Post Post #396 (isolation #72) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:30 pm

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wait, but if you beat reck does that mean you win them both? Could get interesting.

Also, saw CPEs deck. It's good. I'd be surprised if he doesn't 3-0 this thing.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #73) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:09 pm

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Just because you change the group of people you're abusive to it will not change their reaction to you, bro.

Sorry.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:44 pm

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well, uh... 8th edition was a LONG time ago...
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Post Post #414 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:59 pm

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If he was a casual player, probably not. Most casual players didn't know what "damage on the stack" meant in the first place, which is kinda why those assholes changed the rules.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #76) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:54 pm

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Was missing sakura tribe elder tonight, myself.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #77) » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:23 am

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I wish I had the money for it. Ho Well.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #78) » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:33 am

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I feel like I would have called a judge for sure. I don't know what the ruling should be, but I know that one of the things you need to get used to as a newer player is getting comfortable with calling judges and your opponents calling judges. It's not something that is a bad thing, they're people there to make sure that everything happens incorrectly. If you're even a little bit unsure of something you should call a judge.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #79) » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:18 am

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Yeah, but theres no better feeling in magic than calling a judge on a dick...Unless the dick happens to be right in which case... womp womp.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #80) » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:23 am

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I am tempted to say I think sens is right. Wait for greyice or chamber to get in here though.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #81) » Fri May 04, 2012 6:31 am

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http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... in-legacy/

thoughts on this deck? I think the blue miracle finds a nice home here.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #82) » Fri May 04, 2012 7:28 am

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though combo in legacy is just meh right now.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #83) » Fri May 04, 2012 8:51 am

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You got some good stuff. Sell/trade them now before they all plummet like stones, especially vexing devil
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Post Post #463 (isolation #84) » Fri May 04, 2012 5:56 pm

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Tendrils and dredge are not tier one. Sneak attack really isnt even that close to tier one, imo...

Tier one is pretty much the three he mentioned, esper blade, RUG and Maverick.

Obviously other decks come out of nowhere and steal a tournament where sideboards are not designed for them (dredge is particularly good at doing this) but over all, the legacy meta is as constricted as I think I have ever seen it. That's a pretty big shame, imo.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #85) » Sun May 06, 2012 7:37 am

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i think that might be an awful idea. :)
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Post Post #475 (isolation #86) » Tue May 08, 2012 5:39 pm

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elves isnt a thing. anyone who thinks it is a thing is wrong and probably bad at magic.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #87) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:58 pm

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everyone knew that as soon as you said "sneak and tell" was tier one.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #88) » Wed May 09, 2012 5:18 pm

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You need a new MTG source.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #89) » Sun May 13, 2012 4:47 pm

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Considering the fact that that is the deck list that just won the pro tour, I think you are indeed missing something.

The decks game plan is to stall until it can take over the game with absurdly powerful spells, and the miracle action gives it a solid early game offensive as well. All it needs to do is resolve one of its entreats, and with its board control its probably gg.

Furthermore, when you miracle something, it allows you to ignore timing rules, meaning you can cast it when your opponents tap out by think twicing or thought scouring into it.

Also, the only viable counterspell in that format is dissipate anyway.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #90) » Sun May 13, 2012 4:59 pm

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Interestingly enough, I think this and the japanese reanimator decks are the only decks in the format that DONT look boring.

Shrug.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #91) » Tue May 22, 2012 11:03 am

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It's block. You remember other things that were good in block?
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Post Post #503 (isolation #92) » Tue May 22, 2012 12:17 pm

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Oh, yeah, your logic is flawless. "These powerful cards that are clearly good in any format were good in block, this is good in block, therefore this is good." :roll:

Unfortunately, the reverse is my point. There are so many cards that were powerhouses in block that didn't even get a whiff in other formats.

I still maintain that bonfire of the damned and entreat will be the only miracle cards that see serious constructed play. Maybe terminus, but there are just way better options in the wrath catagory (and I suspect always will be, outside of such a limited format like block) Temporal mastery showed up as a bit player in one control deck (hey, remember that time you said it would be the center of a combo deck, pretty much the opposite of what happened?) that happened to do well at one tournament in a very very limited format. Get your knickers untwisted, please.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #93) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:36 pm

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Good job ignoring everything I said besides the one parenthetical aside which was not even really related to my point.

And it's almost as if you STARTED this argument. Oh wait, it's not as if at all. You DID start this argument.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #94) » Thu May 24, 2012 7:15 pm

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http://www.channelfireball.com/video-ar ... -fireball/

go here, search "boros" for a decent idea of how RW is being played in the format currently.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #95) » Wed May 30, 2012 12:43 pm

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No, as soon as you sacrifice it, then its all gone. In this case, the sacrifice is the activation cost for the ability. That is, in order for the activity to happen, the cost has to be paid.
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Post Post #524 (isolation #96) » Wed May 30, 2012 12:55 pm

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Yes, though a creature can only have one instance of lifelink.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #97) » Thu May 31, 2012 5:52 am

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Bone splinters is pretty pimp with creatures with undying.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:07 am

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Things that I learned in my mtgo draft last night: It is a good idea to crack two wolfir silverheart.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:59 am

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Drew the finals for 14 packs in 2 drafts. On a roll.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #100) » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:21 pm

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I mean... Zombies just isnt a good deck right now in any incarnation. For pod, you really want to be in some combination of RWG.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #101) » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:36 pm

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Like... No it does not "stomp delver." If it beat delver consistently like 35-40% of the meta would be playing it. A similar thing happened recently with the mono green deck. And RG aggro and tokens aren't really decks.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #102) » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:00 pm

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dude, what the fuck meta do you play in? And you realize delver plays white, right?
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Post Post #601 (isolation #103) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:35 pm

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Depends on the set and the store.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #104) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:19 pm

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In post 605, AGar wrote:Drafting Unhinged/Unglued would be hilarious.


I've done it. It doesnt end up being as fun as you think its gunna be.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #105) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:33 pm

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23 lands seems like way too few for that deck.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #106) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:54 am

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Yes.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #107) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:26 am

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In post 624, hasdgfas wrote:So, is the title supposed to have a typo?


I originally had the title without the :, which caused tierce to twitch in a way that I found adorable, so I changed it to something even more twitch inducing.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #108) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:09 pm

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me and bv and agar are drafting in a little bit. Anyone interested in drafting on mtgo with us should join scumchat so we can coordinate queue joining.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #109) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:17 pm

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BV beats agar rd 1. Shea 2-0s some dbag who wouldn't concede and played it out to the point of tapping all his mana in response to my lethal attack to make me think he was going to do something. Just concede and move on, bro.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:37 pm

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Shea moves on to the finals because he peeled his angelic wall and one of their dudes, the guy replayed it and another dude, then shea savagely ripped terminus off the top.

Also, cathars crusade is a big game.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #111) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:43 pm

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me and bv in the finals. We're gunna play it out for funsies then split the prizes.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #112) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:05 pm

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BV wins 2-0. His deck was sweet. My deck was sweet. I never saw my sixth land for terminus game one and in game 2? Well... Wolfir Silverheart. Nuff said.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #113) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:33 pm

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me and agar are going again.

Bv is a wuss and has work.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #114) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:49 pm

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Into the finals of this one. Sweet little GW deck. I got a third pick cathars crusade pack 1 in this draft. WTF. What cards are they taking over it?
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Post Post #644 (isolation #115) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:51 pm

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Also, I have pulled two games out of my ass by hitting my 8th land and windmill slamming Crater Behemoth for the winz.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #116) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:36 am

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Just won another 8-4 (thats 2 8-4s split and 1 8-4 won outright tonight) with a deck that I, frankly, thought was pretty janky. But, I guess thats the power of actually having a curve that includes solid 2 drops in a format where everyones loading up on 4-5-6.
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Post Post #659 (isolation #117) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:03 am

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Exalted and homicidal seclusion is kind of what we would call a "non-bo."
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Post Post #662 (isolation #118) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:02 am

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sweet. You just missed me. I'm going to go to dinner with friends at 6 or so, but if you wanna draft after I get back from that I'd probably be down.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #119) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:03 am

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6 my time, I should add.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #120) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:10 am

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Sweet. I got like 10 packs chillin here, so whenever man.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #121) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:53 pm

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Yugioh is just a really poorly designed card game, unfortunately.

In terms of simply designed, intuitive card games that play just as they are intended and still manage to be pretty strategically interesting, I would suggest pokemon.
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Post Post #673 (isolation #122) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:49 pm

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how the hell does one make combo work in edh? Redundancy??? NAH.
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Post Post #676 (isolation #123) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:06 pm

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Drafted this spicy little number. Wish me luck.

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Post Post #678 (isolation #124) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:16 pm

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Tell that to the 10 packs and the 8 drafts I've freerolled the last 2 days from mainly drafting GW.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #125) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:43 am

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its a gift for the 10th aniversary of online magic. everyone got one depending on how long their account's been active.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #126) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:02 am

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yeah. cathars crusade and thatchers revolt is p-much gg in the red white human deck.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #127) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:14 pm

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This might be the most insane draft deck I have ever built. I ended up cutting one of the stromkirks for a somberwald vigilante.
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Post Post #692 (isolation #128) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:36 pm

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In the finals. Though did get a little lucky rd 2 when the guy f6d his first two turns. I dont even know how thats possible.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #129) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:19 pm

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I crushed in the finals. I would have been extremely upset if this deck lost due to bad luck. Guy offered me a chop but I turned it down. This deck was just too good.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #130) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:29 pm

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In general the power of plainswalkers is high. But, as with all card types, it varies. Some of them are the stone cold nuts, some of them are meh.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #131) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:38 pm

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yep. you think you're making fun of me, but thats totally what I meant. Also, reasonably sure I have like 10 graceful antelopes back home. heh.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #132) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:55 pm

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I agree with bv here. The reason is card advantage. Part of the reason planeswalkers are good is because they do something good and then stay in play. Its a 0 for something. Even bad planeswalkers have this quality.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #133) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:08 pm

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Me and UT doing it up. As you can see my deck is the nuts.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #134) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:43 pm

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Match one I won game 1 and 3 esily because my deck was clearly better, but this shows you how this format plays out sometimes. Game 2 he is at 1 life, I'm going to be able to swing for lethal. He rips banishing stroke off the top then he rips spirit away off the top then he rips entreat the angels off the top. LOL. This format.
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Post Post #707 (isolation #135) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:13 pm

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Me and UT in the finals. We're gunna split and play it out for funsies.

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Post Post #709 (isolation #136) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:02 pm

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UT takes it down. Fun match in the finals. My deck was better all around, but his deck had the removal and the bombs, so it was a fun match.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #137) » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:14 pm

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heh, I hear thats just as good!
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Post Post #718 (isolation #138) » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:28 pm

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Won another 8-4 tonight to officially raise my rating on mtgo over 1700 for the first time since I started drafting online a couple months ago. I'm super stoked about that.

Also, I am kinda in the process of going infinite. I've done 10 drafts in the last week or so and haven't paid for a damn one of them, and I still have 12 packs and 8 tix chillin' in my account.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #139) » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:16 pm

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UT and Shea too stronk.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #140) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:37 am

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Reck I've asked you to draft with us like 4 times. Each time you've been like "oh I'm doing lame things instead." So fuck off, bitch.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #141) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:12 am

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going to a baseball game. Maybe down when I get back.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #142) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:18 pm

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Gotta make the paper to draft later.
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Post Post #737 (isolation #143) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:37 pm

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UT and I just lost rd 1.

That was frustrating.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #144) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:57 am

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I think buying boxes is meh. Mythic rares have fucked the magic economy. Used to be you would be able to buy a box and have reasonable expectation of pulling your money back out of it. Now, I would be much more inclined to buy singles for a specific deck if I were to spend any money on cards. Or draft.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #145) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:52 am

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isnt that kind of what I was saying? That, and also that mythics have sucked the money out of rares.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #146) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:35 am

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magic online? No. but the cards are. Magic online is not like a video game at all. It mirrors real life paper magic in that you buy all the cards.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #147) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:51 am

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all the cards in the economy come from people opening digital packs, so there arent really "unlimited copies" per se. Though, you are right that prices are generally lower on mtgo then in real life for the simple fact that people always have every card they open sorted for them. No one ever loses anything. This is especially true for commons uncommons which are essentially worth dirt on mtgo.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #148) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:53 am

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man. I would have to spend money. On magic. Do I want to do that?

Probably. :(
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Post Post #761 (isolation #149) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:05 pm

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Fuck yeah. Team MS taking over the queue.

Watch us all lose first rd.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #150) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:21 pm

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9 CT? I could probably be down.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #151) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:10 pm

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heh.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #152) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:32 pm

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cardshark.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #153) » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:17 am

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Agar, the benefits of clans are pretty much what we already do to a small extent: Card sharing, strategy talk, socialization. That sort of thing. It might be cool to do, but none of us really plays constructed, so the card sharing thing isnt a big deal.
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Post Post #792 (isolation #154) » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:30 pm

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:) <3 UT.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #155) » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:17 am

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I mean, youre playing a lot of crappy cards. Midnight dualist, commanders authority, banners raised. Vigilante justice is underwelming imo and goldnight redeemer doesnt seem to fit into your deck that well.

Your curve isnt even that aggressive, as you only have 3 2 drops. I would be surprised if this deck won.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #156) » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:38 am

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Its an ok 23rd card, but thats all it is. You're never happy to have to play them, and you're certainly miserable to play 3. It's just not a high impact card, ever.
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Post Post #824 (isolation #157) » Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:46 am

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I quite enjoy the swamp one.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #158) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:30 am

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I'm doing one right now. /out for later.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #159) » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:00 pm

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its not hard to imagine passing avacyn... You make it sound like it should never be done, but I think it should be done like at least half the time.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #160) » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:29 pm

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Post Post #856 (isolation #161) » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:30 pm

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oh uh... Wrong pic.

That ones pretty cool though

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This deck. P good.
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Post Post #869 (isolation #162) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:26 pm

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Nice deck, though I would sooner play just about anything over vexing devill, and I'm not sure how good fleeting distraction is in this list.
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Post Post #871 (isolation #163) » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:05 pm

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That doesnt look very good...
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Post Post #875 (isolation #164) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:30 am

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In post 873, chesskid3 wrote:I did a few trades ditched a lot of the blue so it's now a splash, threw in a stonerwight, havengul vampire, thunderboltx2 (debating baners instead of another thunderbolt)
and yeah fleeting wa sa 40th card

and vexing is basically just 4 burn for 1 mana. Which isn't bad at all, just isn't great.


Except its not. If at any point in the game you need that 4 points of damage, then it becomes a completely useless creature that does literally nothing. Its basically a card that does exactly what you dont want it to do 100% of the time.
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Post Post #877 (isolation #165) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:54 am

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On turn 9 when they have lethal coming at you in the air? Yes. Absolutely.
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Post Post #881 (isolation #166) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:54 am

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You giving me one? It would make a good birthday present. :-p
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Post Post #883 (isolation #167) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:23 am

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Falkenwrath aristocrat. That card just ends the game like 90% of the time it hits the table.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #168) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:25 am

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Is this online or irl?

Its like 5 irl 2 online.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #169) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:31 am

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uhhh... Those prices cant be right.
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Post Post #888 (isolation #170) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:33 am

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Wow. I wonder why those specific cards are so much more online than in real life...
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Post Post #895 (isolation #171) » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:19 pm

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I think the build is mostly right. Can't say the pick order was without saying it. I would play the 1/1 green dude over scroll because your soulbond count is a little low to support lumberknot.
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Post Post #898 (isolation #172) » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:43 am

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I mean, that just means you got lucky. In general you want 6 or so ways to do any sort of gimmick, soulbond necessary guys being no exception.
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Post Post #903 (isolation #173) » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:52 am

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I think you'd probably be better served only running one of each reanimation target (or picking 2 and cutting down to just four total reanimation slots.) so you can run some more defensive spells. I'd consider timely reinforcements.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #174) » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:41 am

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Fair, but the suggestion still stands, if maybe not that specific card. With mulch and draw the number of reanimation targets you have are excessive and I think will generally cause you to draw too many of them over the course of the game (read: 2.) Your deck really should be winning with one target on the field, so you need to play D and dig until you can drop your game changer, and I think having more defensive spells with win you more games than the extra reanimation targets, but what do I know.

Its obviously ultimately your call.
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Post Post #920 (isolation #175) » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:58 am

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Skaab seems so mediocre.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #176) » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:05 pm

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yeah that deck is nutso.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #177) » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:54 pm

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Shea over UT in round 2.

I always hate beating MS members, but when 3 of you make rd 2, its a necessary evil.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #178) » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:14 pm

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I'm reasonably sure they're going to manage to future site the crap out of RtR and make it terrible. Iunno. I cant forsee it being as good, since they'll be trying to force it. I'm keeping my hopes decidedly low.
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Post Post #951 (isolation #179) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:31 am

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In post 945, Shadow1psc wrote:Opinions on mono-blue mill post-SoM?

Running stuff like Jace's Phantasmal, Jace (Adept), Mind Sculpt, Dream Twist, Bloody Tome, and shriekgeist. Elixir for obvious utility, I figure Dissipate isn't too slow for this deck so missing mana leak doesn't hurt as much. There's that bounce spell for 1 in the ISD block, name escapes me. It's not exactly vapor snag, but it'll do. Thoughts?


Mill is literally never viable. Like..They print cards for it fairly regularly, and its never really high tier. I don't think these cards are any better than, say, brainfreeze et al, or the merfolk milling option that was in lorwyn, and those decks weren't good.

Furthermore, I don't think the meta is conducive to this sort of strategy. While you're durdling about Delver is just going to be killing you. Wolf Run is just going to be killing you. Zombies is just going to be killing you. In order to beat these matches you need to be playing all sorts of tempo cards yourself, and in which case why aren't you just playing that deck in the first place.

there's not even what I would call a pure control deck that's popular right now which would be your good matchup. The closest is Delverless Delver, and they run the tempo cards that are going to kill you anyway.

Shrug. I think you can build it. I dont think it'll be any good.
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Post Post #953 (isolation #180) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:38 am

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Well, sure. If you just want a crazy deck to run in standard thats fine. Don't expect it to be particularly good. If you're looking for something fairly cheap to throw together, rogue, and also not that far from being completely competitively viable, check this deck out:

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... en-summer/

I'm considering throwing this together myself. It just looks so fun to play. Who doesn't want to drop Craterhoof and pwn??
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Post Post #956 (isolation #181) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:23 am

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I just dont think this format is slow enough for anything other than dedicated aggro or tempo to survive.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #182) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:53 am

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Silent departure. That card is just not good.
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Post Post #974 (isolation #183) » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:24 am

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Primal surge seems like such a win more card. I would rather just drop a beater.
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Post Post #976 (isolation #184) » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:11 am

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Oh man, is that the beta? It looks so pretty.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #185) » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:45 am

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What are you playing?
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #186) » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:56 pm

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UT and I have now been paired round 1 in the last 3 drafts we've done together. :(

I'm in the finals of that queue right now. Burn at the stake gisela too stronk.
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #187) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:05 am

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funny thing is, I effing hate the archtype, but its hard to argue with the cards youre passed sometimes.
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #188) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:29 am

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You're behind the times. I try to force black frequently. Most people who know what they're doing have been trying to do that for a while. Everyone hates black so you get like the most insane decks ever sometimes. I had a deck with 2 homicidal seclusions 3 death wind 3 bone splinters the other day. I mean, how is that even beatable?
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #189) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:41 am

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you want Bx

You just pick the best non black card you see and splash a couple on color things with it.
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #190) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:20 pm

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Demonic Taskmaster is pretty bad, tbh.
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #191) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:44 pm

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I would take BFC over DT like 95% of the time...
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #192) » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:16 am

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I dont know why I would want a win condition I have to jump through that many hoops for when I can just play good ones instead.
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #193) » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:53 am

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I play MB frequently in AVR and I have never felt like I had to play taskmaster. Like, I think its made it into my deck like 2 or 3 times as a 23rd. I think its really awful.

Furthermore, I think the bitching about "playables" in AVR is just that, bitching. I almost never have trouble filling my deck. You guys are just in the wrong colors if you're not getting enough playables.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #194) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:30 pm

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Into the finals with an absolute joke of a deck. WOO LUCK.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #195) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:13 pm

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I do not know how I won with that pile of garbage. But I did!
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #196) » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:39 am

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Yeah. I played well. But I was surprised my cards just werent straight up outclassed.
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #197) » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:26 pm

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Who was in the house?
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #198) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:36 am

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Oh ok.
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #199) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:00 pm

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So my question to you is what editions are these cards? What format are you trying to play?
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