NomicScum, Game 2

[Lord Mhork]

Well, ani, 48 is just cleaner. Occasionally I spend a whole day away from the website, but rarely do I stay away for two. As well, there are quite a few people who have constant real life circumstances which prevent them from accessing the game everyday. Honestly, it's just an extension to prevent anyone from being screwed over for catching up on work or something along those lines.

PEdit:
That sums it up, I suppose.

[Lord Mhork]

What do you think of Amendment 301B, ani?

[Packbat]

Apparently, though, people don't want to make amendments? Is it just a simply "I propose X Amendment" kind of deal? Correct me if I'm wrong...

Actual proposal of rule-changes

happens on your turn. What you can do on other people's turns is

make suggestions

which the current player can incorporate at will.

Seriously, guys, this isn't one of those failNomics where everyone spazzes out rule-changes and then the game explodes in a cloud of the-moderators-can't-keep-up. Read the rules.

And, seeing as how animorpherv1 isn't revising the rule, VOTE: Nay.

301: Each player has twenty-four (24) hours from the start of their turn to propose a new rule. In the event that a player does not propose a rule in their turn, their turn is skipped the first time. The second time, they are prodded and have an extra twenty-four (24) hours, and is skipped at the end of the time. The third time, they are eliminated. This rule takes precedence over Rule 201.

Votes so far:

• animorpherv1 - Yea
  
• Chevre - Nay
  
• CSL
  
• Cybele - Nay
  
• JDGA - Nay
  
• Lord Mhork - Nay
  
• malthusis - Yea
  
• MonkeyMan576
  
• Packbat - Nay
  
• Robotnick2 - Nay
  
• T-Bone - Yea?
  
• Xalxe - Yea

[animorpherv1]

I hold firm on my stance that I believe this would work.

[Packbat]

Work? Yes. But the proposed changes are improvements, particularly the increase to 48 hours.

[animorpherv1]

Maybe I'm bass ackwards, but that's the one I see to be the most redundant.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Nay

I'm not in the business of voting yes just to vote yes. It obviously needs more thought and discussion.

[T-Bone]

I still vote YAY

[MonkeyMan576]

Are the ammendments still on Ani's turn or the next persons turn?

[Robotnick2]

The amendment's aren't official, they're just taken as suggestions.

[Packbat]

I think animorpherv1's turn will end as soon as CSL votes.

[JDGA]

I don't get why 48 hours. 24 hours should be perfectly fine,

barring real life circumstances.

ani, you've already said so yourself why it needs to be 48 hours. Besides, barring real life circumstances a rule change will probably be proposed within 24 anyway, so what's the problem?

[MonkeyMan576]

I voted nay.

[Lord Mhork]

Well sorry, Ani. I tried to help you out there. I'm certain it would be a unanimous victory if you were to put those changes into place.

[Lord Mhork]

And sorry, Packbat. I gotted confused...

[animorpherv1]

My goal right now is to lay down basic structure. Most of the suggestions are either redundant or useless to me.

[Cybele]

If they're redundant, it's because we all agree on it. :1

[Packbat]

My goal right now is to lay down basic structure.

Your

initial goal

should be to lay down basic structure, I agree - but once a change is implemented, it becomes a part of the ruleset that must be adhered to as strictly as every other part. Therefore, it needs to be as solid as possible

before

it is enacted, or else it will simply cause headaches.

Obviously you don't need to cover every possible case - none of us said you needed to form a V/LA clause immediately, for example - but every change must halt the ruleset in a good state.

[animorpherv1]

But I don't see the need for most, if not all, of these changes.

Seriously. I find they're useless and stupid.

[T-Bone]

The rule was pretty clear. Apparently some people don't want to be held accountable for taking their turn in a timely manner.

[animorpherv1]

The rule was pretty clear. Apparently some people don't want to be held accountable for taking their turn in a timely manner.

EXACTLY

. If you can't take your turn in 24 hours, you shouldn't egt a turn. Let me remind you that

some

people like to take the entire deadline. The 24 hours deadline stops it from getting painfully slow.

Think about it. Let's say someone doesn't submit within 24 hours. They get skipped. On the second time, they do it and get prodded, plus are given another 24 hours. On the third, they get eliminated. That's 4 days. Compared to 2 + 3/4 + 2 = 7 or 8 days. And 3 days straight, interest starts to wain. Which will not be good for any game of Nomic.

[MonkeyMan576]

I actually think 48 hours is excessive. There should not be a prod the second time, just a PM notice.

[MonkeyMan576]

Meaning you can PM someone without giving them an extra 24 hours.

[animorpherv1]

Meaning you can PM someone without giving them an extra 24 hours.

Normally I'd agree with this, but there's always the chance that the person forgot about the game, so the PM reminder + 24 hours gives them a chance to come in and make the rule.

@Packbat:

Who gets the points? Just the rule proposer or the people who yes + rule proposer?

[animorpherv1]

Well, ani, 48 is just cleaner. Occasionally I spend a whole day away from the website

Also, a question for Mhork:

Do you play mafia? Under current site meta, this is practically lurking.