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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Thu May 03, 2012 5:33 am

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Ok let's try this once more.

In post 165, quadz08 wrote:I think the reasons people like Best/Funniest Role Claim is because it is a non-serious award.

It is just there for the lolz of it all, most of the time.

We need
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lolz awards, not less, IMO. Mafia is all srsbsns on this site, and that's fine. I like it that way, for the most part. However, there's no reason we can't celebrate the stuff that isn't that way. Funniest role claim was a superb way to do that. Even if we just do a "Funniest Post in a Mafia Game" award (which is broader than Role Claim) I think it would be good. We need a solid mix of serious "you dun good" awards and chilled-out/not that big of a deal/look back on the funtimes awards.


I think that the community as a whole likes the scummies because they are fun. Not because everyone gets all worked up about wanting to win one, or anything like that, but because they're
fun
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P-EDIT: Chamber, I think it's not a bad idea to do some awards like that, but not all (naturally).
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Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Thu May 03, 2012 9:49 am

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I still think that "Funniest Post" is the way to go for a "funny" award.

EDIT: Funniest Post in a Mafia Game, that is.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #2) » Fri May 04, 2012 4:20 am

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In post 54, chamber wrote:I think scummies as they are are deeply flawed, if no one else is with me on that then I see why you'd be so adverse to my suggestion.


I agree, but I think that moving towards a rankings/points/achievement system is making it
worse
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MORE FUN
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Post Post #66 (isolation #3) » Sat May 05, 2012 9:39 am

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I'm in agreement with Faraday and SKrew here. It doesn't make sense to judge them against one another; they're too different.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:00 am

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...

Very rarely have I seen a truly hilarious moment also be a moment of truly good play. For example, in Fate's Destiny Mafia, Spyrex posted an image in-thread that I think literally every player in the game fell of their chairs laughing at. Would I have nominated it for funniest moment? Absolutely. Good play? Hell no. While the categories are not mutually exclusive, the overlap is so small that it makes no sense to group them together.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #5) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:50 am

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I really don't see what's wrong with rewarding a funny post, KK. It's not like people are going to start turning games into platforms for stand-up comedy just so they can win this scummy; I just don't think the two categories should be judged together.

I see the other side, truly I do. I just don't think that on a site of this size that we'll have an issue finding nominees for either category.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #6) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:58 am

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Your point is fair, and I cede the decision to the committee at this point. I have no more points to make in the argument.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #7) » Mon May 07, 2012 5:42 pm

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I think that the Golden Fedora is only for someone who has been at a level of service that is essentially unimaginable. I can see Flay getting it, maaaaybe. No one else jumps out as deserving of something quite so prestigious.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #8) » Tue May 08, 2012 4:28 am

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KISON Y U MAKE ME LAFF SO HARD AT WORK

Anywho, Golden Fedora: Retirement present / lifetime achievement award seems fitting to me. Like, I can think of a couple non-admins who might be considered for one a couple years down the line if they keep going like they have been, so it's not like it will only go to admins (IMO). However, I do think that your typical Golden Fedora person maybe will have been a listmod or something similar at some point, just because the type of person who's going to contribute enough and be respected enough to get a Golden Fedora is going to be the same type of person who volunteers to do important jobs on-site anyway.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #9) » Tue May 08, 2012 12:56 pm

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1 year from what date? Because if scummies judgements are due on July 30th, and a newbie joins on July 15, they obviously aren't getting best newbie then, but if we wait til next year, they'll be too old, and out of the running.

This is why Rising Star is the best choice logisitically.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #10) » Thu May 10, 2012 9:26 am

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Best Dead QT would be amusing. :D
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Post Post #151 (isolation #11) » Wed May 16, 2012 8:26 am

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That's fine, IMO, as long as the description indicates as such
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Post Post #155 (isolation #12) » Fri May 18, 2012 6:39 am

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Myeh. I don't think it serves any purpose.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #13) » Thu May 24, 2012 6:06 am

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^^^

I think that's one of the crucial things about mafia; it's not baseball, where you can go all SABERMETRICS and figure out a player's effectiveness based purely on stats and it's pretty much going to be correct. Certain playstyles are effective in certain games with certain other players with certain roles and mechanics and etc. There are simply too many variables, and the game is based too heavily around human interaction to put together any sort of truly meaningful statistics. Hell, even win/loss ratios are unreliable; you could've gotten vigged N1 for being a VI in every town game you play, and still have a 7/2 town record just because the rest of the town was good.

I think judging pretty much has to be subjective; I honestly don't feel that there are any truly meaningful individual statistics in mafia.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #14) » Thu May 24, 2012 7:41 am

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GOOD IDEA

HAHA NOPE
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Post Post #193 (isolation #15) » Sat May 26, 2012 2:12 pm

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nth-ing
the MVP idea. I really like that.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #16) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:45 am

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In post 200, Mr. Flay wrote:
In post 199, xRECKONERx wrote:KittyMo actually did the MVP voting thing in this game and it added a lot to the game, in my personal opinion. I may try it with my upcoming mini normal.
Awesome. More data!


AGar and I plan on doing MVP voting at the end of Experimental Role Mafia. I would love to see a) more mods doing it willingly and b) the listmods at least considering making it a mandatory part of running a game. (With the possible exception of the newbie queue.)
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Post Post #230 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:58 pm

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why are you adding two mafia-specfic awards? Are we short on those or something?
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Post Post #236 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:37 am

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The fact the Best Role Claim is not a thing is, in fact, a problem.

Your solution does not solve that problem. >_>
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Post Post #240 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:54 pm

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I assume you are talking about your "Best Moment in a Mafia Game" suggestion.

Let me direct you somewhere, KK: The OP of the Scummies Nomination Thread.

There is nothing even remotely resembling that award (or any award that I can feasibly applying to a role claim, for that matter) on that list, unless I have gone blind.

Care to try that again?

EDIT: herpderp have link
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Post Post #264 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:47 am

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I like the name
Smooth Operator
, but I'm ok with judging it in a different, less arbitrary way.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:42 am

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Ehhhhhhh I don't really think Life of the Party is what we're looking for.

Also wait Community Contributor isn't judged by the committee? 0.o
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Post Post #306 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:16 pm

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*Mauve (in honor of Korts)
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Post Post #366 (isolation #23) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:40 am

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I like that categorical split, I think.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:59 pm

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To me, Name In Orange is "you aren't/weren't/haven't been an admin/mod but you're AWESOME and deserve recognition," while the Golden Fedora is "you WERE a mod/admin and have been so damn spectacular that you deserve recognition."
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Post Post #411 (isolation #25) » Mon May 20, 2013 3:25 pm

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I think everyone involved should get the image. Good games are made by the playerlist more than the mod, 9 times out of 10.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #26) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:10 am

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3, I believe.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #27) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:14 pm

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I think a "best hydra" award is silly; there's no reason to separate hydras in any regard
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Post Post #469 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:43 am

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I like Reck's Most Enjoyable idea.

Re: mechanic/role scummy- you could take nominations for both and then if the lines blur / there aren't many applications, you can merge them during judging. Just put that in those award descriptions from the beginning and you're good.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #29) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:14 am

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I like it, generally. I'd like to still have a mish-mash award in there, but otherwise, I like it.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #30) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:41 am

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I don't like the idea of making games that are only Theme because they have non-mafia flavor ineligible for Best Setup. We could do Best New Open Setup, Best Normal, and Best Theme, and not necessarily give them all out every year?

Or maybe a better idea: Best Non-Theme Setup Design, which includes everything that could be considered normal if it weren't for flavor?
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Post Post #483 (isolation #31) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:37 am

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I'm fine with those two categories
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Post Post #486 (isolation #32) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:55 am

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Mechanic/Mutation will pretty much always to go to either a large or a micro because of balance constraints
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Post Post #501 (isolation #33) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:37 am

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I approve
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Post Post #514 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:30 am

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I think it boils down to the fact that given two performances that are close to one another in performance, the one that won is always going to win an award for 'best performance' over the one that lost. Sure, one that lost will be in the discussion, but it seems to me that by the nature of the 'Best [Faction]' award, winning is (or should be?) a pretty big factor in determining a winner.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #35) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:36 am

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include plexar in next year's ceremony
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Post Post #554 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:41 am

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chrissakes, faraday
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Post Post #593 (isolation #37) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:43 pm

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cheery dog saying the things that need to be said
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Post Post #595 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:11 am

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That means either we're relying on mods to do something that happens after their game is technically over (read: most won't do it) or we need the listmods to be aware of exactly when every game in their queue ends and post that survey in it at that time (which is a lot of work that we currently aren't doing). Also, we'd then have to compile all that information, which is more work in itself.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:24 am

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^ no one will be paying attention to the thread, nor do I think most will have a fresh enough memory of the game to give a useful response.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #40) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:08 am

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You still come to the issue of someone having to post that in every completed game, which is simply not realistic
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Post Post #618 (isolation #41) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:41 am

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because then we end up punishing a lot of mods for doing something that has no bearing on the actual quality of their game, which is shitty
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