New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

petapan · Post Post #614 (isolation #0) » Wed May 09, 2012 1:49 pm

hi guys im new whats up

UNVOTE:

VOTE: crypto

for being gay and a rapist

petapan · Post Post #615 (isolation #1) » Wed May 09, 2012 1:51 pm

why are people freaking out about deadline did any of you read the rules to this game

or even the title of the game

petapan · Post Post #617 (isolation #2) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:02 pm

i wouldn't expect you to but these other people, these tryhards, they have no excuse

petapan · Post Post #619 (isolation #3) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:04 pm

apparently not

petapan · Post Post #623 (isolation #4) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:06 pm

In post 620, crypto wrote:Anyway if you're town just say the word and we can bulldoze this.

jeez did you even read that we're mason lovers

petapan · Post Post #625 (isolation #5) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:10 pm

i'm on page 5 tell me what's up and i'll sheep you but only if you apologize for raping your dad

petapan · Post Post #626 (isolation #6) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:15 pm

whoa, thats an awkward way to start a new page.

petapan · Post Post #630 (isolation #7) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:28 pm

town reads are cool, town reads are how you win games especially nightless games at least that's what maxwell always tells me

petapan · Post Post #632 (isolation #8) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:38 pm

if by "willie", you mean "nose", then yes, you are correct

petapan · Post Post #634 (isolation #9) » Wed May 09, 2012 2:56 pm

on page 15 now but just wanted to make a serious post and say pine I agree with your scumread on BD but it's not happening today especially with that latest post but we can lynch the replacement tomorrow

petapan · Post Post #636 (isolation #10) » Wed May 09, 2012 3:52 pm

caught up with reading

dudes that look like town: technowc, nora, uberninja, matias

people that need to die: anyone who isn't scumhunting which is a lot of people. both our leading wagons are okay, they seem to have difficulty doing anything other than making weak pushes on easy targets (which doesnt mean im saying their targets are town just that they are pursuing their votes w/ genuine conviction). blonde also looks very scummy for reasons that aren't worth elaborating on right now

UNVOTE:

one question here before i decide my vote

RedFF: you say you start a policy lynch vote in nearly every game. i looked through your games and found one other game where you did this. tell me what games you've done this in or i'm lynching you

i mean policy lynching vifam is cool and great and awesome and i love you for attempting it but what have you done for me lately

petapan · Post Post #644 (isolation #11) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:17 pm

deadline tomorrow means i guess they won't have much time to mount a defense i guess but neither is doing much and i'm not really going to cry a river if they're town

looking at ythan's prior nightless game there was a 2:1 T:S ratio so assuming numbers are kept constant that means 5 or 6 scum this game, which means 5 or 3 mislynches, respectively. 6 would be pretty rough but there tends to be a domino effect from scum lynches

I read their ISOs and mogri is worse cuz voting someone for claiming VT always rubs me the wrong way esp. in a nightless setup where any power roles would be completely gamebreaking so there are none and that being the crux of his case is absolutely stupid

VOTE: Mogri

that said redff defending his dumb earlygame policy lynch rubs me kind of the wrong way

petapan · Post Post #655 (isolation #12) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:26 pm

In post 639, TeChNoWC wrote:As we mentioned earlier, any information you can provide is helpful, I don't see the benefit in leaving information out unless you think it's unhelpful. What are your reasons for blonde?

not worth posting a full case because the day's almost over and trying to start an alternate wagon with plurality lynches at deadline is likely to cause tears. the sooner someone gets hammered the sooner i write a real case

in short though it's insincere tone in posts. stuff like "This looks like you are trying to look townie by "saving" him from a lynch so early. Do you feel as though there would be nothing to learn from a wagon?" "I am sorry, but you seem more and more desperate as you post..." read like smug scumlines from someone who's trying to fake confidence, and then their posts just get kind of meek and timid when people bite back. after that it's empty questions and foot-shuffling on voting bbmolla but they never do it and just fall back out of sight and can't come up with anything new to say

which i realize can happen to town that's intimidated as well it's just that the frustration doesn't register as genuine

petapan · Post Post #657 (isolation #13) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:28 pm

In post 651, UberNinja wrote:whose alt are you petapan?

you show me yours and i'll show you mine

petapan · Post Post #660 (isolation #14) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:29 pm

what are the votes looking like right now

petapan · Post Post #665 (isolation #15) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:33 pm

Okay sure if we get 1 more vote on red I'll jump ship

petapan · Post Post #669 (isolation #16) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:39 pm

hiraki is annoying and has an anime avatar but didn't look esp scummy to me on my readthrough

UNVOTE: Mogri
VOTE: RedFF

petapan · Post Post #672 (isolation #17) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:41 pm

In post 670, crypto wrote:He didn't look scummy to me either but his lack of participation makes me itch.

I'm out.

are you sure thats not just you having red eye

petapan · Post Post #674 (isolation #18) » Wed May 09, 2012 4:44 pm

In post 671, TeChNoWC wrote:Can I bold text that isn't a vote?

you almost always can unless the mod is really weird. it's a good way to get the mod's attention if you have a question

petapan · Post Post #713 (isolation #19) » Thu May 10, 2012 7:59 am

hrm

no

VOTE: BK201

mogri gets to live for 1 day he's probably a member of the other scumteam but w/e i'm giving him a pass for 1 day

petapan · Post Post #715 (isolation #20) » Thu May 10, 2012 8:10 am

explain in logical terms how redff being scum makes mogri a member of his scumteam given that bussing in a nightless game is monumentally retarded, cross-bussing doubly so

petapan · Post Post #724 (isolation #21) » Thu May 10, 2012 9:46 am

jeff told me who he is and i'm not sure what to believe

petapan · Post Post #730 (isolation #22) » Thu May 10, 2012 9:55 am

i can't think of any reason mogri would ask that question except as an attempt to town-tell right now tbh it's very out of the blue

ftr in ythan's last nightless game scum couldn't talked to each other, i remembered cause i read it and not your mother eight complained about not being able to talk to his teammates in postgame

also why are you writing off inte

petapan · Post Post #733 (isolation #23) » Thu May 10, 2012 10:38 am

dropping names in lists is easy and doesn't tell anything about alignment either way, potentially he's just an irritatingly cryptic player but that doesn't give me any reason to put him as town

petapan · Post Post #740 (isolation #24) » Thu May 10, 2012 1:55 pm

mogri why aren't you voting

why are you speculating on mechanics rather than scumhunting

petapan · Post Post #758 (isolation #25) » Thu May 10, 2012 5:51 pm

so mogri just voted the dude i replaced yesterday, 5 pages ago

hahahahhaahahhahahahahahahaahahah thanks for claiming scum mogri

you see if you were town and actually reading the thread you would know that change took place

but you aren't paying attention because you're scum on cruise control and you just fucked up and let everyone know that

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mogri
VOTE: Mogri
VOTE: Mogri

petapan · Post Post #766 (isolation #26) » Fri May 11, 2012 8:51 am

literally caught scum can't even come up with a coherent response

petapan · Post Post #767 (isolation #27) » Fri May 11, 2012 8:56 am

seriously try to justify a single point for bbmolla (who isn't in this game anymore) being scum that does not also apply to you because hahahahaha you can't

petapan · Post Post #783 (isolation #28) » Fri May 11, 2012 7:29 pm

In post 775, Mogri wrote:BB was scum, peta is scum, same thing. I'm just a VT without a
ton
of interest in this game, so I apologize for not trying harder and direct your attention towards peta's opportunist voting record.

haha do you even know the meaning of the words you are posting, or are you a bot that is programmed to fill in mad libs using the playerlist and info from the wiki

petapan · Post Post #834 (isolation #29) » Sun May 13, 2012 4:53 pm

In post 832, inte wrote:technowc pretty much hit the nail on the head
i pretty much tunnel if i try to lay down reasoning too hard

until i feel like my read is strong, i wont be able to find reasons to back it up how i feel

also, y'all (cept UberNinja and possibly crypto) dumb. go vote Nobody Special.
kids obvi scum

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

UNVOTE:
VOTE: inte

(also nobody special is almost definitely much older than you)

petapan · Post Post #918 (isolation #30) » Tue May 15, 2012 10:15 am

In post 916, UberNinja wrote:
In post 914, Mogri wrote:
In post 907, crypto wrote:
In post 746, Mogri wrote:BBmolla
nice job reading the game

unvote
vote: mogri

Is that really the best you can do? Why don't you just drop the pretense and say it? "Hey guys, I'mma hop aboard this wagon why not."

The funny thing about your post is that
you hadn't finished reading when you posted it.
Nice job reading the game, indeed.

this is town

why is there so much fucking opposition to a nobody special wagon

no not really, everything he says is patently full of shit and he's making generic attacks that he doesn't understand (hint: voting someone for a scummy post is not the same as voting someone who replaced out because one of them

shows an active thought process

)

inte is still terrible and scum but so is mogri, his wagon is larger, this is a nightless game we should kill them both and nobody special can go too why is this so agonizing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mogri

petapan · Post Post #920 (isolation #31) » Tue May 15, 2012 10:24 am

can you literally only post snippy retorts that dodge the point, shut up god damn

petapan · Post Post #1032 (isolation #32) » Wed May 16, 2012 6:13 pm

pine has been pretty bad this game but him being disinterested doesn't really point to him being scum, reach harder mogri

been working on an effortpost dunno when i'll be done

petapan · Post Post #1117 (isolation #33) » Thu May 17, 2012 8:27 pm

just accidentally closed my browser window because i'm a big huge idiot

mogri case tomorrow

petapan · Post Post #1151 (isolation #34) » Fri May 18, 2012 5:39 pm

hi cfriot welcome to the game i'm not reading that post sorry

In post 1129, crypto wrote:ehh, i keep getting this nagging feeling that ns got lazy and fell behind early and then resorted to being a useless piece of shit out of sheer spite, just so he can give us the finger when he flips town, while posting with a bare minimum of effort in order to avoid flaking

but then i think, fuck it

he does that literally every game

petapan · Post Post #1153 (isolation #35) » Fri May 18, 2012 6:21 pm

okay, mogri i will end you

#227 his first vote is on redFF, where he votes him for being detrimental to the town by claiming vt. in a nightless game. detrimental - not scummy

he then argues dumb semantics with major minor

#483 is where he comments on the redff thing again, and says he won't move his vote because he's afraid of people jumping on him, which is a great way of saying he doesn't have a real reason to vote anyone

#540 is the first time where he actually says anything about redff being scum, claiming PR-fishing as a reason, but the fact that it took him this long says in his mind he was thinking of redff as a mislynch first and foremost

#592 this feels like a scumline to me but i can't back it up - the smiley at the end doesn't help though it's too coy and cutesy rather than trying to push someone to just vote for a genuine scumread

#718 he quotes me here. he knew I was in the game. he should have known I replaced BBmolla. also, he asks about daytalk but then never follows up on it with anything once answers are offered, meaning this is just an arbitrary forced towntell

#739 dumb setup spec combined with "what if the scumteam is like this" that's another faked towntell

#746 at this point he complains about being perceived as scummy so much it's a self-incrimination tell -townies generally don't see themselves as being scummy because they know they're innocent and are acting out of that motivation etc etc. also, this is where he slips and votes bbmolla, and then never tries to explain why he wasn't reading the thread enough to realize he'd been replaced

#765 this is the shittiest reaction to being voted, claiming my vote on him was omgus when he didn't even realize i was occupying the player slot, and doesn't bother to address the vote. also, this is a thing he does - throw out buzzwords culled straight from the wiki for his arguments because he can't make a real one

#775 here he tries to deflect to my "opportunist voting record" without backing it up, because he throws out words he doesn't understand in the hope people latch on. I was willing to vote the leading wagons on day 1 just to get a lynch and speed things up because they were both scummy, whoop de doo

#851 here is the first time he gives any real reasoning, claiming his scumreads are "combative, terse, and unhelpful" BUT THAT'S THE WAY HE'S BEEN THE ENTIRE GAME HAHAHA #853 #855

#857 pine already dissected this post here so read it because i don't need to reiterate his points

#865 #869 #880 #914 are all post him crying about the "lazy wagon" which tends to be a scumtell because it's a scum thing to complain about how the people voting you have no case rather than trying to call out people for being scummy

#919 here he demonstrates how he's really smart and read about logical fallacies for the debate team but he does this all the time and uses it to defend himself so hahahaha

#926 apparently wanting to lynch people that are suspicious in a nightless game is a scumtell now good to know, as opposed to mogri who would rather just cry in the corner and dismiss everyone's attacks on him

#961 ph look an ACTUAL opportunistic vote from mogri!!!

#975 makes a case on pine for "not scumhunting" but considering what i've shown from mogri's iso that's hahahaha and in general pine is kind of weak in his posts but his fundamental point is that "pine is not scumhunting" when he complained about people using the EXACT SAME REASONING back in #851

here he pushes just a little too hard in #1029 and makes a few bad points. pine has a terrible excuse for being disinterested in the game, this is a scumtell because oh wait mogri can't finish his own thoughts. he claims pine said nothing about hiraki, except for the part where he argued with him briefly and voted him. then he goes on about terrible excuses again, and votes him for it. townies don't do this when someone isn't putting in effort they tell them to replace out but mogri wants a lynch even though he hasn't explained why pine having bad excuses for not wanting to play makes him scum in-game

i swear to god if i typed this effortpost for people to not lynch caught scum i am done with this game, i will not even point my finger of suspicion at people if they sheep me blindly because i had to write this post twice

VOTE: Mogri

burn

petapan · Post Post #1156 (isolation #36) » Fri May 18, 2012 6:39 pm

I don't like long posts, realize that's ironic saying it right now but i hate summaries in particular because they tend to be rambling and pointless, skimming his it's poorly formatted, poorly written, and lacks a thesis, i'd give it a C- with a "Needs Improvement" written in red on it (the improvement is voting someone)

petapan · Post Post #1163 (isolation #37) » Sat May 19, 2012 9:14 am

In post 1162, crypto wrote:okay let's roll

unvote
vote: mogri

i am so wet right now

petapan · Post Post #1175 (isolation #38) » Sat May 19, 2012 2:49 pm

In post 1164, Mogri wrote:
In post 1153, petapan wrote:okay, mogri i will end you

C- needs improvement

famous last words, idiot sscum

petapan · Post Post #1344 (isolation #39) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:26 pm

i hate lists but at this point i feel like i need to make one because i'm out of ideas so i guess i'm going to re-read

petapan · Fri May 25, 2012 12:54 pm

picking up on prod content later tonight

petapan · Post Post #1489 (isolation #41) » Fri May 25, 2012 9:00 pm

read things

BK201 annoyed me earlier, on a re-read i felt like i could see a small bit of reasoning behind what he was doing but there's a lot of smug self-assured nonsense

I liked psyche's effortpost in #1274 but since then I feel like he's back to being super-whitenoise but not as scummy as BK

uberninja was a townread off replacing vifam, kind of annoyed by tone in recent posts but still makes good points like BK201's voting and pine being a turd. don't like the push on nora though.

CF Riot had a scummy predecessor but is generally middle of the road with his posts to me now - nothing stands out one way or the other. could be scum could be town let me jam a fence post up my butt

inte is terrible and needs to die

Pine is pretty lousy now, feel like he's half-assing a lot of his votes

Matias was towny early on but I feel like he's faded dramatically since then

the case on nora doesn't make sense to me, her posts generally show good reasoning and she didn't have a bad reaction at all

kairyuu was an anime avatar turd man, made a huge push on a guy that was fairly town and defended mogri who was playing like crap and mentally checked out of the game without really being able to justify it in a way that made sense. wrote some really garbage walls. haven't liked much from either player in this slot

crypto is my boyfriend and also my alt so i won't lynch him

hiraki sucks but i do not see him as acting in a scum motivated way right now

i took too long on that

VOTE: BK201

petapan · Post Post #1492 (isolation #42) » Sat May 26, 2012 6:57 am

yeah that's kind of a terrible vote

petapan · Post Post #1518 (isolation #43) » Sat May 26, 2012 8:45 pm

In post 1515, CF Riot wrote:No way. How is no one else having a red flag reaction to Psyche's BK vote? He's lying, in an obvious manner. For the purpose of self-preservation. Does anyone really think Psyche actually looked through 100 different posts in past normal games to get this info? Here's another question, how did you come up with 42.5 percent out of 100 cases? Was one of the people half a scum? What about this 3 or 4 scum post? Where are those numbers coming from? Your math was wrong anyways because the denominator should be 11 not 12 but that's beside the point.

Am I really the only one bothered by this? UN why is this stupid?

he posted data in MD which means it's an actual personal hangup of his and something he is serious about

i don't think it's worthwhile reasoning and you seem to have noticed that but responding with LOLSCUM instead of pointing out the obvious holes in it doesn't rustle my jimmies

petapan · Post Post #1590 (isolation #44) » Mon May 28, 2012 7:28 pm

In post 1524, Hiraki wrote:
uberninja wrote:Hiraki is a moron noraaa

do not fear
Says the person who's led 2 MLs now

ouch

wonder who has more credibility here

this is a really bad post

petapan · Post Post #1591 (isolation #45) » Mon May 28, 2012 7:29 pm

we should lynch him for it

petapan · Tue May 29, 2012 10:16 am

In post 1593, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1591, petapan wrote:we should lynch him for it
taking that post super literally is scummy

not really, defending it as some ironic joke statement when you're trying to undermine a guy with it bugs me

petapan · Post Post #1652 (isolation #47) » Tue May 29, 2012 6:18 pm

just examined the wagons and everyone on the psyche wagon except maybe CF riot is scummy, makes me feel even worse about that lynch

crypto, tell me your damn read on psyche right now

petapan · Post Post #1670 (isolation #48) » Wed May 30, 2012 9:13 am

good crypto is town for now, but i just realized that psyche is dead unless we can get someone from the wagon to defect. guess that means i need to talk with CF Riot or defender because hahah everyone else there is beyond hope

petapan · Wed May 30, 2012 12:38 pm

In post 1676, noraaa wrote:What do you do when you're stuck and you've already re-iso'd three times?

fall into a well of despair and siteflake

But that's not practical, so let's talk. Who are your strongest reads (town or scum)?

petapan · Post Post #1682 (isolation #50) » Wed May 30, 2012 5:58 pm

if you don't have time for mafia then replace out of the game and let someone take your spot

petapan · Post Post #1689 (isolation #51) » Thu May 31, 2012 5:54 pm

In post 1684, D3f3nd3r wrote:BK, I'm gonna look at what I think #1681 means. Your quotes are bolded.

Guys just vote me.

This suggests that you are scum. Self-vote if you want to be lynched.

This isn't going anywhere anytime soon

It's gonna have to...deadline's in four days.

and I don't have much time for mafia currently.

Request V/LA then!

I am probably right about one of the people I've said are scum.

That probably means that you are.

I'm thinking that Psyche and you are scumbuddies.

A few questions for you now:
1. As of now, who are the most scummy players in the game?
2. Before they were lynched, what were your reads on the lynched players?

this is garbage, you're giving reasons for calling the alternate lynch scummy while keeping your vote parked

do you really think we're running up two members of the same scumteam

petapan · Post Post #1690 (isolation #52) » Thu May 31, 2012 5:55 pm

In post 1686, crypto wrote:meh. bk201 doesn't look scummy to me; i think it's cf riot + matias + people.

what about pine

petapan · Post Post #1694 (isolation #53) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:34 am

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Pine

more viable lynch than BK and psyche is a townread, pine is not

petapan · Post Post #1719 (isolation #54) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:37 pm

cool

VOTE: hiraki

petapan · Post Post #1733 (isolation #55) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:57 pm

well, defender could have just kept on psyche as scum and kept things at a deadlock so I'm going to give him credit for that for now but it only works as a team-tell anyway

UNVOTE:

VOTE: pine

nvm hiraki can wait

petapan · Post Post #1760 (isolation #56) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:06 pm

we're not lynching psyche

petapan · Post Post #1802 (isolation #57) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:54 am

In post 1801, Psyche wrote:And about the last part. You do know they have daychat, right? Because it seems pretty clear that they used daychat to get you to draw these incorrect conclusions.

where has this been confirmed?

petapan · Post Post #1833 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:43 pm

i think at least one of them is scum and the psyche lynch is totally retarded (he's town)

petapan · Post Post #1835 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:43 am

pine, hiraki, inte, hell add defender to the list because he's fucking awful:

In post 1711, D3f3nd3r wrote:Yeah. Psyche hasn't made me scream "TOWNIE" in my head, I still suspect him, but I'm feeling that he's less scummy.

UNVOTE: Psyche

VOTE: BK

I suspect BK more now, and feel that he deserves my vote. See the last post I made, 1-2 pages back.

In post 1796, D3f3nd3r wrote:
In post 1711, D3f3nd3r wrote:Yeah. Psyche hasn't made me scream "TOWNIE" in my head, I still suspect him, but I'm feeling that he's less scummy.
UNVOTE: Psyche

Less scummy than BK201.

Now, we VOTE: Psyche

except his original reason for voting was

In post 1597, D3f3nd3r wrote:VOTE: Psyche

Part of this is because I'm annoyed by his statistics, part is because I just don't see any point in them, but it's mainly just annoying.

If you promise me that you will not make any more crazy meta statistics, I will unvote you.

because he's

annoyed

by a poster which is awful and scum

i know everyone has set their minds to ignore the slot because it's been twice replaced and kairyuu was an anime turd man so no one actually read his posts but defender is really bad. like, really really bad.

i'm not accomplishing anything because the town players are all fractured and nobody's listening (myself included) because everyone wants to be a fucking unique beautiful flower

petapan · Post Post #1836 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:45 am

let me break down everyone on the psyche wagon

petapan · Post Post #1837 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:47 am

hi let's look at posts where inte talks about psyche

In post 336, inte wrote:Psyche is town
BBmolla is scummily tunneling. and his last posts have been unappealing
id like to get a Nobody Special wagon going eventually, but people dont see what i see

VOTE: BBmolla

step it up or get lynched

In post 588, inte wrote:i can't give you scum reads as accurately as i can give you town reads

scum:

Nobody Special
probably BBmolla's slot
Pine

town:

UberNinja
Psyche

and then suddenly his reads change for no reason

In post 1192, inte wrote:VOTE: Psyche

cmon guys

In post 1221, inte wrote:
In post 1212, crypto wrote:inte, why psyche?

do you see this guys content? all empty promises, active lurking, etc.

In post 1215, crypto wrote:i have no idea why i keep writing uberninja off as town.

cause he is town

sorry for the quad post, im a spammer

In post 1365, inte wrote:
In post 1354, UberNinja wrote:
Unvote; Vote: noraaa
if an unvote is necessary

bro, no

Hiraki wrote:
Vote: Psyche

this is the way to go

VOTE: Psyche

In post 1575, inte wrote:ok well im back

psyche still sucks and pine is still a dick

In post 1744, inte wrote:man these votes are all over the place, i can't fucking tell who is suspicious of whom anymore

fuck it VOTE: Psyche

whoa this guy looks town as hell look at how much he's looking for scum

petapan · Post Post #1838 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:49 am

Hiraki can't even PRETEND to find a reason psyche is scummy in all his posts

In post 1033, Hiraki wrote:(Kairyuu, UberNinja, Pine, Nobody Special, Mogri, noraaa, TeChNoWC, Psyche)

Let's examine.

Starting to get horrible feelings from Psyche.

Noraaaa is null.

Mogri is scum.
Vote: Mogri

NS is town.

Pine is town.

Uber is town.

And Kariyuu is town.

We're done here. One of my town reads is probably wrong--but we can deal with that later.

In post 1248, Hiraki wrote:
Vote: Psyche

I give up on inte.

That's fake.

In post 1361, Hiraki wrote:
Vote: Psyche

In post 1433, Hiraki wrote:
Matias wrote:I'd lynch me too, I've been so behind. I'm not sure why Psyche is defending me. Psyche, it's obvious that I haven't been around for Days 2-4, so why disagree with others?
OH DAMN

WE GOT CONNECTIONS HERE

I'M MOTIVATED

TO SEND PYSCHE

OVA DA EDGEEEEEE

In post 1557, Hiraki wrote:ok well this is nice and cuddly and sweet

but lynch psyche or CF

In post 1799, Hiraki wrote:
Vote: Psyche

BK wasn't scummy kthanks.

petapan · Post Post #1839 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:02 am

UN, your case is bad. you can construe BK defending psyche then voting him to look like they're scumbuddies but it's also possible he was a player bk chose to townread then had to double back on when he went into survival mode. pretty sure your reasoning on "dur he lynched town" doesn't apply to just him but you're only looking at him and not at anyone else, so all you say is awful confirmation biasy nonsense that ignores the fact he keeps towntelling in his posts

it makes no sense that you'd drop a townread on psyche that quickly

petapan · Post Post #1840 (isolation #64) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:09 am

UNVOTE:

VOTE: d3f3nd3r

This is where I'm going, right now. No longer see pine as being quite as scummy as those other guys after doing some reading. but in all seriousness i'm pissed that people are ignoring how bad these votes are

petapan · Post Post #1849 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:30 am

In post 1841, Hiraki wrote:You could've just asked Peta

I'll give you a case

when I'm asked

not today though

i don't want a case from you because you're an anime turd man who is scum

petapan · Post Post #1850 (isolation #66) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:31 am

In post 1848, Pine wrote:I'm down with the possibiliy of Defender being scum. He replaced Blonde Doctor, recall, who was pretty scummy, and Kairyuu, who failed to redeem the slot. Noraaa/Defender/Psyche/UberNinja looks about right for remaining scum.

I'm not comfortable with voting uberninja today, so join me on this guy.

petapan · Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:46 am

In post 1860, UberNinja wrote:So, why Defend3r and not inte, petapan?

Your posts last page were way more damning of inte than of Defend3r.

they're both bad, i just didn't see it the way you see it

but if you're saying you would defect from the psyche wagon to lynch inte, then that lynch is preferable to me

petapan · Post Post #1905 (isolation #68) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:34 pm

In post 1902, UberNinja wrote:In other words, the only reason people are voting Defender are because "well, it's not the Psyche wagon" and "because it's really not the Psyche wagon"

2 + 2 = scum driven counter-wagon

But then I'm preaching to the choir here. I want to know what people (besides the people I'm talking about) think of this ridiculousness.

hahah yeah it's definitely us that's on the scum-driven wagon and not you

petapan · Post Post #1907 (isolation #69) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:35 pm

(going to quote that post when CF riot hammers psyche)

petapan · Post Post #1911 (isolation #70) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:40 pm

In post 1910, UberNinja wrote:
In post 1907, petapan wrote:(going to quote that post when CF riot hammers psyche)

if you think psyche is going to be hammered, then why haven't you hammered him?

DAMN IT PETA ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT

that is the scummiest most retarded thing

"please hammer your townread since you think they will be hammered anyway"

petapan · Post Post #1914 (isolation #71) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:41 pm

In post 1908, crypto wrote:
In post 1906, Psyche wrote:I think it's a counterwagon to the lynch of a very important town player. :O
don't mistake us thinking you're town for us thinking you're remotely important; you are possibly the most useless piece of shit in this game.

don't be so rude

hiraki is still in this game

petapan · Post Post #1930 (isolation #72) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:01 pm

well fuck me i was so careful not to do that

petapan · Post Post #1931 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:01 pm

VOTE: d3f3nd3r

now do i continue to chillpost on this account or abandon it to keep seriousposting on the other

petapan · Post Post #1932 (isolation #74) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:03 pm

at this point in the game it's only going to take a few idiots to let the non-blue scumteam run hog wild on every lynch so dumbasses who lynch obvtown need to step down and follow

petapan · Post Post #1934 (isolation #75) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:05 pm

i think he is but i don't have any concrete meta to back it up

that's honestly the vibe i got from his little meltdown there on the lynch but the great thing about nightless is that the more scum we lynch, the more mislynches we have which means he can go in the damn garbage pile

petapan · Post Post #1936 (isolation #76) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:13 pm

In post 1926, UberNinja wrote:.......................

okay what the fuck

this is a really shit post though

hilarious how now that psyche flips town we get a big vanishing act though

petapan · Post Post #1942 (isolation #77) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:23 pm

cool, you're worthless

petapan · Post Post #1946 (isolation #78) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:31 pm

fine I'm going to have to bargain my way through lynches here because I need to get whoever is sheeping scum to either die or defect

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hiraki

petapan · Post Post #1953 (isolation #79) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:51 pm

survivalism isn't a scumtell but selective reasoning is

regardless we're burning that wagon to the ground if you catch scum then we don't have a problem

petapan · Post Post #1959 (isolation #80) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:30 pm

don't pretend you're actually reading this thread inte

petapan · Post Post #1963 (isolation #81) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:50 pm

UNVOTE:

VOTE: d3f3nder

okay i am happy with this i'm hoping that our little unified bloc here will push some people to sheep rather than joining the circus again

petapan · Post Post #1972 (isolation #82) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:13 am

In post 1970, Hiraki wrote:Peta, are you just going to follow crypto on every vote?

hrm yes i'm following him on this one, you got me, scumbag

petapan · Post Post #1973 (isolation #83) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:33 am

pine, UN isn't getting lynched today. I swear, swear, swear I will be amenable to it if we get a scumflip out of defender but we need 2 more votes and there's a lot of vague nonspecific resistance to lynching him, don't know if you've noticed

petapan · Post Post #1975 (isolation #84) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:56 am

pine is a player who might cooperate, you're not. That makes him more of an asset. I think one of you two is likely scum but you're not on the same team which makes me more sure on wanting to burn (defender, hiraki, inte, CF Riot) and go from there. frankly my suspicion of pine isn't as strong right now as it is of other people and lmfao if you think you have any ability to persuade me to sheep you on a lynch right now reapercharlie

petapan · Post Post #1979 (isolation #85) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:44 am

no i'm on the fence about you but you'll be up against the wall the moment i get a few scum lynched because it'll make town winning that much easier

petapan · Post Post #1981 (isolation #86) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:14 am

keep on having a meltdown it's going to be really hilarious

moving you up the list

petapan · Post Post #1982 (isolation #87) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:19 am

if the best in defense you can muster is "stupid VI newbie" when he's been making actual scum-motivated play with his vote on psyche for being "annoying" and ignoring the fact that he replaced two players who also provided reason to scumread them you're not doing good enough

petapan · Post Post #1989 (isolation #88) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:20 am

hahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahaahhaah string this clown up

petapan · Post Post #1990 (isolation #89) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:20 am

In post 1987, D3f3nd3r wrote:Before the wagon on me started, I was just about town. What "obvscum" or "scumslip" moves have I made in the past few game days?

this is a massive scumtell for those of you who are illiterate/incompetent

petapan · Post Post #2007 (isolation #90) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:03 pm

In post 1996, Pine wrote:
In post 1987, D3f3nd3r wrote:Before the wagon on me started, I was just about town. What "obvscum" or "scumslip" moves have I made in the past few game days?

This, for starters.

vote him already god damn it

petapan · Post Post #2013 (isolation #91) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:56 pm

In post 2006, crypto wrote:defender
hiraki
inte
matias
cf riot
uberninja

all 4 scum are in that group, i'm pretty sure. if uberninja flips scum we get defender. if he doesn't i probably want to go for hiraki or inte since i think they're probably worse.

your strongest townreads are me + pine. why pine.

petapan · Post Post #2055 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:01 pm

HAHAHAHA WE'RE BURNING THIS MOTHERFUCKER TO THE GROUND

VOTE: UBERNINJA

CF RIOT GOES AFTER THEN INTE

YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD THIS

petapan · Post Post #2056 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:04 pm

(also it's likely someone in pine/hiraki bussed today but uberninja just wrote himself a ticket to the gallows and I can't wait to punch it)

petapan · Post Post #2057 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:08 pm

pine wanted to get BD early i remember for what it's worth. god we should have pinned that slot to the wall ages ago but the string of replacements kept giving them extra life

petapan · Post Post #2061 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:11 pm

I don't fucking care we're burning him and everyone else to the ground right now

me/crypto/nora/matias/pine is the final 5 right now and dissenters die first

petapan · Post Post #2062 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:13 pm

In post 2060, crypto wrote:
In post 2056, petapan wrote:(also it's likely someone in pine/hiraki bussed today but uberninja just wrote himself a ticket to the gallows and I can't wait to punch it)
i think hiraki's hammer was a bus. the d3f3nd3r lynch was inevitable.

yeah i was thinking that too. i would probably take a guess that uber/pine aren't paired and neither is cf riot/hiraki. so maybe swap cf riot with hiraki that would be freaking sweet

petapan · Post Post #2065 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:18 pm

i'm not going by feelings at this point because the hammering of psyche combined with trying to deflect the defender wagon is like a big ol' red mark but if hiraki is also red then he's not red, could be town or a really dumb blue

petapan · Post Post #2069 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:24 pm

he was on hiraki at the start of the day if you'll remember

i put matias in there because he was one of the people who was against the psyche wagon and i figure at best we've got 1 scum in that group? at which point we can get him. if we get a better townread we replace him.

petapan · Post Post #2074 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:47 pm

I did actually because I saw the same thing but she replaced out and her replacement was anime text wall man who i didn't have the stamina to argue with but that's in the past now

petapan · Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:11 pm

don't really know what you're talking about there w/r/t me, pine, did you mean to say crypto? BD never spoke with me she replaced out pretty shortly after i replaced in

petapan · Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:16 pm

oh man i did read that but i was thinking you were talking about me interacting with someone and i obviously didn't interact with bbmolla

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:58 am

yeah okay hiraki dies next regardless of the flip

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:04 am

HAHAHAHAHA

BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN TO THE GROUND

VOTE: HIRAKI

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:26 pm

no pine we're staying the course, hiraki dies now because those two hammers were some of the most obvious "welp better bus i'm fucked" hammers in the history of mafia

pretty sure nora's not redscum if memory serves so i don't see how she's MUCH more likely

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:32 pm

huh, i could have sworn there was a strong argument between nora and UN but there's nothing. nothing at all. look you MIGHT be right but i'm on a tear and i'm not going to stop until i hit a friendly fire

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:25 pm

"getting" does not mean hammering when their lynch is inevitable

swing, mofo, swing

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:07 pm

no and it's unfortunate because that means we have to watch you squirm for longer and you won't meltdown in nearly as hilarious a fashion as uberninja

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:24 pm

god yes i hope we get the flip tonight

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:44 pm

I'M RUNNING THE FUCKING BOARDS LET'S GO 4/4

VOTE: INTE

petapan · Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:17 pm

wait

the game's still going

god damn it

8-4-4?

we didn't even have a pluralilty four days ago holy shit

there's always the one that busses and this is where nightless games can go off the rails so i'm slowing down right now

i would wager the last red is in {crypto, nora, matias} if i make the assumption they're a busser (pine/cf riot interactions with red team would be pretty stupid if they were). last blue could be {CF riot, pine, nora} but that's purely speculation from skimming vote counts it's late and things won't be as obvious

so no more quicklynching this is where it's important to stop

petapan · Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:59 am

this VCA is going to be fucking

delicious

petapan · Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:49 am

I've omitted redundant vote counts, which is only a few.

Spoiler:

early game votes here, little of interest so i've spoilered them

4
redFF
(BBmolla,
Vifam
,
Hiraki
, crypto) L-5
1
Vifam
(
redFF
)
1 crypto (Pine)
0 BBmolla
0
Hiraki

0
BK201

0
Blonde Doctor

0
inte

0
Major Minor

0 Matias
0 mb53
0
Mogri

0
Nobody Special

0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
VitorMachado

10 Not Voting (
BK201
,
Blonde Doctor
,
inte
,
Major Minor
, Matias, mb53,
Mogri
,
Nobody Special
, noraaa,
VitorMachado
)

here the RedFF wagon starts to pick up steam, funnily enough it's driven heavily by the red team

Spoiler:

entertaining but little else. crypto jumping from red to inte is a few points against him being blue

Spoiler:

minus points for matias being red

Spoiler:

no real wagons here means not a lot to say. some hanging votes that are interesting but that's it.

3 mb53 (
BK201
,
redFF
, crypto) L-6
3
redFF
(
Vifam
,
Hiraki
, Matias)
2 Pine (
Major Minor
, BBmolla)
1
inte
(mb53)
1 crypto (Pine)
1 Matias (
Blonde Doctor
)
1 BBmolla (
Nobody Special
)
0
Blonde Doctor

0
BK201

0
Vifam

0 noraaa
0
Major Minor

0
Hiraki

0
Mogri

0
Nobody Special

0
VitorMachado

4 Not Voting (
Mogri
, noraaa,
VitorMachado
,
inte
)

here it gets interesting, since we finally have some wagons to speak of, and look at that? CF riot is definitely not bluescum from this.

Spoiler:

5
redFF
(
Vifam
,
Hiraki
, Matias,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-4
3 mb53 (
BK201
,
redFF
, crypto)
2
Mogri
(
Major Minor
, mb53)
1 crypto (Pine)
1 Matias (
Blonde Doctor
)
1 BBmolla (
Nobody Special
)
1
BK201
(noraaa)
0
inte

0 Pine
0
Blonde Doctor

0
Vifam

0 noraaa
0
Major Minor

0
Hiraki

0
Nobody Special

0
VitorMachado

2 Not Voting (
VitorMachado
,
inte
)

Spoiler:

redFF wagon builds, stalls, and scum's counterwagon on mb53 falls apart.

5
redFF
(
Uberninja
,
Hiraki
, Matias,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-4
4 BBmolla (
Psyche
,
BK201
,
Nobody Special
,
inte
)
2
Mogri
(
Major Minor
, mb53)
1 mb53 (
redFF
)
1
BK201
(noraaa)
1
Uberninja
(crypto)
1
Blonde Doctor
(Pine)
0
Nobody Special

0
inte

0 Matias
0 crypto
0 Pine
0 noraaa
0
Major Minor

0
Hiraki

0
Psyche

1 Not Voting (
Blonde Doctor
)

Not to declare my own innocence too strongly here but you've got 2 blue scum on my slot as the counterwagon to their partner

Spoiler:

mini-wagon on BD here but it's gone soon. the redFF wagon peters out here before it's picked up again.

Spoiler:

3
redFF
(
Hiraki
,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-6
3
Mogri
(
Major Minor
, mb53, crypto)
3
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
inte
,
Uberninja
)
2 BBmolla (
Psyche
,
BK201
)
1
Psyche
(Pine)
1
Uberninja
(
Nobody Special
)
1
Blonde Doctor
(Matias)
1 mb53 (
redFF
)
0
BK201

0
inte

0 Matias
0 crypto
0 Pine
0 noraaa
0
Major Minor

0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (
Blonde Doctor
)

right here there starts to be 3 wagons, and this is where the redFF wagon builds to a lynch

Spoiler:

5
redFF
(
Hiraki
,
Mogri
, BBmolla,
TeChNoWC
,
Uberninja
) L-4
3
Mogri
(mb53, crypto,
redFF
)
2
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
inte
)
2 BBmolla (
Psyche
,
BK201
)
1
Psyche
(Pine)
1
Uberninja
(
Nobody Special
)
1
Blonde Doctor
(Matias)
0 mb53
0
BK201

0
inte

0 Matias
0 crypto
0 Pine
0 noraaa
0
TeChNoWC

0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (
Blonde Doctor
)

Spoiler:

9
redFF
(
Hiraki
,
Mogri
,
TeChNoWC
,
Uberninja
, mb53,
Psyche
, crypto, petapan,
inte
) LYNCH
3
Mogri
(
redFF
,
BK201
, noraaa)
0
Nobody Special

1
Psyche
(Pine)
1
Uberninja
(
Nobody Special
)
1
Blonde Doctor
(Matias)
0 crypto
0 petapan
0 mb53
0
BK201

0
inte

0 Matias
0 Pine
0 noraaa
0
TeChNoWC

0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (
Blonde Doctor
)

And that's day 1. So I'm ruling out CF riot as bluescum based on his slot being an attempted counterwagon to redFF.

petapan · Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:50 am

did the stuff i wrote for day 2 really not get posted? dammit. not going to be able to continue for a while but someone else is welcome to pick it up

petapan · Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:39 pm

In post 2162, crypto wrote:for what it's worth, when petapan buses he buses hard and fast so him being scum isn't necessarily out of the question. but busing like that would've been pretty superfluous in this game - to the point where i'll feel pissed off and trolled if he's scum - and he also lynched tons of people on both teams and i don't give a shit.

my forum mafia scum meta is vastly different from my EM meta (i'm 0/4 as scum in forum games, to my memory) although i did try to bus like crazy in 144 (which doesn't exist anymore), but it kind of fucked me there so i'll probably try to play it differently next time i'm scum in a game

just got home and my notes are on my other computer so nothing else tonight

I do want to see a post from nora before i vote anywhere it's been a few days since we've seen anything from her

petapan · Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:59 pm

yeah i'm procrastinating just going to do this vca, not decided yet and not lynching a person while they're on v/la

day 2

3
Mogri
(
TeChNoWC
,
BK201
, Pine) L-5
2
Nobody Special
(
inte
, crypto)
1
BK201
(petapan)
0 petapan
0
Blonde Doctor

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0
inte

0
TeChNoWC

0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

9 Not Voting (
Blonde Doctor
,
Hiraki
, Matias, mb53,
Mogri
,
Nobody Special
, noraaa,
Uberninja
,
Psyche
)

Spoiler:

Not a lot of note happens. Mogri wagon rises, falls, and rises again, there's some alternate wagons but most of what we see on those is people who are already dead, so not much learned at all. Then, the flash technowc wagon happens:

6
TeChNoWC
(
Kairyuu
,
Uberninja
, Pine,
Nobody Special
,
Mogri
, noraaa) L-2
4
Nobody Special
(
inte
,
TeChNoWC
, crypto,
BK201
)
2
Mogri
(
Hiraki
, petapan)
1
Hiraki
(Matias)
0 petapan
0
inte

0
Kairyuu

0
BK201

0 crypto
0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

2 Not Voting (mb53,
Psyche
)

8
TeChNoWC
(
Kairyuu
,
Uberninja
, Pine,
Nobody Special
,
Mogri
, noraaa,
TeChNoWC
,
Psyche
) LYNCH
3
Nobody Special
(
inte
, crypto,
BK201
)
2
Mogri
(
Hiraki
, petapan)
1
Hiraki
(Matias)
0 petapan
0
inte

0
Kairyuu

0
BK201

0 crypto
0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

1 Not Voting (mb53)

Even taking into account the pissed off selfvote I'd be surprised to learn that there were only 2 scum on that wagon considering how

fast

it happened though I can already see that's in part due to nobody special and mogri being worthless assholes. makes nora look like a good vote as i'm still thinking pine is town but we shall see

petapan · Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:09 pm

2
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
Uberninja
) L-6
2
Mogri
(Pine,
Hiraki
)
1 Pine (
Mogri
)
0 petapan
0
BK201

0
Kairyuu

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0
inte

0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

9 not voting (petapan,
BK201
,
Kairyuu
, crypto,
inte
, Matias, mb53,
Nobody Special
,
Psyche
)

Spoiler:

no major wagons form, loose votes, votes on inte are from dead scum so it's useless

7
Mogri
(Pine,
Hiraki
, petapan, crypto,
Nobody Special
,
Psyche
,
BK201
) L-1
3
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
Uberninja
, CF Riot)
1
inte
(
Kairyuu
)
1 Pine (
Mogri
)
1
Kairyuu
(
inte
)
0
Psyche

0 petapan
0
BK201

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0
Uberninja

1 not voting (Matias)

8
Mogri
(Pine,
Hiraki
, petapan, crypto,
Nobody Special
,
Psyche
,
BK201
,
inte
) LYNCH
3
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
Uberninja
, CF Riot)
1
inte
(
Kairyuu
)
1 Pine (
Mogri
)
0
Kairyuu

0
Psyche

0 petapan
0
BK201

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0
Uberninja

1 not voting (Matias)

and then mogri gets pulverized pretty fast. Two of the blues on, if we assume the third was off it puts it between nora/matias as i doubt CF riot is blue. tossup about red, hiraki was on while kairyuu and UN were whiteknighting him like crazy. not a whole lot learned here.

petapan · Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:29 pm

day 4? day 4.

Spoiler:

7
Nobody Special
(crypto,
inte
,
Uberninja
,
Psyche
, CF Riot, noraaa, Pine) LYNCH
2
Psyche
(
Hiraki
,
Nobody Special
)
0
inte

0 crypto
0 petapan
0
BK201

0
Kairyuu

0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

4 Not Voting (petapan,
BK201
,
Kairyuu
, Matias)

well that's completely fucking useless

petapan · Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:09 pm

day 5 is more useful

Spoiler:

3
Psyche
(Pine,
Hiraki
,
inte
) L-4
1
inte
(CF Riot)
1
Uberninja
(
Psyche
)
1 noraaa (
Uberninja
)
0 petapan
0
BK201

0
Kairyuu

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 Pine

6 Not Voting (petapan,
BK201
,
Kairyuu
, crypto, Matias, noraaa)

this vote right here by UN and another bit later on make me doubt the possibility of nora as a red, don't see why UN would pick a fight with nora but defend a player like d3f3nd3r who didn't stand a chance. not sure how pine got that as distancing but i'd need to check. also CF riot is still definitely not blue

Spoiler:

3
Psyche
(Pine,
Hiraki
,
inte
) L-4
3
BK201
(Matias, CF Riot,
Uberninja
)
1
Uberninja
(
Psyche
)
1 CF Riot (crypto)
1
inte
(
BK201
)
0 Pine
0 Matias
0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
Kairyuu

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

3 Not Voting (petapan,
Kairyuu
, noraaa)

the psyche and BK201 wagons start to duel. This doesn't say much about red team, but it does give info on blue.

Spoiler:

1 Not Voting (

D3f3nd3r

)[/b][/quote]

Spoiler:

6
Psyche
(
Hiraki
,
inte
, CF Riot,
BK201
,
D3f3nd3r
, Pine) L-1
5
BK201
(Matias,
Uberninja
, petapan, noraaa,
Psyche
)
0
Uberninja

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0
inte

0 Pine
0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
D3f3nd3r

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (crypto)

I really don't know what to make of this. This would reflect somewhat poorly on CF riot were it not for the other evidence pointing to him as not blue, so ignoring that...looking for the one that bussed, I guess.

Spoiler:

5
BK201
(Matias,
Uberninja
, crypto,
D3f3nd3r
,
Psyche
) L-2
4
Psyche
(
Hiraki
, CF Riot,
BK201
, Pine)
1 Pine (petapan)
1
Uberninja
(noraaa)
0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0
inte

0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
D3f3nd3r

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (
inte
)

This here is what made me doubt nora being red but I couldn't find the post where the vote was. ignoring those two wagons to try to vote UN just doesn't make me think red idk

7
BK201
(Matias,
Uberninja
, crypto,
D3f3nd3r
,
Psyche
, noraaa,
inte
) LYNCH
4
Psyche
(
Hiraki
, CF Riot,
BK201
, Pine)
1 Pine (petapan)
0
Uberninja

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0
inte

0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
D3f3nd3r

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

he gets hammered here out of inevitability. Really the only person I'd rule out as blue based on this is matias.

petapan · Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:49 pm

have i been that absent, fuck

sorry just been feelin bummed not super jazzed for playing but i'll get through this tonight, read content and reply tomorrow

day 6 here

Spoiler:

6
Psyche
(
Uberninja
,
inte
,
D3f3nd3r
,
Hiraki
, Pine, CF Riot) LYNCH
5
D3f3nd3r
(petapan, crypto, noraaa,
Psyche
, Matias)
0 Pine
0
Hiraki

0
Uberninja

0 petapan
0 crypto
0
inte

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa

0 Not Voting

really only the last votecount needs to be looked at here on this day. Basically all you can do is theorize if someone bussed or not. Might as well recheck the posts themselves though.

petapan · Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:01 pm

and here's 7 everything after is totally irrelevant

Spoiler:

6
D3f3nd3r
(Matias, noraaa, petapan, Pine, crypto,
Hiraki
) LYNCH
1
Hiraki
(CF Riot)
1 Pine (
Uberninja
)
0
Uberninja

0 petapan
0 crypto
0
inte

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa

2 Not Voting (
D3f3nd3r
,
inte
)

I felt like UN wouldn't pull some silly distancing here when he could write a ticket to lylo potentially, voting on a guy I suspected the day before but I don't know - strikes me now as possible attempt at damage control since defender's flip torpedoed them.

so basically i've confused myself a lot

petapan · Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:02 pm

pine, nora's interaction with UN doesn't look like bussing/distancing, i decided.

petapan · Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:20 pm

i skimmed some scum isos and did some ctrl+F'ing, read some posts

VOTE: Matias

too much of a wild card at this point for me to trust him, there's not a lot to go off content-wise and I don't see much mention of him from either scum team. That's my call.

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:42 am

if you want to be paid attention to at all you need to do a little more than guess

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:45 am

especially seeing as, haha, those are my town reads.

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:33 am

In post 2209, Matias wrote:Welp, they're not mine.

I mean, it doesn't matter. Just want to make sure you guys don't fuck up what should be an easy win.

well i'm literally going to lose the game if you're right. hope you're okay with that!

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:51 pm

the resignation doesn't look like a towntell (or else i'd unvote) but i really do want to hear an explanation for his reads

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:31 pm

okay, bye

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:06 pm

hahahahhahahhhHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:09 pm

3 mb53 (
BK201
,
redFF
, crypto) L-6
3
redFF
(
Vifam
,
Hiraki
, Matias)
2 Pine (
Major Minor
, BBmolla)
1
inte
(mb53)
1 crypto (Pine)
1 Matias (
Blonde Doctor
)
1 BBmolla (
Nobody Special
)
0
Blonde Doctor

0
BK201

0
Vifam

0 noraaa
0
Major Minor

0
Hiraki

0
Mogri

0
Nobody Special

0
VitorMachado

4 Not Voting (
Mogri
, noraaa,
VitorMachado
,
inte
)

congrats on being conftown CF Riot

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:11 pm

that was quoted from an my VCA before lynch obv, lmfao at 3 reds on a blue

VOTE: Pine

I want a paragon nomination if I'm right here

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:15 pm

In post 2221, noraaa wrote:

I'm never believing someone is having personal reasons why they can't post much ever again.

it is possible he was telling the truth about that, stuff happens regardless of what you are in game

In post 2222, noraaa wrote:well unless this is the most elaborate trap ever, I'll follow you here. I still am iffy about both CF and Pine so I'm fine to go either way.
vote Pine

The closer we get to endgame the more I worry that crypto is pulling the wool so far over my eyes.. but I think it's just paranoia based on the fact that if he's scum I know I'll never be able to read him.

Look at the VC I posted. CF Riot replaced mb53. CF Riot is town.

petapan · Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:18 pm

In post 2223, CF Riot wrote:
hammer: Pine

okay, since the timing of my post came after this i have to acknowledge this which ruins it but w/e. Please don't ACTUALLY hammer Pine until he is given a chance to post, tia.

petapan · Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:27 am

crypto are you scum

petapan · Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:38 am

because all game there's been a little voice in the back of my head

petapan · Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:42 pm

no, see, there are 4 reds who are dead. the red team is gone. they died. they're dead now. RIP.

there's one blue left.

and then there's this

5
redFF
(
Vifam
,
Hiraki
,
Matias
,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-4
3 mb53 (
BK201
,
redFF
, crypto)

and this

5
redFF
(
UberNinja
,
Hiraki
,
Matias
,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-4
4 BBmolla (
Psyche
,
BK201
,
Nobody Special
,
inte
)

from day 1, these idiots were tripping over themselves to save redFF

petapan · Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:53 pm

nora, vote crypto.

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:23 am

In post 2243, petapan wrote:no, see, there are 4 reds who are dead. the red team is gone. they died. they're dead now. RIP.

there's one blue left.

and then there's this

5
redFF
(
Vifam
,
Hiraki
,
Matias
,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-4
3 mb53 (
BK201
,
redFF
, crypto)

and this

5
redFF
(
UberNinja
,
Hiraki
,
Matias
,
Mogri
, BBmolla) L-4
4 BBmolla (
Psyche
,
BK201
,
Nobody Special
,
inte
)

from day 1, these idiots were tripping over themselves to save redFF

you're move.

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:39 am

VOTE: crypto

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:45 am

my point is taht, look at who those votes are on. redFF was getting wagoned day 1. his teammates tried to counter-wagon mb53, then when taht failed they tried to wagon BBmolla.

CF Riot replaced mb53, I replaced BBmolla.

i would think u'd realize this. just saiyan.

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:26 am

but w/e, maybe i'm too paranoid, fuck it

VOTE: noraaaa

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:12 pm

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:12 pm

i'm clear

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:12 pm

im completely clear

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:13 pm

i am ready to make my decision

but first

i must summon

THE LOGIC BALL

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:13 pm

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:14 pm

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:14 pm

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:14 pm

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:15 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:15 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:16 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:16 pm

logic complete

VOTE: crypto

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:17 pm

okay, i did it.

i did it guys!

did i win?

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:19 pm

yay, we did it!

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:19 pm

i figured out the mafia, guys

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:20 pm

it was me

i was the mafia all along

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:28 pm

crypto is gonna be so pissed

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:32 pm

thank god no one actually bothered to re-read the thread after matias died, that would have been really bad

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:33 pm

for me, i mean. for you guys it would have been a really really good idea

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:44 pm

i hope this dead chat is fun to read

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:48 pm

oh yeah, just want to say:

8 TeChNoWC (Kairyuu, UberNinja, Pine, Nobody Special, Mogri, noraaa, TeChNoWC, Psyche) LYNCH

8 person wagon on town, 6 town including a selfvote. how shameful is that.

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:49 pm

In post 2284, Ythan wrote:Day 9, with exactly half of the players dead, the town:scum:scum ratio was identical to the start of the game. And it ended in 3p lylo. I'm happy with this game. Great job peta.

ty, i mentioned it earlier but this is the first time i have ever won as scum in forum mafia, ever.

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:53 pm

don't have any feedback in mind except that nightless games own, was super worried about the ratios when i got my role PM but it worked out pretty great i think with me having to scumhunt the other team

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:53 pm

oh the no daytalk complicated things so much because i wanted to yell at my teammates. a lot.

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:55 pm

i had to get 3 mislynches off with probably the 4 most protown players in the game *shrugs*

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:04 pm

i like to scumhunt using ctrl + F

also, don't get the impression i super-bussed this game, the only person i turbo-bussed was inte and that was because he was going to die not matter what at that point. I slipped up terribly with regard to the RedFF lynch as well as the BK201 lynch, but most people didn't catch it - i know psyche did, and probably uberninja as well but they were both dead so ha ha ha

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:10 pm

In post 644, petapan wrote:deadline tomorrow means i guess they won't have much time to mount a defense i guess but neither is doing much and i'm not really going to cry a river if they're town

looking at ythan's prior nightless game there was a 2:1 T:S ratio so assuming numbers are kept constant that means 5 or 6 scum this game, which means 5 or 3 mislynches, respectively. 6 would be pretty rough but there tends to be a domino effect from scum lynches

I read their ISOs and mogri is worse cuz voting someone for claiming VT always rubs me the wrong way esp. in a nightless setup where any power roles would be completely gamebreaking so there are none and that being the crux of his case is absolutely stupid

VOTE: Mogri

that said redff defending his dumb earlygame policy lynch rubs me kind of the wrong way

In post 1274, Psyche wrote:petapan is fine, but potentially redff's scumbud because of the PURE inanity of 665. He initially seems to have been trying to derail the redff wagon with a mogri alternative, but 1153 suggests sincerity.

In post 665, petapan wrote:Okay sure if we get 1 more vote on red I'll jump ship

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:12 pm

In post 1860, UberNinja wrote:So, why Defend3r and not inte, petapan?

Your posts last page were way more damning of inte than of Defend3r.

(they were, but bussing wouldn't have helped me there!)

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:24 pm

i'm not sure what hiraki was upset with me for about my play, and this "putting my winning at risk" - i felt like there was 0 chance inte was going to make it to lylo and he needed to be made quiet before he gave anything away (no offense, inte). the red team played pretty tight, got the game a day within lylo but when they came down it was like dominos and i didn't want that

also the red lynches were all completely null after matias died, town should have slowed down at that point but they just didn't because history repeats itself

oh, and

Psyche
06-15-2012
11:45 AM ET (US)
Petapan's VCA method looks like something that could be totally standardized into an algorithmic scumhunting technique.

it's a nice idea in theory but it assumes rational play from everyone in the game, which is not always the case (my scumbuddies trying to make BBmolla the counter-wagon to RedFF while BBmolla was bussing him)

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:25 pm

unless he was talking about me trolling with the logic ball in which case lol

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:32 pm

i used the cat to coincide with being decidedly more troll-like, though

that cat is a very judgmental and sarcastic cat.

thank crypto for this avatar, i made this account to troll him by taking a username and avatar he used on epicmafia. as you can see, i succeeded beyond my wildest expectations

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:34 pm

In post 2322, crypto wrote:Petapan did very little outstanding busing all game and the fact that he lynched the other team meant nothing since a shorthanded blue team had to do that and i told you it wasn't a town tell so much as his effort was and i was literally thinking about it before falling asleep last night and all his scum motives dawned on me and i was ready to roll in id nora got lynched and flipped town and why the complete fuck did you HAVE to blitz a 3-way lylo while i was v/la and specifically told you not to god what the fuck is wrong with you

i tried to get you lynched over nora because i thought you were more likely to call me out

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:35 pm

it rly is

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:57 pm

pls don't quickvote in lylo ever again that's like mafia 101

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:06 pm

you don't know the case crypto would have made so you can't really be sure, i think his familiarity with my meta + the amount of evidence against me that went unnoticed, given enough time, would have made an argument that was hard for me to counter

petapan · Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:35 pm

the votecount stuff was really not much effort at all, i did all the coloring automatically using replace in notepad and then just half-heartedly went through the votes, i didn't even analyze them that well and waffled uselessly a bunch (dave said my analysis was "really gay"(dave is a heteronormative jerkface))

petapan · Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:43 am

i think your going to find that most things are fundamentally nulltells and taht everything is circumstantial

teh only tell i've heard of that tends to be strongly reliable is the amished tell and even then it becomes irrelevant if you are aware of it (i think this game i even said i didn't really read bbmolla's posts)