Mini 1354: Vedere le Viste! Game Over!

[Arugula]

VOTE: TheWorst
self-explanatory

[Arugula]

1- What alignment do you prefer playing as, town or scum?
Town. I like genuinely finding scum rather than having to fake it, but my favorite game has to be when I won as scum in MyLo.

2- How many games have you played before this one?
Between 10 and 20.

3- What is your timezone and how many times a day can we expect you to be posting?
EST, I don't know how that relates to UTC and I post a lot.

UNVOTE: TheWorst
VOTE: Konowa

Basically for reasons already stated, the reaction was scummy and pressure might help determine his alignment.

P-edit: Tangion, I think we are out of RVS now, which is good.

[Arugula]

Why the unvote?

[Arugula]

Oh. Do you think his reaction was scummy?

[Arugula]

Arugula sheeps onto my wagon with an easy “for what others said” post without actually saying anything.

Sorry I don't have groundbreaking evidence against you on Page 1.

UNVOTE: Konowa
VOTE: Thomith

He says he likes Konowa's logic and sheeps him. Then he unvotes and FoS' Konowa nine posts later. His reasoning for the FoS is that he doesn't know how many votes Konowa has (the votecount is at the top of the page, and with my unvote, I believe it is three votes) and says he doesn't like one of Konowa's posts. (Thomith, could you direct me to which one?) And then he puts down his own FoS by saying the speed of the wagon could be "telling us something". It reads to me as cautious scum trying to get on any wagon without really taking a definitive stance.

[Arugula]

That's L-2, btw.

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That is all you are saying right now?

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VOTE: Tangion
for not defending himself.

[Arugula]

I didn't want to just have an empty vote, but I'm voting Tangion for the reasons already stated and for not defending himself.

[Arugula]

The other reasons for voting Tangion are sheeping, hopping on the biggest bandwagon, etc.

Not defending one's self is scummy.

[Arugula]

Doh I feel so useless and bad in this game. Someone posts a good case and I just follow it because I don't have anything better.

VOTE: yabbaguy

Thomith, Axxle or soda is the last scum, in that order.

Thomith did not want to participate in the Tangion lynch and his whole attitude towards it was really weird.

Axxle is scummy for his random vote-swapping and reluctance to join the Tangion wagon. (His reason is that Tangion is coaching soda.)

Soda is scummy because people are giving him a townpass for no reason, which makes me question it.

[Arugula]

Arugula, I was giving soda's slot a townpass due to Thomith's "Tangion is scummy, but soda is so much more scummy that I am not going to move my vote". Thomith's interactions with known scum led me to believe that soda could not be scum.

That being said, Luckyjt's entrance has blown that belief all to hell. I really have zero idea how he believes that McStab is trying to change the wagon to his slot in a subtle manner. The lack of vote also gets me going.

unvote;
Vote: Luckyjt

I am still down for a yabba lynch, however I want to see where this goes.
Still need to hear from yabba and Thomith as well.

Thank you for responding.
@TheWorst
I am admitting to go with reasons already stated on the Tangion/Yabba wagons. It's not what I usually do, but I couldn't come up with anything on my own. I don't know what's wrong with me this game.
@Yabba
Not defending oneself is scummy because a townie's defense is genuine, and usually easier to make. A scum's defense is a lie, and a lot of scum go on the offensive instead of the defensive.

That being said, this Lucky wagon got up to L-1 before I could say penis. What the hell?

I'm pretty confident in Konowa and Scumhunter as town.

I wouldn't mind a lucky lynch, (for reasons already stated), but the wagon built up waaay too quickly. The Tangion wagon did too, though.

But I still think Yabba, Thomith, and Axxle are the scummiest.

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Yeah, I don't think McStab is scum. I will pick apart that post when I'm not on my phone.

[Arugula]

I think Thomith is the third scum.

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Wait what the hell? Why did I miss lucky claiming? Can someone point me to where it was?

Also, I just lynched someone who claimed rolecop in another game. They were the scum roleblocker. Rolecop is rarely a pro-town role, and I would be comfortable lynching a claimed one.

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Ohhhh. Thanks. It was right after my post and I guess I didn't see it.

Yeah, town rolecops aren't even that helpful, unless a rolecop lives to LyLo. But this wouldn't happen and the amount of WIFOM about whether the rolecop is town or scum would be distracting.

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As scummy as Lucky's claim sounds, I'm more inclined now to lynch the Thomith/Venmar slot. Konowa is right, that post 102 alone should be enough to warrant some serious pressure, and I think that Lucky can wait. If he is a scum PR, then he's probably being lynched tomorrow or the day after if he's still alive; if he's town, the scum will probably kill him.

Lucky, if you're town, I'd very much like it if you could investigate yabba tonight.

Vote: Thomith

You of all people should know how town rolecop fakeclaims turn out.

I don't believe Lucky's claim either. Here's the thing, though. I don't think those two are scum together.

I always hate it when someone is lynched because of their predecessor.

It makes replacing in for them useless.

Thomith was scummy, but this is just how he always plays.

Does anyone have any meta on him? Because i do, and it checks out.

Who can summarize for me why Thomith is scummy, and explain his interactions with Tangion.

McStab, how is Lucky's investigation on Yabba going to be indicative of alignment?

The bolded is ironic, you replaced out of a doomed slot in another completed game.

The underlined is an amished tell.
UNVOTE: Yabbaguy
VOTE: Venmar

After one of Lucky/Venmar flips scum, we should focus on Axxle/Yabba.

P-edit: Why the vote on Konowa?

[Arugula]

Sorry to disappoint you, but your condescending attitude doesn't help me believe you are town. :/

[Arugula]

What kind of attitude fits your description of town?

One that doesn't purposely try to rile people up. AKA not you.

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And boom goes the dynamite. Say what Venmar?

I want to wait for Lucky before i consider changing my vote. I strongly believe Konowa is scum, so I want to hear from Lucky and see what he has to say. I am leaning scum on him as well.

But in post 261........

Lynch him please.

Good catch.

Fine. I am going out soon to see a movie, if i am still alive when i get back I'll get around to addressing some things.

This wagon on me is bad though.

No it's not.

[Arugula]

Yabba is not being lynched.

This is problematic.

Seriously, the guy flat out contradicted himself and was on the biggest counter-wagon to Tang. WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE DEAD YET!!! The case on lucky is paper-thin, and we should give Thomith's replacement time to acclimate into the game (although I do think Thomith/Venmar is likely the third scum).

Yabba is not scumhunting at all. HE HAS NOT EVEN VOTED TODAY!!! Please, for the love of God lynch this guy.

Why are you so desperate for Yabba to be lynched? If you think Venmar/Thomith is scum, then hop on!

[Arugula]

I agree his contradiction is scummy, and I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch, but not scumhunting is anti-town, not scummy.

Venmar is scummier.

[Arugula]

His blatant switch from calling Lucky town to scum. He has a survivalist strategy that most scum have.

[Arugula]

Is somehow worse than Yabba's blatant switch from calling Konowa a townwagon to voting for him when Konowa became the largest counterwagon to Yabba's partner?

Yup

[Arugula]

Yabba's actions can be explained by a townie trying to put pressure elsewhere, or not liking the speed of the Tangion wagon.

Venmar's actions can be explained by being scum and having fake reads that change with the wind.

[Arugula]

Why isn't Venmar dead yet?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yabba

Bub, just curious, what was your motivation behind watching RXK?

[Arugula]

Ooooh oooh investigate me! LOL why is everyone doing that.

[Arugula]

VOTE: Venmar

[Arugula]

Actually
UNVOTE: until lucky posts his results, if he is in fact telling the truth.

Odd nightkill...

[Arugula]

I'm a VT.

UNVOTE: Venmar
VOTE: Axxle

He wants to kill a useful PR to get a useless PR confirmed. I am confident in both Venmar and Lucky being town now. Venmar's claim seems to obscure for him to fake, and lucky's willingness to lunch Venmar to confirm his alignment reads as town.

Also, Axxle is lining up Bub's lynch. (Who I am a little unnerved about)

P-edit: Wut

[Arugula]

@TheWorst, I guess I missed your other post.

I thought Axxle was scummy before for his constant vote swapping (bad votes, that is), low content, and gut.

[Arugula]

@TheWorst
How do you know how I act as town/scum?

[Arugula]

Bub, why did you choose to watch RXK N1? That's the only doubt I have in your claim.

[Arugula]

VOTE: TheWorst

I doubt there are four power roles on the town side.

[Arugula]

OK

[Arugula]

UNVOTE: TheWorst
Man I thought we won.

But I dislike how Elmo is trying to get a PR lynched.

[Arugula]

^^Nope

I'm thinking Elmo or McStab.

VOTE: Elmo

McStab seems too certain that this game will go to LyLo. I don't like it, but Elmo's wanting to kill a PR is scummier.

[Arugula]

Not if they are scum.

[Arugula]

Why are you voting for me? Elmo wants to lynch a PR. How is that pro-town at all?

At least let lucky rolecop me and clear me. Elmo isn't safe enough to keep around. And McStab even said he needs to die.

[Arugula]

But I want to be alive to win....Fine

[Arugula]

I don't buy your explanation. And you shouldn't call me an idiot when you can't spell my name or use proper grammar. *You're

[Arugula]

Can we pleeease lynch Elmo? I rarely survive and win as town.

[Arugula]

Meh I was in a really tough spot. I wasn't really paying attention to this game Day 1 and then Tangion died and I was like...and then yabba was really good in the QT and I got re-energized and then he died...

I couldn't really argue against my own lynch today. If I fought too desperately, I would look like scum, so I tried to pull off a townie who just wanted to stay alive, but it didn't work. Good job town!

[Arugula]

It's in Phil's post.

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Oh, and Venmar, I killed you because I knew you were going to confirm Lucky, and there was an outside chance that could lead to Bub's lynch. I also didn't want you to confirm a non-PR later on.