NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

DeasVail · Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:06 am

I do not support a FakeGod wagon, but I am not completely against it either.

DeasVail · Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:39 am

In post 2568, DLG wrote:
In post 2561, DeasVail wrote:I do not support a FakeGod wagon, but I am not completely against it either.

Oh, look! I found the
Fencesitter
.

Is that traditionally a scum role or a Town role?

Traditionally scum, but I only ever draw it as town.

DeasVail · Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:46 pm

Why do you think OGML is town?

DeasVail · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:02 am

I don't remember making any such deal, DLG.

I was trying to get a wagon on OGML yesterday, and I still think he's likely scum (especially considering my abundant townreads). Rereading, the most town thing I find about him is not providing reasoning with who he thinks LLD was connected to. Scum would not make such statements without reasoning to back it up, and generally like to show off any analysis they do, so I think it's a pretty good reason to think him town. I still think he's scummy, but would like thoughts on this before having his wagon proceed.

Unvote

I honestly don't see a good reason to consider Benmage scum. It seems to have stemmed from the whole LLD thing, which is a towntell if anything because he had no way of knowing either he or LLD would die anytime soon, so it just seems really necessary. Why not wagon LLD in opposition to Fallman instead? That would make much more sense for scum as in most people's eyes it would be a much more town move.

I think I stated my townreads in a recent post, so pretty much anyone who's not them is a scumread. I'd probably be most confident on maxwell right now, but no one seems to want to lynch him.

DeasVail · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:27 pm

In post 2592, DeasVail wrote:Rereading, the most town thing I find about him is not providing reasoning with who he thinks LLD was connected to. Scum would not make such statements without reasoning to back it up, and generally like to show off any analysis they do, so I think it's a pretty good reason to think him town. I still think he's scummy, but would like thoughts on this before having his wagon proceed.

DeasVail · Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:46 pm

Sorry, I'm probably missing something and don't have time to look for it right now, but what's this thing about OGML being a scum PR?

DeasVail · Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:08 pm

In post 2618, Maxous wrote:He thinks scum are setting up wagons to save ogml because he is important

That is silly.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:31 am

OGML quicklynch go.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:34 am

In post 2638, Code_X wrote:You drunk DV?

No.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:46 pm

In post 2592, DeasVail wrote:I was trying to get a wagon on OGML yesterday, and I still think he's likely scum (especially considering my abundant townreads). Rereading, the most town thing I find about him is not providing reasoning with who he thinks LLD was connected to. Scum would not make such statements without reasoning to back it up, and generally like to show off any analysis they do, so I think it's a pretty good reason to think him town. I still think he's scummy, but would like thoughts on this before having his wagon proceed

Can I have thoughts on this please?

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:41 pm

In post 2646, Psyche wrote:I'll finish it later. I want it to be good so you guys will be able to forgive me.

There's something off about this.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:25 pm

What's off is your focus on making the post of a certain standard, rather than posting thoughts as you have them for us to discuss.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:38 pm

In post 2656, Code_X wrote:Hey Red actually maybe you could grace us with some reads and some actual content.

Go on I dare you.

It's probably better if he doesn't tbh.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:07 pm

I think he's town, and it's more pleasant if he doesn't post.

DeasVail · Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:38 am

In post 2660, FakeGod wrote:@DV: how does that makes sense?

It makes sense to me anyway

And more of

as no one wants to talk about OGML with me

DeasVail · Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:44 am

VOTE: maxwell

I feel that he is the most likely to be scum, so I'd really like a wagon on him.

Just ISO him or read what I've already said about him. His latest post of "If you don't do this I'll vote for you" is not genuine scumhunting at all, because it's not actually considering whether it makes him likely scum or not, and if anything, it's the opposite of what he should be doing. Also gives him an excuse to hop onto the wagon rather than awkwardly hang around not knowing what to do.

DeasVail · Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:45 am

*whether it makes OGML likely scum or not

DeasVail · Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:54 pm

What does rach have to do with your claim?

DeasVail · Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:56 am

Ok, so I can only be in this game for one more week before I'll have to replace out. Sorry about this. I do have lots of free time at the moment though, so I will try to clarify my thoughts on players over the next few days if I am not replaced in the meantime.

DeasVail · Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:24 am

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

The theory arises from LLD, who was apparently protected by RedFF, dying.

DeasVail · Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:39 am

In post 2723, Benmage wrote:That is interesting..... with the lie it is almost certainly a nontown role.

It does raise the possibility of a 2 team scum .... but I would've expected crosskills by now.... if there is 2 teams I'd wager SC is scum, thinking I was opposing scum.

Butttt I think he's an sk. That said I wanna play sk pet and direct the shot.

Bbl. When on a computer.

Yep, I agree with this. If he's non-town, he'll either be useful to us (through shot directing) or he'll be proven as non-town.

DeasVail · Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:47 am

I'm not sure whether we should massclaim or not. I'll leave it up to you guys.

DeasVail · Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:39 am

Someone kill maxwell at some point please.

DeasVail · Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:33 pm

Maxwell

In 2296, his description of Junpei's reaction as screamingly obvious town is scummy. First, this is more certainty than you'd be likely to get from someone who doesn't know his alignment, and considering the popular opinion being Junpei-scum at the time, it looks a lot like scum trying to follow a different belief from his buddies, without actually doing anything to stop a Junpei lynch.

In regards to the Junpei lynch, the only comments that could be seen as anything resembling an attempt at diverting it are made to LLD, making them more likely buddies in my opinion.

Also, what I said in 2687. Maxwell's response, saying that I'm "completely off-base" when I don't see how my post could be interpreted that way. And for some reason tries to defend himself by saying I missed the first part of the post, when I didn't and it actually doesn't have much to do with my point at all.

StrangerCoug

Haven't been paying as much attention to him, but he can't be scum with LLD (for obv reasons). I could maybe buy him being on a different scumteam, but he seems like what I'd expect from him as town.

VisMaior

Can be sorted out later.

RachMarie

Probably town, but don't assume so, because the lack of kill/roleblock night 2 is weird.

DLG

Probably town.

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More later.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:04 am

In post 2766, maxwell wrote:No, he was screamingly obvious town, sorry you're too fucking incompetent at this game to be able to read him or me correctly.

Look at the attitude!

Look at how exaggerated it is!

It's scum trying to have a town response, but not actually a town response!

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:23 am

In post 2782, maxwell wrote:No, you're actually stupid and unbearable to read with your anti-logic. Genuinely.

Stupid does not equal incorrect.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:38 am

It's usually pretty easy to fabricate opinions and justifications as scum.

There is no reason for scum to stall considering the above and even if not, it just attracts attention to them and doesn't help their situation. SO, the perceived stalling is much more likely to not be all that related to alignment.

Where your reasoning is wrong: You say that if you express a problem with the stalling and OGML continues stalling, then you somehow have more reason to vote for him. However, you are not actually considering that scum would no way intentionally keep stalling after that, and that continued stalling would in fact mean that the stalling is most likely not influenced by OGML's alignment.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:46 pm

Maxwell:

In post 2745, PeregrineV wrote:Replacing:
DeasVail

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Also,

FakeGod please claim.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:48 pm

By the way, why is the main problem me not agreeing with everyone else rather than me being wrong about you?

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:07 pm

Leave FakeGod alive.

The "I have my reasons" made sense as a softclaim to me at the time.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:07 pm

N2 target?

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:47 pm

Hmm why did you save him N2?

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:47 pm

Eh, I don't know. First time I got weak doc, my plan was completely different.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:02 pm

I don't think we should lynch him (at least not yet) though.

FG, if you are weak doc, either target someone where it'd be useful to have an indication of their alignment, or someone who is likely to be killed by scum. There are two options I see:

1) Have him claim who he is going to doc. The problem I have with this option is that the only purpose is to know who he targeted if he dies, but scum killing him would make things confusing considering the number of kills and the possibility if kills being blocked.

2) Only reveal who he protected the following day. Hides from scum who he is going to target, but leaves us in the dark if he targets scum.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:03 pm

I don't see how it's particularly unlikely that there is both a weak doctor and doctor in this game.

I do think FakeGod could be scum, but I think it's better not lynching him now because of the chance that he is town (and there are things which lead me to think he could be town: his softclaim and claiming with a claimed doc).

I think it's better to run up someone else to claim (maxwell please?) and then probably lynch them.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:04 pm

In post 2818, RachMarie wrote:Umm FG if you are a weak doc and die when protecting scum instead of town then why did you not die for protecting LLD who was the Mafia Godfather. Your claim is not adding up here.

Do you think that makes him more likely scum?

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:09 pm

In post 2821, Code_X wrote:DeasVail is probably scum.

ok.

DeasVail · Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:50 pm

In post 2823, RachMarie wrote:@ DV can you understand my skepticism here and wanting a bit more clarification?

Yes, but you haven't answered my question, which you seem to have interpreted as an accusation.

DeasVail · Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:39 am

Ok, so in case I'm replaced, I don't really have much more to say other than that Code/Maxous/Benmage are my other townreads, but I do have doubts about them. Everything else, I've already said.

I may get around to trying to read them better if I'm not, but I don't know how likely this is, as lately I think I have free time, but then other stuff I have to do always pops up.

DeasVail · Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:41 am

Great job modding PV, and sorry for replacing out, and sorry to Quil about how things turned out.

And yeah, I felt as if I really should have been able to use the JOAT powers better, but ended up having nothing of use. I really thought that someone would at least visit TML Night 2! Any advice on what I could have done differently?

Also, well done to the scum!