Micro 4 - Double Day Unlimited (Over)

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Om of the Nom
Guys, I caught scum already.

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Scum claim much.

VOTE: Om of the Nom
Guys, I caught scum already.

Yep.

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Tell me honestly, what do you expect to get out of that?

Am I supposed to know?

UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE: Om of the Nom
There :P

People would have reacted to the self-vote and then stuff could have happened from that.

The fact that people expected me to think before I self-voted baffles me :/

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Also here's the expected IT WAS TO GET REACTIONS from Om. What reactions were you looking for? What would indicate town or scum? What have you found so far? Why have you called it off? Why are you not voting?

Your self-vote shows unwillingness to point fingers yourself, which suggests scum not wanting to ruffle any feathers.

Anything.
I wouldn't know until I saw.
Not much.
I thought I was at L-1 at the time.
No suspects.

However, this sentence at the end sounds like reaching to me.

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What I'm having difficulty believing is that you have not gained anything from it whatsoever, or at least nothing you are mentioning. What does each player's reaction, or lack of it, tell you? There's no way you're letting this go as a reaction test without showing something for it.

Oh, and you're not voting because you have no suspects. Good, that means you're out of RVS. Oh, but then bad - why aren't you doing anything about having no suspects?

Well your reaction makes me lean town. Everyone else is null since there was no reaction from them.
Give me time, I'm feeling rather lazy right now.

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Om (#43)

- Town read on me? That kinda contradicts the "that looks like reaching" comment.

CAN'T YOU SEE?
I'M CLEARLY SETTING MYSELF UP TO JUMP ON YOU LATER.

nah, I just think your towniness outweighs your potential reaching.

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OmNom lean scum.

Why?

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@Om

- Reads now please.

Welp, after recent developments IceGuy is scum.
You are town.
I am leaning scum on Kcda due to gut.
Fate is probably town.
Yos is probably town.
Not sure on the rest.

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OmNom and UberNinja as people who often get lynched early

I can confirm this.
People dun liek mah style.

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Shit man, IceGuy is being pretty convincing.
I agree with a lot of his Jarvis case, but I'd rather see a reaction from Jarvis before I vote.
I was actually a little weary of Yos earlier. IceGuy just convinced me further of that read.
VOTE: Yosarian2

N parking his vote on ABR for shit reasons is pretty bad considering the amount of content already in the game.
Who do you think is scum and why?

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Fate...
You're too predictable...
I knew you would vote me for that.

PEDIT: It was at you. Stop with the waffles, and give more reasons.

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Uhhh, it's page 4 and IceGuy has certainly managed to give great reasoning >_>
It's the same amount of pages for him as it is for you.

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It's actually rather comfortable up here.
But still, nice way to avoid giving reasons.

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Well, I can give more reasons if you want.
Like so:
My Kcda gut scumread is probably to do with his meta and the fact that I'm not getting the same feeling I am from his posts than I was in another game I played where he was town.
The Jarvis townread at that time was because he was being rather active and asking lots of questions which is a pro-town thing.
The Yos town read at that time came from the fact that my gut was calling him town.
The IceGuy scumread came from how he was being largely unhelpful at the time, as was already addressed by like everyone by then.

The current Jarvis scumread comes from what IceGuy said as I explained earlier. The same thing is with my Yos read too, although with Yos I was a little suspicious beforehand, mainly from how I felt nothing really game related from his posts (kinda like what IceGuy was getting at).
IceGuy is obvtown to me now, though I could be putting a bit too much stock into this because his ass is rather nice to live in.
ABR hasn't done too much yet, but I'd rather wait a bit longer before making any further decisions on him.

And lastly, N is someone who has been bordering on a scumread with me since like page 3 or something, but he hasn't really left null-territory just yet. I feel N isn't really following through with a lot of his attacks (like his attacks on me right now, it looks like they constitute a legit scumread on me, yet I don't see a vote on me or a reason for not having a vote on me right now). Plus he is being a tad bit opportunistic in some of his votes.

Is this what you were after?

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No, I personally have trouble elaborating myself, so I'm not expecting you to go completely in-depth. Just explain your reasons a little more, and possibly give a few more reasons if applicable.
You shouldn't judge pro-towniness by post count alone. Otherwise with this post I'm the towniest tied with Fate.
What do you think of the fact that I've moved on from RVS shennanigans but Kcda hasn't really yet?
Didn't you ever think that Jarvis and Yos could just be waiting for a better moment to lynch a player so they don't look suspicious later on in the game?
I agree with what you say about UN. He certainly is the type of player who loves to dominate the game, so his replacing out in that manner does strike me as town-UN.
Why exactly does IceGuy lean town to you?
Do you think the "content" in Albert's posts are coming from town or scum?
If Fate's posts are supposedly full of one-liners, is he town or scum?
I'll be nicer to you then, considering this is your first game. Though tbh you're playing rather decently so far.
I never said you have to think I'm scum. I just said that what you're attacking me for could make for a legitimate case on me, and I haven't seen a reason for you not to be voting for me yet (though I guess you kinda did address it earlier in your post just then).

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If you hammer IceGuy and he flips town, I won't hesitate to hammer you.
However, if he flips scum, I will have to do some work with finding connections between people.

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I knew you would use that reasoning too.
Fate, stop trying to hide how predictable you are.

I am always self-conscious of my play. I love to be the townieobvtown in the game :D
But like, if I knew you would vote me for it, why would I have said it? I realise this borders into WIFOM territory, but please, do give your best explanation.

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No, playing the newbie card makes me go easier on you if you don't exactly understand things.
I can still attack with full force if I need to.

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I've never played with Om before - at least not to my memory, which I'm pretty confident in.

Which is irrelevant. I think I've already played with OmNom but it's not easy to miss his reputation if you're often around the site.

Yes, we have played together, in a game where I got NK'ed on N2 for doing basically nothing lol.

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Lol.
I'd love to see everyone's reactions when I flip town.
Where will you all stand on your IceGuy read if I flip town?
(postan from school)

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No way you'd be arrogant enough to think you'd have read me right D1.

Are you serious?
Calling me not arrogant enough?
Bitch please, get to know my meta more.

Also I don't even have a complete read on you yet. Right now I'm wondering if you're playing bad or scum.

(back from school)

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Since a lot of you guys are clueless on how I play, I'm going to be nice and give you some of my meta.

Scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22365 (won, 5p Vengeful. Lynched buddy D1 and survived till endgame)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22421 (lost, lynched D2)

Town:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22693 (lost, also I was teaching someone in a teaching hydra, so I was focusing on that a bit more than I was on playing normally)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21960 (lost)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21788 (lost)

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Last time I saw Jarvis onsite was when he was playing in a game with Shadoweh I think.
That was around the time I had my first (and only) newbie game.

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Oh yeah, I should update my wiki. My self-meta tells are out of date.
I'd link to some games to show certain things but they're ongoing.

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This game is more like how I play now.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22964

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All I see there is that you are much more inclined to give your own opinions and make cases as town, while your scum play is more reserved and has you seemingly withholding opinions. I see the latter here, without a doubt.

The only thing you really got correct here that applies to my current meta is that I'm more reserved as scum.
Really, I use a lot of gut reads as either alignment, so I don't always give opinions anyway.
I only ever make cases if I'm really bored, or people are being stupid and not lynching obvscum. However right now I don't have any obvscum reads and so I'm just sheeping people.

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~High activity, especially near the start of the game

~Lower activity

Name: Om of the Nom Postcount: 28 (as of this post)

Yep, I already have the highest postcount in the game, I'm totally scum for low activity.

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There, now it's much more accurate :D

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Oh look at that: your new and improved towntells are just like how you're playing this game! What an unbelievable coincidence!

So you're saying that I would go out of my way to edit my wiki (that anyone can see) just so that I could be cleared in this game alone?

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You realise how stupid that is, right?

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*facepalm*
Why would I do it as scum?

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Because my self-meta needs updating.

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Hey look!
More scum meta!
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22864
I won this game.

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And like, numerous other games too.

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Did I mention this game where I was town and I play almost exactly the same way as I'm doing here?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22964

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~Extreme buddying of awesome people - Posts 9, 11, 13, 17, 24, 26, 32 in Isolation (note, this includes calling someone obvtown with no explanation whatsoever, even when asked)
~Fluffing it up like a mofo - Posts 14, 15, 16 in Isolation

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You should feel glad that you have basically just murdered my motivation for posting in this game till I get home from school tomorrow.

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VOTE: Jarvis
Guys, I'll have you know I have used self-meta a lot as town, and I definitely can back that up.

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Oh wow. Congrats on being terrible, IceGuy.

This doesn't sound like a townie reaction. I would think town would be more angry at the fact that they lynched a townie than the fact that that townie played "horribly" (IceGuy was obvtown you fuckers).

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IceGuy (5) - Kcdaspot, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, N, Jarvis

So Kcda was in the middle of being replaced and ABR was on V/LA...
Yep, this sounds like an opportunistic scum wagon to me.
One of Yos/Jarvis is definitely scum, and right now I'm leaning towards Jarvis. N may or may not be scum, I haven't decided yet.

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Eh, my town meta and my scum meta can be very distinct. I can either play like my old town meta or the new tells I put on my wiki recently when I'm town. But when I'm scum, right now I seem to play inbetween them.

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No idea, Id rather wait for a scumflip before looking for connections.

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Yeah I feel the same way.

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No, I agree with your opinion on Jarvis, in that he most likely isn't bussing himself, but is getting bussed instead.

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I hope I'm not the only one who finds it odd that Fate didn't put a vote down.

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Arguing with you is starting to become too much effort.

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No, it just means I won't bother with you as much as I will with other people.
I'm still town even if it means I won't be as vocal with some people.

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Hi guys.
Fate is scum.
VOTE: Fate
Explanation will come very soon.

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Okay, basically my explanation is that Fate and Jarvis both started off barely mentioning each other, then all of a sudden Fate is sheeping Jarvis to vote me, which comes out of absolutely nowhere and to me looks like they're both trying to mislynch me because I'm an easy target.
Then later on Fate does a random 180 on Jarvis as soon as his lynch becomes viable, while also continuing to vote me so he actually looks somewhat consistent.

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Just vote Fate plz.

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Fate has not been transparent at all, he's just jumping on almost every single viable wagon there is.

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Not fence-sitting doesn't mean he's town.

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Oh wait, he doesn't sheep Jarvis onto me, he does it onto N.

Are you really saying you knew of these three players Yos referenced? Names please.

Vote: N

FIRST CASE SHEEP TIME

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Well do you think Fate would have sheeped scum?

PEDIT: Well right now I think Fate is scum, which means by POE everyone else is town. If Fate magically flipped town N would be my best guess.

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Well I don't see any reason to call him town.
All you have to call him town are things that can easily be faked as scum.

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I thinks it's more the fact that he was completely oblivious to the fact that he just hammered Jarvis.

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I think that was just accidental, and alignment-independent.

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Oh yeah, it was also his birthday yesterday. Happy birthday ABR :D

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I am disappointed that you're still considering me, but oh well, that's a start at least.

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Fate, are you seriously using that as a defense?
You're not buddies because you "accidentally" hammered him?
Like seriously, you can do WAY better than that.
You can't even prove it was accidental.

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Damnit N, stop stealing my lines :P

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Yeah, I read it and I'm not a moron. It told me it was either staged, or a stupid derpbussing hammer.

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If I'm scum, don't you think it'd be much more beneficial for me to get rid of you (who had a scumread on me and could probably easily get me lynched) instead of Yos (who was actually getting some suspicion yesterday and doesn't have a scumread on me)?

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I don't find Jarvis/Om unlikely at all. I never give credit to bullshit "well these two CAN"T be scum together" things

because when scum KNOW eachotehr are scum they can often stage things so that they look like they aren't buddies.

Oh the irony.
PEDIT: Uhhh, because you could just as easily get me lynched instead. Plus, if you flipped town I'd probably be doomed.

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I realize its also possible Om isn't as good a player as I had hoped, and I'm putting too much expectations on him.

So you're willing to throw out your

whole

case on me because I'm supposedly not as good as you think? Yep, scum here.

In reality its probably best to have Maestro lynched, because of how UberNinja replaced out as scum when his buddy was under pressure and didn't feel like playing. I mean, fuck UN and that shits blacklistable, but it doesn't change the fact that it makes Maestro more than likely scum

Vote: Maestro

Flail more please. Got any more suspects too?

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Mehdi, stop being oblivious to the scum in front of us and vote Fate please.

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So you don't find it suspicious that right now he's voting half the game with one scum alive? And also that he's willing to throw out a sure-fire scumread on me just because I may not be as good as he thought I was?
Like seriously, don't you think this outweighs your easily faked towntells?

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I always assumed your style was 'BE AGGRESSIVE! CONSTANT VIGILANCE!"
I have not seen you go on a single caps rage this whole game. This is really not befitting of your town meta.

Also hey, self-meta is useless, remember?

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No, it's quite a common thing for Fate to do as town when he's definitely sure someone is scum.
He seems really sure that one of N/Maestro/Myself is scum, yet I haven't seen any yelling at any of us.

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I'm at a 1 for 3 in scum lynches, let's make it 2 for 4!
VOTE: ABR

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Om is probably town.

nice flipflop

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You made 5 back to back posts anyway...

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Om is probably town. Jarvis could not have bussed him so obviously coming off of the Iceguy mislynch. He knew he was going to die and needed to ignore his buddy.

Of all my points this one is the weakest, because Jarvis was not a strong player. He might have said screw it im going down im going to distance from Om and try to make Fate look like my partner.

I find it rather coincidental that you only mention this now.

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Uhhh, I do have school you know...

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ABR needs to die next.

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Because he's the last scum.

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He was never here until last page.

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Because gut.
Though my gut is now telling me you're scum too, so now I'm conflicted.