A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Tyene Sand]

It depends. Are you town, BB?

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

CHOOSE: Tammy

[Tyene Sand]

Of course, screwing up already.

UNCHOOSE: Tammy
CHOOSE: Lyanna Stark

[Tyene Sand]

I'm not Tammy, Minimum, I'm Tierce. Tammy = Lyanna.

UNVOTE: MagnaofIllusion
VOTE: Starbuck


I'd rather not pre-determine the suicide vig's target, since town picks worse than random most of the time anyway due to scum input.

[Tyene Sand]

Why is everyone choosing so whimsically? It should be peoples #2 scum suspect... and it pointless to do now.

What makes you think the choices have been whimsical? Mine was far from it.

Choosing should be policy lynch central since I can easily imagine choosing scum and giving that scumbag a strongman vig being worse for the town than taking out 2 townies that would otherwise get mislynched or screw up in some other way.

Giving potential scum a vig N1 does not seem, in any way, a harmful thing. Unless they have day powers, there is no way they will know for certain who is a PR come N1. A 1-for-1 trade when we are at the least-information state would be wonderful, though the odds obviously are on town-killing-other-town. Scum getting a suicide vig that they

must

use on N1 would be the least of our problems.

I'd rather not pre-determine the suicide vig's target, since town picks worse than random most of the time anyway due to scum input.

This is a thoroughly weird statement. If it were true, how would towns ever lynch correctly?

I agree with Dolorous, to an extent. This is a suicide mission, so we have no way of forcing the assassin to kill who we want. Therefore the ultimate decision lies with the vig, but in the meantime we should of course offer our input. What does it matter anyway how we dispose of suspect players? From the scumhunting point of view, none. Everything we say will influence the choice made by whoever we eventually send, and right or wrong, what we say will be used to determine where our own loyalties lie.

Choose: Tyene Sand

It's a true statement, and I find it odd that you of all people would take issue with it--town

does

vote/lynch worse than random in most situations. Scumhunting is hard, otherwise the game would be no fun. A town vig is town and town alone, and even if they get things wrong, we know there was no tampering, etc. (They'll be dead anyway, so motivation is kind of pointless but still.) PEdit: O

Has

hai Cow.

There is nothing wrong with stating who we'd like to be our nominal Jon Snow, but I disagree with attempts to direct actions on N1.

[Tyene Sand]

UNCHOOSE: Lyanna Stark
CHOOSE: Feysal

PEdit: That.

[Tyene Sand]

Don't be stupid, you two.

EBWOP: Edd and Tyene, that is.

It's far likely that this is multiball due to several factors, but I hate the way it was worded: Feysal isn't one to gloss over something he's just

assuming

, he's likely to explain it thoroughly.

[Tyene Sand]

This is multiball?

How can you be so sure (unless it's made obv somewhere)?

PEdit: That.

Obviously I cannot be certain. That would be part of why I referred to a cross kill as the best case scenario.

But seriously - we have a large theme with 28 players, prequels most of which had two scum teams, and even in the few snippets of flavor we've seen there have been references to multiple threats.

Of course

I expect this to be multiball.

See, this is my problem. I'd expect you to mention this on the

previous

post, not now as an afterthought of something you're just

assuming

. From other people I might have taken it in stride because there

are

plenty of factors pointing to multiball, but from

you

, Mr. Paranoid Waller Of Everything Explained To The Last Inch? You glossed over your best case scenario-build-possibility in a manner that rubs me the wrong way.

[Tyene Sand]

Starbuck: Scum won't choose other scum. Scum will choose town. But it's still a 1:1 result on N1, which would benefit town since there's more town than scum to begin with. Choosing someone

you know

to be town (i.e. yourself) is stupid, because odds are you're going to end up shooting town since there's more town than scum, and then it's 2:0. Best odds for town is choosing-town-who-shoots-scum, another 1:1, but it's not very likely to happen.

Make sense?

UNVOTE: Starbuck
VOTE: Feysal

[Tyene Sand]

EBWOP:

Starbuck: Scum won't

shoot

other scum. Scum will

shoot

town.

Similar sounds past 3 am. -_- Bite me, English.

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: redFF

Unnecessary posturing.

[Tyene Sand]

Let's reverse that, actually.

UNCHOOSE: redFF
CHOOSE: Feysal

UNVOTE: Feysal
VOTE: redFF

[Tyene Sand]

you don't get something

Starbuck appears to be hopeless (sic) confused about

And this is why that Starbuck wagon is a terrible idea.

I believe there are intelligent minds even outside Dorne, and thus suspect the votes still on Starbuck after her confusion became patent. However, I very much disagree with Pandoreh that Dolorous Edd is the most egregious of those voters; he seems mostly confused, too (Does the Wall freeze your brains as well as your minds, oh Watchman?), while redFF is openly

chiding

Starbuck in a way that is quite improbable as someone who is trying to figure out her alignment. As I doubt redFF is town gone into rabid tunnel mode 90 posts in, his behavior is highly suspect and merits a lovely

wedding

wagon and painful death.

[Tyene Sand]

Why would anyone suspect this to be multiball? The last Game of Thrones mafia wasn't.

The last game was not 28 players, though. This is also a bit of mod meta; Faraday is aware that games above 23-24 players usually need multiple factions to ensure a semi-decent number of Days, otherwise this turns into Chess Mafia and we'll be here until next Summer in Westeros seasons.

What

is

suspect about this multiball thing (by all means, pappums--go read a few Feysal posts elsewhere) is the offhanded way Feysal addressed it, as anyone who has read or played with him will realize. Feysal has a tendency to wax prose over every single point that is not an established fact, and here there was an 'assumption' that he simply took and ran with without developing it. It feels awkward, out of place--as if it is already fact for him because he knows his scumteam is too small to be alone.


And if, by chance, he is not a traitorous servant of the enemy, this is most certainly a man I trust with killing that bastard on the Wall.

[Tyene Sand]

While not everyone can have a Dornishman's cunning wit and quick mind,

do

try to make sure to iron out that hydra dissonance. It can be quite bothersome. I do trust you are not some maddened Targaryens, but for the sake of appearances, please.

Feysal was town in GvE and wrote

essays

, Shadow-head. As he did in Chrono Trigger as scum. But there are differences--and glossing over assumptions is quite drastic from our loquacious friend.

I do, however, disagree with the Antipodal-Head's theory-attack at this stage in the game.

[Tyene Sand]

Why is everyone choosing so whimsically? It should be peoples #2 scum suspect... and it pointless to do now.

What makes you think the choices have been whimsical? Mine was far from it.

Of course, screwing up already.

UNCHOOSE: Tammy
CHOOSE: Lyanna Stark

This is the 5th post in the game.. and you're telling me this wasn't done whimsically???

I am. What of it?

Benmage, what is it with the order you're reading the game in? It doesn't look like you're ISOing anyone in particular, but the posts you're quoting are from back, forth and all over the place.


Adding a bit more to what Regfan said about Pandora being town: moreso than Shadoweh revealing identities, I believe that Quilford's post in straight contradiction of what she had done (defending Feysal followed by voting Feysal) is a towntell. Quilford was aware of Shadoweh's post when he clicked Submit the final time; I expect that, as scum, he'd stop and talk with his hydra buddy to make sure their 'reads' were aligning. As town, he had no issue with the dissonance that came out of it. (But really, iron it out, you're playing in a single slot.)


At a glance, the Salamence wagon is dull and predictable like my uncle. I have no intention to be part of it.


Lady Stark's notions of 'honor' are quite interesting. 'Honor' is a cumbersome and inefficient thing that one is likely to die from. The Crown calls, you answer--or do you want to cause

yet another

civil war, little wolf? Why are you not Choosing someone?


PEdit: And there go the Walls. Will check this last page later, I need to

milk the serpents

get groceries.

~Post in main deleted

[Tyene Sand]

[Your first Choosing]

is the 5th post in the game.. and you're telling me this wasn't done whimsically???

I am. What of it?

Benmage, what is it with the order you're reading the game in? It doesn't look like you're ISOing anyone in particular, but the posts you're quoting are from back, forth and all over the place.

Oh ok.. you were using your rvs choose as if it meant something... well it didn't.

And I was commenting on concurrent things while going back and catchingup.

I've played with Tammy before. She is a decent scumhunter, but gets too wrapped in emotions during the game. (A funny thing, that, as one might expect the Starks to be as dead inside as their winters.) Would I trust her with a gun N1, if she is town? Yes. Would I have her out of the game N1? Yes. This is not Whimsy, and was not particularly RVSy. Either way, I believe this line of pursuit isn't taking either of us anywhere.

(For the sake of comparison, I would not do the same with Amrun, who is someone that, if she were playing, I would also have out of the game early, but whom I do not trust with a gun.)

[Tyene Sand]

Benmage, while you are at it, please explain your Other section. What does this mean and why are these four players in this set?

BB, why are you focusing on others' reads on you? And why is Salamence scum?


That is duty, not honor~

[Tyene Sand]

I find it curious that you have null reads on three of the weakest players in the game.


How sad that this thread would ignore redFF's scumminess. Minimum is a bad lynch and, moreover, we wouldn't want to ruin CES's record of not getting lynched, now would we?

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: Minimum

[Tyene Sand]

That would require me trusting him with a gun. All things being equal, I'd rather the better player gets Chosen over Lynched. Yes, if they are scum they'll make a better shot for their faction, but I find it very unlikely that the scumteam(s) are all composed of idiots who can't pick out a good N1 extra kill even if we Choose derpscum. Therefore, I want to pick a good player who has a decent chance of flipping scum, as that gives us a better chance of hitting scum if the suicide bomber is actually town.

Ergo, Minimum is a far better Choice than redFF and

you

should have your choice/vote flipped around, not I.

[Tyene Sand]

MoI: I was being facetious; picking up on tone in that sentence should not be that difficult. And I've explained why I think Choosing Minimum is far wiser than Lynching them. Please try to keep up.

Edd, you're going down a dreadfully wrong track. It's going to end in blood, pain and a lot of defeatist thoughts at the edge of the world. Starbuck is not scum, she's town with an idea on how to play that differs from yours.

[Tyene Sand]

MoI--why is the hydra suspect for jumping on Feysal's multiball mention while you are disregarding others who have done the same? Namely, me.

Frankly I think the way they are dismissing scumreads on themselves as ridiculous speaks of Town.

[Tyene Sand]

And for the record: who is Lyanna Stark?

A little wolf whose house cannot even welcome the royal family without crumbling to shambles. That would

never

happen in Dorne, with sweet Myrcella and her companions.

In other news, that's Tammy.

PEdit: ...Stop stealing my lines, Stark.


I find arguing with -mum to be tedious and avoidable whenever possible.

[Tyene Sand]

They are not anonymous, MoS, and if you bothered to read either them or the thread you'd realize their identity. Pandora is Quilford + Shadoweh, and your 'policy' reeks.

[Tyene Sand]

I could do worse than sheeping Regfan, and that incongruence in his reads that Lyanna pointed out is a beauty. Moreso than Lady Stark herself, whose jabs make me wonder how fast the raven flies from Dorne to Winterfell.

UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: SnowStorm

Reg, please have a look at redFF.


It just hit me now that Starbuck was trying to make sure that not only would we have the 'less bad' outcome from the Choosing from her PoV by picking a known VT, but also that the suicide vig wouldn't take up a PR

action

. I am not voting that slot, period.

[Tyene Sand]

Incongruence in SnowStorm's reads, that is. Rereading my writing before posting would probably be a good plan.

[Tyene Sand]

Mina-mum--I'm shamelessly sheeping Regfan in both instances, mostly because the thread exploded on me and I was busy yesterday and will be so today as well. Commented on the sheeping re: the Vote, didn't bother to do so with the Choosing. There are walls that I have skimmed at most, and at this stage I'm following the game mostly by virtue of reading Regfan's posts.

Post 360 has my vote firmly planted where it is. Sorry if I can't be bothered to parrot what others have said better than me, SnowStorm~

[Tyene Sand]

@Anyone Choosing Minimum over voting her

– please explain why you splitting the pressure on the slot in a way that is not Pro-Town.

From that logic, those votes should be in the Choosing, since that needs (at least, it should!) to be locked first.

[Tyene Sand]

From that logic, those votes should be in the Choosing, since that needs (at least, it should!) to be locked first.

No. What possibly makes you say that? Lynching is reserved for the most scummy person in thread. Not Voting them based on the fact that 'Choosing should lock first" is very poor play.

...has it occurred to you that Minimum aren't my strongest scumread and that you are not going to strongarm me into voting them if I don't think that's the best choice? Just a thought.


Aaand the major hydra dissonance just showed that Edd is (are?) town (again). Thank you, come again, and I really should be napping, this Dornish sun is far too hot to face at this hour.

[Tyene Sand]

Aaand the major hydra dissonance just showed that Edd is (are?) town (again).

Can't say I agree with this. The hydra dissonance displayed by Pandora earlier seemed very natural; that's a town-tell, sure. But the Alek/Arthur dissonance? Meh.

Individual scumhunting from Arthur/Alek. They're likely wrong in their top scumspects, but the way their reads differ don't really speak of someone who's bothering to check with their buddy to make sure they don't mess up their reads or accidentally write themselves into a corner. I'd like them to patch it up, as with Pandora, but initially? Alek came in and threw down reads with major disregard for what Arthur had already said. Yes, this is a towntell from them.

[Tyene Sand]

Good grief, how many more posts...

Regfan can I have another synopsis pls.

Deeper catch-up tomorrow. But seriously, this is an inane number of walls. Can you make your points in fewer words?

MoI--My point was that it's pretty obvious that not everyone has Minimum has a top suspect and you're trying to strongarm a lynch at this stage. Sheer argument from repetition won't convince people that they are scum, so the "You people choosing him should be voting him" attitude is needless posturing.

Very much disagree with Shadow1psc that "too little has happened" on 17 pages that are very non-spammy, and not entirely sure why he's pushing that notion.

I see no reason for Starbuck to nameclaim. Stop being silly, Stag.

[Tyene Sand]

Call me jaded maybe

Faraday this is your fault.

@Shadow1psc:

Why are you arguing for the defusing of discussion and wagons in general?

Gun to the head, snap decision: who would you vig if you were chosen?

I can point you to Weather Mafia II where I got BBmolla-scum lynched D1 with decent pieces of evidence (why do you care if the evidence is 'right' when lynching scum, anyway? People make too much noise out of cases, and there's little point in giving your scumread ammunition against you). It happens, and it's not that rare.

There are several players who are focusing quite a bit on townreads over scumreads. See Regfan. See myself. You're making general arguments instead of pointing concrete fingers and it's quite slippery. Who is doing this messy D1 thing that you so abhor?

[Tyene Sand]

You say that as if I'm ever not-Town, Griff. You should know better.

I don't have much in the way of scumreads. SnowStorm, redFF, I-can-go-with-Minimum. SnowStorm is easily the strongest of those. I also need to check Hyperion, but that won't happen tonight.

You should stop assuming stupid = scum, btw. The way your Salamence read progressed was a clear sign of that. (And yet, it was a clear BBtown, so

that

was nice.)

[Tyene Sand]

...If the discussion that is being had has given you reads, then stop complaining about it. Good grief. It takes 15 to lynch/choose, the biggest Lynch wagon is on L-9 and the biggest Choose wagon is on L-11.

You seem to want to stifle discussion and fan it alive at the same time while talking what is essentially your view on how the game should be played. Other people have different ideas and different playstyles; you've given your warning, no one is in any risk of being lynched any time soon (pity, that would make things move a bit), drop it and move on. Get to concrete aspects.

[Tyene Sand]

I've played with Tammy before. She is a decent scumhunter, but gets too wrapped in emotions during the game. Would I trust her with a gun N1, if she is town? Yes. Would I have her out of the game N1? Yes.

I have also played with Tammy before. I would trust her with a kill, but I would not want her out of the game this early. She is one of my strongest town reads, and I would have her with me in LYLO if I could.

This has an implication that twists the context of my words. That was my Choice before Tammy posted. It was not whimsical, it was not RVS, but it did not actually have to do with my reads

in the game

, since

she had not posted

.

Feysal, do you think that Tierce disagreeing on proper Choose theory is an alignment tell, and why? Also, thoughts on Starbuck's VT claim and self-Choose? I'm not particularly interested in whether you scum-slipped, but I feel like you've been attacking people for differences in Mafia theory instead of for behaviour that's scum-motivated.

My original Choice on Tierce was due to her not wanting to direct the assassin, for a reason that was so nonsensical it seemed like an excuse. It was not much to go on, but enough for that early. Now though my Choice remains on her because her behavior seems unlike what I just saw from her as town in an ongoing game. For one thing, while I don't know how I expected her to react to my post #224, I did not expect her to ignore it completely and quietly move off my wagon.

I didn't ignore it, I simply saw no point in commenting on your reply, as I was proven wrong and acted accordingly by shifting off that wagon. Do note you are not part of my scumreads. Don't expect me to go in a All Hail Feysal The Obvtown soliloquy when I shift off your wagon because I have a better read on someone else/am willing to sheep a townread; you became a null read, I moved to somewhere I believe has a better chance of flipping scum.

[Tyene Sand]

Sorry for absence, have things to do today but will tackle this when I get home.

[Tyene Sand]

The incongruence that the Dolorous Edd hydra displays is quite unlike Pandora's. In fact, with the way Alek's first posts were, no, I'd say there is absolutely no sense in saying that the towntell of hydra-ness was 'burned' already by Pandora. Alek's initial posts even show that he didn't read Pandora fully (since he missed some of their Feysal points), so what makes you think that he gave such detailed thought to someone calling a towntell on it? Either way, I'm not interested in spending more time today on this slot and I'm shelving it as town. However, in the meantime:

Aaand the major hydra dissonance just showed that Edd is (are?) town (again).

Can't say I agree with this. The hydra dissonance displayed by Pandora earlier seemed very natural; that's a town-tell, sure. But the Alek/Arthur dissonance? Meh.

Individual scumhunting from Arthur/Alek. They're likely wrong in their top scumspects, but the way their reads differ don't really speak of someone who's bothering to check with their buddy to make sure they don't mess up their reads or accidentally write themselves into a corner. I'd like them to patch it up, as with Pandora, but initially? Alek came in and threw down reads with major disregard for what Arthur had already said. Yes, this is a towntell from them.

That might be a town tell for a lot of people, and the hydra might be town. However, this is not a town tell for those two particular people. Staeg mentioned how this was already called a town tell for Pandora, so it doesn't really apply the second time.

And, well, this is Alek and Arthur, so it's not exactly a towntell

from them

Please explain this bit, little wolf.

She's a Sand Snake from Dorne and while her house may have never bowed to the throne, it's a vastly inferior place than the north.

All bark, are you?

Pless is indeed sniping from the sidelines. I don't know if this is a typical feature of his play, but for example, calling Arthur out on hypocrisy as he does in Post 355 is pretty pointless and reads like an unnecessary attempt to rile him up. Hypocrisy is not a scumtell.
Something else I'd like from Pless--follow-up on the reason you asked Regfan about his townread on me.
However, with all things considered, I can sense some natural hydra interaction between them that feels like town discussing reads.

I have trouble reading StefanB. Not just this game, we've played together before, and the language barrier really gets to me. I'm hopping through two languages

and it still doesn't make sense

. (No, don't replace out, but please try to be a bit more clear, I'm not a native speaker either.) Regardless, Post 395 comes across as really honest in a subject I'd expect him to dodge if he were scum.

Shadow1psc's jumps between happy funtimes to being apparently irate are very odd. I need to poke at this further. He sounds honest when he discusses theory, sure, but I think he'd be honest about theory regardless of alignment, so that is hardly aalignment-indicative in any manner, shape or form.

His walls behind what he thinks is optimal town play comes across as him really believing it

See above as to why I disagree with this.

I wouldn't call Hyperion's Post 298 a case on BB, and I'm surprised he describes it as so. BB, you have a tendency to accumulate a few votes on the early days; how come

one

vote draws such a visceral reaction?

SnowStorm's Post 360 comes across as very forced. It seems like he's covering his ass with that Benmage vote/townread; now he's admitting (again) that he thinks Benmage is town, and that admitting to it makes the vote lose its power--so... you were voting a townread: what was the intended 'power' about the vote that

admitting it is on a townread

makes it lose? It makes no sense, it's not even fishing for reactions or seeing who jumps on the wagon; it's literally a useless vote. What's more, here he is admitting it is a bad vote for all intents and purposes, that unvoting is boring, but chooses to leave a useless vote there when he has things like an apparent scumread on me. Makes very very little sense from town, but makes sense like scum scouting out a wagon possibility before hopping on it.

I don't think it's inherently scummy, but when I've done it I've usually made an announcement that that is what I have done and that I will move it when I decide who it's going to go onto if I for whatever reason don't unvote (but that's usually when we're nearing deadline and I'm actively searching for someone to vote instead.) And, this is the problem I'm having is that you're not actively looking for suspects; you're not actively engaging with anyone in the game really. You picked up on the Ben issue and I have no problem with that, but that is pretty much all you have done other than discuss theory. And then you gave a few townish reads and said that there was pretty no scum reads, basically you nulled everyone. The manner in which you gave your reads was rather stilted as well. All of this made me suspicious. If it were just the vote, and you were being active in the game, I probably wouldn't have even noticed.

Exactly this, though it hurts me to admit that the wolf might have a point. He had a somewhat viable suspect elsewhere, and just sits there on that vote he called useless. It feels like he's choosing not to engage.

I expect ~things~ from redFF. I also expect to be disappointed.

Staeg, there is no reason for Starbuck to nameclaim. She claimed VT, let it lie. We don't know what powers scum might get from learning players' character names, so please,

shut up

.

If it's a bit of nervous posturing, you might want to stop as it's not doing you any favors and is going a long way to destroy the town vibes Arthur gave your hydra.

Why would you say this...? The way you deal with Alek is weird, it comes across as "watch it, I'm getting a bit of a scumread on you", and my brain just goes and tacks "stop it before I have to bus" to the end of your sentences. Why the kid gloves?

I'm actually quite uncomfortable and suspicious towards the way Feysal acted in Post 448 toward me. He's the first to want to put things into context, yet the way he treated my reason for my Choosing of Lyanna at the

beginning

of the game, which was clearly explained to Benmage as part of a conversation, was as if it was something that had something to do with the

then-present

gamestate. It feels artificial and scummy.

[Among other things, MagnaofIllusion is a townread]

for being less confrontational than I'm used to seeing him.

This is quite ridiculous, as anyone who has played with MoI-town knows he's confrontational regardless of alignment.

Quite curious as to why MoS

is

was voting and choosing me, as there is absolutely no pressure behind that. Anything you want to talk about, MoS? People have brought this up, and then you move on to Shadow1psc without any kind of follow-up. I know town-MoS to be lazy, but I don't know him to ignore people's reads and comments about him.

It seems like multiple players in this game are bold-facedly admitting to not reading the thread and just sheeping whatever case the first player who looks town makes (which I find not so much scummy as antitown, although my other half would disagree with me).

Uhm. It's not actually antitown--Regfan is a better scumhunter than I am and I'm lending strength to his choices. CES could tell you this about sheeping, but

anyway

.

Amrun, thoughts on the game? If you're reading the latest string of posts and feel comfortable enough to comment on theory-points, where are

your actual reads

?

Dislike Plum so far. Her targets are all so easy.

@MoI: Umm, no, not unfinished. I do have a certain game you should be very familiar of where I did use the list.

Why does this matter?

Because I’ve noticed a tendancy for newer / weaker scum players to try to mimic the beheaviors of stronger Town (or Town perceived) players as a manner of buddying. It usually manifests itself in undertaking behaviors they don’t normally due.

As an example – Katsuki in Plum and Andrius’s Lord of the Rings Mafia suddenly started using “Town / Scum lists” (see Posts 121 and 188) out of the blue. He explains at 293 that it is his first time using it (and he ‘liked” it). Yet he’s never done it since. The reason why? He was wanting to subtly mimic stronger players (the DGB / Ellibereth hydra being the best example) also doing it.

I’ll have to review but I don’t recall you ever doing that on a consistent basis Day 1 in games before. It dinged my scumdar since some strong players (Benmage / Regfan) who are using lists here.

I'm going to cut you right here re: Salamence and copying behaviors/sheeping. I like your reasoning, but he actually does this kind of thing as town.

Alleras, known as The Sphinx, is a novice studying at the Citadel in Oldtown. He was nicknamed the Sphinx by Leo Tyrell. His mother is a trader and he claims to not be a noble's son. Interestingly enough, Alleras is Sarella spelled backwards. Sarella Sand is one of the Sand Snakes of Dorne, and looks

very like

Alleras. Curious!

My little sister has such interesting pastimes.

Townreads: Lyanna Stark, Regfan, Dolorous Edd, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Starbuck, (StefanB, Plessiezarus, BBmolla)
Scumreads: SnowStorm, Shadow1psc, redFF, (Plums Yo Mamma, Mastermind of Sin, Feysal, Minimum)

UNCHOOSE: Minimum
CHOOSE: Feysal

[Tyene Sand]

You say that as if I'm ever not-Town, Griff. You should know better.

I don't have much in the way of scumreads. SnowStorm, redFF, I-can-go-with-Minimum. SnowStorm is easily the strongest of those. I also need to check Hyperion, but that won't happen tonight.

You should stop assuming stupid = scum, btw.

The way your Salamence read progressed was a clear sign of that. (And yet, it was a clear BBtown, so

that

was nice.)

MoI--why is the hydra suspect for jumping on Feysal's multiball mention while you are disregarding others who have done the same? Namely, me.

Frankly I think the way they are dismissing scumreads on themselves as ridiculous speaks of Town.

The two quotes above show why I'm wary of SnowStorm and really want this wagon to go through. He seems to be deliberately use my words for 'things one should qualify as town'. After LLD manipulated me with this in Maf.Maiden, I'm not letting the following fly:

(this is the answer to that last quote, which wasn't included in that last post due to failure in the copy/paste process)

The vote initially demonstrated that I suspected Benmage. Now it is a useless vote. But don't say I'm "scouting for wagons", it would have been much easier for me as scum to just echo someone else's suspicion and jump on their suspect.

I really can't see how anyone would do this play as scum. I know I'm very far from looking town, but scum? You're not just accusing me of being scum, you're accusing me of being stupid-scum. According to all of you I just keep digging myself deeper with each post; everything I do is scummy, everything I don't do is scummy. This is starting to get ridiculous.

Btw, I never said I had a scum read on you. I had a town read on you and then you posted something I didn't like and explained it. There was no reason for me to vote you, since I believed your explanation.

(I hope CES enjoyed the musical! )

[Tyene Sand]

Cogito Ergo Mum: Call me paranoid maybe.

1) Choosing someone that you call a bad lynch (as Mina pointed out)
2) Calling out redFF's scumminess, but then neither choosing nor voting him, instead Choosing someone else for a shit reason
3) The little joke flipped off at the end about CES's record of not getting lynched doesn't sit right with me either, but that's more of a gut thing.
If redFF ever flips scum, I'd bet money that this is Tierce as a scumbuddy here.
That said, I'm bored, so baaaaaaaa. Wake me up if we ever get back to Tierce-scum.

1) My Minimum read, for the nth time, is the-power-of-sheeping-Regfan. And yes, I Choose differently than I Vote and I've explained why.
2) redFF was V/LA, and

I was voting him at the time.

3) So... why do you have a problem with me making jokes here, but never had an issue with me and Vi chatting each other up in Otherworld?

Yes, that was tremendously convincing. You're not even reading my posts, since you're blatantly ignoring this:

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: redFF

Unnecessary posturing.

Let's reverse that, actually.

UNCHOOSE: redFF
CHOOSE: Feysal

UNVOTE: Feysal
VOTE: redFF

How sad that this thread would ignore redFF's scumminess. Minimum is a bad lynch and, moreover, we wouldn't want to ruin CES's record of not getting lynched, now would we?

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: Minimum

I was voting redFF at the time of that post.

My vote changed to SnowStorm in Post 352.


There is a difference between being lazy and just pushing shitty cases, which is what you were doing, given that you had no awareness of who I was voting.

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: Mastermind of Sin

[Tyene Sand]

No. If he's town, he's being lazy, yes. But I think he's scum who is pushing shitty cases. Lazy != shitty cases, that's what I meant. "What you were doing" refers to "just pushing shitty cases", not to "being lazy".

MoS is a good player when he deigns to pay attention to the game. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't throw a vig shot away on a bad target just because he's lazy when

alive on D1

. His laziness has several reasons, and while I disagree with them, I understand where it comes from and it's characteristic of his D1 play.

The

suspicion

on me is scummy, though, because it's a sign that he went from laziness to making a veritably crappy case on someone with faulty facts.

[Tyene Sand]

MoS--so you're attentive enough to see you're placing a vote and choosing Tyene Sand, but utterly incapable of ISOing that account to see what it has posted so far before deciding to vote it?

And then making a case without ever reading it

, which is apparently what you are claiming to have done?
All the posts I have in this thread are under the same account, it's not like it would be a lot of trouble to pull it from the drop-down menu. Call me Tyene, call me Tierce, whatever, but that is a magnificently shitty excuse for not even looking at who I was

voting

before making a case that passes judgment on who I was

voting

. It's sloppy, it's scummy, it's not going to fly.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

And you're bad with a gun? Boo-hoo. If you're town and get Chosen today, if you're that incapable of reading the thread to see who's scummy, pick a wagon and flip that person. Wow, how difficult.

[Tyene Sand]

Uhhh, who actually bothers to ISO a person before placing a vote? You kidding me? LoL...

I don't know, who would bother making sure that their 'case' is not total bullshit? Who would do check their facts when asked about it, instead of just making up stuff and hoping it sticks?

What a nonsensical notion, that town would bother checking their facts when scumhunting, while scum makes up fake reads.

"I looked at a votecount from 250 posts later, didn't bother checking back!" Except your post

where you voted me

, when you should be aware of the reasons you were placing that vote, was the following:

I find it curious that you have null reads on three of the weakest players in the game.


How sad that this thread would ignore redFF's scumminess. Minimum is a bad lynch and, moreover, we wouldn't want to ruin CES's record of not getting lynched, now would we?

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: Minimum

This is a really bad post in pretty much every respect.

Didn't see this before, but I pretty much agree with cow.

Vote: Tierce

Choose: Tierce

And do you know what was at the top of this page, from which you're saying that that vote was, in which you say I'm not applying the appropriate pressure on redFF?

This:

The Free Cities are a group of nine cities/states along the western coast of the eastern continent. They are Pentos, Tyrosh, Lorath, Myr, Lys, Braavos Volantis, Qohor and Norvos. (Fuck I had to look up Norvos, I am BAD)

Day 1, Votecount 12

MagnaofIllusion (1) - Shadow1psc
Mastermind of Sin (1) - sword_of_omens
Starbuck (3) - Feysal, redFF, Dolorous Edd
SnowStorm (2) - Plessiezarus, Regfan

Minimum (7) - MagnaofIllusion, Salamence20, Hasdgfas, Lyanna Stark, StefanB, Benmage, BBmolla

Petyr Baelish (1) - Mastermind of Sin
Benmage (1) - SnowStorm
Salamence20 (3) - pappums rat, Staeg, Minimum
Feysal (2) - Starbuck, Pandora

redFF (1) - Tyene Sand

BBmolla (1) - Hyperion
Dolorous Edd (1) - Jal

Not Voting (4):

Mockingjaye, Petyr Baelish, Bvoigt, Plum's Yo Mamma

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 3rd September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)
  
• Countdown to deadline
  : (expired on 2012-09-03 18:59:59)
  
• redFF is V/la until Friday.

CHOOSE NAIVETY

MagnaofIllusion (2) - sword_of_omens, MagnaofIllusion
Tyene Sand (1) - Feysal
Dolorous Edd (2) - hasdgfas, Hyperion

Feysal (4) - Dolorous Edd, Salamence20, StefanB, BBmolla

Hasdgfas (1) - Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Pandora, Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plum's Yo Mamma

Starbuck (2) - Starbuck, Staeg
redFF (2) - Benmage, Minimum

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark, Mockingjaye, Petyr Baelish, redFF, pappums rat, Bvoigt, Plessiezarus, SnowStorm, Jal, Mastermind of Sin

With 28 alive it takes 15 to 'Choose'.

You're full of crap, MoS. When you voted me, you didn't even bother checking what you were doing, and now are making up stuff as to the reasoning of that vote. You're trying to use things that you 'failed' to 'check' later to justify a vote that was bullshit when you placed it to begin with. You made a crappy case a posteriori, got called on it, got busted.

Votes/Choices go here.

[Tyene Sand]

Oh, and if you flip scum, I'm pretty damn sure that Cow is not aligned with you.

[Tyene Sand]

Then by all means, explain

what the hell

you were voting me for, because you're asking for explanations from others, saying what you saw suspicious on the

post you quoted as justification to vote me

, and yet apparently none of this is a reason for you to vote me. This is beyond absurd.

[Tyene Sand]

I should stop arguing with my scumreads and go to bed.

Don't worry, Lady Stark, you'll get your rubies.

[Tyene Sand]

None of that changes my points as to why you're scum. You've just added another--you're voting me for a disagreement in theory, which, as you well know from those "MoS is being lazy D1 = scum" reads every game, is in no way a valid reason to have a scumread.

Happy with my Choice.

[Tyene Sand]

What's "this post of Tierce's"? And Tierce isn't in this game, unless I'm missing something.

You're missing something indeed. I'm Tierce, this is a flavor alt. You outlined one of my posts as bad and MoS ran with it with a pile of BS tacked on it.

I have to think on MoS. There's nothing I'd love more than to policy lynch him game after game after game for being inanely anti-town on D1 regardless of alignment, and it pisses me off that he considers that making bullshit cases is acceptable town play--it's not even like he was looking for reactions, it was an outright bad case and he dismisses it as "lol but I'm not voting you

now

." The little bits of me who who love to lynch for Justice are crying for blood--if his is not lynchworthy behavior, I don't know what is, but MoS bullshits his way through so many D1s as town... I'm horribly conflicted with this.

I would much appreciate it if Minimum survived Today.

Apologies for the absence for the last 24h; I made a choice between a netbook on its last days of survival and a laptop that hasn't been updated for over four years. With how slow my internet is, running updates on browsers and other communication programs is a complete joke. I'm still not done. :/

[Tyene Sand]

Now that is an embarassing slip. Don't mind the puppy.

On Plessiezarus's Post 653:

Why is Post 247 a bad post? The only people bringing it up have been MoS (for reasons he cannot keep up once questioned about it) and Hascow (who hasn't explained it yet). And yes, there are reasons for choosing someone you think is a bad lynch, namely that you're putting a vig choice in their hands. I've explained this, Regfan has explained this, this isn't rocket surgery.

The game isn't hard to follow, nor am I findinding it hard to keep up, I have plenty of time; I'm mostly being lazy. I'm not a spectacular scumhunter and I work better with townreads than with scumreads, especially in the early game. There are 28 slots here and I'm not going to pay the same attention to everyone today, so yes, Regfan's posts are actually a good way to keep up with the game. I was being partially facetious when I commented on that, as I tend to read his posts

while

referencing back to the actual events. But no, I haven't read some of the walls. I didn't do so in the D1 of Weather Mafia II either, if you want a frame of reference.

As for defending townreads, Regfan has already touched on this. Yes, I defend townreads. A lot. Won't bother linking--basically, check any and all of my games. As I've said, I'm a better townhunter than scumhunter, so watching how people interact with my townreads and how they make points against them is a good way for me to get later reads.

As for stupid = scum, I fall in that trap all too often and tend to tunnel on stupid. The fact that I was aware BB was doing it doesn't mean I'm not capable of doing the same error--I'm pretty self-aware, but I tend to tunnel people for matters of Justice. Which is a bad thing, I know, and I'm working on it--thus my indecision with MoS. "The fact somebody's actions seem to make little sense shouldn't automatically lead you to assume they are scum." You're absolutely right with this, motivations > behavior, and I tend to get caught-up in that "aha, what you did makes no sense" thing without much on the why. Basically, see every town game in which I've tunneled someone. >.> I managed to work myself out of a wrong town tunnel in Catch-22 Mafia with someone else's help, and here I'm trying to reason out MoS. No, I haven't put much time into

that

yet. You have no idea how much electronic hell I've been in for the last 24h when trying to work 4 years' worth of updates on an old Windows laptop.

I know people will gloss over the RP. I'm aware of that, so I'm trying not to leave anything that is game-relevant in there, because I know people skip it and I'm okay with that. But I'm having a bit of fun, and my RP is hardly extensive or my words hard to understand if you have knowledge of the source material. (No one has complained about

that

yet.) I haven't used a flavor alt before, and while I've touched at RP before in games and I'm a tabletop RPer outside games, there has never been a sort of

consistency

with a single character in a mafia game. This is mostly due to the fact that I like Dorne, I lke the Sand Snakes, this playerlist is mostly decent so I like the game so far, and I've been waiting for this game since I've joined, as AFFC Mafia was just slightly before my time and far too long by the time I considered replacing in.

Also, this post shows something else about me--I'm extensively self-aware and I know a good chunk of my meta as both town and scum. (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, etc., etc.) I also know I'm terrible at changing it anyway, so my scumgame kind of outright sucks. Good thing I'm never scum anyway~

~Duplicate post deleted

[Tyene Sand]

Not quite. There's a difference between white-knighting VI-townreads, which was I brought up in Mafia Behind the Maiden as a point of frustration (mostly due to events in Experimental Role Mafia and in Chrono Trigger Resurrection), and explaining/defending townreads on players I think are able to stand their ground and not make utterly stupid choices later in the game.

Stop* stalking me.

I agree with the Totally Anonymous Head of the furry critter re: Shinori and redFF. Town guns pointed this way please and thank you.

[Tyene Sand]

Why (and when) did Minimum go from being a scum-read (as late as Post 554) to being somebody whose survival you "would much appreciate"?

Sorry, missed this in the avalanche.

I think my reads are probably shittier than they usually are, because I'm too inclined to feel positively about people (like bvoigt and MoS) whose play looks scummy but who are defending us (either directly, or by chainsawing people who attack us). So it's hard to untangle "people who are playing toward a scum wincon" from "people I want to (metaphorically) die in a fire." It's a bad sign when I'm getting paranoid of my town reads for no reason whatsoever other than "They're voting me/don't like me/kind of looked at me funny."

This rings true and I've been in that position as Town. Mina sounds genuinely frustrated for a wagon that, on her eyes, has reasoning like "you're not obvtowning enough". I've been there enough times (Chrono Trigger Resurrection, Otherworld, late Weather Mafia II) that this feels like something I would post as Town and not as scum in a similar situation, and I

have

been (rightfully) paranoid about some such townreads.

[Tyene Sand]

Greenknight's entry post is also rather odd. Jumping on two somewhat-popular wagons without catching up on the thread, at this point in the day? Can't see the town-motivation for that.

That's simple enough... It's a 28p game which means a lot of inertia in terms of moving wagons to the point of being a serious lynch threat. Since my predecessor wasn't actually voting and catching up will take a while, it's correct play to place initial votes quickly imo.

This explanation doesn't make much sense to me. If you think it's hard to move wagons in a big game, adding your vote to the biggest wagon is surely not going to make it easier to pressure new people.

Well, look at what happened since I voted. Pushing the Minimum wagon caused reactions from both heads of the hydra, and also from people defending minimum. This gives us useful content to analyse, and speeds up the process of reaching a consensus on whether the wagon's good or not. So, if we decide the wagon's bad there'll be more time to conside other targets.

So where's your view on this? Where's the analysis? What you had later on this post is not any kind of proper analysis of their alignment.

Mina sounds genuinely frustrated for a wagon that, on her eyes, has reasoning like "you're not obvtowning enough". I've been there enough times (Chrono Trigger Resurrection, Otherworld, late Weather Mafia II) that this feels like something I would post as Town and not as scum in a similar situation, and I have been (rightfully) paranoid about some such townreads.

Sure she's frustrated... but wouldn't she also be frustrated as scum? I'm sure it's very annoying if you happen to draw scum, feel like you are playing a decent game and someone pulls "not obvtown enough" as evidence against you. I do see with your point about paranoia being a typical town reaction when the attacked player feels the reasons for voting are bad, but I don't see why scum could not also make a "you guys all suck" post.

Town frustration isn't nearly the same. The "not obvtown enough" is complete bullshit and tends to draw resignation from town players, whose hands are tied because they don't even know what to change. In addition, she's not making a "you guys all suck" post, unlike what you're saying. Mina criticized a few players in particular, but you're implying she's throwing her hands up in the air and walking away, when this is not what is happening. Her attitude reminds me of my own

and

of hitogoroshi-Town in Ponybash Invitational. We're all players with whom people like to use this kind of tell, and it's frustrating as hell when you're Town because

you're already trying, dammit

, and you can't work miracles if you're not looking Town enough for someone's ridiculous standards while there is blatant scummy play floating around from others. (It's like... it's not the kind of thing in which scum have to look more town than town players to not be lynched, you have to look more town than people's (usually) wrongful perception of your usual-town-look

when you are town to begin with

, and shouldn't have to be concerned about it. It's a stupid burden and I sympathize with her.) It's hard to explain, but the scum reaction is different.

I did say it was difficult to explain. You have to be in that position to know what it feels like, and not many players have this kind of reputation.

Furthermore, CES is a stronger scum player than Mina is. I see no reason why he'd leave her so much in the spotlight if they were trying to guarantee their own survival at this stage.

Your reaction to all this makes me really uncomfortable, though. You're saying that she would do this as scum as well as town. But why is she scum to begin with? Where is she failing that badly to show Town motivation? You're trying to justify a vote by an hypothetical lack of counterarguments, but you don't really have an argument in the first place.

So, greenknight: why are Minimum scum?

[Tyene Sand]

Why is Post 247 a bad post?

The only people bringing it up have been MoS (for reasons he cannot keep up once questioned about it) and Hascow (who hasn't explained it yet)

. And yes, there are reasons for choosing someone you think is a bad lynch, namely that you're putting a vig choice in their hands. I've explained this, Regfan has explained this, this isn't rocket surgery.

The underlined isn't actually true (but I'm only saying this since sniping from the sidelines is so fun). In any case, the number of people bringing it up so far isn't really relevant to whether or not Zar and I find it to be a bad post.

My bad, I

try to block out everything MoI says

forgot that. And I answered that then; my view on why Choosing is different from Lynching hasn't changed and I won't change my view on theory because you disagree.

As for defending townreads, Regfan has already touched on this. Yes, I defend townreads. A lot. Won't bother linking--basically, check any and all of my games. As I've said, I'm a better townhunter than scumhunter, so watching how people interact with my townreads and how they make points against them is a good way for me to get later reads.

This still doesn't quite feel like what you're doing with Edd though . (Had a skim through day 1 of Weather Mafia II and your town-defending in that game seems different to what you're doing here. Perhaps that's mainly because the person you seem to spend the most time defending in that game, BBmolla, is somebody you then flip completely on and push to be lynched .) I guess if enough people who've seen you play insist this fits your town meta I'll have to accept that I'm wrong, but

I don't like admitting I'm wrong

it's still bothering me for now.

What's happening with Edd is that I keep seeing points that make me think they are town and I keep bringing them up. I should probably save them for when/if he ever gets decently run-up, but I've never been up to conceal the reasons for my townreads, I'm pretty transparent about that.

Shinori and redFF: still doing nothing. Votes plz.

I agree with the Totally Anonymous Head of the furry critter re: Shinori and redFF. Town guns pointed this way please and thank you.

You aren't actually voting for either of them yourself though ...

I'm not, I still have to recheck MoS and I have a scumread on SnowStorm--I'm saying who I'd like to see vigged if the Chosen is Town or we have other killing powers in the hands of Town. This game needs a real purge through the playerlist and I don't have a handful of votes to apply liberally and get them lynched all at once.

I also agree with people who are suggesting switching Shadow1psc and Minimum as lynch/choose options. I don't think either are ideal, but I'd trust either Mina or CES with a vig-shot more than Shadow1psc after reading Post 419.

I don't get this. You were criticizing me for my lynch/choosing theory (that is, you pick a good player who is a scumread to get Chosen and Lynch the chaff) but now seem to have a similar logic. What

is

the problem with Post 247, then?


PEdit: You also know me to be incapable of decently changing my scum meta around, so, huh, whatever. I like subverting my meta as scum, I admit, but there are core aspects that I can't change, not because I don't want to (oh god trust tells please no) but because I'm hardly spectacular as scum. :3

[Tyene Sand]

I don't get this. You were criticizing me for my lynch/choosing theory (that is, you pick a good player who is a scumread to get Chosen and Lynch the chaff) but now seem to have a similar logic. What is the problem with Post 247, then?

They weren't criticizing you on your theory. In fact, I believe they're saying you aren't following it. Calling Minimum a "bad lynch" threw a lot of people off. People are taking this to mean you didn't think Minimum is a strong enough (or

even

a) candidate to be lynched today, and if they're not scummy enough to lynch, why choose them? The whole "pick a better player to choose with a decent chance of flipping scum" doesn't even register at that point.

However, it certainly doesn't help that later in post 374 you implied that you chose Min because you don't have as strong as a scum read them.

The situations aren't symmetric. People who are good choices to be Chosen are a proper subset of people who are good choices to be lynched.

Somebody who is a bad lynch is (surely by definition?) somebody you want to keep in the game for now. Such a person is, necessarily, also a bad choice to be Chosen. However, somebody can be a bad choice to Choose even if they are a good lynch. If player A and player B both look scummy then they are both good lynch choices. But if player A has repeatedly claimed that if Chosen they'll vig somebody I consider a strong town player, they are a bad choice to be Chosen.

I was not criticising you for the underlined, above. There's nothing wrong with Choosing a good player who is also a scum-read. My problem with the implicit logic of Post 247 is that by saying Minimum is a bad lynch you suggest you

don't

have a strong scum-read on them. Otherwise, how are they not a good lynch? And if Minimum is a bad lynch, you should not Choose them.

I feel stupid that I didn't get what you were talking about until now. I

think

I know what you mean, but it completely flew over my head before because it was evident to

me

.

Look at what Regfan was posting at the time; he mirrors my thoughts on Choosing/Lynching pretty well. The "bad lynch" bit was in the sense that "you don't lynch a slot like this when you have a perfectly viable alternative, i.e. Choosing it",

not

that "I think Minimum are town but they should die anyway because they'd be good vigs" (which is what Starbuck was defending and I explained was a bad idea). I can see how it can read as contradictory when you look at the positions side by side and don't realize what I was actually implying, but what I assumed people read between the lines was "Minimum is a bad lynch [because we should Choose them instead]".

Sorry about that. The rest of my posts about the subject should explain what was implied in that statement.

I don't like

[Minimum's]

interaction with MoI on page 2 - instead of just asking him "why are you choosing yourself" there's a bunch of sarcasm and a joke scum claim which I got bad vibes from. Looked to me as attempting to muddy the waters. I also think there are a couple of question marks with Mina's frustration posts (sympathy play by claiming to be a guaranteed lynch, the odd statement that MoI would try to lynch them regardless of alignments, and concern about not wanting to "look bad.") And no I didn't mean to imply that Mina had given up, just that it was a general vent against her attackers.

I can actually understand why someone would think that of MoI

as Town

, regardless of MoI's alignment. He's a particularly bickersome player and petty enough to enforce reasonless policy lynches. Scum Minimum could push back on MoI for a potentially bad case, but they're not going for that--and I understand the source of the bitterness toward MoI.

It doesn't help that Tyene barely interacted or said much of anything about Minimum prior to choosing them.

@Tyene, I'd take this opportunity to full explain what you meant by choosing Minimum instead of telling players to go back and read. Also, what about Minimum originally made them appear scummy to you that lead to your choosing?

See above. As for the Choosing reasons, it was in very large part adding weight to the wagon for pressure and clarifying my read on Minimum (also known as the Sheeping Regfan Technique^TM).

[Tyene Sand]

I'm explaining my townreads. If it includes explaining history between players, that becomes game-relevant and I bring it up. I'm sorry if it bothers you.

Why is Minimum's calling me a good Choose as Policy lynch and not being willing to back up why not exactly what you are decrying above?

I have no idea what you're asking. Please translate this to English.

[Tyene Sand]

Don't be a dick. You know I'm ESL and that snip was unwarranted. If I don't understand a sentence, there's no need to call me stupid.


Minimum are voting Salamence and Choosing redFF. How are they painting you as scummy or actually trying to push a policy lynch on you? Where is this pity party coming from now?

For the record, yes, I think you deserve a policy lynch or three. I'm not going for it and I think you're town. Their view on you is not "reasonless".

I wasn't talking with you, I was talking with greenknight and saying why I thought Minimum's interaction with you was an aspect of Minimum town. It doesn't change your mind? Fine, have the cake. But I'm not going to be part of the Minimum wagon regardless of how much you stomp your

vote

foot.

I don't really think anyone is pushing

you

for anything. I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying that Mina accused you of something you're not doing? i.e. that she accused you of trying to policy lynch her and your scumread on them doesn't have anything to do with policy? But now you're saying that your stance is policy, with or without reason, so I'm just confused as to what you're accusing them of.

The impression I got from that page two is that Mina was commenting on you in

general

, not in your attitude in this game in particular, and was expressing general irritation at you. At worst, that's null. At best, it's townish because she didn't push you on policy and they changed their vote soon enough.

[Tyene Sand]

My bad, I

try to block out everything MoI says

forgot that.

Is this what warranted the bickering? Because it's the only strike-out that was remotely related to you.

You can't take lighthearted jabs at the fact that you're a wall-poster and I don't particularly like your style of play, which means I stop reading ASAP once I get a townread on you?

In that case, I'll keep it strictly business from now on. I'm sorry if that offended you, but it's the honest truth and you've seen me do so before, so I don't know where the surprise is coming from.

[Tyene Sand]

No one is doing that, thus my confusion as to why he's playing the pity card when no one is pushing him on policy (though yes, he deserves it).

[Tyene Sand]

Stop skimming the latest page and go read the game. You'll understand the policy stuff when you're through.

[Tyene Sand]

The fact that he deserves it does not mean it's happening. Seriously, go read, this is among of the tiniest things you could have poked at and the fact that you're going at it without all the context makes it all the more frustrating to see. You have 29 pages to go through, please get started instead of interjecting about this kind of thing.

[Tyene Sand]

I do realize that. That's why I've asked you to

stop commenting on things you have no context for

and

please go read

, which appears to be something you're not giving priority to.

I may have a bit of a short fuse with you, but my identity should clue you in as to why's that. So please, just go do your catch-up and get back when you have actual reads.

[Tyene Sand]

Apparently you don't get it, though, if you're assuming I'd policy lynch someone merely on the grounds of 'not liking' someone. No, I really think MoI is a bad player, and that doesn't have to do with not liking his style in particular. You don't PL for the latter, but the former is a valid reason if you think doing so will further the Town cause. I don't think it'd help us here as I have a townread on MoI and can mostly ignore him, thus preserving my own sanity.
Anyway...

The Sand Snake thing is pretty evident, no? Look at my username. Tyene is a Sand Snake and is the one who is a septa's daughter. How is this relevant?

[Tyene Sand]

StefanB--As much as he deserves it on general principle, I have no interest in policy lynching MoI, I was just discussing it in the context that I understand Minimum's view of him and MoI was complaining about it. I'm done with the subject. As for the name thing, I was just puzzled as to why you'd bring it up when it is my account's name, but whatever, I guess.

I'm like the Helen of Troy of Westeros.

Your face is a drydock.

There are no words for how perfect this is. Thank you, you just made Homer and assorted works a lot better.

I keep trying to use [unchoose]/[choose] tags. >.>

UNCHOOSE: Mastermind of Sin
CHOOSE: greenknight

In other news, Plumamma's post was a beauty and does away with my iffy scumread on them. In more important news, I would totally elope with Mina.

[Tyene Sand]

So... do the Salamence voters care to tell me why he'd hang a lampshade on the fact that this game is going so much over his head that his reads haven't changed? If he was faking it, I'd expect him to at least have changed a read or two between Post 433 and Post 681.

Faraday, your inability at posting at the top of page is going to get me drunk way too fast. Please be more competent in the future.

@Shinori: *Tierce, please and thank you. Why the townread on Staeg?

[Tyene Sand]

If he were scum, he'd be trying to look like he's making a real effort. The copy-pasted reads list shows Salamence doesn't really care how he comes across, because he doesn't have anything to fear.

[Tyene Sand]

@Feysal - You don't get it. They are players I have not had particularly good experiences with, there is always a clash of wills regardless of alignment (and occasionally scum taking advantage of that catfight situation when we're Town; see the fact that Amrun and I were both alive at the end of Weather Mafia II as town). Am I pushing them now? Am I pushing MoI, who is another someone I'd rather have out of games I'm part of? No, I'm not--because I have townreads on Tammy/Lyanna and MoI.

Not liking Tammy's playstyle does not mean I don't accept that she can be a good player.

Post 237 is far from dismissive of her ability as a player, I'm explaining how her playstyle clashes with mine. I didn't think this would be so hard to understand or a point you would be hung up on, since I have shown no interest in lynching Tammy since I moved my first Choosing away from her.

The jabs between Tammy and me are (currently) playful and rather evident of that. Look at our flavor alts, look at the Houses, look at a certain Targaryen with rubies in his armor. Dorne does not have particularly good relations with Winterfell. It's RP banter, because that's

fun

.

Go read Experimental Role Mafia (with a nice helping of fail!scumTierce in multiball) and Mafia Behind the Maiden (Regfan was third-party, Benmage, MoI, Tammy and I were town)--you'll see what I mean about MoI being confrontational regardless of alignment.

I really don't like how you're devoting so much time to things that are null in nature and proven by interactions in previous games; this is not something I could conceivably lie about as either alignment, as the forums are riddled with proof of what I think about this subset of people. So how do you think this is helping you get a read on me, Feysal?

@Hascow, why are you ignoring my Post 646?

[Tyene Sand]

@Hascow, why are you ignoring my Post 646?

Because there's nothing to address?

I find it curious that you have null reads on three of the weakest players in the game.


How sad that this thread would ignore redFF's scumminess. Minimum is a bad lynch and, moreover, we wouldn't want to ruin CES's record of not getting lynched, now would we?

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: Minimum

This is a really bad post in pretty much every respect.

While we're at it, why did you find this post of Tierce's bad? What's your current read on Tierce?

What's "this post of Tierce's"? And Tierce isn't in this game, unless I'm missing something.

There is this. Post 264 is the post Minimum asked you to explain. I'm Tierce. What are your issues with Post 247?

(Assuming that you don't mean the 'bad lynch'/'choose them' bit, which I've already explained in Post 680.)

[Tyene Sand]

I doubt scum-Shinori would answer that question honestly, Tammy, since it's an obvious towntell for him to pick a newbie partner. Either way, I like BB's reasoning, even though the rest of his posts make me wince. Stop buddying me.

Regfan--StefanB is one of the players I have issues literally reading, but I'll try. I don't like how he's poking at irrelevant stuff like it's somehow part of the game. However, even though it can be a bit of overjustification, I like this:

Okay

Unchoose

Choose: Shadow

Will think later who is better to lynch, who to be our assasin (if we have to use this tactics. )
At the moment I am using this as 2 votes.

Minimum: I have trouble letting this point go, but okay will not mention it again, but for that my vote stays on you, until you prove your so called obvious townness. I think your slot is scum, if you like this stand okay...

The last lines to Minimum sound pretty genuine of town not convinced with arguments. I don't think scum would word it in this manner.

I'll give this a better look, but not tonight. My sleep times are all messed up and it's time (at 6 am >.>) to do something about it.


I dislike the votes on Jal. Feels like a comfortable wagon that can be pushed a bit each day without making headway while giving the voters an appearance of :effort:. Jal reads town at a glance.

Amrun probably needs to die.


PEdit: Holy overreaction batman.

[Tyene Sand]

PEdit: Holy overreaction batman.

Pardon me for breaking character. A reference to House Lothston or House Whent of Harrenhal would have been more appropriate here.

[Tyene Sand]

Reg--StefanB reread won't happen for now, and it's pretty pointless to devote time to it Today as we're trying to consolidate. I'm happy to call him town for now.

Still happy with

SnowStorm

/

greenknight

.

[Tyene Sand]

SnowStorm (10) - Plessiezarus, Regfan, Tyene Sand, Feysal, Jal, Shinori, MagnaofIllusion, Pandora, BBmolla, kortul

Minimum (3) - Salamence20, Hasdgfas, Lyanna Stark
Salamence20 (5) - Amrun, Minimum, bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc
Feysal (1) - Starbuck
Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (1) - StefanB
bvoigt (2) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight
Jal (2) - SnowStorm, DCLXVI
Mockingjaye (1) - Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (2):

Mockingjaye, Benmage

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 3rd September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)
  
• Countdown to deadline
  : (expired on 2012-09-03 18:59:59)
  
• MJ may be V/la for a hurricane.

Salamence is such a blatantly easy counterwagon it's almost cute. CES and Mina should be ashamed.

What

the hell

in the Mother's name is with the vanity wagons? Either learn to push a wagon effectively or compromise. We're running short on time. Which wagon of the largest ones do you

dislike less

? Vote there.

[Tyene Sand]

I won't, Regfan. StefanB has fooled me once as scum, I don't intend to let that happen again that easily.

SnowStorm, please list the following according to town/scum:

• BBmolla
  Benmage
  Feysal
  Jal
  kortul
  MagnaofIllusion
  Pandora
  Plessiezarus
  Regfan
  Shinori
  Tyene Sand

[Tyene Sand]

Yes, we want a nameclaim + the partner to vouch for him. Then we'll see about swinging this elsewhere.

PEdit: MoS, is that a claim?

[Tyene Sand]

I still want a partner claim, but there's no point in stalling this and give time for one of my town reads to get wagoned.

If you're SnowStorm's mason buddy, this is your time to claim. Otherwise your Frey friend eats rope.

UNVOTE: SnowStorm
VOTE: bvoigt

This is actually a good point. SnowStorm is definitely a better lynch than Minimum, though

obviously

Sala is my first choice.

While I have hardly paid attention to bvoigt so far, I really dislike the smug wording in this line. (

Emphasis

mine.) And it's by far the least awful of the main wagons.

My

sword

gentle words

sprigs of hemlock

vote is yours, Plum/Nacho. Use it wisely.

[Tyene Sand]

Good thing I'm asking 24 other people besides you, heh, MoS?

[Tyene Sand]

@Feysal:

I don't like Tammy's playstyle and think she's too emotional, but it ends there and I wouldn't grudge-lynch on it, as she reads Town and is a decent scumhunter. The Winterfell v. emotional bit was playing at the fact that the Starks live in one of the coldest locations in Westeros and still have some of the most fiery tempers in the series, though nothing compared with some of the tempers among the Martell/Sand bloodlines.

I thought you had meta on me (and I thought you knew the series--how dare you not); the way you address me in games seems to suggest it. If I'm wrong, yeah--things make more sense. I thought you had been in an informed position and distorting things, but you apparently haven't much read me in games to begin with. That does away with a good chunk of the suspicion.

---

Been mulling on it, and I agree--mason partner claim now is unnecessary. My initial point in it was that I've recently changed my view on masons; they're more valuable as confirmable roles than in any power they might have through good reads and convincing arguments. Players who are naturally scummy make great vanilla masons, as scum are forced to decide whether to kill solid townreads or the conftown that isn't doing much. Anything that throws a wrench in scum plans like a confirmed mason set is a good thing--but yes, we can wait, there's no need to deal with it Today. Had a rush of blood to the head for wanting things out in the open, but upon reviewing it there's no need to push for that claim.

And yes, kortul, it makes sense for Little Walder Frey to be a mason.

[Tyene Sand]

This is actually a good point. SnowStorm is definitely a better lynch than Minimum, though

obviously

Sala is my first choice.

While I have hardly paid attention to bvoigt so far, I really dislike the smug wording in this line. (

Emphasis

mine.) And it's by far the least awful of the main wagons.

Someone saying obviously is indicative of smug wording?

So this one night I completely failed at Englishing

Smug

is not the right word, actually, but I was trouble finding one that did until just now--

posturing

fits much better. It's like bvoigt is saying "I could go for this other lynch, but

this one

is so perfect and

just look

how I've been trying for it for such a long time." It could be playstyle, and he

has

been going after

the ridiculously easy lynchbait

Salamence for quite a while, but it feels like an unnecessary turn of phrase.

[Tyene Sand]

Good v. Evil, Law v. Chaos

[Tyene Sand]

Not really liking the immediate “Partners should claim” stance from either Benmage or Tierce. Both are experienced enough to know that only helps scum out this early. Later on if there are questions (or conflicting claims) it can be handled then.

It was a stupid moment on my end, and I can see Benmage being tired enough not to think things through.

The flavor name of the partner is evident for people who have read the series, so don't fret over it at this stage.

[Tyene Sand]

Hey Benmage, Jal isn't scum.

[Tyene Sand]

There's scum hiding against my magical townreads and this is pissing me off--I literally have townreads on 8/10+ of that SnowStorm wagon, but I also have trouble believing that scum would stay off such a juicy wagon for so long. In addition, if this is multiball, my "is scumhunting y/n" reads get shot to hell and back. Regardless, I am not about to start a wagon on a

frigging townread

at this stage in the Day. Honestly I'm not even sure how I'd start to go about de-confirmation-biasing myself with this set. I'm ready for a Night and seeing what happens then.

I also haven't slept in about 24h, so MS is going into the backburner until I take care of myself--food and sleep are priorities. Lynching scum is a veeery distant third at present.

[Tyene Sand]

...also, wtf typo.

"There's scum hiding

in

my magical townreads

[...]

"

[Tyene Sand]

kortul is acting like he typically does as town, and Salamence-slot is overwhelmed townie. Swing those wagons elsewhere, please.

Can you bullet for me the Sala case?

Meta is a big part of it. I've played with him and looked over the Kingdom Hearts game and he really did look town in both those games. There's also just a lack of scumhunting in his posts and recently he's simply gone completely inactive and basically not bothering to play. There are also a few statements that are clearly off (his original Feysalpost and "Hey!!! Someone understands me!!!! About time!!!") of a type that you'd expect Salascum to screw them up.

I disagree with just about everything in this post. Furthermore, knowing that he replaced out, can't you see how many freaking games he's playing?

...and now that I'm vaguely caught up on two new pages and had the pleasure of looking at VincentBR-avatar for a few moments, I'm returning to bed.

[Tyene Sand]

Been reading, but the weather is so lovely outside that etc.

Still prefer

bvoigt

/

greenknight

at this stage. That Saporerint wagon stinks and I would really like to know who are the scum who BBmolla thinks ar pushing the bvoigt wagon, since I don't see his vote/choice anywhere near the voters.

[Tyene Sand]

Not surprised, and I should have seen the crumb in Post 1162. That pretty much does away with my suspicions on the pair entirely; greenknight has been defending a townread on SnowStorm from the beginning and was one of seven slots I had down as having never voiced a [playerslot] --> SnowStorm scumread of any kind.

UNCHOOSE: greenknight
CHOOSE: DCLXVI

I am quickly approaching a Loathe Everything threshold. Time for a nap before I do something stupid.

[Tyene Sand]

Unofficial Vote count:

Saporerint (6) - bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc, BBmolla, Shinori, Albert B. Rampage
Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (6) - Lyanna Stark, Benmage, kortul, Minimum, Dolorous Edd, Saporerint
bvoigt (10) - Plums Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB, Plessiezarus, mockingjaye
Jal (1) - DCLXVI
StefanB (1) - Regfan

Not Voting (3): Jal, Feysal, Starbuck

---

Unofficial Choose count:

Dolorous Edd (1) - Jal
Feysal (9) - bvoigt, greenknight, Shinori, DCLXVI, Benmage, Albert B. Rampage, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Saporerint
Minimum (2) - StefanB, mockingjaye
greenknight (3) - Plums Yo Mamma, Seraphim, MagnaofIllusion
kortul (4) - Mastermind of Sin, BBmolla, Staeg, Shadow1psc
DLCXVI (8) - Tyene Sand, Plessiezarus, Minimum, Regfan, Pandora, Feysal, Lyanna Stark, kortul

Not Choosing (1): Starbuck

---

Things that make me uncomfortable:

• On the votes: Staeg and Regfan's votes are useless. Jal is missing in combat, Feysal isn't voting for some reason and could be voting bvoigt (I assume he will once he finishes that ISO), Starbuck half-requested replacement.
  
• On the choosing: Jal's Choose is bad and, again, he's MIA, StefanB and mockingjaye have utterly useless Choosings, PlumNacho, Seraphim and MoI are voting a
  mason
  .
  
• On both: Look at this section:
  • Saporerint (6) - bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc, BBmolla, Shinori, Albert B. Rampage
    

    kortul (4) - Mastermind of Sin, BBmolla, Staeg, Shadow1psc
  I'll be damned if all of this is Town.

---

How the hell are we getting vanity wagons at 60 hours to deadline? Regfan, you should be ashamed.

DCLXVI deserves to die. He hasn't been very active elsewhere either, true, but he HAS been online and posting elsewhere while sitting on the most useless vote possible at this stage. The least he could do was pick a townread and sheep it onto usefulness, which he did SIX DAYS AGO and never changed when Dolorous Edd's vote on Jal is long gone. (Also, lol at the "omg I'm voting people it's not my fault they got caught before I got here look at me being defensive over votes I should be overjoyed about but oh wait why do I have such strong scumreads when I just claimed to be tired and sheeping?") Three days of absence from the thread and less than three days to deadline. GET MOVING OR YOU DIE. I don't even give half a damn if you shoot

me

, at this stage I'd suicide onto you myself and I'm the one who didn't take an action N1 when I was a suicide vig on Glork's Haiku Mafia. I want to see blood here.

The bvoigt wagon shows no sign of moving forward other than Feysal's ever-ongoing-catch-up. I'll compromise if that means this playerlist goes through a purge with fire and blood.

[Tyene Sand]

ABR! While you're here, put your vote on someone who actually has a possibility of flipping today, kthx. Content can wait, we need VOTES.

[Tyene Sand]

You seem to be one of the few people, if not the only person, to suspect Starbuck. What makes shooting her a better idea than shooting someone who you have a weaker scumread on, but also is more of a consensus choice as scum?

He's only saying this so people can stay away from his wagon.

But it doesn't really matter, since he's scum, etc.

Also, how do you feel about being lynched? Since you know, there is no wagon near yours, and there is a very very high percent that there won’t be in the next 2-3 days.

Ignoring suspicion won't just magically make it go away.

I'm not sure how to respond to this. I asked if anyone had questions for me, and have been trying to contribute. But anyway, there seems to be enough support for a Shadow lynch. I'm not really convinced he's scum, but....

UNVOTE: Saporerint
VOTE: Shadow1

What on earth is this.
People don't have to ask you questions. People don't have to do your work for you. If you're town, pull your own weight--no one is going to do that for you.
You have seven votes on you at the moment, and are voting your counterwagon just to save your skin without even acknowledging those voters. Who do you think are the scum in your wagon? Why aren't you engaging them AT ALL? Why are you just voting to save your sorry backside without giving any sign that you would be a much better asset to town than Shadow1psc?

[Tyene Sand]

Argh. As much as I want to punish him for being awful in general, I think he's town.

But ARGH. Seriously, dude, try to get a grip on the game you signed up for.

UNVOTE: bvoigt

Let me check the VC.

[Tyene Sand]

VOTE: Shadow1psc (L-3)

[Tyene Sand]

DCLXVI's meta claim is bullshit. Honestly, if I see a scum game of his in the near future where he opts to take the 'scum meta' catch-up post instead of what he is apparently aware is his 'typical town' catch-up style, there will be Issues with trust tells. If you're aware you do it, there's no freaking way you won't apply known town meta to scum games when possible (barring occasional subversions for certain situations). So yeah, I am most definitely not buying that. The Regfan bit sounds contrived, too.

And he's still a good Choose pick since he claimed VT. Threats to shoot Regfan or whoever else won't be the thing to move me.


I do buy Shadow1psc's claim, and an investigative role goes well with his Give No Fucks attitude because he knows he can figure things out at night. I don't like the attitude, but it doesn't make him scum. In addition, it's far too overpowered for scum in the likely multiball we're in due to 28p. A rolecop+roleblocker rolled into one is a beast of a thing and massively positive utility for scum, while a town roleblocker can actually be partial negative utility due to town not knowing the whole team (etc. etc. theory stuff). i.e. the power of a scum roleblocker will always be larger than a town roleblocker, and the same with a scum/town rolecop. It's overpowered for scum, but makes sense as town.

UNVOTE: Shadow1psc

There is definitely a huge problem with my pile of townreads and I will have to review it during N1. In the meantime, I really have no idea what to do with this vote.

[Tyene Sand]

I do admit I like the thinking behind this, though:

I'm not saying who I'm going to vig. Simply because I want to leave the possibility of myself and scum targeting the same player in case I shoot a townie.

[Tyene Sand]

*groan* 15 votes in 45h, Regfan? I guess we can reach that, but this is such a sad lynch, I don't even have a decent read on him one way or another. And with how late it is at the moment, I'm not about to start now.

Baaa, I guess. Guide us true.
VOTE: StefanB

[Tyene Sand]

Hey Starbuck--sheep someone. At this stage, you're not going to get anything more advanced than that. Skim the thread, pick a townread, follow them. I don't even suggest myself even though you seem to have a townread on me, because I'm in the opposite position--enough people have coughed up town behavior that I'm at a loss and likely to scrap everything and start anew during night.

And yes, MoI, I'm pretty confident that with Masons, a claimed PR, several other obvtown who are actually pulling their weight--I'm an unlikely N1 target. Even if I am to die overnight, I'd still do my reread before D2, because I'm tired of wasting time in larger games not reading during Night.

[Tyene Sand]

Regfan:
Heh, the vote hopping doesn't really say much to me, not n D1, not without any flips yet and when so many of us have been doing giants leaps across the board as well.
You're right in the actual scumhunting bit, but I don't know just how much is his typical MO, how much is scummy attitude, and how much is the fact that this game is 55 pages and 28p in D1. We're all tired at this stage, and we're all better at English than he is. It can be a struggle to go through that many words and still be useful.

That said, as before, hell, I'm fine with purging the thread and getting this playerlist down to manageable levels, so yeah, I can go with that vote to the gallows.


Mina:
See above. I think StefanB has a few townish things, but I'm past caring, I want a lynch, I want a round of night play, and I'm not seeing anything that is particularly making me defend him unlike

all the other failed wagons so far

. You'd laugh at my ridiculous lack of scumreads; at this stage, I'm lynching among nullish reads because

there's nothing lower

.

[Tyene Sand]

Not much to defend myself. Not much to claim either. (No PR and I am pretty sure from the crumps I used now and then you can last halway guess the direction of the character) I can die, but since beeing the alternative is not me and I have some unease about the plum/nachohydra against some time (nothing that much concrete, and not enough time to check how much time I mentioned here beside the point in my last post and that is unfortunatly not proven)

Unvote

Vote: Plum

About the choisethink, okay since I got less and less sure about Feysal but Satanscat is sounding like a true claim.

Unchose

But I am not sure who to give it to, Feysal is the main waggon and I more and more think he is town, I won't. Giving the gun to Starbuck seems like a bad idea.

So for my last words: Not yet. In a few hours.
I can only say sorry for inning and at last it would be good for Cersai at last (which should give away who I am)

And please don't give me a gun.

One hell of ISO - StefanB is posting without quotes at all, for context i had to open each post and look for possible questions he is answering or relevant posts he is addressing. And sometimes i just don't understand, what exactly he is trying to say, maybe because English isn't first language for both of us

Kortul I will take care of that problem, I may not do it today, but will so after the lynch.
This slot shut be more readable tomorrow.
I won't do anythink now, because it would be a hell of unfairness towards someone else so short before deadline.

But to be more mean.

Unchose
Chose: Kortul

Dude. You claim VT, give no flavor name, say you are going to be gone for a few hours, and then come back to this answer to kortul and more vague claims? What do you have to hide at this stage? Why is kortul more important than final contributions, rolename included?

I don't like things that confuse me this close to deadline. Speak plainly, we have less than 27h.

[Tyene Sand]

Less than three hours to go.

What the hell is this about no-lynching?

Mina, the point of lynches is getting scum AND analyzing what happened come later days! Why are you removing all worth of today's lynch wagons by proposing no lynch?

StefanB may well be town, but a no-lynch is worse than a mislynch. I want two town-powered deaths (lynch and choose). I want wagons. I want analysis. I want flips and reactions. I want to see flows between the lynch and choose wagons. These are things that point toward people's alignments. And you're trying to remove that? Why the hell are you afraid of a VT mislynch? Even if he is town, this lynch gives us delicious delicious info.

I am not unvoting. And people should get their votes on one of the main wagons and push it through. The idea of no-lynching on D1 of a Large is ridiculous.

[Tyene Sand]

Day 1, Votecount 56.5

Saporerint (2) - Albert B. Rampage, StefanB
Feysal (1) - Starbuck
bvoigt (8) - SnowStorm, Seraphim, Plums Yo Mamma, Dolorous Edd, Shinori, Feysal, Shadow1psc

StefanB (13) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Saporerint, kortul, DCLXVI, bvoigt, Staeg, mockingjaye, MagnaofIllusion, greenknight, BBmolla, Pandora, Jal

Plums Yo Mamma (1) Benmage

Not Voting (4):

Minimum, Plessiezarus, Lyanna Stark, Mastermind of Sin

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 5th September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)
  
• Countdown to deadline
  : (expired on 2012-09-05 18:59:59)
  
• Starbuck is V/la

76 minutes. Two votes needed. You know who I suddenly want dead?

Not Voting (4):

Minimum, Plessiezarus, Lyanna Stark, Mastermind of Sin

Get a frigging vote in.

None of you are new at this, you know we need a lynch. Stop pussy-footing and do it.

[Tyene Sand]

Talking things over with Zar in the QT now. Will have a vote soon (if needed).

How 'soon' is five hours later, Pless?

[Tyene Sand]

The point of lynching is to narrow the suspect pool, get a flip, and use a shot to get scum.

Right now there is no chance that Stefan is scum. If he is not lynched today, I'm willing to bet he will not be lynched for the rest of the game.

We're already getting at least two flips: DC's and his vig target.

Why just get rid of a townie for no reason?

Tell me you're joking, Mina.

TWENTY EIGHT PLAYERS. And you're shying away from a D1 lynch. I understand having too many townreads and being convinced that there is scum among the strong players you've cleared. But THIS? This won't fix the issue. This will make it WORSE and you know it. Get a vote down.

[Tyene Sand]

PLESS. You are not voting. Why are you advocating for a lynch when you're not even voting anyone?!

[Tyene Sand]

So you're going to drive this down to the last ten minutes and make me have a conniption when my connection inevitably fails and I can't see if there was actually a lynch, right, Pless?

I mean if I die of stress you get rid of a scumread, but

come on

. No one else is going to be voted for at this stage. What are you waiting for? Why the need to drag it into literally (welcome to Europe) the 11th hour?


PEdit: I just don't see the point of waiting, there aren't going to be massive revelations an hour to the deadline. But thanks for voting. You can get your cookie and juice pack on the table outside~

[Tyene Sand]

Hoooold on

let's not quicklynch

. I like this lynch, but

we have the jail vote to deal with as well so we want everyone to check in and state they have sent a vote

--and there's no need to quicklynch anyway.

I would also like to mock all those of you who were refusing me that redFF wagon from the beginning. <3

So, bvoigt, Mr. Scumbag dear: who did you shoot?


Also what in the Seven is with that pappums/Amrun/Seraphim/now Zdenek slot and why is it the lurkiest lurkaderp known to Westeros?

[Tyene Sand]

Zdenek--at best you are skimming my posts, at worst you're scum.

I jumped off greenknight because he claimed masons. I didn't go back to Feysal because I was not convinced Feysal was scum. And I was the first on a wagon that result in the death of scum. What the hell are you criticizing here? Don't I have a right to start wagons too? Unless you're claiming that I jumped off a mason onto my scumbuddy and pushed that wagon until the end (which was a wagon I had been supportive of

from the beginning due to redFF

, I have no idea how you think it makes sense for me to be scum at this stage.

And yes, I 'blather' a lot. That's who I am and how I play. Deal with it.

[Tyene Sand]

I like Benmage's idea.

We might have something like it was on Always On (that was virtually a recruitable traitor) or in Mafia of the Chosen Ones, with the same scumteam, but divided and without knowledge of who the other half are for a while.

I find it curious that, for all practical effects, we only had a kill. DCLXVI's 'faction', whatever that means, knew who he was going to kill, obviously. So: are they responsible for the death of the other mason, or do we have another killing group, or did they doublekill, or do we have successful protections--we're not going to get an answer now, but this is food for thought for later.

[Tyene Sand]

DCLXVI wasn't killed at the end of the day, folks. He was chosen. He died at NIGHT. Go read the mechanic. He had a chance to discuss things with his team even if they only have night-talk (which IIRC Faraday prefers to do over daytalk, but I might be wrong).

Lyanna and D. Edd have pretty good towntells in not realizing this (since DCLXVI's team obviously did). Pit it's people I already had townreads on.

[Tyene Sand]

s/pit/pity

So the person you nominate will

die during the next night phase

. On the other hand they won't just die. They'll recieve a 1-shot strongarm vig shot during the

night

which they can use to kill a player of their choosing. This strongman vig cannot be blocked/redirected/protected from by any active or passive abilities. Edit: So they'll kill and die on the same

night (Night 1)

[Tyene Sand]

Thanks. I didn't bother to check, that was from memory.


This is still bothering me. Why the masons? They were not being particularly useful, leading visibly, etc. They were not typical N1 kills, even for a team that could afford to off the two of them at once, if that is the case.

This is another indication that there is scum among my giant pile of townreads, and it's likely to be among the strong players. I'm sorry, but you don't let the lot of players who are reading TOWN TOWN TOWN live just to kill two meek, sheepish masons whose PR worth is essentially null at that stage.

Mark my words--there is scum among the strong players in this game, and they are hiding in the numbers of townreads (probably to foster paranoia, to which I say whelp, too late, suffering from it since Yesterday).

I want to lynch clear scum today, which means bvoigt, but I am incredibly wary of the people I've been clearing left and right. I need to see what reads stand up once multiball is factored in and possibly work with that. Work for tomorrow.

[Tyene Sand]

(if bvoigt is the SK, for instance, it's no mystery that Shadow wasn't killed -- nobody who wanted Shadow dead had the chance to kill him, since bvoigt was being role-blocked

This can't be the case due to shadow's result.

Incorrect. If we're going to go off the deep end of the speculation pool, a serial killer does not need active abilities.

Bulletproof, if they have it? It's passive.
Killing power? It's factional.
If they have an extra ability, it might be active or not. But the two typical aspects of a serial killer are usually not marked as active abilities. That's all speculation, though.

I wouldn't find it odd for bvoigt-scum to claim after Shadow1psc's Torturer claim, actually. 1) He could be distracted and missed Shadow1psc's claim (did he mention it before claiming? I should check but lazy etc.), in which case his faction probably doesn't have daytalk; 2) He thought he could get away with it, because deliberately blocking a vig on the night he can kill might not be in town's best interest. Odd-night vig can be a sleek claim for scum to make, because there are fewer 'missing' kills than with a full vig.

I would really like scumvoigt to post, though.


Regfan is right, though that was already evident in the vote count a while back. Nevertheless, I want bvoigt to post and more people's input on today. And I still have to look over Yesterday, but that's me being lazy atm.

[Tyene Sand]

Lowercase tomorrow, not Tomorrow. That is, today in RL days (we'll see, I have stuff to do), not D3.

And yes, I was speculating about the night-kills. The way the kills are ignored in current meta is disgraceful--I like discussing them and referring back to earlier impressions on later days. Having other people's input on things also helps me put things in perspective and see about likeliness of certain events.

[Tyene Sand]

Okay, I might be dense or something, but why do we want to preserve Shinori until tomorrow via jailing? Wouldn't it be a better idea for him to claim his result

now

and then we act on his results tomorrow?

It just seems a waste of a mechanic that might help us avoid a night-kill, because if we decide on it in public, scum will just kill someone else. And for what? Shinori reads townish, and that "I have something important to talk about" seemed townish as well, but frankly if the alternative is for him to be the jail target, I'd just rather he outed his info now and the jailing be kept private.


Zdenek--I'll come back to you; I'm starting a game session at the moment.

[Tyene Sand]

...except our DM is the slowest thing that ever slowed and it will probably be 40 minutes until my turn. So.

Explain how me being suspicious of you is scummy, how your read on Feysal developed and, while i asked this in one of my longer posts I'll repeat it here, why you thought bvoigt was town at the end of the day.

Because the way you're talking about your suspicion of me (and other people) seems to have skips of logic that don't make sense as something that is not deliberate misrepresentation. I might get back to you with more detail.

My read on Feysal changed somewhat after I checked his meta and I realized that he doesn't know my play as much as he appears to in the way he posts--there is a lot of conviction there that "this is how townTierce would act" that is then not reflected in his actual knowledge of me--we've played together only a few times, and while I have read a few games of his, the reverse hasn't apparently happened. Knowing that he doesn't have this meta-info tones down my scumread on Feysal, because I originally thought he was deliberately misrepresenting my actions.

As for bvoigt, no matter how useless, this felt pretty honest at the time:

You seem to be one of the few people, if not the only person, to suspect Starbuck. What makes shooting her a better idea than shooting someone who you have a weaker scumread on, but also is more of a consensus choice as scum?

He's only saying this so people can stay away from his wagon.

But it doesn't really matter, since he's scum, etc.

Also, how do you feel about being lynched? Since you know, there is no wagon near yours, and there is a very very high percent that there won’t be in the next 2-3 days.

Ignoring suspicion won't just magically make it go away.

I'm not sure how to respond to this. I asked if anyone had questions for me, and have been trying to contribute. But anyway, there seems to be enough support for a Shadow lynch. I'm not really convinced he's scum, but....

UNVOTE: Saporerint
VOTE: Shadow1

It had a sense of genuine frustration. Yes, I was pissed off that this post shows a complete lack of contribution, but the bit about

admitting

he didn't think the Shadow-wagon was right and yet voting it felt pretty honest.

[Tyene Sand]

This has to be the slipperiest wording I have ever seen. If you want to accuse me misrepresenting something, do it with examples. This Zdenek doesn't look like he's not misrepresenting people is bullshit. The fact that you are trying to paint me as scummy with this shit is another reason you need to die.

Sit and calm the hell down. Are you just skimming or what? I said I'm in the middle of a gaming session and gave you the cliff notes--you seriously can't expect me to draft a wall while I'm hacking at Eberron critters. I'll get back to you on it, I'm not going anywhere.

As for Feysal, you can start reading my posts and his. I'm not going to rehash that discussion again, it's plenty evident, in our posts, where I changed my mind and I'm not going to phrase it again for your convenience. Go ISO or something while we wait for bvoigt.

[Tyene Sand]

I assume I don't have an active ability, correct?

I want everyone to stop and put their hands up if they think they see something here.

I want this dead. Badly. ASAP.

[Tyene Sand]

Edd, that reeks of being a QT post misposted to the main thread.

[Tyene Sand]

Or worse--it's a PM to the mod. That makes more sense.

And no one town would make that post. It's a mafia/SK question.

Haaaai there we have our lynch for tomorrow. \o/

[Tyene Sand]

Mmyep. And it means Shadow1psc is NOT aligned with Saporerint's faction, because otherwise he wouldn't need to worry about being targeted unless lolgambit, and that gambit would more likely be claimed than outright performed with actual actions.

Excuse me, let me park my vote on scum for a little while.
VOTE: Saporerint

Hai scum.


PEdit: It has been known to happen. And why would he not ask questions to the mod (or other scumbuddies) via scum QTs? Most mods allow for that. It was my first instinct, then it hit me that, especially with the account slip, it was really intended as a PM and Iecerint failed horribly.

This feels like a cheap tactic of catching scum, but excuse me if I'm going to seize it.

[Tyene Sand]

I just went through my role PM and the samples on the first page. No, sorry, there is absolutely no excuse for a town player to make that question to the mod.

If there are guns (hey scum! want to crosskill?), aim them at Saporerint tonight. (Or bvoigt, we can play musical chairs with the lynch order.)

[Tyene Sand]

Of course there is a difference. It's called "no result" or "your target has no active abilities". What Shadow1psc described corresponds to a role with three result types: negative, roleblocked and positive. Like Normal Cops and Trackers.

So unless you are going to claim you roleblocked Shadow1psc (which you didn't since you don't have active abilities), this discussion makes no sense from the POV of someone who is trying to figure out Shadow1psc's role--why would you be wondering about YOUR active abilities?

I understand you can't get close to the discussion you had with the mods, but this is very damning evidence, Iece.

[Tyene Sand]

I intend to vote bvoigt, that wagon is awesome. But I'm waiting for him to speak up first and I'm parking my vote on Other Scum while waiting for it--this feels good, so excuse me~

[Tyene Sand]

*has not sent in a vote yet*

[Tyene Sand]

Okay, bugger that. I can't be bothered to muster the patience to show Zdenek the amount of crap he's throwing in hopes it sticks.

Whatever your alignment: you're wrong. Plum put it quite well, and considering there is a grand total of three people calling me scum, it's going to be a long time before I can be convinced to spend time defending myself from a lynch that's not going to happen.

I think Magua is town. While that post is heavily lacking, I can see the way he achieved some of the non-obvious reads. The main thing I dislike

s

the way some of his reads are connected without substance; going over his read on me, for example, you'd expect him to develop the Regfan line more, but you go back to Regfan and it's just an empty loop. However, I

do

understand how he's getting the read he has on me, and it's called Paranoia Mafia, where I was scum and was blatantly calling out town on not knowing their own role PMs. There's an issue here, Magua--in Paranoia, I was clearly not giving a damn about the players' motivations in doing Stupid Shit. Here I've been trying to reason them out and making up my mind about it.


Iecerint and saporovirus have been online since the PM stuff. So have Faraday and Nexus--they have certainly received info on how to address such a PM concern, if they are actually discussing it with the mods. The fact that they don't see any urgency in sharing it doesn't sit well with me.

The same goes for bvoigt. After that prod dodge, he has been online and hasn't even commented on

anything

? I'm not buying it, and I would lynch him without further questioning at this stage.

Sending in my jailkeep vote. Will compile a list of who has sent votes and post it in a moment.

[Tyene Sand]

BBmolla - unknown

Benmage - sent

bvoigt - unknown

Dolorous Edd - sent

Feysal - unknown, probably unsent

Jal - sent
kortul - sent

Lyanna Stark - unsent

MagnaofIllusion - sent
Magua - sent

Mastermind of Sin - unknown

Minimum - sent

mockingjaye - unsent

Pandora - sent
Plessiezarus - sent

Plums Yo Mamma - unsent

Regfan - sent
Saporerint - sent

Scumhunter - unknown

Shadow1psc - sent

Shinori - unsent

Staeg - sent
Tyene Sand - sent

Zdenek - unknown

That's 10 out of 24. Please don't rush this day phase without their input.

[Tyene Sand]

Magua, MoI? I believe Minimum and I are the ones saying that there is something wrong with the pseudo-universal obvtown reads, and Tammy and I are the ones who think the mason deaths are somewhat odd and point to scum among those.

(Well yes, Magua is calling me scum, but I still have to see

you

do that.)

[Tyene Sand]

This should be interesting. After Blood Bowl and Mafia Behind the Maiden, I'm done mustering the emotional willpower to complain about vid kills. If it's true, so be it, and you're an idiot if you're town. If it's fake, you're an idiot too.

[Tyene Sand]

I can't even type them right, the woe.

s/vid/vig

s/vig/fake vig


Thanks, Faraday--less time spent draining the vodka bottle~

[Tyene Sand]

I'm always ignored after I die. That's my main complaint. Anyone who cares enough about my reads will go through what is already posted in the thread, and the emotional rollercoaster that I've been put through in the last hours really doesn't give me the strength to bother. I'm not about to compile lists for the lazy--and if final reads would be the thing to cause you to back off from a fake vig target (of which this is now the third time for me in MS), you are a poor Town player, Zdenek. It's about

how

people react, not what

is

actually posted. Daykill gambits are usually poorly executed to begin with (by the by, you should pull them while the mods are away from their computers to ensure maximum reactions).

I've been lynched one time out of twenty town games, and it was my second game on the site + first large theme. Was lynched three times out of seven completed scum games. That should give you a hint on how my alignment is pretty much always obvious and I can't be bothered to throw hissy fits anymore.

I'm thoroughly bored with this day phase. It's awesome that we have what is likely to be two scum in our hands and that they are dying today and tomorrow, but I just can't be bothered to care until we move on from this--they're not even willing to put up a fight anymore, so I want them lynched and onward and upward. The only reason I'm not voting bvoigt is the pending jailkeep votes.

[Tyene Sand]

Also, can everyone rank Sapo, Jal, Staeg, and Mockingjaye in order of suspicion please?

Saporerint
Staeg
Jal - mockingjaye

Start lynching from the top.

[Tyene Sand]

Private jailkeeping votes:

BBmolla - unknown

bvoigt - unknown

Feysal - unknown, probably unsent

Lyanna Stark - unsent

mockingjaye - unsent

Scumhunter - unknown

Shinori - unsent

L-3 on bvoigt, still apparently 7 jailkeep votes to go. Please get them in.

[Tyene Sand]

Last visited:
12 Sep 2012 22:47:13

Please die.

[Tyene Sand]

Benmage: I'd like those votes to be sent--because they are votes we can hold these people accountable for. If they won't vote, there is little info to be gathered there other than what we know already: they are lazy lumps who can't be bothered to post. :3

Prod received. Still waiting for the jailkeep housekeeping to finish up.

- Iec

...are you kidding me.

People have told you that your PM 'explanation' is no explanation at all, and this is all you have in return? No willingness to clarify it further? No further comments on anything? How is this a protown mindset?

[Tyene Sand]

Mmyeah. I've had my share of stupid gambits to be bothered complaining too much even if it was real. I'm saving rageposts for dead QTs in the future.

Why hello itty bitty scumclaim committee~ I wanna vote you so badly. I don't have time to read scum posts, you can take your WIFOM and go home. At least have the decency to troll with cute baby animal images.

[Tyene Sand]

Meh. Boring.

Hey bvoigt, who do you think is the other scumteam?

[Tyene Sand]

Can someone unvote bvoigt, please? We're lynching him today, but he's at L-2 and I don't want anyone to go OOPS L-1 for him to selfhammer until we sort out these three:

mockingjaye - unsent
Scumhunter - unknown
Shinori - unsent

Yes, I'm asking you to unvote claimed scum. Play ball a little.

[Tyene Sand]

Scumhunter has been online and, being Scumhunter, can hardly be bothered to tell us whether he has sent in a jailkeep vote. Hooray!

My patience has a limit and that is (expired on 2012-09-15 09:00:00) from now. Will cast my vote then if nothing else of significance happens in the meantime.

[Tyene Sand]

Just get on with it and send in a jailkeep vote, please. We're waiting on you to end this day phase, as everyone else has done it or claimed scum.

[Tyene Sand]

VOTE: bvoigt

[Tyene Sand]

Haven't read.

@mods: I'll have limited access until the 22nd. Party time. \o/

[Tyene Sand]

I haven't read the game. However, I do have two things to say about what I skimmed of Saporerint's claim:

1) Faraday loathes watchers with a passion;
2) There was a game in which Mina had a self-watcher (compulsive, one-shot, I think) (because she's evil).

This is not a Mina-game, but Faraday being Faraday, etc. Minimum, you're the best people to give input on the likelihood that this is actually a role that exists in this game.


...I seem to see that Dolorous Edd targeted Saporerint? Haven't read that far, will definitely not be bothered to do so for now. >.>

[Tyene Sand]

Because I’ve noticed a tendancy for newer / weaker scum players to try to mimic the beheaviors of stronger Town (or Town perceived) players as a manner of buddying. It usually manifests itself in undertaking behaviors they don’t normally due.

As an example – Katsuki in Plum and Andrius’s Lord of the Rings Mafia suddenly started using “Town / Scum lists” (see Posts 121 and 188) out of the blue. He explains at 293 that it is his first time using it (and he ‘liked” it). Yet he’s never done it since. The reason why? He was wanting to subtly mimic stronger players (the DGB / Ellibereth hydra being the best example) also doing it.

I’ll have to review but I don’t recall you ever doing that on a consistent basis Day 1 in games before. It dinged my scumdar since some strong players (Benmage / Regfan) who are using lists here.

I'm going to cut you right here re: Salamence and copying behaviors/sheeping. I like your reasoning, but he actually does this kind of thing as town.

@Tyene

- Whenever you get back please link me to said games of Salamance copying behaviors as Town you used to head of my line of discussion here.

I'm sorry

Dave

, I can't do that.


Give me 48 hours and I'll be back in the game. Far too busy right now.

[Tyene Sand]

I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.

Are you saying you can't justify your heading off of my suspicion of that slot with links to completed games showing that sort of behavior as Town?

That level of suspicion was invalid; I stand by that. I just can't provide you links at present due to aspects outside my control.

GODHAND: Plums Yo Mamma

See you Friday afternoon.

[Tyene Sand]

Staeg (7) - Pandora, Minimum, Dolorous Edd, Magua, Jal, mockingjaye, Mastermind of Sin
MagnaofIllusion (1) - Scumhunter
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) - MagnaofIllusion
Tyene Sand (1) - Zdenek

You have got to be kidding me. I have been skimming like a pro and even I was aware that voting was a terrible idea until we had the Godhand business done.

What the hell are these votes doing here? "Look at me, so protown voting for someone I think is scum!" (I don't even know why y'all are voting Staeg, btw. Wheee mega skim.)

Guess what. Protown play is TEAMWORK. Protown play is what delayed yesterday's lynch to get as much info as possible.

I want to slap all of you. Especially Zdenek, but that's a matter of principle regardless of his alignment. (Voting me is a scumtell, obv.)


And now back to your scheduled programming.

[Tyene Sand]

Catch up tomorrow.

[Tyene Sand]

I'll never catch up at this rhythm--I'll just wing it and refer back to previous posts on the go. Let's see how badly

that

goes.

I'm not asking for someone to sum up the game for me, but in case someone has already done so, please link me to it?


Shinori is correct that I didn't do anything Night Three. In addition, I think he's town.

Things I specifically want to read when I get a little time are the reasons for the current votes. Baby steps. And I completely need to sort my townreads in Not Stannis and Not Aegon format.

Don't give BB an Aegon-pass for his role PM claim. Yes, BB doesn't like playing scum, but that would totally be the reckless move he would do as part of that faction.

I want to reread Saporerint for that Informed thing.

Zdenek continues to amuse, yet concerns me on a lyncher level at this stage. Why would I defend Salamence, who is a 'dead weight' level of player, and then turn around and bus the slot when was replaced by a more competent pair of players who were doing a good job of looking town? Yes, Iece slipped, but take off your tunnel goggles--I was the first one pushing that slip.

Magua: it's a huge game (still), I was busy in the last two weeks. Yes, I'm going to be somewhat disengaged because I

haven't been here

. But painting me as such throughout the whole game is not only a misrepresentation, it's also stupid burden of proficiency. I don't particularly care what expectations you have of me or Minimum.

[Tyene Sand]

But of course I do. Now go read through games I was actually busy in

as town

. Mini 1333 will do. Disengaged in general? Otherworld Mafia. (Try having a town PR fuck you over every night as town and you'll see what I mean about that damned game.) And a variety of Large Themes for simple "ugh this game has too many people can't read them all" stuff. I'd know, I always end up in Large Themes when I should know better. >.>

Being accused of being disengaged is ridiculous--it wasn't in this account (my bad), but I was V/LA for the last week; I had the Violet Skittle visiting me. Accusing me of not paying proper attention to this thread when, despite that, I am still the fourth player with most posts in this thread, is ridiculous and you know it, Magua. Name ONE sticky situation while I was not V/LA which I avoided and I'll grant you that point, but ffs, I've been pulling my weight as possible.

In addition: should I be finding scum? I was the one leading the DCLXVI Choose wagon as a second lynch, controlled the speed of the bvoigt lynch, and caught Saporerint on a slip. I'm having my best streak by far and you're calling that not good enough. I mean, I could be trolling Mr. Not In This Game chesskid3, but I honestly don't know what else you expect me to do in a game where I

have

been producing protown results through my dayplay, which is more than I can say for most of my town games like... ever. ._.

[Tyene Sand]

Greyscaling someone because they are playing their role badly is a stupid idea. I love Justice wagons, but they don't catch scum.

And I still haven't looked more carefully at this game. fffff okay will try and do that today.

Scumhunter is trolling and those of you who believe the Jaime Lannister claim are, well, being trolled.

At a first glance, I don't like any of the present wagons. I need to really pay attention to this game.

Probably

after the concerts today. >.>

[Tyene Sand]

Post 252 makes me a little paranoid of Tyene along with has's commenton Post 264

Explain. Because it makes no sense for you to say these posts make you paranoid when you then say I'm not aligned with the Stannis faction (redFF/DCLXVI).

[Tyene Sand]

Regfan: it's Scumhunter being Scumhunter. I'm not saying that my role PM says he's lying, I'm just saying I don't believe a word out of his mouth. Look at his play so far. Don't know, don't care, I think the slot is town and I really don't want to waste time on it, which means that the wagon on it is rather irritating because it's such a red herring (Lyanna, kortul, this means you).

I'm increasingly convinced MoS is scum. That numbers dance is pretty ridiculous when it comes to justifying his vote. It reads a lot like fake :effort: and fake rails for him to leave should he flip scum (he does love to do that, see GvE with scum-MoS). VCA isn't secret numerology, which is what he's trying to pass it off as. Still, would scum MoS 'test-drive' a plan like this in a game in which he was scum? In multiball, at that, where he could be scumhunting genuinely?
Then again, he does get caught as scum, so I guess I should stop second-guessing myself.

VOTE: Mastermind of Sin

Lyanna, I'd like some input on MoS from you, please.

Didn't even notice the account fail. Sorry, mods.

Shinori, kortul was addressing me about Starbuck/Scumhunter, not talking about me.
(In addition, with Doctor Who Mafia now over, I need to reiterate that I read kortul as town and would like people with scumreads on him to compare his play with that game.)

Magua, you seem to have ignored the post in which I showed your reasoning on me boils down to nothing. In addition, you seem to be using the Goon number to assume that the majority (or a good share) of scum alive will have an active role/would have killed when I was tracked nowhere. I understand not taking tracker negatives as proof of alignment, but this doesn't seem to match the core of your reasoning. Are you suggesting I'm a goon who didn't act?

4nxi3ty: Town-MoS is very lazy. He gets better in later days, true, but it still seems a lot of effort to present in a game this size and then... not reach a really viable conclusion. It's a behavior uncharacteristic of town-MoS, but it makes sense from scum-MoS.

[Tyene Sand]

Magua, you seem to have ignored the post in which I showed your reasoning on me boils down to nothing. In addition, you seem to be using the Goon number to assume that the majority (or a good share) of scum alive will have an active role/would have killed when I was tracked nowhere. I understand not taking tracker negatives as proof of alignment, but this doesn't seem to match the core of your reasoning. Are you suggesting I'm a goon who didn't act?

My thinking about you being a goon who didn't act is muddled. I'm shelving it for the time being.

My comment at Shinori was that, given all three scumflips so far have been goons, assuming that the mafia are more likely to be PRs is a bad assumption.

Fair enough, but assuming that the remaining scumbags are likely to have a decent amount of PRs is in line with the previous ASOIAF games.

4nxi3ty: Town-MoS is very lazy. He gets better in later days, true, but it still seems a lot of effort to present in a game this size and then... not reach a really viable conclusion. It's a behavior uncharacteristic of town-MoS, but it makes sense from scum-MoS.

You *do* realize that I have been try-harding as town lately, right? And that there's documented evidence of this?

By all means, go on. Show me where I'm wrong--if nothing else, your words show that I'm not imagining this kind of behavior in your not-recent meta, so I'd like to see this evidence of you making an effort as town recently.

[Tyene Sand]

You were in GvE, Nacho. You know activity and prod dodges aren't remotely indicative of alignment when it comes to Feysal. It's frustrating, yes. Very much so, and I wish he'd keep to smaller games when he clearly doesn't have the free time to be participative. But it doesn't mean anything and I seriously distrust the way you seem to be pushing it as relevant.

[Tyene Sand]

Whelp. Keep all body parts inside the correct account at all times.

Vote: Scumhunter

You were in GvE, Nacho. You know activity and prod dodges aren't remotely indicative of alignment when it comes to Feysal. It's frustrating, yes. Very much so, and I wish he'd keep to smaller games when he clearly doesn't have the free time to be participative. But it doesn't mean anything and I seriously distrust the way you seem to be pushing it as relevant.

Yes I was, and for some reason we have two very, very different memories of Feysal prod dodging. I seem to remember him pushing a BBMolla wagon like hell for a while, I remember he was convinced Typo Incarnate was scum for a while, he also had a lot to do with defending the shit out of me in MyLo because I lurked so fucking much.

Here, he's been prod dodging, but his reads haven't been changing at all as I'd expect town-Feysal's to, and he hasn't been frustrated on days when there wasn't much chance of lynching this scumread that has been so strong he's been pushing it from Page 3.

My read on Feysal is wavery. I wasn't in GvE, but I read along for a good part of it. I also followed Chrono Trigger even after I replaced out, and there he was scum. Yes, you are right about one thing: his insistence/consistence on this one Starbuck/Scumhunter wagon is distressing, and I'd like to see him address your slot's points. What made red flags come up was your focus on the prod dodging, which is typical Feysal, without bringing these other points up.

Then there is Plumamma. What the hell? Recently you keep calling my Starbuck vote stupid, but have you ever even commented on my case? I also remember hearing how meta should not be a shield, but a sledgehammer, or words to that effect. I don't give a damn how lazy Scumhunter is as town, my case is not about him anyway. I looked up meta on Starbuck too earlier in the game, and what I saw from her as town had nothing in common with her woe is me attitude in this game. And you talk as if no one ever caught scum on page three. Neither Starbuck or Scumhunter has ever done anything to make me reverse that read.

I have called your case stupid, yes.

You're essentially saying that Starbuck got an isolated Aegon goon PM, and decided to get herself chosen so she could shoot someone town?

The "woe is me" attitude you refer to is a bit off-base; she never says "I'm a liability, choose me", she says "I'm a VT, choose me".
And sure, people have definitely caught scum and page 3. But do they update their case when it is page 102? Usually, yes.

This

is actually an excellent point. I really can't see someone like Starbuck, who just got out from an hiatus and is still very much uneasy with the current site meta, pulling that move as, say, an Uninformed Aegon goon. It would be a terrible idea--she could shoot one of her own buddies. This is not to say she can't be Informed Aegon or Stannis, but why would a member of a fractured scum faction sacrifice herself like that if she were Aegon, Informed or Uninformed? And Stannis... I still don't think so.

I mentioned kortul earlier from Doctor Who Mafia. Starbuck was there too, and there she was just as eager to jump in and make a difference and botched it. As town. This is a player who thinks a 1-shot Commuter can make a lot of difference in a Mini. Come on--her D1 self-Choose is a level of naivety and comfort with the role she claimed that she would not show if she were scum.

I'm not lynching this slot. Period. It makes no sense as scum, and it is just a huge lynch magnet that doesn't need to be. Scumhunter is trolling, yes. I'd love to see him replace out. But unless I have clear-cut evidence of him deliberately fucking up a LyLo for his team, I am not going to lynch his slot. Like Katsuki, he's way smarter than he paints himself, and that is all a gimmick. Stop looking at the attitude and look at the alignment.

It doesn't make sense as scum.

[Tyene Sand]

By all means, go on. Show me where I'm wrong--if nothing else, your words show that I'm not imagining this kind of behavior in your not-recent meta, so I'd like to see this evidence of you making an effort as town recently.

You can check out Always On (where the mod just gave me an award for best use of mechanic) or The Reckoning II (where I had to pretty much single-handedly save the game after Fate and a bunch of quick-lynching dumbasses nearly handed scum a win), and there's another ongoing game that I'm dead in where I was also fairly proactive as town. I've been somewhat turning a corner on my play lately (got bored of being bored, I guess you could say), just depends on how much people annoy me or piss me off. That said, I can't say with 100% certainty that this change wouldn't also apply to my scum game, as I haven't had any scum games recently to compare to.

In this game in particular, however, I mostly just needed to do something to get my head back in the game because the last few game days have not really been productive for me to get a grip on things, since bvoigt was an obvious lynch Day 2 and you guys killed my main suspect, Sala/Sapo, before I even had a chance to check out the game thread Day 3. Hasn't really helped me get a feel for who else might be scum, so I needed to go back and look at things fresh with as little pre-existing prejudice as possible. Hence my analysis posts (duh!). I'm planning to take a look at a few other things in this game eventually, but that becomes less and less likely to happen the more I have to spend my only free game-posting time responding to retarded people in this game saying I put no effort into my analysis.

Obviously I'd expect to put effort into scum games, otherwise you'd be creating deliberate town meta. Worry not, that's not what I'm asking.

I'll go through these games tomorrow and mull this over. Thanks for answering.

[Tyene Sand]

EBWOP:
"Obviously I'd expect

you

to put effort" etc.


Also, I'd like to present this. This was a Mini Normal in which Scumhunter acted perfectly normal, used his role well, helped town win.
Please, Scumhunter? No one really has fun with the pointless trolling and this is just a stupid wild goose chase. Instead of antagonizing each other, just participate actively or replace out. I know you're capable of contributing, so I'd love to see that slot do its best, we're really close to deadline.


PEdit: That makes sense. Honestly, though, I doubt that will do anything with Feysal. I'd know, I've tried. This is a player who doesn't even defend himself much when being wagoned because he's always so freaking far behind and doesn't choose to ditch the older pages and deal with what's important

right now

--that lead to his lynch, as scum, in Chrono Trigger. (He might have been doomed by PoE anyway, but he was so far behind that by the time he got to posting he was hammered.)

[Tyene Sand]

Goddammit Nacho I really hope you're town. I hate this paranoia and the waiting because there's nothing to be done about you.

[Tyene Sand]

Goddammit. I keep forgetting, and this actually gets harder when it's my only alted account active at the moment.

Not quite. It's only at the end of D5.

(This is a reply to Nacho's Post 2557 about being alignment-confirmed tomorrow morning.)

---

Well just from the amount of death you're putting into the thread now you seem more townie then ever before. Apparently just being touched by Greyjoy makes you awesome? It's been hard to look at your posts and say anything besides 'I agree yo'. Either way you're at least not scum with someone so there's no reason not to take you at face value.

It's embarrassing actually that you're having to put that much effort into arguing that Starhunter isn't scum, this should have been an easy cleared up 3 days ago thing. Starbuck wasn't scum, Scumhunter isn't scum, and the only guy who holds that golden lynch apple to heart is Feysal. Everyone else is just voting with their annoyance. Seriously Feyal is a guy whose singular posts were something I liked to read for intelligent and insightful thoughts into the game and right now he's not just left behind, he's not even trying to change his point of view.

PEdit: That makes sense. Honestly, though, I doubt that will do anything with Feysal. I'd know, I've tried. This is a player who doesn't even defend himself much when being wagoned because he's always so freaking far behind and doesn't choose to ditch the older pages and deal with what's important

right now

--that lead to his lynch, as scum, in Chrono Trigger. (He might have been doomed by PoE anyway, but he was so far behind that by the time he got to posting he was hammered.)

So basically you're saying he's acting like his scum meta? :V

No. I'm saying that, regardless of Feysal's alignment, I don't expect him to vigorously defend himself or realize that games this large are too much for him, drop what he's doing and deal with the current pages instead of being stuck tens of pages behind. It's frustrating, because I really like him as a player.

[Tyene Sand]

Regfan, why do you think an 4nxi3ty lynch is more likely to happen at this stage than a MoS lynch?

[Tyene Sand]

@mods, please replace Scumhunter.

[Tyene Sand]

Follower.

Investigative roles should always be Active roles--they require the player to deliberately send in an action. Passive roles are things like Bulletproof, Nexus, Lovers, etc.

A Follower will only see actions being performed--he doesn't get results like "Lovers", because Lovers don't have actions. Same for Masons, Neighbors, Bulletproof. He gets "Player X performed an action of the type Y" or something like that. In Shinori's case, he probably got something like "Tierce/Your target performed no action", which corresponds to the truth.

It's like a tracker. A tracker doesn't see passive roles either--just active ones. The difference is that a follower sees action

types

, while a tracker sees action

targets

.

[Tyene Sand]

Hi Tim. Tierce here.

Minimum (Mina/Cogito Ergo Sum)
Lyanna Stark (Tammy)
Tyene Sand (Tierce)
Plum's Yo Mamma (Nachomamma/Plum)
Pandora (Shadoweh/Quilford)

[Tyene Sand]

Would rather lynch Thor out of the lot. Jal read town to me, but there's only so much BS I can take from someone.

UNVOTE: AurorusVox
VOTE: Thor665

[Tyene Sand]

*eyebrow*

You know better than to make ad hominem attacks as town, Timeater.

What is it with replacements in this game insisting on killing my townreads on their slots?

[Tyene Sand]

So this wasn't even reaction-testing the easiest-to-rile-up player in the game? That's disappointing. (Would be useless anyway unless you wanted to gauge "how much she cares about scumhunting" v. "how pissy she gets with insults" and some town players hit extreme right on that scale

in any case

, so as most reaction tests--it sucks.)

I don't care if she started it. You know how Maf.Maiden turned out. And yes, I'm a fine one to talk about that game.

Tone it down, will you? This is a game, there's no need for that attitude. Save it for postgame if it's so important to you.

[Tyene Sand]

What is it with replacements in this game insisting on killing my townreads on their slots?

I dunno, you still haven't explained how I did it - even though I've asked.

It's a good thing that I don't have to explain myself to you, then.

[Tyene Sand]

Don't you think pointing it out would help all those other idiot towns to vote correctly?

That's boring and I'm not about to bother with a case for you to deconstruct. People should just sheep Minimum.

[Tyene Sand]

It's 6 am, really Mina?

Everything Thor is doing reeks of fakeness and posturing.

And as for Timeater, it's about one of his Town Commandments--he insists that ad hominem attacks is terrible Town play, but he went all against Tammyanna in a way that was profoundly jarring with what I expected from him.

Replacements and townreads: Thor replaced Jal/Pine, a slot I was reading as Town. Timeater replaced Starbuck/Scumhunter, and I've made plenty clear that this is a strong townread. Their actions so far aren't impressing me.

[Tyene Sand]

Replacements and townreads: Thor replaced Jal/Pine, a slot I was reading as Town. Timeater replaced Starbuck/Scumhunter, and I've made plenty clear that this is a strong townread. Their actions so far aren't impressing me.

so why not trust your old townreads a little bit and vote for someone you find unreadable?

No thank you, still busy sheeping Minimum. I've seen Thor argue the exact same way as scum an I'm not buying his nonsense.

Are you seriously telling me that Feysal's hypo-scumteam is so incompetent as to not help him/nudge him via QT during the night phases, at least? Because Feysal looks seriously abandoned like only town-Feysal would be at this stage. I am not moving and I will not contribute to a Feysal lynch.

[Tyene Sand]

Maybe one day you'll explain to me how mafia is about "winning" arguments instead of using them as springboards for figuring out alignments and getting your scumreads lynched, Thor. As it stands, I believe your play reeks of scum from that attitude.

...there I go arguing with my scumreads again. I hereby refuse to turn this into a back and forth and I'm thankful there is a night phase coming up.

[Tyene Sand]

And yet another role it will be difficult finding connections with due to presumed one-way connection.

AV, go read the game. Zdenek, no, sorry, still not scum. I was playing around with flavor due to the D1 mechanics.

This leaves me wondering, though. We still have a kill missing from N1--so unless there was double-killing on masons that weren't contributing much, there is the possibility that Feysal was recruited that night (in which case Mason #2 was killed by Aegon-scum). That might help figuring out potential connections as we cannot fully assume he was an

un

recruited traitor.

[Tyene Sand]

Bleh. Nevermind that, I still stand by this:

Are you seriously telling me that Feysal's hypo-scumteam is so incompetent as to not help him/nudge him via QT during the night phases, at least? Because Feysal looks seriously abandoned like only town-Feysal would be at this stage. I am not moving and I will not contribute to a Feysal lynch.

He makes more sense as an unrecruited traitor.

...why Benmage? Lyanna I can get, but Benmage?
Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean there isn't scum among my stronger-players townreads.

[Tyene Sand]

it is not out of character for tierce to use flavorful phrases.

What games of mine have you read?

[Tyene Sand]

...because I was voting bvoigt? Who had nine votes on him, including mine? You're saying I chose to lead a wagon on my able-to-kill scumbuddy instead of bussing a role that presumably couldn't kill? That makes absolutely no sense, Zdenek. Look at this and call me scum to my face again, I dare you:

Day 1, Votecount 41

Saporerint (6) - bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc, BBmolla, Shinori, Albert B. Rampage
Feysal (1) - Starbuck
Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (3) - Lyanna Stark, Benmage, kortul

bvoigt (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB

Jal (1) - DCLXVI
DCLXVI (2) - Regfan, Minimum

Not Voting (5):

Mockingjaye, Plessiezrus, Jal, Feysal, Saporerint

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 5th September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)

CHOOSE TO EXTERMINATE

Dolorous Edd (1) - Jal

Feysal (9) - Bvoigt, greenknight, Shinori, DCLXVI, Dolorous Edd, Benmage, Albert B. Rampage, Pandora, SnowStorm

Minimum (2) - StefanB, Lyanna Stark
Starbuck (1) - Starbuck
Shadow1psc (1) - Mockingjaye
greenknight (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Plessiezarus, kortul, Seraphim, MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, Feysal
kortul (4) - Mastermind of Sin, BBmolla, Staeg, Shdow1psc

Not Choosing (1):

Saporerint

With 28 alive it takes 15 to 'Choose'. Once a choose has 15 votes it will be locked in but not end day.

Day 1, Votecount 42

Saporerint (6) - bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc, BBmolla, Shinori, Albert B. Rampage
Feysal (1) - Starbuck
Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (3) - Lyanna Stark, Benmage, kortul

bvoigt (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB

Jal (1) - DCLXVI
DCLXVI (2) - Regfan, Minimum

Not Voting (5):

Mockingjaye, Plessiezrus, Jal, Feysal, Saporerint

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 5th September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)

CHOOSE TO DELETE

Dolorous Edd (1) - Jal

Feysal (9) - Bvoigt, greenknight, Shinori, DCLXVI, Benmage, Albert B. Rampage, Pandora, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd

Minimum (2) - StefanB, Lyanna Stark
Starbuck (1) - Starbuck
Shadow1psc (1) - Mockingjaye
greenknight (8) - Plum's Yo Mamma, Minimum, Plessiezarus, kortul, Seraphim, MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, Feysal
kortul (4) - Mastermind of Sin, BBmolla, Staeg, Shdow1psc
DLCXVI (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (1):

Saporerint

With 28 alive it takes 15 to 'Choose'. Once a choose has 15 votes it will be locked in but not end day.

You're claiming I counterwagoned my own traitor (that you claimed I knew about)

with my own scumbuddy?

What on earth are you smoking?

[Tyene Sand]

Spoiler: Bite me, Zdenek.

Starbuck: Scum won't shoot other scum. Scum will choose town. But it's still a 1:1 result on N1, which would benefit town since there's more town than scum to begin with. Choosing someone

you know

to be town (i.e. yourself) is stupid, because odds are you're going to end up shooting town since there's more town than scum, and then it's 2:0. Best odds for town is choosing-town-who-shoots-scum, another 1:1, but it's not very likely to happen.

Make sense?

UNVOTE: Starbuck
VOTE: Feysal

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: redFF

Unnecessary posturing.

Let's reverse that, actually.

UNCHOOSE: redFF
CHOOSE: Feysal

UNVOTE: Feysal
VOTE: redFF

you don't get something

Starbuck appears to be hopeless (sic) confused about

And this is why that Starbuck wagon is a terrible idea.

I believe there are intelligent minds even outside Dorne, and thus suspect the votes still on Starbuck after her confusion became patent. However, I very much disagree with Pandoreh that Dolorous Edd is the most egregious of those voters; he seems mostly confused, too (Does the Wall freeze your brains as well as your minds, oh Watchman?), while redFF is openly

chiding

Starbuck in a way that is quite improbable as someone who is trying to figure out her alignment. As I doubt redFF is town gone into rabid tunnel mode 90 posts in, his behavior is highly suspect and merits a lovely

wedding

wagon and painful death.

My bad, I

try to block out everything MoI says

forgot that.

Is this what warranted the bickering? Because it's the only strike-out that was remotely related to you.

You can't take lighthearted jabs at the fact that you're a wall-poster and I don't particularly like your style of play, which means I stop reading ASAP once I get a townread on you?

In that case, I'll keep it strictly business from now on. I'm sorry if that offended you, but it's the honest truth and you've seen me do so before, so I don't know where the surprise is coming from.

Ok, why are people talking about PLing MoI? He didn't seem like PL material the game I played with him.

No one is doing that, thus my confusion as to why he's playing the pity card when no one is pushing him on policy (though yes, he deserves it).

No one is doing that

, thus my confusion as to why he's playing the pity card when no one is pushing him on policy (

though yes, he deserves it

).

Minimum has basically made it know I'm a completely acceptable Policy lynch

There are a lot of inconsistencies here. At least from my POV right now.

Also, still re-reading stuff. Dolorous is def town though, she is legitimately scum-hunting.

Stop skimming the latest page and go read the game. You'll understand the policy stuff when you're through.

I am, but I'm terrible with names You have no idea how many times I have to skip back to the appendix to figure out who is who. I didn't take the time yet to figure out who you are yet.

Ok, so MoI thinks people are trying to Pl him but they aren't? But some players are saying that MoI would deserve to get PLd?

The fact that he deserves it does not mean it's happening. Seriously, go read, this is among of the tiniest things you could have poked at and the fact that you're going at it without all the context makes it all the more frustrating to see. You have 29 pages to go through, please get started instead of interjecting about this kind of thing.

Um the reason I commented on it was because it was the latest post right as I joined. I am going to comment on other stuff. You do realized I have 25 pages to go over.

I do realize that. That's why I've asked you to

stop commenting on things you have no context for

and

please go read

, which appears to be something you're not giving priority to.

I may have a bit of a short fuse with you, but my identity should clue you in as to why's that. So please, just go do your catch-up and get back when you have actual reads.

Yes, I know who you are.

Things I think I know:
-Dolorous is town. From the posts of hers I skimmed its clear she is active and definitely scum hunting which is good.

-

Tierce's

Tyene Sand's reaction to me joining the game was just very odd. Before reading the thread I start commenting on the few most recent posts and she
somehow takes offense at that, yes it may have been something minimal, but hey, I was trying to figure out what was going on in the game and my posts did not warrant that type of negative reaction. Not sure how to read her right now. I'm worried that she is one of those players I just always think is scummy.

[snip]

Townreads: Dolorous, MoI, shadow
null leaning scum: Tierce
Scumreads: Jal, Feysal

I'll have more later but this is a good starting point for a game this big.

Was just planning on just reading this thread before bed, but this needs a response.

he jumps into a discussion he has little context about

Why is this bad? I was just trying to figure out what was

currently

going on by asking questions and such. Of course I'm going to have little context about it, I'm pretty sure I started posting before I had done much (if any) reading on the game.

then proceeds to state reads on a very minimal percentage of the playerlist not mentioning or commenting on a lot of the bigger things going on.

It's nice to know that you expected me to have reads on every player in a 28 player, 35 page game after skimming the thread for a little less than an hour.

I'll have more later but this is a good starting point for a game this big.

I like what you're doing here Reg. You went and placed high expectations on me. (Must have reads on everyone and know the context of the game,) and of course being that I had just replaced in there's no chance I would meet either of those so you get an easy way to call me scum. I'm sure their is a name for this logicall fallacy you are promoting but I can't think of it now.

In saying I had two few reads you conveniently missed the part where I said I would be giving more later. In fact I'm find adding Regfan to my scumlist. His attack on me is very terrible and quite frankly a bit opportunistic.

Holy overreaction batman.

DCLXVI deserves to die. He hasn't been very active elsewhere either, true, but he HAS been online and posting elsewhere while sitting on the most useless vote possible at this stage. The least he could do was pick a townread and sheep it onto usefulness, which he did SIX DAYS AGO and never changed when Dolorous Edd's vote on Jal is long gone. (Also, lol at the "omg I'm voting people it's not my fault they got caught before I got here look at me being defensive over votes I should be overjoyed about but oh wait why do I have such strong scumreads when I just claimed to be tired and sheeping?") Three days of absence from the thread and less than three days to deadline. GET MOVING OR YOU DIE. I don't even give half a damn if you shoot

me

, at this stage I'd suicide onto you myself and I'm the one who didn't take an action N1 when I was a suicide vig on Glork's Haiku Mafia. I want to see blood here.

DCLXVI's meta claim is bullshit. Honestly, if I see a scum game of his in the near future where he opts to take the 'scum meta' catch-up post instead of what he is apparently aware is his 'typical town' catch-up style, there will be Issues with trust tells. If you're aware you do it, there's no freaking way you won't apply known town meta to scum games when possible (barring occasional subversions for certain situations). So yeah, I am most definitely not buying that. The Regfan bit sounds contrived, too.

And he's still a good Choose pick since he claimed VT. Threats to shoot Regfan or whoever else won't be the thing to move me.

I do admit I like the thinking behind this, though:

I'm not saying who I'm going to vig. Simply because I want to leave the possibility of myself and scum targeting the same player in case I shoot a townie.

DCLXVI's meta claim is bullshit. Honestly, if I see a scum game of his in the near future where he opts to take the 'scum meta' catch-up post instead of what he is apparently aware is his 'typical town' catch-up style, there will be Issues with trust tells. If you're aware you do it, there's no freaking way you won't apply known town meta to scum games when possible (barring occasional subversions for certain situations). So yeah, I am most definitely not buying that. The Regfan bit sounds contrived, too.

I'm not the one who brought meta up in the first place. regfan did.

Regfan specifically asked me about replacement meta. I hadn't said anything (or thought anything for that matter) about my replacing style.So nope, I wasn't using any type of trust tell.

Tierce

Tyene Sand

: I think she has some sort of vendetta against me, which initially made me suspect her and I had her as null-scum at the start, but after thinking about it I think scumtierce would act more rationally and she is playing very similarly to otherworld mafia where she was town.

Null-Town

Go take your inane theories elsewhere.

[Tyene Sand]

Why do you think Lyanna was killed?

She was obvtown. There may be other things, but I haven't looked at her vote patterns recently. The Benmage kill bugs me a lot more and I want to see which one fits each team better.


And with that quick D1 review, I'm glad Thor wasn't lynched yesterday and I won't be voting him today. This post was super townie and I had forgotten about it:

Just a few things at the top of my head while I have some time:

- I'm going to believe Snow's claim. I've noticed there hasn't really been a lot of opposition to Snow's wagon, at least not

strong

opposition. Even if this game is multiball and Snow would have few teammates, I at least would except a decent counter-wagon or argument at the very least. Instead, Snow's wagon seems to have grown as a counter-wagon of its own. I don't think Snow's mason buddy should claim, at least not now. No point right now, unless the other is being ran up.

- I'm a bit skeptical of the "support" I got when a few votes got on me. Maybe it's because in many games I've had scum buddy up to me in many games and throw a town read at me (maybe it's because I'm one of those ones who'll defend a town read to hell and back) but it seemed odd, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of those individuals is scum.

- I need to re-read the last 9 pages more in-depth before I put a vote back down.

Benmage: When did Jal Shinori and Kortul's become the 3 people to vote between?

[Tyene Sand]

Hold on a moment. Am I hallucinating or was "Specific Neighbouriser not there when Feysal was lynched? The impression I had was that he was only lynched as "Informed Traitor", and this neighborizer thing was confusing me until I went back and looked at the flip. Did I just not look at it right the first time?

Elsewhere, Brienne of Tarth looked for Catelyn Stark. Alas, she could not be found. (This will either make sense...or won't)

?

Excuse me, I need to go weave flowers into my tinfoil hat.

[Tyene Sand]

Can't hurt.

@mods: Was "Specific Neighbouriser" always part of Feysal's role flip, or did you forget and it was added to the post a posteriori?

[Tyene Sand]

Bear with me a bit, my internet connection is so lame I have to do this by small parts so it will not time out when trying to post:

Spoiler: D1 votecounts, part 1

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Timeater,

Benmage

, Zdenek
AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (4) -

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand,

Staeg

, Minimum

Not Voting (20):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

DCLXVI

, Magua,

Shadow1psc

, Regfan,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, BBmolla,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

StefanB

Choose

Lyanna Stark

(1) - Tyene Sand

MagnaofIllusion

(2) - Minimum,

greenknight

Benmage

(1) -

Benmage

Not Choosing (24):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

DCLXVI

, Magua,

Shadow1psc

, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

StefanB

MagnaofIllusion

(4) - Timeater,

Benmage

, Zdenek,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (6) -

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand,

Staeg

, Minimum, Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

SnowStorm

(1) -

Plessiezarus

Minimum (3) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua

Not Voting (13):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Regfan,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox, Pandora, BBmolla,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

StefanB

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Benmage

(1) -

Benmage

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(4) - Tyene Sand,

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Not Choosing (16):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma,

DCLXVI

, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Plessiezarus

, Pandora, Timeater,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

StefanB

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (7) -

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand,

Staeg

, Minimum, Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(1) -

Plessiezarus

Minimum (3) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua
kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(1) - Zdenek

Dolorous Edd

(1) Pandora

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Not Voting (9):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori, Regfan,

bvoigt

, BBmolla, Thor665,

StefanB

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Benmage

(1) -

Benmage

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(4) - Tyene Sand,

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (1) - Pandora
Timeater (1) - Timeater

Not Choosing (14):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

StefanB

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (4) -

Dolorous Edd

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Minimum
Minimum (3) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua
kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek,

Staeg

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (8):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, BBmolla, Thor665,

StefanB

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Benmage

(1) -

Benmage

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Tyene Sand

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - Pandora, Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Not Choosing (12):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

StefanB

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (4) -

Dolorous Edd

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Minimum

Minimum (4) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek,

Staeg

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (7):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, BBmolla, Thor665,

StefanB

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Benmage

(1) -

Benmage

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Tyene Sand,

StefanB

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - Pandora, Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (4) -

Dolorous Edd

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (5) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (6):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, BBmolla, Thor665

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Benmage

(1) -

Benmage

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Tyene Sand,

StefanB

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - Pandora, Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (4) -

Dolorous Edd

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(4) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum, BBmolla

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, Thor665

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, Tyene Sand,

StefanB

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - Pandora, Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(1) -

Benmage

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (3) - Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum, BBmolla,

Dolorous Edd

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, Thor665

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, Tyene Sand,

StefanB

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - Pandora, Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(1) -

Benmage

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (3) - Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum, BBmolla,

Dolorous Edd

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, Thor665

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

StefanB

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (3) - Pandora, Regfan, Tyene Sand
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(1) -

Benmage

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (4) - Plums Yo Mamma,

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(4) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum, BBmolla

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

bvoigt

, Thor665

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(3) - Minimum,

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Plums Yo Mamma

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

StefanB

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

kortul (1) - AurorusVox
Minimum (3) - Pandora, Regfan, Tyene Sand
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(1) -

Benmage

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (3) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (7) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

, BBmolla

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

, Thor665, Plums Yo Mamma

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Magua

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

StefanB

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Pandora, Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Not Choosing (11):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665, AurorusVox

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (1) -

greenknight

Timeater (3) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

SnowStorm

(2) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan

Minimum (7) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

, BBmolla

kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum

Feysal

(2) - Timeater, Pandora

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

, Plums Yo Mamma

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

greenknight

,

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

StefanB

, BBmolla

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Pandora, Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665, AurorusVox

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (2) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (2) - Pandora, BBmolla
Pandora (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

, Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

StefanB

, BBmolla, Pandora

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (2) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek,

Staeg

, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (2) - Pandora, BBmolla
Pandora (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

, Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

StefanB

, Pandora

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Shadow1psc

(1) - BBmolla

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (2) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (3) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

Pandora (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

, Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(3) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, Pandora

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Shadow1psc

(2) - BBmolla,

StefanB

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (2) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(3) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, Pandora

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Shadow1psc

(2) - BBmolla,

StefanB

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (2) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

Choose

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(3) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, Pandora

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) -

Benmage

, Minimum

Shadow1psc

(2) - BBmolla,

StefanB

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (2) -

Feysal

,

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(3) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

Choose

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(2) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(3) -

Benmage

, Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(3) - BBmolla,

StefanB

,

MagnaofIllusion

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

[Tyene Sand]

Spoiler: D1 votecounts, part 2

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) -

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(4) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(2) - Zdenek, Minimum

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665
Tyene Sand (1) AurorusVox
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

Choose

Tyene Sand (2) -

Feysal

, AurorusVox

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Shinori

Feysal

(2) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand, Plums Yo Mamma

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(3) -

Benmage

, Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(3) - BBmolla,

StefanB

,

MagnaofIllusion

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Thor665,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) -

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(5) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
BBmolla (1) - Shinori
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Shadow1psc

(1) - AurorusVox

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

greenknight

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(3) - Magua, Shinori, Thor665

Feysal

(3) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan, Tyene Sand
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) - Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(6) - BBmolla,

StefanB

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Benmage

, AurorusVox

Not Choosing (8):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

,

greenknight

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) -

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(5) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665

Minimum (7) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

,

greenknight

Benmage

(1) -

SnowStorm

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Shadow1psc

(1) - AurorusVox

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (1) - Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) - Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(6) - BBmolla,

StefanB

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Benmage

, AurorusVox

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (8):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Shinori

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) -

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(5) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665

Minimum (7) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

,

greenknight

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

Shadow1psc

(1) - AurorusVox

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul, Shinori,

SnowStorm

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (1) - Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) - Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(6) - BBmolla,

StefanB

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Benmage

, AurorusVox

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (8):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

, Shinori

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) -

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(5) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665

Minimum (8) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

StefanB

,

Benmage

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (6) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, AurorusVox

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

SnowStorm

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori
Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (1) - Regfan
Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) - Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(6) - BBmolla,

StefanB

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Benmage

, AurorusVox

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (7):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) -

DCLXVI

SnowStorm

(5) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665

Minimum (7) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (6) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, AurorusVox

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

SnowStorm

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(2) - Minimum, Pandora

Shadow1psc

(4) - BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, AurorusVox
AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (8):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, kortul,

DCLXVI

, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) - DCXLVI

SnowStorm

(5) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665

Minimum (6) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Saporerint

(3) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (5) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

, AurorusVox

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(1) - Pandora

Shadow1psc

(4) - BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, AurorusVox,

Lyanna Stark

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

greenknight

(2) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum

Not Choosing (7):

4nxi3ty, kortul, DCXLVI, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) - DCXLVI

SnowStorm

(6) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori

Minimum (5) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

greenknight

Saporerint

(4) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (4) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

DCLXVI

(1) - Pandora

Shadow1psc

(4) - BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, AurorusVox,

Lyanna Stark

greenknight

(3) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (7):

4nxi3ty, kortul, DCXLVI, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Timeater (1) - DCXLVI

SnowStorm

(7) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

Minimum (4) -

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

greenknight

Saporerint

(4) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (3) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Thor665 (2) -

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(5) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(4) - BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, AurorusVox,

Lyanna Stark

greenknight

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

Not Choosing (6):

4nxi3ty, kortul, DCXLVI, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

MagnaofIllusion

(2) -

Shadow1psc

,

Dolorous Edd

SnowStorm

(7) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

Minimum (4) -

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

,

greenknight

Saporerint

(4) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (3) - Pandora, BBmolla,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Thor665 (2) -

SnowStorm

,

DCLXVI

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(6) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(4) - BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

4nxi3ty (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Choosing (4):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

Dolorous Edd

SnowStorm

(9) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Pandora, BBmolla

Minimum (3) -

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(2) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Thor665 (2) -

SnowStorm

,

DCLXVI

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(6) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(4) - BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

4nxi3ty (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Choosing (4):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

SnowStorm

(9) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Pandora, BBmolla

Minimum (3) -

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(2) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Thor665 (2) -

SnowStorm

,

DCLXVI

4nxi3ty (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(7) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(3) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (4):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

SnowStorm

(9) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Pandora, BBmolla

Minimum (3) -

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(2) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Thor665 (2) -

SnowStorm

,

DCLXVI

4nxi3ty (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(7) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(3) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (4):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

SnowStorm

(10) -

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Pandora, BBmolla, kortul

Minimum (3) -

Saporerint

, Magua,

Lyanna Stark

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

StefanB

bvoigt

(2) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

Thor665 (2) -

SnowStorm

,

DCLXVI

4nxi3ty (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (2):

4nxi3ty,

Benmage

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(7) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (2) - Regfan,

StefanB

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(3) -

MagnaofIllusion

,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (4):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Benmage

SnowStorm

(5) - Regfan,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

Minimum (2) -

Saporerint

, Magua

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(7) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

, Tyene Sand, Pandora

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, BBmolla, kortul,

Plessiezarus

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(8) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (3) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

MagnaofIllusion

, 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (3):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

SnowStorm

(4) - Regfan,

Feysal

, Thor665, Shinori
Minimum (2) -

Saporerint

, Magua

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, BBmolla, kortul,

Plessiezarus

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(8) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (3):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

SnowStorm

(3) - Regfan,

Feysal

, Shinori
Minimum (2) -

Saporerint

, Magua

Saporerint

(5) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(7) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

Thor665 (2) -

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, BBmolla, kortul,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(8) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (3):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

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SnowStorm

(3) - Regfan,

Feysal

, Shinori
Minimum (2) -

Saporerint

, Magua

Saporerint

(6) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Benmage

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(8) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (2) - Timeater,

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (3):

kortul, Zdenek,

SnowStorm

SnowStorm

(1) -

Feysal

Minimum (2) -

Saporerint

, Magua

Saporerint

(7) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Benmage

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

StefanB

(1) - Regfan

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665

Choose

Tyene Sand (1) -

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(7) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty, kortul

greenknight

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

kortul (3) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

Not Choosing (2):

Zdenek,

SnowStorm

Minimum (2) -

Saporerint

, Magua

Saporerint

(8) - Zdenek, Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Regfan

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Benmage

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua, Thor665

Feysal

(7) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

Magua (1) -

Shadow1psc

Minimum (4) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(2) - 4nxi3ty, kortul

greenknight

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

Plessiezarus

kortul (3) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

Not Choosing (3):

Zdenek,

SnowStorm

,

Feysal

Minimum (1) -

Saporerint

Saporerint

(8) - Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Regfan, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(1) -

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt

(9) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek,

StefanB

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

greenknight

(1) -

Benmage

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty, kortul,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Feysal

(9) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

, Magua, Pandora

Minimum (3) - Regfan,

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(7) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, kortul, Zdenek,

MagnaofIllusion

kortul (4) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Shadow1psc

Not Choosing (2):

SnowStorm

,

Feysal

Minimum (1) -

Saporerint

Saporerint

(8) - Minimum,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Regfan, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(2) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

bvoigt

(10) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek,

StefanB

, kortul

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (4):

4nxi3ty,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Feysal

(10) -

Saporerint

,

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

, Magua, Pandora,

SnowStorm

Minimum (2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(9) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, kortul, Zdenek,

MagnaofIllusion

, Regfan,

Feysal

kortul (4) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Shadow1psc

Not Choosing (0):

No One

Saporerint

(6) -

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(3) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

, kortul

bvoigt

(9) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek,

StefanB

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

DCLXVI

(2) - Regfan, Minimum

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Feysal

(9) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

, Magua, Pandora,

SnowStorm

Minimum (2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(9) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, kortul, Zdenek,

MagnaofIllusion

, Regfan,

Feysal

kortul (4) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Shadow1psc

Not Choosing (1):

Saporerint

Saporerint

(6) -

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(3) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

, kortul

bvoigt

(9) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek,

StefanB

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

DCLXVI

(2) - Regfan, Minimum

Not Voting (5):

4nxi3ty,

Plessiezarus

, Thor665,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Feysal

(9) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua, Pandora,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

Minimum (2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

greenknight

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma, Minimum,

Plessiezarus

, kortul, Zdenek,

MagnaofIllusion

, Regfan,

Feysal

kortul (4) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Choosing (1):

Saporerint

Saporerint

(6) -

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(5) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

, kortul, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

bvoigt

(9) - Plums Yo Mamma,

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek,

StefanB

,

Plessiezarus

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

DCLXVI

(1) - Regfan

StefanB

(1) -

Saporerint

Not Voting (3):

4nxi3ty, Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Feysal

(9) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua, Pandora,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

Minimum (2) -

StefanB

,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(2) - 4nxi3ty, kortul

greenknight

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, Zdenek,

MagnaofIllusion

, Regfan,

Feysal

kortul (4) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(3) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Minimum

StefanB

(1) -

Saporerint

Not Choosing (0):

No one

Saporerint

(6) -

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater
Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc

(8) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

, kortul, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma

bvoigt

(8) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Tyene Sand, Pandora,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek,

StefanB

,

Plessiezarus

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

StefanB

(1) - Regfan

Not Voting (2):

Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Dolorous Edd

(1) - Thor665

Feysal

(9) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

SnowStorm

,

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

Minimum (2) -

StefanB

, 4nxi3ty
Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(2) - Zdenek,

MagnaofIllusion

kortul (4) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Staeg

,

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(9) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Minimum, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma

Not Choosing (0):

No one

Saporerint

(5) - AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(13) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

, kortul, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

bvoigt

, Tyene Sand,

StefanB

bvoigt

(5) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

Thor665 (1) -

DCLXVI

StefanB

(1) - Regfan

Not Voting (2):

Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Feysal

(8) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

SnowStorm

,

Saporerint

Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek
kortul (3) - AurorusVox, BBmolla,

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(12) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Minimum, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

StefanB

Not Choosing (1):

Thor665

Saporerint

(5) - AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(13) -

Lyanna Stark

,

Benmage

, kortul, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

,

Saporerint

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

bvoigt

, Tyene Sand,

StefanB

bvoigt

(5) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

StefanB

(1) - Regfan
Regfan (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (2):

Thor665,

Feysal

Choose

Feysal

(8) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek
kortul (2) - BBmolla,

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(14) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Minimum, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

StefanB

,

SnowStorm

, BBmolla

Not Choosing (1):

Thor665

Saporerint

(5) - AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(8) -

Benmage

, kortul,

Saporerint

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

bvoigt

,

StefanB

bvoigt

(7) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

StefanB

(1) - Regfan
Regfan (1) -

DCLXVI

Not Voting (5):

Thor665,

Feysal

, Minimum, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Choose

Feysal

(8) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek
kortul (1) -

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(12) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

StefanB

,

SnowStorm

Not Choosing (3):

Thor665, Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(5) - AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(5) - kortul, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

,

bvoigt

,

StefanB

bvoigt

(8) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

StefanB

(3) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

Regfan (1) -

DCLXVI

Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (4):

Thor665,

Feysal

, Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

Choose

Feysal

(8) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek
kortul (1) -

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(12) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

StefanB

,

SnowStorm

Not Choosing (3):

Thor665, Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(5) - AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(2) - 4nxi3ty,

bvoigt

bvoigt

(9) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

StefanB

(5) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul
Regfan (1) -

DCLXVI

Plums Yo Mamma (2)

Benmage

,

StefanB

Not Voting (3):

Thor665,

Feysal

, Minimum

Choose

Feysal

(8) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek
kortul (1) -

Shadow1psc

DCLXVI

(12) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

StefanB

,

SnowStorm

Not Choosing (3):

Thor665, Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(5) - AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Shinori, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(2) - 4nxi3ty,

bvoigt

bvoigt

(9) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

StefanB

(5) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul
Regfan (1) -

DCLXVI

Plums Yo Mamma (2)

Benmage

,

StefanB

Not Voting (3):

Thor665,

Feysal

, Minimum

Choose

Feysal

(9) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox, Thor665
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek

DCLXVI

(13) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

StefanB

,

SnowStorm

,

Shadow1psc

Not Choosing (2):

Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(3) -

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(2) - 4nxi3ty,

bvoigt

bvoigt

(10) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

, Shinori

StefanB

(7) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

Plums Yo Mamma (2)

Benmage

,

StefanB

Not Voting (3):

Thor665,

Feysal

, Minimum

Choose

Feysal

(9) -

bvoigt

,

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox, Thor665
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek

DCLXVI

(12) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

SnowStorm

,

Shadow1psc

kortul (1)

StefanB

Not Choosing (2):

Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(3) -

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

Shadow1psc

(1) - 4nxi3ty

bvoigt

(11) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

, Shinori,

Feysal

StefanB

(8) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

Plums Yo Mamma (2)

Benmage

,

StefanB

Not Voting (2):

Thor665, Minimum

Choose

Feysal

(8) -

greenknight

, Shinori,

DCLXVI

,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox, Thor665
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek

DCLXVI

(13) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

SnowStorm

,

Shadow1psc

,

bvoigt

kortul (1)

StefanB

Not Choosing (2):

Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(3) -

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Magua

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

bvoigt

(12) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, Shinori,

Feysal

,

StefanB

, AurorusVox

StefanB

(10) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, AurorusVox,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

,

Staeg

, 4nxi3ty
Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (2):

Thor665, Minimum

Choose

Feysal

(7) -

greenknight

, Shinori,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox, Thor665
Minimum (2) - 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek

DCLXVI

(14) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

SnowStorm

,

Shadow1psc

,

bvoigt

,

DCLXVI

kortul (1)

StefanB

Not Choosing (2):

Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(4) -

Shadow1psc

, BBmolla, Magua,

StefanB

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

bvoigt

(10) -

greenknight

,

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek,

Plessiezarus

,Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, Shinori,

Feysal

, AurorusVox

StefanB

(10) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

,

Staeg

, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (2):

Thor665, Minimum

Choose

Feysal

(7) -

greenknight

, Shinori,

Benmage

, Magua,

Saporerint

, AurorusVox, Thor665
Minimum (1) - 4nxi3ty
Timeater (1) - Timeater

greenknight

(1) - Zdenek

DCLXVI

(15-CHOSEN) - Tyene Sand,

Plessiezarus

, Regfan, Pandora,

Feysal

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul, Plums Yo Mamma,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

,

SnowStorm

,

Shadow1psc

,

bvoigt

,

DCLXVI

,

MagnaofIllusion

kortul (1)

StefanB

Not Choosing (2):

Minimum, BBmolla

Saporerint

(3) - BBmolla, Magua,

StefanB

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

bvoigt

(7) -

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, Shinori,

Feysal

StefanB

(13) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

,

Staeg

, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

, AurorusVox,

Shadow1psc

,

greenknight

Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (3):

Thor665, Minimum,

Plessiezarus

Saporerint

(3) - BBmolla, Magua,

StefanB

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

bvoigt

(8) -

SnowStorm

, Pandora, Zdenek, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, Shinori,

Feysal

,

Shadow1psc

StefanB

(10) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

, kortul,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

,

Staeg

, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

,

greenknight

Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (5):

Thor665, Minimum,

Plessiezarus

,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox

Saporerint

(2) - Magua,

StefanB

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

bvoigt

(8) -

SnowStorm

, Zdenek, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, Shinori,

Feysal

,

Shadow1psc

, Minimum

StefanB

(14) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

, kortul,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

,

Staeg

, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

,

greenknight

, BBmolla, Pandora, Thor665,

Lyanna Stark

Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (2):

Plessiezarus

, AurorusVox

Saporerint

(2) - Magua,

StefanB

Feysal

(1) - Timeater

bvoigt

(8) -

SnowStorm

, Zdenek, Plums Yo Mamma,

Dolorous Edd

, Shinori,

Feysal

,

Shadow1psc

, Minimum

StefanB

(15-LYNCH) - Regfan, Tyene Sand,

Saporerint

, kortul,

DCLXVI

,

bvoigt

,

Staeg

, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

,

greenknight

, BBmolla, Pandora, Thor665,

Lyanna Stark

,

Plessiezarus

Plums Yo Mamma (1)

Benmage

Not Voting (1):

AurorusVox

[Tyene Sand]

Spoiler: D2 votecounts

bvoigt

(4) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

Not Voting (20):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

, AurorusVox,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

bvoigt

(6) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori

Not Voting (18):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

bvoigt

(7) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul

Not Voting (17):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

bvoigt

(7) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul

Not Voting (17):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

bvoigt

(7) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul

Not Voting (17):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

bvoigt

(7) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul

Not Voting (17):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

bvoigt

(9) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, Pandora, BBmolla

Saporerint

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (14):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Timeater, Thor665

Day 2, Votecount 6

bvoigt

(10) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, Pandora, BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

Saporerint

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (13):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Timeater, Thor665

bvoigt

(10) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, Pandora, BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

Saporerint

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (13):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Timeater, Thor665

bvoigt

(10) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, Pandora, BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

Saporerint

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (13):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Timeater, Thor665

bvoigt

(11) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, Pandora, BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma

Saporerint

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (12):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Timeater, Thor665

bvoigt

(10) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma

Saporerint

(1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (13):

Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Timeater, Thor665, Pandora

bvoigt

(13-LYNCH) -

Dolorous Edd

,

Staeg

,

Benmage

,

Shadow1psc

AurorusVox, Shinori, kortul, BBmolla,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Timeater, Tyene Sand, Minimum

Not Voting (11):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

bvoigt

,

Plessiezarus

,

Feysal

,

Saporerint

, Thor665, Pandora

Regfan (3) - Minimum, Timeater,

Lyanna Stark

Minimum (2) - AurorusVox,

Feysal

Dolorous Edd

(2) - Magua,

Plessiezarus

Shadow1psc

(1) -

Shadow1psc

Tyene Sand (1) - Pandora
Pandora (1) - Regfan

Plessiezarus

(2) - Thor665,

Staeg

Saporerint

(1) - BBmolla

Shinori (7) -

Saporerint

, kortul, 4nxi3ty, Plums Yo Mamma,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Zdenek
kortul (1) -

Benmage

Lyanna Stark

(1) - Shinori

Not Jailing (1) -

bvoigt

Spoiler: D3 votecounts

Staeg

(2) - Pandora, Minimum

Not Voting (19):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(1) :

Dolorous Edd

Not hurting (19)

: Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Staeg

(3) - Pandora, Minimum, Regfan

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater

Not Voting (17):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Thor665

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(1) :

Dolorous Edd

Not hurting (19)

: Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Staeg

(2) - Pandora, Minimum

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater

Not Voting (18):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Dolorous Edd

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Thor665, Regfan

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(1) :

Dolorous Edd

Not hurting (19)

: Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(2) :

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

Not hurting (18)

: Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Staeg

(3) - Pandora, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater

Not Voting (17):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion

, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Thor665, Regfan

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(2) :

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

Not hurting (18)

: Minimum,

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(4) :

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

, kortul, Minimum

Not hurting (16)

:

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Staeg

(4) - Pandora, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

, Magua

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (15):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora,

Saporerint

, BBmolla, Thor665, Regfan

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(6) :

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

, kortul, Minimum, Magua, Regfan

Not hurting (14)

:

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(10) :

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

, kortul, Minimum, Magua, Regfan, Pandora, BBmolla,

Lyanna Stark

, Plums Yo Mamma

Not hurting (10)

: 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, Shinori, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Timeater, Thor665

Trial by Combat

Dolorous Edd

(1) :

Saporerint

Saporerint

(11) :

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

, kortul, Minimum, Magua, Regfan, Pandora, BBmolla,

Lyanna Stark

, Plums Yo Mamma,

Benmage

Not hurting (9)

: 4nxi3ty,

Staeg

, Tyene Sand, Shinori, Zdenek, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Timeater, Thor665

Staeg

(4) - Pandora, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

, Magua

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (13):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, BBmolla, Thor665, Regfan

Staeg

(5) - Pandora, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

, Magua, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (12):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, BBmolla, Regfan, Zdenek

Staeg

(5) - Pandora, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

, Magua, Thor665

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) - Zdenek

Not Voting (11):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, BBmolla, Regfan

Staeg

(7) - Pandora, Minimum,

Dolorous Edd

, Magua, Thor665, 4nxi3ty, AurorusVox

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) - Zdenek

Not Voting (9):

Lyanna Stark

, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori,

Benmage

,

Feysal

, Pandora, BBmolla, Regfan

Staeg

(7) - Pandora, Minimum, Magua, Thor665, 4nxi3ty, AurorusVox, Shinori

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Minimum (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

Tyene Sand (1) - Zdenek

Not Voting (9):

Staeg

,

Lyanna Stark

, Tyene Sand, kortul,

Dolorous Edd

,

Benmage

,

Feysal

, BBmolla, Regfan

Godhand Count

Plums Yo Mamma (12):

Benmage

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Staeg

,

Dolorous Edd

, Magua, kortul, BBmolla, Shinori,

Lyanna Stark

, Plums Yo Mamma, Tyene Sand, AurorusVox

Not Godhanding (8):

Minimum, 4nxi3ty, Regfan, Zdenek,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, Thor665

Staeg

(11-LYNCH) - Pandora, Minimum, Magua, Thor665, 4nxi3ty, AurorusVox, Shinori,

Benmage

,

Dolorous Edd

,

MagnaofIllusion

, Zdenek

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - Timeater
kortul (1) - Plums Yo Mamma

Not Voting (7):

Staeg

,

Lyanna Stark

, Tyene Sand, kortul,

Feysal

, BBmolla, Regfan

~ Fixed

[Tyene Sand]

Eeek.

@mods, fix pls? The second to last VC is not the End of Day VC, the Godhand Count in that one needs a closing area tag, and the VC #10 should be named End of Day Votecount.

Spoiler: D4 votecounts

4nxi3ty (1) - Minimum

Not Voting (16):

Lyanna Stark

, 4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

4nxi3ty (1) - Minimum

Benmage

(1)

Lyanna Stark

Not Voting (15):

4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, BBmolla, Thor665

4nxi3ty (1) - Minimum

Benmage

(1)

Lyanna Stark

Thor665 (1) - BBmolla

Not Voting (14):

4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Magua, Regfan, Zdenek,

Benmage

, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Timeater, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan

Benmage

(1)

Lyanna Stark

Thor665 (1) - BBmolla
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (1) - Magua
Magua (1) - Timeater

Not Voting (10):

4nxi3ty, Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, Plums Yo Mamma, Zdenek, AurorusVox,

Feysal

, Pandora, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan

Benmage

(1)

Lyanna Stark

Thor665 (2) - BBmolla, 4nxi3ty

BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (2) - Magua,

Feysal

Magua (1) - Timeater
Minimum (1) - Zdenek

Feysal

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma

Not Voting (6):

Tyene Sand, kortul, Shinori, AurorusVox, Pandora, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan
Thor665 (2) - BBmolla, 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (3) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Shinori (2) - Pandora, Zdenek

Not Voting (5):

Tyene Sand, Shinori, AurorusVox, Thor665,

Lyanna Stark

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan
Thor665 (2) - BBmolla, 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul,

Lyanna Stark

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Shinori (1) - Pandora
AurorusVox (1) - Zdenek
kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Not Voting (3):

Tyene Sand, Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan
Thor665 (2) - BBmolla, 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul,

Lyanna Stark

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Shinori (1) - Pandora
AurorusVox (1) - Zdenek
kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Not Voting (3):

Tyene Sand, Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan
Thor665 (2) - BBmolla, 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul,

Lyanna Stark

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(1) - Plums Yo Mamma
Shinori (1) - Pandora
AurorusVox (2) - Zdenek, Tyene Sand
kortul (1) - AurorusVox

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan
Thor665 (1) - 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (5) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(3) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora
AurorusVox (2) - Zdenek, Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (2) - Minimum, Regfan
Thor665 (1) - 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (5) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(3) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora
AurorusVox (2) - Zdenek, Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan
Thor665 (1) - 4nxi3ty
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (5) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox

Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(4) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek
AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand
Thor665 (1) - Minimum

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan
Thor665 (2) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, AurorusVox
Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek,

Lyanna Stark

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan
Thor665 (2) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (3) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul
Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan
Thor665 (2) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum
BBmolla (1) -

Benmage

Timeater (3) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul
Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Thor665

Thor665 (2) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum
Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan
Magua (1) - Timeater

Feysal

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek,

Lyanna Stark

, AurorusVox,

Benmage

, Thor665

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (1):

Shinori

Thor665 (2) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum
Timeater (5) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan,

Lyanna Stark

Feysal

(7) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek, AurorusVox,

Benmage

, Thor665

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Timeater

Thor665 (3) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek

Timeater (5) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan,

Lyanna Stark

Feysal

(5) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, AurorusVox,

Benmage

AurorusVox (1) - Tyene Sand
Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Timeater

Thor665 (5) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan

Feysal

(4) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora,

Benmage

Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Lyanna Stark

(2) - Timeater, AurorusVox

Not Voting (1):

Shinori

Thor665 (5) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater

Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Not Voting (1):

Shinori

Thor665 (5) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater

Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Not Voting (1):

Shinori

Thor665 (5) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater

Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Not Voting (1):

Shinori

Thor665 (5) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (4) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul, Regfan

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater

Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Not Voting (1):

Shinori
Prodding Plums Yo Mamma

Thor665 (5) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek, Tyene Sand,

Lyanna Stark

Timeater (3) - Magua,

Feysal

, kortul

Feysal

(6) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater

Zdenek (1) - Thor665
4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan

Not Voting (1):

Shinori

Thor665 (3) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Tyene Sand
Timeater (2) -

Feysal

, kortul

Feysal

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater, Zdenek, BBmolla, Magua

Zdenek (1) - Thor665
4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan

Not Voting (2):

Shinori,

Lyanna Stark

Thor665 (3) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Tyene Sand
Timeater (1) -

Feysal

Feysal

(8) - Plums Yo Mamma, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater, Zdenek, BBmolla, Magua

Zdenek (1) - Thor665
4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan

Not Voting (3):

Shinori,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul

Thor665 (3) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Tyene Sand
Timeater (1) -

Feysal

Feysal

(9-LYNCH) - Plums Yo Mamma, Pandora,

Benmage

, AurorusVox, Timeater, Zdenek, BBmolla, Magua, kortul

Zdenek (1) - Thor665
4nxi3ty (1) - Regfan

Not Voting (3):

Shinori,

Lyanna Stark

, kortul

[Tyene Sand]

Now you're being mean.

VOTE: BBmolla

[Tyene Sand]

Regfan--you're probably right. I didn't really think it over much, as I intend to go over the votecounts and the rest of the game throughout the weekend. That was a cursory look at the VCs, and by then I was incredibly frustrated with my connection repeatedly timing out when I tried to post so many tags.

AV, you haven't read the game, have you? Because I am

blatantly

not part of either scumteam. My interactions with DCLXVI and Feysal show very well that I am not connected to either of them, and my interactions with bvoigt and Saporerint do exactly the same for the Aegon team. So stop being an idiot and actually read the game, as all you've apparently done so far is sheep without looking stuff up for yourself.

UNVOTE: BBmolla

You shouldn't be voting Thor, BB/Minimum/PlumNacho. Go reread Jal on D1, look at his reaction to people defending him. That is town paranoia; the scum reaction would be relief that someone is defending him even if they aren't part of his team.

[Tyene Sand]

Wish I could. If I had a good vote I'd be voting them, I've been without scumreads for a while now.

Zdenek - I think it was Minimum who described the difference in Zdenek's performance between this game and his scum ones. Yes, it's notable. He has absolutely batshit theories, but I've been in his place, namely in Weather Mafia II.

AurorusVox - You're still the one person I would probably default-vote to.

Minimum - I can't read CES worth a dime. I've been ignoring this slot for far too long and I want to check their interactions with known scum.

BBmolla - Probably cleared via role.

Plums Yo Mamma - They are going to flip alignment Today.

Magua - Another one I haven't really read yet. This slot needs a lot more activity.

4nxi3ty -I had a townread on mockingjaye. 4nxi3ty, while we are at it, the thing is... I

did not

RP in either Abarat (where I was scum and didn't know the flavor) or in hiplop's Mini Normal. So my question is how do you gather that I enjoy making flavorful posts and that this is a townish/null-at-most trait from me?

kortul - Working pretty closely to his Doctor Who town meta, I need to check interactions.

Shinori - Probably cleared via role.

Regfan - Don't make me read Regfan. ._. It's the "playing with players I like" effect, I'm not cold enough to analyze him critically. It's one of the things I need to do, but so far he seems in the clear.

Feysal - lol. Hey Feysal, who are you a Neighborizer to, little Freak?

Pandora - I still very much like the towntell Regfan applied to them. Mind you, Regfan, now that Abarat is over; Quilford isn't exactly incapable as scum. But yes, he doesn't like playing as that alignment and the way they are interacting shows dynamic thought. At this stage, I need to see if they fit either scumteam, though.

Timeater - Yeah this ain't Stannis. He could be a regular Goon trying to get in a nightkill for his team via the Choose mechanic, but mind you, this is incredibly dangerous for an uninformed Aegon: because shooting someone may mean they hit one of their (unkn)own, if they really are divided.

Thor665 - Jal wasn't scum, Thor isn't scum.

[Tyene Sand]

So yes. Do you want to sheep me onto yourself? Because that's where I'm leaning right now. I need to reread the game but ffff this is annoying. The scumteams are being, well,

scum

.

Stark

Start cross-killing already, ye jerks.

[Tyene Sand]

4nxi3ty--Fair enough, I like your rationale. (Me being non-native and most of my vocabulary coming from sci-fi and fantasy books might help. >.>)

Actually this is rather lulzworthy. I think Feysal thought I

was

hunting for him, indeed:

I think our disagreements are settled now, and I ended up with a town feel from her responses to me.

Considering I'm good at spotting this kind of quirky speech when looking for it, yeah, if I were Stannis-with-the-ability-to-recruit, he would have been by my side now and I certainly wouldn't have waffled on that read so much, Zdenek. And this reminds me that I should go over the D1 posts and see if there is any spottable scum-talk/signalling that isn't him flailing at me.

There is one thing making me uncomfortable about Timeater, and I need to check DCLXVI's interaction with the slot. It is that Feysal's push was never dangerous enough, and so it can almost come as a contrived fake bus to clear one slot should the other flip. An alternative could be if Feysal knew Starbuck-Timeater is Stannis, he could be hoping for the faction to kill him to shut him up--and thus get a successful recruit.

I'm also left wondering about what Informed actually means in this game. Does that Varys flip mean that Saporerint knew about his whole scumteam, or does it mean he had information about a different role entirely? Same for Feysal, though in my experience I've seen Traitors who know at least one member of their faction (Katsuki knew Reck was scum in Tiger MetaTiger, for example). I guess we won't figure that completely out at this stage, but it would be ill-advised to assume they both had full information when it could just be about a player OR just a role, not even who holds it.

[Tyene Sand]

Are the hot desert winds frying your brains?

Shinori Followed someone last night. That someone has an Investigative ability.
4nxi3ty is claiming to have used an Investigative ability on Regfan last night; he is a JOAT with a Name/Flavor Cop ability that returned "Cersei Lannister" on Regfan.

His result matches Staeg's as much as possible:

[Minimum and Regfan]

are not Freys.

Wow, that was difficult.


I see no need for a full claim. These two players have been pretty townish. Can we move on?

[Tyene Sand]

Best working theory is that Feysal could Neighborize into the Stannis faction (role name: "Specific Neighbouriser to the Stannis Faction"), and that him being "Informed" was in relation to some person or persons he knew weren't Stannis.

This makes quite a lot of sense. As in, it wouldn't be his faction that would look for him with a night-kill, but he who could try and target Stannis-scum to neighborize them. (Did you have fun trying to neighborize me N1, Feysal dear?) It reverses the typical traitor role somewhat (as the 'typical' one may know one of his scumbuddies and has to wait for recruitment), does not need the scumteam to be informed that there is a traitor in the game, and actually fits more with the flavor of a

freak

defector. And this would make sense with how he apparently did not know, at least, DCLXVI (though we cannot discount that he knew at least one other buddy that was not DCLXVI).

In short: it would be an elegant way of handling this kind of role and, if it's true, props to Faraday and Nexus.


He claimed because people are dancing around Shinori and asking stuff. *shrug* Doesn't bother me.


And King's Landing is just so boring. Visit Dorne today, we have such lovely conspiracies! Maiming of young princesses is included in the B&B package.

[Tyene Sand]

Was aright about to come swinging down with a vote buuuut wrong role. That's decent, I guess.

"Other" action is probably something that doesn't fall under Investigative/Protective/Manipulative/Killing(/Support/Recruitment). The last two are dubious since not everyone marks Support (like Inventor) and Recruitment (Masonizers) roles as such. Could just be something random, or we have something like a potential Aegon traitor trying to figure Minimum out.


The game Feysal was referring to is Chrono Trigger Resurrection, kortul. He was a traitor, Faraday was part of an hydra with Regfan, CES was also playing and I replaced out during N1 due to getting too much setup info. All of us but Feysal were Town; I think that's everyone alive here who was in that game, but might be missing someone.

[Tyene Sand]

Regfan: While I understand your line of thought re: Pandora, look at this. It's pretty understandable that Quilford pretty much dropped from the hydra.

And it hit me last night that Regfan is all but conftown with that character name. Lots of relief here. I mean, I could see Cersei being damaging to the Lannister Alliance because lol Cersei, but it would still go heavily against flavor, especially when going through the previous games because Faraday et al have stuck quite thoroughly to the source material in terms of allegiances.

[Tyene Sand]

Support. But again, that's a rare label.

And I think I've seen Motivators give extra x-shots for following nights iirc, whoever it was that asked about it.

[Tyene Sand]

...Obviously that didn't belong here.

[Tyene Sand]

>.> I didn't pay much attention to the game after I replaced out and got the details wrong. Yes, he was a goon, there were two traitors. The rest of the facts are true. In short, I think he's screwing with us and I wouldn't put much stock in the words of confscum because we're not even certain he's interested in unearthing Aegon at this stage. Let troll scum troll at will.

[Tyene Sand]

Fine with massclaim. Would like Regfan to define the order (or at least the start of the popcorn chain, if we are doing it that way), since I trust his claim result to be a better town-sign than hoping and praying to the Seven that PlumNacho aren't deceiving us all and flip scum at the end of the day.

[Tyene Sand]

Also Pandora's claim totally fits with Faraday's hatred of watchers. Followers and Voyeurs are excellent alternatives to provide to your town players when the mod doesn't want that tracked-to-/watched-at-the-night-kill result.

[Tyene Sand]

@Pandora: You can catch fakeclaims. Hard to do after you've claimed, sure, but if someone claimed to target your roles with different actions from those you saw, you'd be on to them and be an awesome wagon-leading town furry critter. Shinori can do the same, if his targets claim roles that don't match with the type of the action(s) he sees.

The point is that these are not as earth-shattering for scum as having a Town watcher watch the obv night-kill target N1 and get the name of the killer. Or a tracker tracking someone to the night-kill. They are more subtle roles and get more powerful if not outed before all the important claims. But spilled milk. And you're still an adorable furry critter with a can of gasoline~



Also, at you lot, the name is Tyene, not Tyrene. It's bad enough when I get all the variants of 'Tierce' instead of the correct one, so please try and get this one right, it's just five letters. <3

[Tyene Sand]

@Scum: Start cross-killing please and thank you.

Someone

has to have better reads than me here and you can't all be incapable dolts who think obvtown people are the-other-scum. Do yourselves a favor and whittle down.

[Tyene Sand]

Thor: Heeeeelllloooo you're not the one that Zdenek is tunneling stop being a speshul snowflake and let others take the stage.

He has been calling me scum from the point he replaced in to an extent I vaguely considered the possibility of him being a lyncher. It's that strong a tunnel. He's town, though.

[Tyene Sand]

2+2

Where's this coming from?

[Tyene Sand]

Your head is far too much up your own etc. for you to actually read what is posted, I see.

Spoiler: Zdenek's ongoing quest to get me matched up with every scumteam that existed in this game and in every other game on site.

One thing that is pretty clear is that Tierce is scum:

- the "case" on Feysal at the start of the game.
There's this doozy,

I find it curious that you have null reads on three of the weakest players in the game.


How sad that this thread would ignore redFF's scumminess. Minimum is a bad lynch and, moreover, we wouldn't want to ruin CES's record of not getting lynched, now would we?

UNCHOOSE: Feysal
CHOOSE: Minimum

The two quotes above show why I'm wary of SnowStorm and really want this wagon to go through. He seems to be deliberately use my words for 'things one should qualify as town'.

This is a terrible stretch.

I believe that Tierce is distancing from Feysal she votes off and on him easily, but isn't pushing this idea at all near the deadline.

I agree with the Totally Anonymous Head of the furry critter re: Shinori and redFF. Town guns pointed this way please and thank you.

Contradiction Alert!!!

There is nothing wrong with stating who we'd like to be our nominal Jon Snow, but I disagree with attempts to direct actions on N1.

No one is doing that, thus my confusion as to why he's playing the pity card when no one is pushing him on policy (though yes, he deserves it).

I totally don't think that MoI was playing the pity card and this is just BS time wasting.

Yes, we want a nameclaim + the partner to vouch for him. Then we'll see about swinging this elsewhere.

Deathworthy.

Then when this is the vote count:

The History of the Rhoynish Wars is a book written by Beldecar. A copy can be found in the library of the Red Keep.[1]

Day 1, Votecount 41

Saporerint (6) - bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc, BBmolla, Shinori, Albert B. Rampage
Feysal (1) - Starbuck
Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (3) - Lyanna Stark, Benmage, kortul

bvoigt (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB

Jal (1) - DCLXVI
DCLXVI (2) - Regfan, Minimum

Not Voting (5):

Mockingjaye, Plessiezrus, Jal, Feysal, Saporerint

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 5th September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)
  
• Countdown to deadline
  : (expired on 2012-09-05 18:59:59)
  
• MJ may be V/la for a hurricane. Starbuck/Benmage/MOI are all V/la.

CHOOSE TO EXTERMINATE

Dolorous Edd (1) - Jal

Feysal (9) - Bvoigt, greenknight, Shinori, DCLXVI, Dolorous Edd, Benmage, Albert B. Rampage, Pandora, SnowStorm

Minimum (2) - StefanB, Lyanna Stark
Starbuck (1) - Starbuck
Shadow1psc (1) - Mockingjaye
greenknight (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, Minimum, Tyene Sand, Plessiezarus, kortul, Seraphim, MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, Feysal
kortul (4) - Mastermind of Sin, BBmolla, Staeg, Shdow1psc

Not Choosing (1):

Saporerint

With 28 alive it takes 15 to 'Choose'. Once a choose has 15 votes it will be locked in but not end day.

Prodding Tyene Sand and Staeg.

Apparently this weekend is some sort of US holiday, so I'll be a little more slack for picking up prods and might just send a massprod out tomorrow.

she does this:

UNCHOOSE: greenknight
CHOOSE: DCLXVI

A vanity choose (something she's criticized others for doing) after voicing suspicion of Feysal.

The last point against Tyenne Sand is that there's a lot of blathering in her posts and odd voting choices.

I jumped off greenknight because he claimed masons. I didn't go back to Feysal because I was not convinced Feysal was scum. And I was the first on a wagon that result in the death of scum. What the hell are you criticizing here? Don't I have a right to start wagons too? Unless you're claiming that I jumped off a mason onto my scumbuddy and pushed that wagon until the end (which was a wagon I had been supportive of from the beginning due to redFF, I have no idea how you think it makes sense for me to be scum at this stage.

The point was that you had the opportunity to Vote for DC and there were votes on him, but instead you decided to push for him to be chosen, when there were no choose-votes on him.

Zdenek--at best you are skimming my posts, at worst you're scum.

I jumped off greenknight because he claimed masons. I didn't go back to Feysal because I was not convinced Feysal was scum. And I was the first on a wagon that result in the death of scum. What the hell are you criticizing here? Don't I have a right to start wagons too? Unless you're claiming that I jumped off a mason onto my scumbuddy and pushed that wagon until the end (which was a wagon I had been supportive of from the beginning due to redFF, I have no idea how you think it makes sense for me to be scum at this stage.

And yes, I 'blather' a lot. That's who I am and how I play. Deal with it.

Explain how me being suspicious of you is scummy, how your read on Feysal developed and, while i asked this in one of my longer posts I'll repeat it here, why you thought bvoigt was town at the end of the day.

And yes, I was speculating about the night-kills. The way the kills are ignored in current meta is disgraceful--I like discussing them and referring back to earlier impressions on later days.

Examples of you doing this?

Because the way you're talking about your suspicion of me (and other people) seems to have skips of logic that don't make sense as something that is not deliberate misrepresentation. I might get back to you with more detail.

This has to be the slipperiest wording I have ever seen. If you want to accuse me misrepresenting something, do it with examples. This Zdenek doesn't look like he's not misrepresenting people is bullshit. The fact that you are trying to paint me as scummy with this shit is another reason you need to die.

Knowing that he doesn't have this meta-info tones down my scumread on Feysal, because I originally thought he was deliberately misrepresenting my actions.

Which actions?

Scum
Bvoigt - obviously at this point.
Mastermind of Sin
Tyene Sand (Tierce)

This has to be the slipperiest wording I have ever seen. If you want to accuse me misrepresenting something, do it with examples. This Zdenek doesn't look like he's not misrepresenting people is bullshit. The fact that you are trying to paint me as scummy with this shit is another reason you need to die.

Sit and calm the hell down. Are you just skimming or what? I said I'm in the middle of a gaming session and gave you the cliff notes--you seriously can't expect me to draft a wall while I'm hacking at Eberron critters. I'll get back to you on it, I'm not going anywhere.

As for Feysal, you can start reading my posts and his. I'm not going to rehash that discussion again, it's plenty evident, in our posts, where I changed my mind and I'm not going to phrase it again for your convenience. Go ISO or something while we wait for bvoigt.

First of all, calling that "the cliff's note version" doesn't change anything. To that comment looks like it was worded so that you could paint be as scummy, while avoiding actually accusing me of deliberately misrepresenting anyone.

As for this Feysal business, as far as I can tell the only thing that you could be referring to is this post of his:

You know, explaining that you would have Tammy out of the game before she had posted, and apparently Amrun too if she were playing, does not make any more sense to me. If you were not being whimsical or random voting, what was it? Neither of those players is one I would ever consider lynching on policy. And what was the point of post #237 anyway, since it reads only as being sort of dismissive of their ability as players? For the record, when I said I would have Tammy in LYLO if I could it was not just about her being obvious town, it was a vote of confidence that I would trust her with making the right choice.

That brings me to what I wanted to know in the first place. What is up with the constant jabs between you and Tammy? You act like there is an unresolved grudge or twenty that you are feuding over.

And your read on him changing as a result of you discovering that his meta on you wasn't as good as you thought it was makes no sense considering the other points that you raised against him.

You're really wrong on this read. You really really are. I would bet almost anything she's town. I suggest stepping back and re-reading her ISO later on, you'll find that her scumhunting, demeanor and play is actually incredibly townie despite her mind-changes on a few people. Her paranoia about scum in the strong players is super genuine and the manner of her pointing out the Feysal multiball 'slip' as well as Ices PM-posting 'slip' are extremely town.

I disagree. I think that she is attempting to seem town by doing things that she thinks are townie, but that she is being disingenuous. For instance, her demanding and the retracting the demand for snowstorms partner to claim. There's also,

There is nothing wrong with stating who we'd like to be our nominal Jon Snow, but I disagree with attempts to direct actions on N1.

I agree with the Totally Anonymous Head of the furry critter re: Shinori and redFF. Town guns pointed this way please and thank you.

First saying that she disagrees with attempts to direct night actions and she directs them.

do try to make sure to iron out that hydra dissonance. It can be quite bothersome.

Adding a bit more to what Regfan said about Pandora being town: moreso than Shadoweh revealing identities, I believe that Quilford's post in straight contradiction of what she had done (defending Feysal followed by voting Feysal) is a towntell.

She complains about hydra dissonance and then calls it a town-tell. Personally, anything that I think is a town-tell, I'd be quite happy to see coming from anyone because then I could evaluate it to decide if it's genuine or if it's being faked.

So I'm not quite sure why she finds it bothersome, and I think that she's pretending to find it bothersome because hydra-dissonance is a townie thing to complain about.

As far as Tierce's comment about strong players goes,

Mark my words--there is scum among the strong players in this game, and they are hiding in the numbers of townreads (probably to foster paranoia, to which I say whelp, too late, suffering from it since Yesterday).

I don't place much stock in it because the same sentiment was voiced earlier by Minimum.

I really think there are scum among the widely trusted strong players, though, because all the weaker players/easier lynches keep doing stuff that looks town.

Zdenek: for the record, I know for a fact that Tyene had an earlier post saying basically the exact same thing about having town reads among the scum players (referring to the SnowStorm wagon), because when I wrote that post, I was actually thinking, "Oh, Tierce picked up on the same thing."

Are you talking about this one?

There's scum hiding against my magical townreads and this is pissing me off--I literally have townreads on 8/10+ of that SnowStorm wagon, but I also have trouble believing that scum would stay off such a juicy wagon for so long. In addition, if this is multiball, my "is scumhunting y/n" reads get shot to hell and back. Regardless, I am not about to start a wagon on a frigging townread at this stage in the Day. Honestly I'm not even sure how I'd start to go about de-confirmation-biasing myself with this set. I'm ready for a Night and seeing what happens then.

Because I don't think expressing doubt about town reads is the same as thinking there are scum among the strong players.

As for the rest of your points, not to do Tyene's defending for her, but can you explain how any of those are alignment-relevant? Is scum more likely than town to make superficial "contradictions" like "The vig should kill who he wants" and "I wish this player was vigged" (which is different from "We are forcing the vig to kill this player," anyway).

For the point you have mentioned, it wasn't the vig should kill who he wants and I wished this player was vigged. It was: "I disagree with attempts to direct actions on N1" and "Shinori and redFF. Town guns pointed this way please and thank you." I don't think that things like this are particularly strong scum-tells, but I think they are more likely to come from scum because it shows that the person writing them was saying something that they don't actually believe, which suggests that they are saying it for some reason other than that they think it is true, and who says things for that reason - scum. I don't really feel like going through and explaining why each point I've raised against her is a scum-tell, and I think it should be pretty easy to figure out for most of them. If there is anything you want to know about anything in particular, I'll answer.

And my gosh, everyone ignored our initial case on bvoigt. Seriously. Basically, too much looks too disingenuous for me to be letting this go any time soon. The whole thing, especially the attacks on Tyene, smack of setting up conventional 'tell parameters' of a sort to make his attacks seem sound. They are not. They ignore crucial and obvious factors.

1. I wasn't in the game when the case on bv. was presented, by the time I was here, he was nearly conf. scum, so what's you're point/
2. There is nothing disingenuous here, so diaf.
3. "Tell parameters?" Are you inventing jargon to try to paint me as scummy because I have no idea what that means.
4. Ok, you think I'm wrong about Tyene. Instead of writing vague BS, point out what you think is wrong.

Okay, bugger that. I can't be bothered to muster the patience to show Zdenek the amount of crap he's throwing in hopes it sticks.

Whatever your alignment: you're wrong. Plum put it quite well, and considering there is a grand total of three people calling me scum, it's going to be a long time before I can be convinced to spend time defending myself from a lynch that's not going to happen.

Plum's points were garbage. Maybe you won't be lynched . . .

Kill: Tyene Sand

This should be interesting. After Blood Bowl and Mafia Behind the Maiden, I'm done mustering the emotional willpower to complain about vid kills. If it's true, so be it, and you're an idiot if you're town. If it's fake, you're an idiot too.

No final reads. tsk tsk.

Step 1: ISO Tyene.
Step 2: CTRL-f sala
Step 3: Look at these posts,

At a glance, the Salamence wagon is dull and predictable like my uncle. I have no intention to be part of it.

I'm going to cut you right here re: Salamence and copying behaviors/sheeping. I like your reasoning, but he actually does this kind of thing as town.

So... do the Salamence voters care to tell me why he'd hang a lampshade on the fact that this game is going so much over his head that his reads haven't changed? If he was faking it, I'd expect him to at least have changed a read or two between Post 433 and Post 681.

If he were scum, he'd be trying to look like he's making a real effort. The copy-pasted reads list shows Salamence doesn't really care how he comes across, because he doesn't have anything to fear.

Salamence is such a blatantly easy counterwagon it's almost cute. CES and Mina should be ashamed.

It could be playstyle, and he has been going after the ridiculously easy lynchbait Salamence for quite a while, but it feels like an unnecessary turn of phrase.

Salamence-slot is overwhelmed townie. Swing those wagons elsewhere, please.

Step 4: Notice that her reasons for thinking that Salamance is town are poor and that until he replaces out she mostly defends him by arguing that he's an easy lynch as opposed to arguing that he's town, and that after he replaces out she immediately jumps on the "overwhelmed townie" rationale provided my MoS a few posts earlier.

Step 5.

Vote: Tyene Sand

I thought about that, Zdenek.

However, it was first Tyene who pointed out and lead the charge against Sapo D2.

Sap scum-slipped, Tyene had to bus.

What I am fairly confident in is that Sala is very unlikely scum with Molla, Minimum, MoI, Plum and Tierce (Zdenek look at Tierces Post 773 and Salas reaction to it in Post 777, it's not partner-interaction and while Tierce 'defended' Sala with little reasoning from memory I did a similar thing, I wasn't happy with either of the D1 wagons :/ so I can understand her play very much and don't think she's scum from it at all. Plus the manner in which she pointed out Sapors 'slip' and their following interaction about it isn't partners, stop tunneling on her dude.)

I disagree and want her dead.

So I've read back over day one.

So let's see:

Anxiety is an acceptable lynch, primarily because of MockingJaye's 1274.

I'd back a Feysal, bbmolla or Magua lynch.

Optimal lynches would be Sands and MoS.

I don't see myself voting outside of those 6 today.

bvoigt (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB

If there's scum on the wagon its Plum or Tierce.

Tyene's stances on Feysal day one are clearly explained.

I agree with Dolorous, to an extent. This is a suicide mission, so we have no way of forcing the assassin to kill who we want. Therefore the ultimate decision lies with the vig, but in the meantime we should of course offer our input. What does it matter anyway how we dispose of suspect players? From the scumhunting point of view, none. Everything we say will influence the choice made by whoever we eventually send, and right or wrong,

what we say will be used to determine where our own loyalties lie.

What is suspect about this multiball thing (by all means, pappums--go read a few Feysal posts elsewhere) is the offhanded way Feysal addressed it, as anyone who has read or played with him will realize. Feysal has a tendency to wax prose over every single point that is not an established fact, and here there was an 'assumption' that he simply took and ran with without developing it. It feels awkward, out of place--as if it is already fact for him because he knows his scumteam is too small to be alone.

And if, by chance, he is not a traitorous servant of the enemy, this is most certainly a man I trust with killing that bastard on the Wall.

If you want to

subvert

my meta, you will have to try harder than this.

The boldface is mine.

It's Feysal dropping traitor-tells, and Tyene making it clear she's looking for a traitor.

This is happening.

Vote: Tyene Sand

If Tyene flips Stannis, we auto-lynch Regfan.

Zdenek, go re-read Tierce-RedFF/DCL interactions. They're not partners. Pretty sure she's town.

You're going to have to point them out to me because what I care about is Tierce chastising people for being on vanity wagons and suggesting that she'd prefer to choose someone who she trusted with a kill, and then as a lynch wagon was building on DCL, she decided to start a vanity choose wagon on him.

I can totally see the scum logic in bussing a buddy to pick up an extra kill and town cred, and it even makes more sense if you think that you have a traitor you can recruit.

Zdenek, you do realize Tierce knows Feysal's no good at scum, right? Signalling to him or counting on him for long-term success seems imprudent.

What I see is her traitor hunting and her read on Feysal developing unnaturally.

To recap:
She thinks he's scum for the multiball slip/ not explaining his assumption that the game is multiball.
She makes the "traitorous" comment, Feysal makes the subvert comment in his next post (post 224).
Tyene lays off Feysal, and unchooses him.
Tyene accuses Feysal of twisting her words, and later chooses Feysal again.
All of this points to her having a scum read on Feysal.
She unchooses Feysal and chooses MoS after MoS posted a shitty case against her.
She starts to back away from her scum read on Feysal, saying that it was due to her thinking that he had meta on her, which perhaps he didn't have, which is a ridiculous reason to back off of a scum read because she's essentially relying on a scumread's word about whatever meta research he's done.
After that she basically fence-sits on Feysal.

Just Ctrl+F Tierce/Tyene/Sand. Then come and tell me he has not tunneled on me at every possible chance. Like wow there was so much stuff here that my connection kept timing out on me while trying to post it, so I had to cut the posts down to the sections he mentions me. You presume to have a read on Zdenek, but you missed the HUUUUUGE TUNNEL OF DOOM of ALL THE SCUMTEAMS EVA? That parses very poorly for a town player, Thor.

[Tyene Sand]

I mean, I know you can't be bothered to act townish regardless of your alignment, but at least make an effort not to be scum if you're not mafia, Thor. SpyreX's sig becomes all too tempting in moments like this. Continue with the blatant disregard for what your top scumread has done so far and Jal townread or not, i'm hopping on that wagon because my reads have been lulzworthy and I could do with some :RAGE: in my play at this moment.

[Tyene Sand]

He was tunneling Tierce earlier. Don't be so transparently uninterested in people's alignments.

2+2

Where's this coming from?

Aegon being split up.

That could just mean there's a traitor. Remember Always On? It's the kind of thing where flavor can be somewhat misleading of a reality that still abides by the letter of BB's role PM.

2+2 is viable, yes, but it could also be a similar team to Stannis. Though as far as I remember, Faraday likes to play around with asymmetry, if not in numbers necessarily, in organization of the scumteams.

[Tyene Sand]

By "the letter" I meant "the letter of the law". Figure of speech.

...and actually I believe BB even more now since I just saw him look at his role PMs through Site Activity right before he posted. So... yay?