A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Benmage]

How dare you all post before me!

Vote MoI

mathematically speaking he can't be scum....

Choose Benmage

[Benmage]

Why is everyone choosing so whimsically? It should be peoples #2 scum suspect... and it pointless to do now.

[Benmage]

Quick question, is posting on the alts role related, cause that's going to kill me.

No.

[Benmage]

I'm not Tammy, Minimum, I'm Tierce. Tammy = Lyanna.

We'll see.

Choosing should be policy lynch central since I can easily imagine choosing scum and giving that scumbag a strongman vig being worse for the town than taking out 2 townies that would otherwise get mislynched or screw up in some other way.

Ahh you are correct...

FYI the assassin thing is only a D1 event like thing. Nailing scum is still best as it equates to a 1-1 trade off... i.e. always good for town.

But I'm sure a viable PL target will showthemselves eventually to be chosen.

[Benmage]

Mina why did you switch your rvs already?

[Benmage]

Mina why did you switch your rvs already?

I could've sworn that second vote was a bit more serious, no? Esp considering Starbuck's awkward start.

Are you his scumbuddy?

Yep.

[Benmage]

You're overthinking it Mina (how surprising)... We use it as a second lynch, and thats it. PL or scummy or whatever.

Also you missed my question on why you voted SB.

[Benmage]

We'll see.

Choosing should be policy lynch central since I can easily imagine choosing scum and giving that scumbag a strongman vig being worse for the town than taking out 2 townies that would otherwise get mislynched or screw up in some other way.

Ahh you are correct...

FYI the assassin thing is only a D1 event like thing. Nailing scum is still best as it equates to a 1-1 trade off... i.e. always good for town.

But I'm sure a viable PL target will showthemselves eventually to be chosen.

So do you want to treat it like a policy lynch or a regular one?

VOTE: Benmage.

Doesn't matter.

[Benmage]

Im a little too drunk to post.... I blame faraday.. i wish mina wasnt scum.

[Benmage]

sb is town dedd is scum

[Benmage]

So do you want to treat it like a policy lynch or a regular one?

VOTE: Benmage.

Doesn't matter.

It matters to me and I'd say it matters to everyone else since everyone is talking about it. Strangely enough, nobody picked on your noncommittal stance on the subject. You basically said you're 'ok' with both using it as a regular lynch to catch scum AND using it to lynch a policy lynch target; those two things don't match. So, again, which is it?

Well, I agree that we should use it as a regular lynch and send someone suspicious to kill Jon Snow.

Still doesnt matter if people view voting as someone suspicious, or someone worthy of a policy lynch. Both end with the same result, and that is using it as a second lynch. As people lynch both off of policy and off of suspicion.

So yeah... still doesn't matter.

[Benmage]

VOTE: D Edd

Choose: MoI

That's all for the moment.

After how long you've been looking forward to this game, you're totally okay with dying on D1? Not going to argue with the meanies ganging up on you?

(Likewise for Benmage, except strike the meanies part.)

You said you tried to understand MoI's, and I guess my reasoning for this.... Why?

Who cares why we did it... DO YOU think scum would ever self choose? No.... so walk away and ask questions that matter. (This looks like why isn't MoI being a dick to everyone questioning him herdy her)

Benmage, you should probably learn to tell me and CES apart soon, or this game will get confusing for you. I'm pretty sure I know why he voted her even though he hasn't told me, though.

Why do you find that vote particularly interesting?

I'll explain when my question is answered... and I can tell I'm already hating this hydra.

What's the difference between a choose before you can get any reads and a vote before you can get any reads?

I guess there really isn't one. I just would rather put my Choose vote on someone that could be trusted to follow through on the action rather than give it scum or a policy lynch.

What?!?!? You want you dont want to choose scum?

[Benmage]

AS FOR THE VIG

use it as a second lynch. Before this day is done everyone will state, if I was the vig I'd vig XXX. (this can happen near L-2)

[Benmage]

Why is everyone choosing so whimsically? It should be peoples #2 scum suspect... and it pointless to do now.

What makes you think the choices have been whimsical? Mine was far from it.

Of course, screwing up already.

UNCHOOSE: Tammy
CHOOSE: Lyanna Stark

This is the 5th post in the game.. and you're telling me this wasn't done whimsically???

[Benmage]

I dont see the slip...

[Benmage]

Well, generally, I'd say self-choosing is about the same thing as self-voting - there's no legitimate motivation to do it as either alignment but obviously it happens anyway and it tends to be a town tell for newbies and a scum tell for newbies. MoI's reasoning seems okay though.

CES?

[Benmage]

Feysal is third scum. First two are my voted and chosen player. This game is easy.

I concur... I like Dedd for scum. Feysal slip seems plausible... i don't know. Minnimum.... I fear is scum too.. I like Dedd moreso.

So do you want to treat it like a policy lynch or a regular one?

VOTE: Benmage.

Was this an rvs votes??? Or is this another Faraday blunder?

Vote: Dolorous Edd

Choose: Minimum

FTW

Unvote Vote Dolorous Edd

unchoose Choose Minimum

[Benmage]

Benmage?

Why did you vote Starbuck? (was it answered still reading up)

[Benmage]

Sorry Molla that was terrible

[Benmage]

In other news I actually think BB is town.

Yep.

Unvote Vote Dolorous Edd

what?

What?

[Benmage]

Let's reverse that, actually.

UNCHOOSE: redFF
CHOOSE: Feysal

UNVOTE: Feysal
VOTE: redFF

I don't like how redff entered the game either.

[Benmage]

Benmage is also scum

I wish. Faradays too much a jerk to give me that much.

I <3 Regfan post 99

Unvote D Edd.

.. i was mistaken he's town.

[Benmage]

Okay let me fix...

Unvote

Unchoose

Vote Minimum

Choose redff

[Benmage]

Unvote, vote: Snowstorm

*peer*... so why here CES?

[Benmage]

Benmage: Not much to go for. His selfnominate is damm strange even more so than Moi, don't like his RVS.
Not much to go for, normall self I think.

Yes well Faraday is a douche.

I thought that Mina was an at last okay player. CES I don't know anythink about.

If they're town... Mina would probably overthink it and vig me... I'd be ok with town CES firing.

Im caught up huzzah.

[Benmage]

Early Reads:
Town:
18) Benmage
2) Lyanna Stark (Tammy)
4) Dolorous Edd (Ser Arthur Dayne/bodean44)
6) Tyene Sand (Tierce)
9) MagnaofIllusion
12) hasdgfas
14) Regfan
20) Plessiezarus (Zar/Plessiez)
22) Pandora (Hydra)
24) Starbuck
25) BBmolla
26) SnowStorm
28) StefanB


Scum:
1)Minimum (Mina/CES)
10) Plum's Yo Mamma
11) redFF
13) Shadow1psc

Other:
5) Staeg
15) pappums rat
21) Feysal
23) Salamence20


Who??:
3) Mockingjaye
7) Petyr Baelish (zoraster)
8) Hyperion
16) Sword_of_Omens
17) Bvoigt
19) Mastermind of Sin
27) Jal

[Benmage]

Milk as much reads and connections as possible out of it cow... plus might help direct the choosee if we choose town.

[Benmage]

Milk as much reads and connections as possible out of it cow... plus might help direct the choosee if we choose town.

reads i get, but we really shouldn't direct it it we choose town, and scum will just ignore the direction.

Well we won't know till after the fact... but it wouldn't be full direction, just say if the person wanted to sheep someone specifically or a minor influence (like following who I'd vig)

[Benmage]

Let's talk about the bolded though - why would you assume Feysal scum in Multiball would have read about other scum? No Eddard Stark game so far that I have played in that was Multiball has specifically mentioned it in the role PM. Your scum read is based on facts that Town shouldn't be considering. Did you just slip and indicate that your scum PM tells you it is Multiball? Jumping on others who mention Multiball when you are scum yourself is a scum-tell I have seen prove effective in the past [most recently WrathChild in Star Wars Mafia].

Wut?

I'm saying it's possible that in the scum PM it mentions other factions, esp flavor wise (ex, You are Dany, you wanna kill the Lannisters, but don't forget about your other threat Stannis too).

OR simply I am a sfum team of 3 there must be another team.... Something like that would make more sense.

[Benmage]

Why is everyone choosing so whimsically? It should be peoples #2 scum suspect... and it pointless to do now.

What makes you think the choices have been whimsical? Mine was far from it.

Of course, screwing up already.

UNCHOOSE: Tammy
CHOOSE: Lyanna Stark

This is the 5th post in the game.. and you're telling me this wasn't done whimsically???

I am. What of it?

Benmage, what is it with the order you're reading the game in? It doesn't look like you're ISOing anyone in particular, but the posts you're quoting are from back, forth and all over the place.

Oh ok.. you were using your rvs choose as if it meant something... well it didn't.

And I was commenting on concurrent things while going back and catchingup.

[Benmage]

post 212
-Cow: I've played with cow a lot.. I think I can read him. His opener read as eager aggressive town. The continuation of the tone of his post re-enforce this initial read.
-Plessiearrus: This post is a town post: post 108 ... the continual posting reads town as well. He giving early reads and questioning people. Town.
-Starbuck: Her opening mindset was aligned with my own. Her defeatist self choose and essential VT claim screamed of town. Scum wouldn't yield so quickly. SB isn't the one to try and skillfully manipulate such a situation. She is genuinely town.
-BBmolla: Everything reads pretty standard town. Gonna have to go with gut mostly here on how I read him.
-Snow: Noobtown read for the moment.


-Plum: To easy a vote on SB. Just seems to comment on nothing... Its like fluff posting that scum can talk about things that don't really matter. Talking about vig targets, PL..agree with me 1-1 trade is good (duh). Although, Plum can often be verbose... The cow sheeping comment reads town to me. So Plum isn't someone I'd consider lynching atm.

-Shadoweh entered the game too cutesy.... I've seen scum not sure how to enter games and therefore enter trying to be cute or funny... Again... not really the strongest read here, because I don't give shadoweh the player much credit.

[Benmage]

I'm not shadoweh.

I meant you, I don't know why I said shadoweh.

~Tags fixed

[Benmage]

Other just means null.

[Benmage]

Yeah you can put Feysal as a town read... I didn't think too much about that list, I was on the way out... The other 2 have nothing memorable, and I wanted to iso look at pappumms.

[Benmage]

Tierce you should choose Redff with me.

[Benmage]

Tierce at this point Minim is more likely to be lynched.. I'd worrry less about the 'aim' of people... and more concerned with getting those we want dead, dead. So you should switch.

Plus red if scum.. doesn't matter.. and if town, there's much worse shooters out there.. Mina for instance.

[Benmage]

Ben: Are you calling Mina a worse shoter

Shes a bad shot because her scumdar is not very good.. and she over thinks too much to allow crazy ideas to enter her head where yes she'll rationalize shooting someone like myself.

[Benmage]

I know this is pot calling kettle black.. we need to slow the pace of the game down.

D edd.. Tyne.. MoI.. Myself

... we are all town.. It'll be a detriment to allow some amount of scum to hide in the unfortunate town who will fall behind.... No more than 1 post possibly summarizing or responding for the remainder of today. (its 430ish est for me)... Expect a summary post tonight... and no more.

We can keep up this zoooooom mode. Especially with density... lookin at you d-edd.

[Benmage]

ditto-ing off MoS i don't know if you all know... i've been off work since saturday and dont start till sept 5... so i'll have plenty of time to own this thread... i just was out in montauk and drove home.. so i'm wiped. Expect pwnage tomorrow.

[Benmage]

Too burnt out today... I'll make sure I find time soon.

[Benmage]

Sal, There was nothing worthwild in this: post 278

Regfan and MagnaofIllusion are also decently strong townreads, although I won't explain either for

now for reasons.

Super secret reason not to explain a town read.... pffft

Continuing This...

Continuing what your first post was a bunch of quotes ??? post 241

5) Benmage, I don't have a particularly high opinion of my scumhunting, but I'd trust myself with a vig a lot more than I'd trust you. Speaking of which, you never explained why you were so interested in Minimum's vote for Starbuck (and then for Snow Storm).

You need me to explain why I questioned unexplained votes?

I'm getting a similarish vibe from him here than I did in White Flag where he was town.

Odd reference.. I thought a lot found me scum in WF. I may be senile here.


(So yeah still quite a ways back... more to come later )

[Benmage]

I'm gonna wait to update readslist till I'm caught up.. off of where I am, I'd like to be choosing Shadow... I think Jal n Sal are town... Hype maybe noobtown.

[Benmage]

fuckit

unchoose choose Shadow

choo choo

my buddy law school grad party + taking lil bro to udelaware tomorrow.. means my weekend will be busy.

[Benmage]

blah

unchoose choose Shadow

[Benmage]

zzzzz tomorrow I guess.

[Benmage]

For all, MoIs reason for selfchosing, MoIs post 125 (ISO 2) gave for me understandable his reason.

Ben is more mysterious about it.

And?

And you definitely get no town cred whatsoever by self-Choosing, and then immediately going, "You're scum for asking why I did it, because I'm obviously confirmed town for self-Choosing."

Well for someone who accuses me of ‘selective reading’ this is pretty interesting interpretation of my response to you. Please by all means link to ANY post I’ve made this game that indicates directly that I have claimed to be Confirmed Town.

I said this.. and is it not true?

Yup Shadow1 is scum also.

Scum/scum with a town pm...the 'cutesy' game is useless

I hated how he come right in and started defending Feynal...reeks of scumbuddies...

Because scum buddies are going to white knight on day one, less than 24 hours in to said day.

Too much of this game is being taken too seriously too quickly.

*headdesk*

Then you either didn't read it, or you've never played with Mina. Simple as that.

Everyone hits their stride later.... and its an easy scum veil.

Cow

what do you think of the scum logic in a posting style like the ones you quoted here: post 382

2. for his nice scummy post (I am so scummy, so of course I am not scum)

Because scum deliberately act scummy

But town do?

Unchoose

FML

[Benmage]

- Suspicious Heartfelt Atypical Dour Omnicient Waffling Emergency Hydrapartner

Jackal, jackal, its jackal! Jackal!

CES, I don't find anything in your posts even slightly town, convince me I'm wrong?

I'm being far too lazy to be scum.

See CES is smart enough to dance this line... Shadow isn't.

You should learn to sheep. It's a very useful skill.

Convince Mina to sheep/proxy me the remainder of the game and you can live. (Cause unless I stop this... people with mull, and you will be deadline swingy-in..so get back to me)

I'm willing to bet, come sun up day 2, no one will have been right about a single person.

I'd bet my end of day list is more than 80% accurate.

I can point you to Weather Mafia II where I got BBmolla-scum lynched D1 with decent pieces of evidence (why do you care if the evidence is 'right' when lynching scum, anyway? People make too much noise out of cases, and there's little point in giving your scumread ammunition against you). It happens, and it's not that rare.

WOAH WOAH WOAH... lets not forget I vig'd scumReck D1 too.... okay moving on. (infact I think I’m batting a 1000 as a vig on this site)

I don't have much in the way of scumreads. SnowStorm, redFF, I-can-go-with-Minimum.

SnowStorm

is easily the strongest of those. I also need to check Hyperion, but that won't happen tonight.

You should stop assuming stupid = scum, btw.

Promise me Ned? Promise you what? That'd I'd delete your posts on the wrong account? Sure thing, sister!

Hmmmm I must be forgetting how this part in the book went down.

[Benmage]

Gotchya SB.

[Benmage]

Re: Regfan's 345 - again, for the millionth time I ask: how is posting 10 posts of 50 words worse than 2 of 250?

People generally look at the number of pages first, if they see the game has exploded with 10+ pages they're more inclined to want to replace out or procrastinate instead of getting to the game (Pappums is a perfect example of this) whereas walls and longer posts do much less of that and in worst case the people with less time or who are lazier can just glimpse/skim read them (Which they shouldn't do!) so it's much less harmful.

That might keep people away... but tis these fucking walls the drain the life out of people.

PFFT. Reckoner was too lazy to be scum in Scummies too...wait. Also, are you going to say you're random vote hopping as scum in the WoT game was you being active and not lazy?

Yeah,

Reck is pretty uncoo

l (it should be fairly obvious this tell isn't supposed to apply to everyone?). And the WoT thing was me being overwhelmed, not lazy.

Oh you motherfucker...

who can disagree with this

fuk fuk fuck.

LOOK people don't wanna be scumbags. Tactically lurking is douchebaggery numero uno. See reck. CES, honourable.

unvote

goddamnit.. takin a break, I will plow through this soon enough and set us down the path of enlightenment.

[Benmage]

I said this.. and is it not true?

Self-Choosing is not a Town-tell. It's not a scum-tell but it certainly isn't "TownTownTown" either.

I meant in the specific cases here.

[Benmage]

I know I promised to wait.. but here's a quick look attempt:

Town:
1) Minimum (Mina/CES)
2) Lyanna Stark (Tammy)
3) Mockingjaye
4) Dolorous Edd (Ser Arthur Dayne/bodean44)
5) Staeg
6) Tyene Sand (Tierce)
9) MagnaofIllusion
12) hasdgfas
13) Shadow1psc
14) Regfan
pappums rat15) Amrun
18) Benmage
20) Plessiezarus (Zar/Plessiez)
22) Pandora (Hydra)
23) Salamence20
24) Starbuck
25) BBmolla
26) SnowStorm
27) Jal
28) StefanB


scum
11) redFF
Hyperion8) Shinori
10) Plum's Yo Mamma

other
Petyr Baelish7) kortul
sword of omens16) greenknight
17) Bvoigt
19) Mastermind of Sin
21) Feysal

[Benmage]

But how will we know that we are choosing scum? We don't. So why not have some control over this rather than none at all?

How will we know the person the chosen townie shoots is scum? God damn.

Wait wait wait.... he doesn't post since post 83 other than a will post comment... and thats it... lol, this slot can die.

In other news.. still busy.

[Benmage]

*headdesk* omggggg can we just kill someone so you can all stop posting much....

[Benmage]

This is rather amusing.

Do you have the energy to place a real vote yet?

[Benmage]

I don't know that I've seen town benmage exasperated at the amount of content in a game before.

Link exasperated scumBenmage please.

[Benmage]

I don't know that I've seen town benmage exasperated at the amount of content in a game before.

Link exasperated scumBenmage please.

I don't know that I've played as scum with you. Just seems like a bitch move. That goes for everyone wimping out at the amount of content

in a 28 player game

.

So there's no point to your statement... got it.

[Benmage]

No, my point directly at you as that you haven't taken the "I'm awesome don't give a shit" town benmage stance yet, and

you in particular

balking at the size of the game doesn't sit well with me.

But your data of

me in particular

is quite lacking. ...And I think my awesome towness has been made quite apparent. Didn't you yourself previously call me town? (anyways this convo is pointless)

[Benmage]

DC

shadow was just blowing smoke...

-You didn't answer my question about your useless vote.

[Benmage]

Just subbed in, anyone wanna give me a general overview of what's happened? Other than that I'll probably re-read and get fully caught up tomorrow.

##Unvote:

##Unchoose:

Yeah, make this easy and tell us who your partners are

Silly. You know who they are.

So why the minimum wagon? I'll ISO later today but I'm about to sleep cause I haven't in like 28 hours or something silly. Cause work.

I like this. You sound relaxed.

I concur... which is killing me...my head is spinning with read changes... I need blood to sort through this.

[Benmage]

Choose Feysal

this still feels good.

[Benmage]

-You didn't answer my question about your useless vote.

I don't view my votes as useless.

Whats your case against Jal?

What do you think is the likelihood of Jal being lynched today?

[Benmage]

I was going to sheep this SnowStorm wagon, then I decided against it.

Ehhh, could do worse... We need blood.

[Benmage]

I think shes flipping noobtown too... but I'd take her over sal or mini... and she aint really bringing much to the table

Plus with the vig and shit... we'll have a lot of blood to go off tomorrow.. so I'm eager to see the chips fall.

[Benmage]

2) Why is Benmage "very likely town"? Statements that are missing the why are so tedious to deal with, after all...

As I said, he started the game out strongly, jumped right in, wasn’t really cautious, and really started scumhunting at an early stage. I think the majority if not all of scum would start the game on a cautious note especially in a game this large. You know, if you put yourself in a scum shoes, would you just really come out and start posting a lot and interact and stuff, or would you lean more towards the side of cautious?

Fairly self-evident... I get unexplained reads, but not sure why Pless harped on this 1 twice.

[Benmage]

fuckit

vote Snow

[Benmage]

SnowStorm you should claim.

[Benmage]

No 4 votes is not a counter wagon. We don't need a 60 page d1. HEAD OUT OFF ASS... lets end today.

[Benmage]

SnowStorm you should claim.

You should change your vote.

There is no legitimate counter wagon. To drag out today would be detrimental to the game. If you were town you'd go willingly at this point and simply yield final reads.

[Benmage]

There is no legitimate counter wagon. To drag out today would be detrimental to the game.

If you were town you'd go willingly at this point

and simply yield final reads.

What? So you're just asking me to give up? Seriously? Is that how you do it here?

Give final reads. If you are lynch now, or on pg 60... whats better for the town? (hint to be lynched now)

[Benmage]

DC

i guess you missed this:

-You didn't answer my question about your useless vote.

I don't view my votes as useless.

Whats your case against Jal?

What do you think is the likelihood of Jal being lynched today?

[Benmage]

When the inevitable is set... you give final reads, and you end the day. There will be no great epiphany... nothing will change... and the end of the day I will go "i told you so"... see you there in 20 pages of nothingness... gj being antitown.

[Benmage]

DOLOROUS! Everyone fucking capitulates otherwise lynches don't happen. RARELY do I ever get to lynch my #1 choice. I fought Snow's lynch for 38? pages.... Buts its done. its going to happen. Today needs to end. I think Snow will flip town. There is zero difference between me capitulating, ans SNOW capitulating to her own lynch. GEtfuckingbetter.

[Benmage]

Lynching town as town is perfectly viable.

You're L-4... whose next? L-11....... Keep fluffing with me, totally not proving my point. (Hint to derailing selfwagon is attacking the shitty voters on your wagon.. providing a strong alternative suspect...getting the middle voters to vote alternative suspect

I'll help push you in the right direction...

bullet the bvoigt case.

[Benmage]

DOLOROUS! Everyone fucking capitulates otherwise lynches don't happen. RARELY do I ever get to lynch my #1 choice. I fought Snow's lynch for 38? pages.... Buts its done. its going to happen. Today needs to end. I think Snow will flip town. There is zero difference between me capitulating, ans SNOW capitulating to her own lynch. GEtfuckingbetter.

Ok, so you're the one giving up. If you think I'm town, why aren't you pushing for your scum reads?

Btw, I'm a "he".

Because I'm much more experienced than you. These games don't last hours or days... they last months... and wasting 60 pages on D1 is not beneficially to the town. So lynching you, and analyzing it afterwards and moving forward is the best bet for the town right now.... what can I say, the truth hurts? Ignorance is Bliss?

[Benmage]

I already tried that, It didn't work.

ty for already proving my point.

[Benmage]

Well fuck, lol if you're a confirmable mason... you won't be lynched.

I... guess... your partner ought to claim? Two confirmed townies.... its late maybe my mind sucks right now.... but that'll definitely avoid you being lynched.

[Benmage]

Oh nameclaim I guess cant hurt...

[Benmage]

MoS you haven't done shit today... and everything I said was true.

[Benmage]

I highly doubt scum go hailmairy D1 when there's likely other killing entites... I see no harm in the partner claiming.

Unvote vote bvoigt

[Benmage]

MoS you haven't done shit today... and everything I said was true.

There are better options out there, and there were before. You parking your vote on the largest wagon was a dumb move.

I disagreed beforehand that Sala was better than Snow. So there was really no alternative for me.. and I don't think Sala was a viable alternative prior to this anyways.

[Benmage]

You realize there's a reason we're hydraing, right, MoI?

Bvoigtwagon seems to me mostly a matter of him being not that strong a player but not to the point where it looks like an easy lynch. His posting seems fine to me.

Tammy, you should choose greenknight.

Okay.. so Sala than..

Can you bullet for me the Sala case?

[Benmage]

Oh look analyzable information.

SnowStorm (10) - Plessiezarus,

Regfan, Tyene Sand

, Feysal, Jal, Shinori,

MagnaofIllusion, Pandora, BBmolla

, kortul

Minimum (3) - Salamence20, Hasdgfas,

Lyanna Stark

Salamence20 (5) - Amrun,

Minimum

, bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc
Feysal (1) -

Starbuck

Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (1) - StefanB
bvoigt (2) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight
Jal (2) -

SnowStorm

, DCLXVI
Mockingjaye (1) -

Dolorous Edd

Not Voting (2):

Mockingjaye,

Benmage

IMO***

If the Mason isn't green I see no issue in claiming, since we have so many strong town reads we could really start PoE scum off already


(So where's our hiding scum??)

[Benmage]

^Assuming Feysal eats it, I looked at Jal Shinori and Kortul's iso... out of all of them I'd be most willing to go with Jal.... Tho I don't feel real solid about it... the iso isn't altogether very good but a little thing like:

Time to try and get myself back into this.

when I look at comments like this it just pings me town.

*headesk* *headesk* *headdesK*

we need blood.

[Benmage]

Bvoigt

does look genuine when I relook his iso. I haven't relooked at

MoS

but I get more not paying attention town attitude than tactical scum trying to look dumb.

Amrun

is very un-amrun-like.... Which shit happens... and no way do I see scumAmrun trying to tactically lurk... I digress, not this spot today.

Cow

... I thought I got initial cow town read. I don't like his lack of contribution. I don't have a very strong read here on either way. I'd be okay with lynching here probably.

I still have

Shadow

down as not being good enough to pull of sarcastic scum... Uhmm the ole scotmans thing if you will I suppose. But I guess its possible... future days.. keep an eye on Shadow.

[Benmage]

Looking at Sala's iso... I don't see it being that bad. Gotta agree with Tierce here:

If he were scum, he'd be trying to look like he's making a real effort. The copy-pasted reads list shows Salamence doesn't really care how he comes across, because he doesn't have anything to fear.

Hey!!! Someone understands me!!!! About time!!!

I'm not one that does much on day 1, I play much better when flips start happening, but thats more because I suck at scumhunting.

^This rings genuine.

[Benmage]

Fuckit

Unvote Vote JAL

ALL ABOARD

(btw I have mockinjaye as town... it took me extensive meta research of her past games to figure out she was town last game... I think she's town here... funny she's batting down for the hurricane... There's literally something drastic happening in every game I've read)

[Benmage]

Fuckit

Unvote Vote JAL

ALL ABOARD

Where were you when I was voting Jal a bit ago But the bvigot wagon feels much more likely in sight of actually reaching a lynch. What happened to "fuckit let's just get this day over with"?

I just got my analyzable wagon with Snow being a mason.

Come join me on Jal.

[Benmage]

Okay, so I'm not caught up and probably won't be for another 3 days (and uh deadline's in 4 and a quarter so), so I'll join this thread from here and talk and stuff.

Sheep me, vote Jal.

[Benmage]

Find the scum on the Snow wagon for me.

[Benmage]

Fuckit

Unvote Vote JAL

ALL ABOARD

Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.

Where is your point in this statement?

How come you refuse to be able to give a reason for your voting Jal?? THIS IS ME ASKING FOR THE THIRD TIME FOR REASONING.

[Benmage]

Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.

Don't try to make sense of Benmage, it's futile.

Are u guys fucking retarded.

Prior to Snows mason claim he was the only viable wagon. Hence DC's vote was useless... on a nonplausible wagon.

DO YOU NOT FOLLOW CHANGE OF EVENTS.... since Snow is a mason... other previously non viable wagons are now viable...

w.t.f subjective reading ftl.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Bvoigt

blood it is again.

[Benmage]

Is the reason you went from calling us scum to town literally this? That CES is being too lazy to be scum, or that CES called Reck uncool?

That reck is a douche who would say I'm being to lazy to be scum while being scum... and CES isn't a douche. But yes.

[Benmage]

I'll lynch bvoigt or sala I dont care at this point.

But I like Feysal chosen....

We need to lynch someone already.

[Benmage]

I'll be v/la till tuesday

[Benmage]

Good stuff regfan, feel better about Kortul.. post 1095

Also, can the choice please be Feysal? Pretty please? With a cherry on top?

Too tired to continue so I'll deal with this later, but in the meantime - have a look at the people on my wagon, and what they have said about me. Then ask yourself, are you sure you want to be associated with that kind of company? The way I see it, the only reason I even have a wagon at this point is because lurkers and replacements have parked their choices on me.

Wrong.

Feysal, I think everyone other then you stopped caring about Starbuck twenty pages ago.

QFT

unvote vote GreenKnight.

LOOK I think a lot of people on the Sala wagon view Bvoigt town... and a lot on the Bvoigt wagon view Sala town. Shit I got a town read on Bvoigt... and I need to relook at Sala but had a town read there too..

Can't we agree on a GK wagon? We need to compromise.

[Benmage]

MoI

what is your read on Sala?

[Benmage]

StefB why are you yelling solely at me?

I have the feeling that this is two town wagons. Therefore scum are content to look good sticking to their guns, have no reason to conform to a lynch because they can twiddle twiddle and it really doesn't matter for them in the end who ends up hanging.

Minimum (1) -

Saporerint

Saporerint (8) - Minimum, bvoigt, Mastermind of Sin, Shadow1psc, BBmolla, Shinori, Regfan, Albert B. Rampage
Feysal (1) -

Starbuck

Shinori (1) -

Staeg

Shadow1psc (1) -

Lyanna Stark

bvoigt (9) - Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB

Jal (1) -

DCLXVI

greenknight (1) - Benmage

Not Voting (5):

Mockingjaye,

kortul,

Plessiezrus, Jal, Feysal

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

I'll hammer either of these towns obv over a no lynch... but either will flip town. So grats. MEANWHILE these do nothings is who you should pester.

[Benmage]

@ALL can people list reads on GreenKnight?

[Benmage]

^Ehh fuckit ignore that last request.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Salamance

[Benmage]

Err

unvote vote Saporient

[Benmage]

unvote vote Shadow

yeah yeah spam spam spam.... I can't take it... This is two town wagons. Shadow.. I'm out... sorry for the spam.

[Benmage]

Im losing... to much sun today.

Unvote vote Bvoigt

I guess him over Sala... Sala's post of YES UNDERstAND ME screams town to me.... zzzzzzz.. still think bvoigts town too tho...

[Benmage]

^Oh look scum Feysal nitpicks and reaaaaaaachhhes to conveniently vote GK... just call it him over me and be done with it. SCUM SCUM SCUmm mc.scum.

I have the feeling that this is two town wagons. Therefore scum are content to look good sticking to their guns, have no reason to conform to a lynch because they can twiddle twiddle and it really doesn't matter for them in the end who ends up hanging.

I think this is very possible. Really looking at this position I'm not confident that either will flip scum and my vote has come a 'less sure this one will flip town compared to the other one' which it really really shouldn't be. I'm not finding a wagon that I can get going that's decent and will get support though. I can do Stefan, DCL, Minimum, heck even Starbuck right now isn't too bad a lynch despite her claim so if you think any of those have a chance to go through let me know.

I like DCL, or really Shadow at this point. Against Starbuck and Minimum...

[Benmage]

This Bvoigt lynch is awful and pushed by scum.

Which ones voting him are scum?

Personally its like I said.. scum are content to deadline coast because the only two viable wagons are both on town. G-G.

[Benmage]

Is 72 hours enough time to wagon Shadow?

If you want Sala and don't want Bvoigt lynched, would you prefer Shadow over Bvoigt?

Same question to Bvoigt voters... if not Bvoigt would you prefer Shadow over Sala being lynched?

I'd prefer Shadow over either of these 2.

Unvote vote Shadow

(Lets see... I'll be around to make sure a lynch happens... we have the time... lets stop voting 2 obvtown.)

[Benmage]

If you want Sala and don't want Bvoigt lynched, would you prefer Shadow over Bvoigt?

Would you rather lynch town or town?

Shadow town over bvoigt town or sala town... would you not?

[Benmage]

Feysal (1) - Starbuck
Shinori (1) - Staeg
Shadow1psc (3) - Lyanna Stark, Benmage, kortul
Jal (1) - DCLXVI
DCLXVI (2) - Regfan, Minimum

Not Voting (5): Mockingjaye, Plessiezrus, Jal, Feysal, Saporerint

Deadline is in 3 Days. Every single one of you is doing it wrong (or scum happy to No-Lynch) and needs to drive another wagon.

The icecrint lynch is shattering... and Bvoigt is town.

There's plenty of time before deadline, if you think we won't achieve a lynch you're paranoid.

@Bmolla

.... if all 3 flip town... ICE is going to be 1000X better than shadow.... why would you want him dead....

[Benmage]

YO

ICEHydra

do me a favor with the deadline where it is and vote Shadow.

[Benmage]

Why did you vote bvoigt and spend so much time talking about DC????

VOTE: bvoigt

CHOOSE: DCLXVI

~ Pless

[Benmage]

Bvoigt wagon:
Plum's Yo Mamma, greenknight, SnowStorm, Dolorous Edd, Tyene Sand, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Seraphim, StefanB (Plezz who I just asked)

ScumPlum:

Here scum Plum places a vote on a weak player and really gets after bvoigt. Post 746

Scum Plum then goes onto coast. Like I said. Scum had two competeing town wagons and could coast to deadline. SCUM scum mcscum.

GK:

GK's coasting...

In the meantime

vote: Bvoigt

MoI and Snow you should join this wagon.

@Plum What is confusing about my behaviour? I think minimum is still suspicious but isn't a viable lynch today, and have snow as a townread and bvoigt as scum... MoI and Snow have stated scum reads on bvoigt too.

3rd mention of bvoigt... never has any real complaint of bvoigt.. the first is him attacking Sala.... Seems like a sheeping vote.

Snow:

Another better this than nothing vote...

VOTE: bvoigt

I'm not very comfortable with voting Sala. I have a null read on him and some people have defended him. I feel better with lynching bvoigt.

Snow, I had you as town before you claimed. You're lynch was bad. We got a deadline extension. This lynch is BADDD. (See how I am illustrating it the way I suggested for you to do) Please vote Shadow.

D Edd:

He's town... he votes Bvoigt as a counterwagon. DEDD, since you're down with Shadow. Help me, help you, help us... and vote Shadow... as you have him as scum anyways.

Oh crap, there is actually a decent wagon on bvoigt.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bvoigt

Much much much more comfortable pushing this counter wagon.

bvoigt

/

Feysal

it is for me.

Tierce:

Tierce is town. Votes Bvoigt because Snow is town. Only thing viable.

Tierce

as a favor from our pwnage in WMII.... unvote bvoigt and vote Shadow.

UNVOTE: SnowStorm
VOTE: bvoigt

This is actually a good point. SnowStorm is definitely a better lynch than Minimum, though

obviously

Sala is my first choice.

While I have hardly paid attention to bvoigt so far, I really dislike the smug wording in this line. (

Emphasis

mine.) And it's by far the least awful of the main wagons.

My

sword

gentle words

sprigs of hemlock

vote is yours, Plum/Nacho. Use it wisely.

Quil/Eh:

This town hydra doesn't even want this.

bvoight wagon seems like it would just be a deadline rush. I've never had good luck with these but ugh I don't want to run Salamance up either. I hate everything. -_-

##Unvote
##Vote: bvoight

Quil.... you're ambivalent with Shadow. Vote him. And you are right.. this counter wagon suck

s

(ed).
-Eh... I'm town. Bvoigt is town. You are town. Vote Shadow.

MoI:

Doesn't really explain much in his vote post: Post 1013
But look... finds shadow scum:

Bvoigt and Shadow1 - I have scum reads on them (and if you bothered to check would see I am Choosing Shadow) so you are agreeing with me here.

-MoI

A) Can you vote shadow? You have him as scum... This bvoigt wagon, as you can see... is utter shit. **Also could you bullet for me your initial beef with bvoigt?

Uselessslotpappums/amrun/Sera:

Alright, /confirm

I have no clue whether or not I'll have time to read the thread. We'll see, I guess. In the meantime, I'll jump right in on the action with what I see on this page.

CHOOSE: greenknight

VOTE: bvoigt

Like are you fucking kidding me?? Do we even want this wagon analyzable?

StefanB:

His iso has zero interaction with Bvoigt prior to this post. As you can see it was another well I guess him over Sala.... totally useless.

Okay we need a lynch and a send:
I think it is one of the bigger waggons:
Saporerint or Bvoight

Well the replacementhydra is a chance and well I like the people on the Bvoightlynch better. (Don't like any of the slots.

Unvote
Vote: Bvoight

Benmage:

Can you please get your vote back on on of the waggons which have a chance for the lynch. Choosing Greenknight is a posibility.

For the choice: I am leaning

Feysal

at the moment, but for him and

Greenknight

: Who do you plan to shot at the moment, would you be okay, wich town directing you?

StefanB we have a deadline extension. Please vote Shadow, who you previously voted.


Conclusion:
As you can see this wagon is completely atrocious. Half the votes are because people didn't like the alternative wagon. We have a Mason sheeping. ScumPlum who like I said, has no need to continue pushing this wagon and after placing her voted, coasttttted. There's plenty of people even on this wagon who already find Shadow suspicious.

Nothing will be achieved by lynching Bvoigt for he will flip town, and any subsequent voters will likely vote him solely to avoid a no lynch.

Moral: Moar Shadow VOTES.

[Benmage]

This reads town to me:

And the languagebarrier is only my fault, not yours.

If it is to difficult I will replace out

. (Yes that was about her scumread on me)

Vote shadow now.

[Benmage]

Re: Sshadow1 asfdgk but he's TOWN. He has the attitude, it just doesn't feel right!

The bvoigt lynch is terribad.

[Benmage]

Mollas, you're better than that shit choose there.

This is how a townie claims D1 in ASOIF game:

What the heck, I go to class this morning with two votes and come back with 12. I'm Arnolf Karstark, vt.

Any scum would easily claim doc or tracker or something that gets people to second guess lynching a PR, or at the very least gets a counterclaim and outs a PR.

No sirrr... This is a townie. And a mislynch(choose).

Moral: @allgetbetter.

[Benmage]

DC

do you follow deadlines? Do you understand how lynces work? (Hint majorirty)... Zero chance to lynch Regfan meaning your votes with a few days remaining is pointless...especially as you are about to be condemned to death.

[Benmage]

DC

Please consider this for your vig (from best to worst):
10) Plum's Yo Mamma
21) Feysal
Hyperion8) Shinori
20) Plessiezarus (Zar/Plessiez)
27) Jal
hasdgfas12) Albert B. Rampage
pappums rat Amrun15) Seraphim
19) Mastermind of Sin

[Benmage]

Do you follow the game?

I got from 2 votes to L-1 in like 24 hours or so. Why couldn't that be done to someone else?

I am following the game. Those votes decended on you so quickly because you've lurked to hell.. So you are an easy pick. Plus the deadline is approaching so people are getting off of useless wagons... not making new ones. OH AND THE COUNTER ONE CLAIMED MASON... thats where most of the votes came from. Thats how it moved so quickly... but you claimed VT... so they will not sail off of you.


So since you have dug you're own grave. Please consider my vig choices for youself. Vigging Regfan would be horrible.

[Benmage]

Thats fine... ideally lets hope you nail scum. Please consider my list.

@ALL

there is still time to CHOOSE FEYSAL. DC IS BLEEDING TOWN. Be ashamed.

[Benmage]

Don't care much for Shadows claim.

Lynching ScumPlum is still an option.

[Benmage]

What does shadow do? Jailkeep a cop, to find out they have investigate...

Sounds like an uber scum role.

Still down to hang.

[Benmage]

Dude just look at the VC... 1 day 20 hrs..

[Benmage]

Well fuckina

Unvote vote Plum

Scum. Nacho lurks as Scum. Plum made case... coasted. Lets do this.

[Benmage]

Since we can't organize to jail someone scummy.. and it'll likely miss or be screwed with... I think we should use it to doc someone?

I'm pretty burnt out but think this is the best course.

[Benmage]

Oh yeah and Faraday sucks.

[Benmage]

unvote vote bvoigt

works he claimed odd vig will risk it.

[Benmage]

I am down to quicklynch

.. I dont see this day yielding much other than "yeah vote bvoigt cool"... "yada yada yada **nothingness**"

[Benmage]

I misread shadows saying Staeg instead of BVO. I don't know why.

I'm fine with BVO lynch, however if Bvo flips town we look at staeg and shadows because of weird stuff i got in my pm last night.

##Vote: Bvo

Explain said PM.. much easier.

Can someone dig up that other message we saw before (yesiamthislazy)

[Benmage]

I'm not sure I like Benmage's idea to use the jailkeep as a doc ability...seems like a good way to render a PR useless for the night.

Like that isn't a possibility anyways?

[Benmage]

Maybe we make like a top 3 townie list... and vote amongst them... so scum really can't kill any of the three.. Me likes this.

[Benmage]

Benmage because I don't like the way DCL in his one of his earlier posts just sniped a little at him, but didn't really continue with it or anything. And while Benmage has been active, etc, I really don't want to end up getting screwed over because he turns out to be scum. However, he really should be one of the much later lynches if anything. I just feel like I shouldn't just place him in the town pile because I'm really starting to lose the confidence about him I once had.

DCL sniped at me... I called him out... and continued to call him out.

I then called him town via his vt claim. Thats not how benmagescum operates.

[Benmage]

Right...I guess Ill skim today later.

[Benmage]

Before I send mine in.. we're doing townreads aye?

Whose some list of 3-5 people have been using?

[Benmage]

Sent

[Benmage]

Magua, how do you not have me as the townest of the town?? You know Faraday hates me right?

[Benmage]

Magua, I didnt govern scum in lylo.. no need to strectch the truth. And it actually had no outcome on the game... because the governing was to due to not everything adding up which my hunch was correct as we got eff'd by *spread arms wide*

But lylo......

And hell yeah I CC'd a cultcop who was the scummiest acting person in the game. Have you never been in a game where scum claims a town pr? LIKE A COP? And goes onto live for several days. Its like scum 1-0-1 strat... yeesh get with the program.

[Benmage]

Oh yeah Magua... correct me if I'm wrong. In that cult game, where you were too busy chasing "the boogyman"...didn't you lynch town over CLAIMED SCUM... Yeah gj chief. Worried about me. I see the big picture. Take off the tunnel blinders, take a step back and try to get on my level.

[Benmage]

No final reads. tsk tsk.

Stupid Daykill gambit ... tsk tsk ...

Is there still time to lynch Zde?

[Benmage]

Pointless to do reads.. since I havent done anything today but skim.. since we have scum on lockdown.. +whoever dies tonight/flips... will make rereading today(tomorrow)(gamewise) so much more informed.

[Benmage]

So yeah can we just lynch already?

[Benmage]

Does it matter that they're unsent?

If scum try and be scummy with their choices... than the info will be revealed to us. (Hint hint They won't.)


----------------------[]

[Benmage]

myself, Tyene, Plum Momma, Magua, Reg, Benmage, MoS ... and maybe I could have my arm wrung to Minimum.

Sounds good.

I'd say Plum.

Uhmm... Yeah I also want to Hurt Sapo.

[Benmage]

I'm not a full alignment cop. I mean, I might as well claim already, since I'd probably be the lynch and this might not change it:
Wyman Manderly, Frey-cop. Regfan result should be obvious,

can out other results if needed.

WTF wouldn't you?

You're an outted cop now... You out the result the second you have it....

--I thought Reek(Theon) Killed the brothers.

Anyways The Fat Guy is town. Faraday gives fakeclaims on demand... the guy would claim a safeclaim. Plus Faraday is a douchebag who made the Frey's town. What a fucking bastard.

[Benmage]

You're an outted cop now... You out the result the second you have it....

No, see, these results may or may not actually help town.

As for the other thing - the boltons made it look like Theon killed the two brothers, but he actually killed two random peasant boys.

CLAIM IT ALL

[Benmage]

Frey finding sounds like a town role...

[Benmage]

Faraday puts those eddgy characters as town all the time.

I'm going off sketchy memory, but the Hound in one game and Tyrion I believe. And Littlefinger.. when Starks were scum I believe...

Manderly's farce never stops in book 5, even though he reveals it to Davos.

FARADAY provides safeclaims? Yes... So end of conversation.

[Benmage]

Now than Staegs slow claiming is driving me fucking nuts

Maybe we Should push Staeg through... allow him to get in a nother cop, and if he's lying we auto lynch D6.

[Benmage]

Yes, I want Plum too.

[Benmage]

Magua, Plum fits the bill on someone to Godhand.

Hard read. Could go either way. Not someone to be lynched soon. Awesome if D6 shes town.

[Benmage]

K, Molla is scum.

[Benmage]

There are no men like me. There's only me.

Hurt Sapo

[Benmage]

HURT: Sapo

[Benmage]

MOAR PLUM VOTES

[Benmage]

This pains me, my lord. You do not deserve to die alone on such a cold dark night. There are many like you, good men in service to bad causes.

Let it begin.

GODHAND Plum's Yo Mamma

[Benmage]

No MoI, not Danny. She wont be in this game.

Aegon and connington. Vs vary and the cheesemonger.

[Benmage]

Bbmolla should full claim, no?

Has anyone else gotten notes?

On my phone and blanking .... running out.

[Benmage]

vote Staeg

[Benmage]

*stretches* mmmm felt like that was going to be a mislynch.

I'll analyze some soon and go from there.

[Benmage]

*stretches* mmmm felt like that was going to be a mislynch.

I'll analyze some soon and go from there.

Then why'd you vote for him?

Reasons.

Why?

[Benmage]

*stretches* mmmm felt like that was going to be a mislynch.

I'll analyze some soon and go from there.

Then why'd you vote for him?

Reasons.

Why?

So, you voted for someone you believed was going to be a mislynch days before deadline when you didn't have to' and

you're wondering why I'm asking?

Yes. Why?

[Benmage]

Don't ask me why again. It's self explanatory why'd I'd like to know.

I'm obviously trying to make a determination of you.

Exactly. And it should've been made a long time ago.

So since you already have me read as town or scum. Insert whatever reasoning you want to help sway you in the manner you already believe.

[Benmage]

Lets hope for your case thats a real read. (Albeit terrible) And not just "

he won't answer my question the way I want herpderp" *takes ball and leaves*

[Benmage]

Actually sure. Why am I scum?

[Benmage]

Hey let me have my fun!

[Benmage]

Actually sure. Why am I scum?

OH! We're supposed to start voting for people we think are scum??? I wasn't aware of that. I thought we could just vote for anyone, even if we thought it was likely to be a mislynch, if we had ~reasons~. Glad you cleared that one up.

Your sarcasm is a good way to dodge of the question.

You have no reason to think I'm scum, but are mad I didn't answer the question the way you wanted and are still pouting... how cute.

And, no I didn't have a read on you either way, hence why I asked. If I had a town read on you, I probably wouldn't have even asked you about that. Well, maybe I would have but meh who knows.

Well iso the 90 pages of content. And go with that, than 1 questions...ZzzZZzZzz getbetr.

Yeah my scum games perfect. So you think I'd come out and say "I felt that would be a mislynch"...and not have a bangup reason?

Note this, if I was scum: I'm several steps ahead of you.


Is this back n forth benefiting the game?

[Benmage]

@Lyanna who is your top 3 scum reads?

[Benmage]

^Oh also if you could list your top 3 from yesterday (if its different)

Thank you.

[Benmage]

Enacting ignore Benmage as suggested now.

Hahahahah...if you think I'm going to answer questions from you Benmage when you refuse to answer a simple one from me.

I don't answer to others. Silly peasants should know that by now.

Ugh I thought you might be a bitch about this.

FINE.

Lets see. Staeg lynch? Well yeah I thought he was more likely town than scum. Pretty sure I hinted as much or atleast counterered some of the complaints against him. Namely the questioning of Manderly's alignment (which was retarded). Anyways. Like I said more town than scum... what does that mean? Was I 100% sure he was town... hellls no. Let say 60-40. 40% chance of flipping scum is still pretty solid. Especially since I haven't done recent analyzing, nor really wantedto/felt the need to. There were several prominent players against Staeg. I felt like his lynch proposal would've been a recurring theme. PoE was against him imo. And there was no strong alternative wagon. (Did answering this question do anything?)

Now, I would appreciate it if you answer my question.

[Benmage]

I still don't see why Shinori hasn't claimed all his results.

[Benmage]

Your Paragraph on reads pretty much sums up the answer to why I voted him. Which is why I questioned the questioning of my vote. There was a lot of "going through the motions" the past recent days. The obv bvoigt lynch. The duel, the godhand etc etc...but all that doesn't really mean people couldn't, or shouldn't have been pursuing scum reads.

And as I said.. there was no alternative wagon imo, and I felt Staegs lynch would've been a recurring theme.

Lots of analyzable information to go off of now.

Plus we have a godhand tomorrow which will be fun.

[Benmage]

vote bbmolla

[Benmage]

Magua, Scumhunter replaced Starbuck.... Try again.

[Benmage]

If I didn't have a town read on cow (which I forget why I did)... I'd likely have magua as scum.

Your whole *fuck benmage* reads fake.

[Benmage]

Benmage, I know with certainty Maguas *fuck Benmage* thing isn't fake. Also Scumhunter slot is probably scum, go re-read it and let me know your thoughts.

Well let Magua know he can be certain I am town.

As for SH... still town, sorry.

[Benmage]

I'll do this thread great justice soon. No need to rush today.

[Benmage]

@Benmage:

Still would like to know why Starbuck was obvtown to you. If it's for the self-choose, not buying that.

Well start buying it?

It isn't that He self-chose like MoI and I did... He did so in a defeatist manner, and early claimed vt.

[Benmage]

I know I've been promosing content... bare with me. Still want to look at vcs, and reread/iso as vcs are harder to pin in multi(but PoE should still be effective)

[Benmage]

prodded

[Benmage]

"Let me give you some counsel, bastard. Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you." – Tyrion Lannister to Jon Snow

<------ is a fan

[Benmage]

Anti- Prod

(So forreallz, I'll have time tonight/this weekend)

[Benmage]

MoS is being officially replaced?

[Benmage]

Oh nvm, AV replaced... nah I dont see that as a scum motivating move to benefit the slot??? Hellz no.

[Benmage]

Oh snap I'll lynch Feysal.

unvote vote Feysal

[Benmage]

Still like a Feysal lynch.

Blanking on my Jal(now thor) read... think I went back and forth... (need to read more obv)

[Benmage]

I think timeeater is town too.

[Benmage]

There are at least 2-3 scum on the Thor wagon

Guaranteed

Who?

[Benmage]

There are at least 2-3 scum on the Thor wagon

Guaranteed

Who?

Ben, stop copying me

to try to look town.

Also, are you in this game? I feel like you barely exist - what's your current take on...anything?

[Benmage]

I am sick, tired and frustrated with the game, and thoroughly disgusted by Plumamma.

Why aren't you replacing out then?

Replacements ruin games.

Why are you asking this question... and or making the comment?

[Benmage]

Why are you asking this question... and or making the comment?

I'm scumhunting - after he answers it I'll be willing to expand, but not before. This isn't rocket science, it is mafia.

Also asked you a question asking you to weigh in on anything. I suppose that technically this counts, but it leaves me sad, so I'll try to be more directed.

What are your reads on Minimum, Zdenek, and Feysal?

-Asking a player why he hasn't replaced out... scumhunting... and when he says the same response I just did... What have you ascertained?(As it'll probably be a few RL days before he posts again... and I'd wager a million hats he doesn't bother with your (imo) useless question when there's so much more to be concerned with.)

-Ah yes weighing in... sorry couldn't stop laughing at the initial pointless redunculous assertion. But uhmm we'll go with Slight town-N/A(forgetwhozedreplaced)-and scum... and once again mention I have much to read if I ever eventually get to it.

[Benmage]

-Asking a player why he hasn't replaced out... scumhunting... and when he says the same response I just did... What have you ascertained?(As it'll probably be a few RL days before he posts again... and I'd wager a million hats he doesn't bother with your (imo) useless question when there's so much more to be concerned with.)

-Ah yes weighing in... sorry couldn't stop laughing at the initial pointless redunculous assertion. But uhmm we'll go with Slight town-N/A(forgetwhozedreplaced)-and scum... and once again mention I have much to read if I ever eventually get to it.

1. If it's so meaningless to you, then simply accept my answer of not wanting to tell you my call till after I get his reaction. ::shrug::

Wosrt case you can call it scummily bad scumhunting

, best case I get a read, everything inbetween seems Jake for you in any case. If you think there's stuff I should be commenting on that I'm not - you're allowed to ask me about it instead of derp question answering.

Check.
-You don't have a read on Feysal? (all things considered-everything he's said thus.. asking why he hasn't replaced will suddenly manifest a read?? )

[Benmage]

What do you think of the wagon on me? Is it awesome and makes sense, as those voting say - or is it unsupported and derp as I say?

I'm fine with seeing you hang.

[Benmage]

Check.
-You don't have a read on Feysal? (all things considered-everything he's said thus.. asking why he hasn't replaced will suddenly manifest a read?? )

I've used that question as scumreads before - again, whether or not you think it's good is meaningless to me.
Yes, I have a read on Feysal, but reads can and do change, and even if they don't I like to give them a chance to be reinforced.

What's yout take on the Zdenek vs. Thor situation?

-What is your read?

-I haven't read your back n forth.

[Benmage]

What is your read on Feysal?

[Benmage]

Now your just being useless.. way to be protown(internetsarcasm). I'm being fairly useless yes. I've accepted this. There is a mountain of work to catch up. You clearly know your read, and would be alot easier for you to restate than for me to try and comb through and find it. Plus scumhunting 1-0-1 that I enjoy is getting people to repeat reads or rephrase/bullet the highlights. As reads being jumbled through several posts can be hard to piece together, and easier for scum to wiggle with.

And I've seen plenty of scum appear ego-stubborn

"Oh go back and read I've said it I've said it"

ZzzzZZZ

Like I said. I'm down to see you hang.

[Benmage]

Do not vig Regfan.

[Benmage]

MVP is probably Pandora? Who never seemed to drop the early town read. A number of the town did okay, and not just those who died. Looking at their suspects shows that...it's just they never managed to put it all together and got fierce unlucky with crosskills.

That definitely true. Had Pandora as town.

Magua was so bloody scum! Yeesh.

[Benmage]

Cause Faraday roots for them!