A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Eddard Stark]

The Dragon rode by Rhaenrya Targaryen was called Syrax.

Day 1, Votecount 7

MagnaofIllusion (1) - Shadow1psc
Mastermind of Sin (1) - sword_of_omens
Starbuck (4) - Dolorous Edd, Plum's Yo Mamma, Feysal, redFF
SnowStorm (2) - Plessiezarus, Regfan

Minimum (6) - MagnaofIllusion, Salamence20, Hasdgfas, Lyanna Stark, StefanB, Benmage

Petyr Baelish (1) - Mastermind of Sin
Benmage (1) - SnowStorm
Salamence20 (4) - pappums rat, Staeg, Minimum, BBmolla
Feysal (2) - Starbuck, Pandora
redFF (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (5):

Mockingjaye, Petyr Baelish, Hyperion, Bvoigt, Jal

With 28 alive it takes 15 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 3rd September at 11:59pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)
  
• Countdown to deadline
  : (expired on 2012-09-03 18:59:59)
  
• redFF is V/la until Friday.

CHOOSE RUM

MagnaofIllusion (3) - Minimum, sword_of_omens, MagnaofIllusion
Tyene Sand (1) - Feysal
Dolorous Edd (2) - Hasdgfas, Plum's Yo Mamma

Feysal (5) - Dolorous Edd, Salamence20, Tyene Sand, StefanB, BBmolla

Hasdgfas (1) - Shadow1psc
Petyr Baelish (1) - Mastermind of Sin
Minimum (2) - Pandora, Regfan
Starbuck (2) - Starbuck, Staeg
redFF (1) - Benmage

Not Choosing (10):

Lyanna Stark, Mockingjaye, Petyr Baelish, Hyperion, redFF, pappums rat, Bvoigt, Plessiezarus, SnowStorm, Jal

With 28 alive it takes 15 to 'Choose'.

Point out any mistakes that you see.

[Benmage]

Benmage: Not much to go for. His selfnominate is damm strange even more so than Moi, don't like his RVS.
Not much to go for, normall self I think.

Yes well Faraday is a douche.

I thought that Mina was an at last okay player. CES I don't know anythink about.

If they're town... Mina would probably overthink it and vig me... I'd be ok with town CES firing.

Im caught up huzzah.

[Staeg]

Re: flavor on the sending, it's only flavor. No matter who we send, they die and they get a 1-shot vig.

[Benmage]

Early Reads:
Town:
18) Benmage
2) Lyanna Stark (Tammy)
4) Dolorous Edd (Ser Arthur Dayne/bodean44)
6) Tyene Sand (Tierce)
9) MagnaofIllusion
12) hasdgfas
14) Regfan
20) Plessiezarus (Zar/Plessiez)
22) Pandora (Hydra)
24) Starbuck
25) BBmolla
26) SnowStorm
28) StefanB


Scum:
1)Minimum (Mina/CES)
10) Plum's Yo Mamma
11) redFF
13) Shadow1psc

Other:
5) Staeg
15) pappums rat
21) Feysal
23) Salamence20


Who??:
3) Mockingjaye
7) Petyr Baelish (zoraster)
8) Hyperion
16) Sword_of_Omens
17) Bvoigt
19) Mastermind of Sin
27) Jal

[SnowStorm]

So do you want to treat it like a policy lynch or a regular one?

VOTE: Benmage.

Was this an rvs votes??? Or is this another Faraday blunder?

It wasn't RVS. I found your post odd and nobody had said anything about it, which I also found odd. I figured that deserved a vote.

[hasdgfas]

guys, if you keep posting at this rate, don't expect loads from me. I'll do what I can though.

Regfan, how do you possibly see Edd as town here?

MoI would self-choose as scum or as town, so null there.(although he's scum because this is a ASOIAF game ) He seems town-ish via play, though.

AS FOR THE VIG

use it as a second lynch. Before this day is done everyone will state, if I was the vig I'd vig XXX. (this can happen near L-2)

Why is this a good idea?

[Benmage]

Milk as much reads and connections as possible out of it cow... plus might help direct the choosee if we choose town.

[hasdgfas]

Milk as much reads and connections as possible out of it cow... plus might help direct the choosee if we choose town.

reads i get, but we really shouldn't direct it it we choose town, and scum will just ignore the direction.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I was wondering why you have a scum read on Minimum? Obviously.

While on the subject – what is your read on Minimum and why is it that?

--

Aha, so molla's town.

Oh really? Do elaborate on why.

--

@MoI: I can't read CES so he's town till LYLO.
I'd rather get obvious scum than probable scum personally.

Well generally your inability to actually play the game isn’t a good reason to say “Screw this, I’ll just ignore this slot till LYLO”. Although I do appreciate the assumption you are making about being alive till then … which is not a Town perspective I might add.

Why is Sala obv-scum? Explain it to me.

[Benmage]

Milk as much reads and connections as possible out of it cow... plus might help direct the choosee if we choose town.

reads i get, but we really shouldn't direct it it we choose town, and scum will just ignore the direction.

Well we won't know till after the fact... but it wouldn't be full direction, just say if the person wanted to sheep someone specifically or a minor influence (like following who I'd vig)

[Dolorous Edd]

It fits with a scum who already knows there is another faction out there and carelessly said it as part of a discussion.

It also fits with Town drawing a pretty logical conclusion. Furthermore – Feysal is not careless regardless of alignment. Discuss how this impacts your read.

Everyone can slip though. If he already read that there are other factions out there, and he got it stuck in his head, he could've managed to forget that not everyone knew that, and mentioned it as part of a discussion.

Who cares why we did it... DO YOU think scum would ever self choose? No.... so walk away and ask questions that matter. (This looks like why isn't MoI being a dick to everyone questioning him herdy her)

Of course scum can self-choose. Just because they're voting themselves doesn't mean they will be picked or anything.

[BBmolla]

Well generally your inability to actually play the game isn’t a good reason to say “Screw this, I’ll just ignore this slot till LYLO”. Although I do appreciate the assumption you are making about being alive till then … which is not a Town perspective I might add.

Why is Sala obv-scum? Explain it to me.

Because I'd definitely want to keep CES alive as scum.

ISO him.

[Dolorous Edd]

Early Reads:
Town:
18) Benmage
2) Lyanna Stark (Tammy)
4) Dolorous Edd (Ser Arthur Dayne/bodean44)
6) Tyene Sand (Tierce)
9) MagnaofIllusion

12) hasdgfas

14) Regfan

20) Plessiezarus (Zar/Plessiez)

22) Pandora (Hydra)

24) Starbuck

25) BBmolla

26) SnowStorm

28) StefanB


Scum:
1)Minimum (Mina/CES)

10) Plum's Yo Mamma

11) redFF

13) Shadow1psc

Other:
5) Staeg
15) pappums rat
21) Feysal
23) Salamence20


Who??:
3) Mockingjaye
7) Petyr Baelish (zoraster)
8) Hyperion
16) Sword_of_Omens
17) Bvoigt
19) Mastermind of Sin
27) Jal

Please elaborate on the underlined.

Also, what is the "other" category.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Everyone can slip though.

If he already read that there are other factions out there

, and he got it stuck in his head, he could've managed to forget that not everyone knew that, and mentioned it as part of a discussion.

Well that's pretty stupid logic on your part in calling it a scum-tell given it is fully Null (Town can easily assume Multiball given the size of the game and Mod history).

Let's talk about the bolded though - why would you assume Feysal scum in Multiball would have read about other scum? No Eddard Stark game so far that I have played in that was Multiball has specifically mentioned it in the role PM. Your scum read is based on facts that Town shouldn't be considering. Did you just slip and indicate that your scum PM tells you it is Multiball? Jumping on others who mention Multiball when you are scum yourself is a scum-tell I have seen prove effective in the past [most recently WrathChild in Star Wars Mafia].

[Dolorous Edd]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Salamence20VOTE:

Do you have anything to contribute that might be remotely useful?

[Dolorous Edd]

Fail,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Salamence20

[Dolorous Edd]

Let's talk about the bolded though - why would you assume Feysal scum in Multiball would have read about other scum? No Eddard Stark game so far that I have played in that was Multiball has specifically mentioned it in the role PM. Your scum read is based on facts that Town shouldn't be considering. Did you just slip and indicate that your scum PM tells you it is Multiball? Jumping on others who mention Multiball when you are scum yourself is a scum-tell I have seen prove effective in the past [most recently WrathChild in Star Wars Mafia].

Wut?

I'm saying it's possible that in the scum PM it mentions other factions, esp flavor wise (ex, You are Dany, you wanna kill the Lannisters, but don't forget about your other threat Stannis too).

[Salamence20]

Sorry guys, I have been quite busy as a replacement in another thread.

I will get a post in by tonight.

[Staeg]

Re: townread on bbm, I'll elaborate if it's needed further down the line, but it's mostly gut.

[StefanB]

Ed: That is not how mods word scumrolePMs. Trust me on this.

Sal: Keep this promise, I don't think it is only my patience that is not so big anylonger.

[Staeg]

Stefan, it's a theme game. I wouldn't put it beyond faradaynexus(anyoneelse) to word the role PMs in such a fashion. Alternatively, the scumteam could have a small size that indicates multiball, or even some PR that would only ever make sense in multiball (like a scum sane cop).

[pappums rat]

Holy shit this game exploded like a motherfucker. I will try to get caught up later and post my thoughts.

[StefanB]

The second one, is somethink that is very well posible.

The cop not thought about it.

But we will learn it after night 1 probably.

[Benmage]

Let's talk about the bolded though - why would you assume Feysal scum in Multiball would have read about other scum? No Eddard Stark game so far that I have played in that was Multiball has specifically mentioned it in the role PM. Your scum read is based on facts that Town shouldn't be considering. Did you just slip and indicate that your scum PM tells you it is Multiball? Jumping on others who mention Multiball when you are scum yourself is a scum-tell I have seen prove effective in the past [most recently WrathChild in Star Wars Mafia].

Wut?

I'm saying it's possible that in the scum PM it mentions other factions, esp flavor wise (ex, You are Dany, you wanna kill the Lannisters, but don't forget about your other threat Stannis too).

OR simply I am a sfum team of 3 there must be another team.... Something like that would make more sense.

[Feysal]

See, this is my problem. I'd expect you to mention this on the

previous

post, not now as an afterthought of something you're just

assuming

. From other people I might have taken it in stride because there

are

plenty of factors pointing to multiball, but from

you

, Mr. Paranoid Waller Of Everything Explained To The Last Inch? You glossed over your best case scenario-build-possibility in a manner that rubs me the wrong way.

Tierce.

Really.

Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.

Does anyone remember the last time I was accused of having inside information? Remember how well that turned out?

Explain to me Tierce, how do you find me suspicious for a behavior I have only ever displayed as town, and which scum used to push for my mislynch? When I have never displayed said behavior as scum? In particular in Chrono Trigger, the only multiball game I was ever scum in, I never so much as speculated on how many teams there were, and instead sought to reinforce town misconceptions? You are known for doing meta research on players, and I would expect better from you. The LynchMePls incident came up recently

in a game you were in

. You were in Chrono Trigger and

witnessed my behavior there first hand

.

If you want to subvert my meta, you will have to try harder than this.

Oh, and by the way -

It's a true statement, and I find it odd that you of all people would take issue with it--town

does

vote/lynch worse than random in most situations.

There is no truth to that statement whatsoever. The only way towns ever win games is because they vote and lynch better than random, despite scum input.

Anyway, I did not mention why I believe this game to be multiball because it was in no way relevant to the point I was making about Starbuck.

I don't understand how everyone is so sure that scum would shoot another scum. It's being said like it is fact and that it will definitely happen that way. I don't believe it will, so while my opinion on it is unpopular (look at all the people who have hopped on my bandwagon to prove that point), I don't believe that it is wrong or scummy.

This post has already been torn to shreds by others, but it serves to highlight how Starbuck does not seem to be reading the same game we are. I cannot trace her thoughts at all, and I don't understand how anyone could have a town read on her. One particularly bad post of hers is this:

I know we can gain info from the Choose votes, but I still question those who immediately Chose someone because, again, it should not fall into the hands of the scum.

I read this as pointless fearmongering - as if our Choice being locked early would be any more likely than a speedlynch. Sure, I claimed not to be sold by it when this scumtell came up in Chrono Trigger, but why would I when it was committed by one of my partners?

Currently on page 6, will post again after catching up on the rest.