Micro 22 -- Less Pressure -- Game Over

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/confirm

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vote empking

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How is fudu's vote lacking any more than anyone else's?

Hell, you could vote me under the same reasoning. Or are you afraid a 3rd vote will look scummy?

unvote, vote rachmarie

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If someone quickhammered as scum, id vengekill them and we would only need to lynch one more scum for game over.

How was fudu's vote lacking any more than anyone else's?

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I see. Town don't get the vengekill. Well, it would help with tomorrow's lynch at least. Still, not likely anyway. Just found it funny that rach noted the two votes on me and chose to vote fudu without acknowledging the votes on me in her post.

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Rach, this isn't a newbie game. Still, you're town.

unvote, vote CF Riot

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CF, any thoughts?

Zab, early in the game is the best time to establish reads. everyone has their Role PM fresh in their mind.

Demon, why is Rach scum?

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CF, I want to know his reasoning behind it. Maybe he sees something I don't.

Batt, I took vengekill as a mechanic in the game not unique to each role. I didn't think it would be in the PMs.

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Yeah, that was what I thought. 3 scum, 2 need to be lynched.

CF, do you have any reads?

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Meh. I always try hard early lol.

Demon, are we going to get reasons for any of your reads?

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Zab, I usually don't do the RQS thing but if a game is moving slowly early on like this, it can't hurt.

Zab, wasn't fudu town in that jester game? I believe he started slow there too.

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Oh yeah. If rach's meta is right, she actually has a decent point then.

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Interesting that she chose to mention you were doc if all town was as well.

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Demon, nah. I'm leaning town on zab. CF is a better vote.

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CF, I don't understand why she specified like "oh not only was he town but he was DOC" like he was some important power role. In that setup, not the case.

Reason for voting is mostly process of elimination. Empking is playing to his town meta. Zab looks town. One of rach/fudu is town. Obviously I'm wrong somewhere, but id rather stick with voting someone who I don't have a town read on than try to figure out someone who I'm already wrong on without flips to help me.

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Batt, emp is ridiculously literal and straightforward to the point where he almost comes off sarcastic as town. As scum he just lurks like hell. I will admit though, I don't think I've played with him since the days when he had no avatar and posted nothing but one liners.

Demon, my slight town read on zab comes from the game I just played with him where he was town. He seems to be posting similarly, however its early so I don't take a whole lot from that.

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I took vengekill as a mechanic in the game not unique to each role. I didn't think it would be in the PMs.

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Demon, i opened my PM, saw my role, and went to the game thread. I've gotten so many role PMs that I don't carefully read every single word every single time.

Batt, posts 46, 70, 81, and 84 and classic town Empking.

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Zab, I'm not sure if it's outdated. I just know it's old.

So scum should be CF Riot. One of rach/fudu. And that means I'm wrong on either empking or zab.

Hmm.

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Can anyone read CF's ISO and make a town case for him? I sure as hell can't.

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CF, fudu is reminding me of his scum play in a game that finished not to long ago. I also feel that Rach may have misrepped Fudu's meta in that doc game. They both look scummy, but not together. Rach's exchange with me looked town though, so I lean Fuduscum and Rachtown.

Qucik CF ISO so people see where I am coming from:
0- confrim. null (obv)
1- fluff
2/3- asking me why I question a confirmed town player. No vote though.
4- fluff
5- basically tells us his only reads are weak and/or forced.
6- explains why no vote. null
7- fluff
8 -probably his only post with any real strong content. goes after zab then after me.
9. laughs off the only vote on him
10 - soft apology (maybe wrong word but still) to the confirmed town
11- fluff
12 - fluff
13 -asks about my rach/fudu read then restates his suspicions asking Fudu for his thoughts on them

So half his posts are fluff. His biggest scum read appears to be a combination of OMGUS and disliking my minor point against someone I'm not convinced is scum. I'm just not impressed. Also, if Fudu/Rach aren't scum together which I strongly believe, there is only room for one more town from my point of view other than the innoncent children (at most) and I have town reads on both Zab and Empking (although the one on Emp is stronger).

I think we are looking at CF/Fudu/Zab. And this makes sense looking at interactions. CF has Zab as a second suspect, but chooses to press on me. CF called Fudu town. Fudu and Zab exchanged playful joke votes and Zab has voted Empking since. It just all makes sense to me.

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Yes

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Actually.

Looking at Empking's point.

There are five town aligned players in this game.

It's five to lynch.

The innocent children should eventually agree on a lynch together. If the five townies aren't voting together, scum is on the lynching wagon. Which means they bus (why?) or get a town lynch if just one townie doesn't vote on the lynch.

I actually think we should eventually play follow the innocent children. That forces scum to either follow or look bad for not doing so and removes some of their voting power.

We are given two confirmed town players. May as well put them to some good use.

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You guys missed the point. If all of the town players aren't agreeing unanimously, scum have to help us lynch. If they are helping us lynch, and they don't bus, we'll always lynch town.

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Fudu, cf, and emp are now all voting zab. From the point of view of the town players within the group of zab, rach, and myself, that means zab should be town and there is scum voting him. Exception is the possibility of bussing in which case there is still scum voting him. Meh, maybe I've been wrong about empking this whole time because zab is very likely town now. Either way, the two innocent children and zab are voting together. Those odds are pretty good.

unvote, vote empking

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Technically vla until Friday or Saturday, but this game is slow enough that it probably won't be affected.

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vote CF Riot

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CF is just my top suspect from yesterday. Empking didn't really give us anything to analyze in his ISO because he tunneled on me and then voted zab out of desperation (zab is already likely town). He did call CF and Fudu town but knowing emp I'm not reading too much into that. All I can take out of the last vote count is more of the same. CF and Fudu didn't vote emp and rach jumped on at a point that a buddy could theoretically bus because the lynch was almost a sure thing. So CF and Fudu are my guess with Rach being my next guess if I'm wrong. So yeah, my reads don't really change with emp's flip.

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Unless you think rach and I are the two remaining scum, then yes, at least one scum was on the counterwagon. I don't think we can go wrong lynching CF and/or fudu.

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Demon and zab. If we lynch fudu and he flips town, who is tomorrows lynch?

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unvote, vote fudu

Because demon is voting him. And zab, who I strongly believe to be town, is also voting him.

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Fudu, you are saying both of empkings buddies bussed him? Why?

And the only people he called scum were his buddies?

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Post.

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Meh. I posted like 10 posts ago and nothing important has been said since then but I got a prod. Pretty much waiting for one of a few things. A hammer, a shift to a CF wagon, or a reason why one of those things shouldn't happen.

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Yeah, if fudu was town, I think he would have already been lynched. I'm really strongly thinking it's fudu/cf.

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Demon, can we lynch CF?

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Throw me in that same hat eating ring.

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I'm pretty convinced we'd lose in that case. I think it's Fudu/CF. I'd be willing to do CF then me though.

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Why is that so unreasonable? At the very least, especially from my own POV (I know I'm town etc), only the hammer (rach) is scum which means there is scum off the wagon (fudu, cf). Why are you so sure both scum bussed? Occams razor...

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I think it's either you/fudu or you/rach.

Basically, I know demon and myself to be town. I've basically considered zab all but confirmed town. That only leaves the three of you. Rach/fudu doesn't make sense. That leaves two possible pairs, both including you.

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Fudu, cf, and emp are now all voting zab. From the point of view of the town players within the group of zab, rach, and myself, that means zab should be town and there is scum voting him. Exception is the possibility of bussing in which case there is still scum voting him

CF, fudu is reminding me of his scum play in a game that finished not to long ago. I also feel that Rach may have misrepped Fudu's meta in that doc game. They both look scummy, but not together. Rach's exchange with me looked town though, so I lean Fuduscum and Rachtown.

Qucik CF ISO so people see where I am coming from:
0- confrim. null (obv)
1- fluff
2/3- asking me why I question a confirmed town player. No vote though.
4- fluff
5- basically tells us his only reads are weak and/or forced.
6- explains why no vote. null
7- fluff
8 -probably his only post with any real strong content. goes after zab then after me.
9. laughs off the only vote on him
10 - soft apology (maybe wrong word but still) to the confirmed town
11- fluff
12 - fluff
13 -asks about my rach/fudu read then restates his suspicions asking Fudu for his thoughts on them

So half his posts are fluff. His biggest scum read appears to be a combination of OMGUS and disliking my minor point against someone I'm not convinced is scum. I'm just not impressed. Also, if Fudu/Rach aren't scum together which I strongly believe, there is only room for one more town from my point of view other than the innoncent children (at most) and I have town reads on both Zab and Empking (although the one on Emp is stronger).

I think we are looking at CF/Fudu/Zab. And this makes sense looking at interactions. CF has Zab as a second suspect, but chooses to press on me. CF called Fudu town. Fudu and Zab exchanged playful joke votes and Zab has voted Empking since. It just all makes sense to me.

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Just realized that ccf having his vote parked on rach would be a likely loss for a cf/rach team keeping in mind that if zab and I switched over real quick, she'd be the second scum lynched in that scenario. That means as long as zab is town, fudu/cf is literally the only pair that makes any sense at all from my pov.

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Yeah...

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Obviously no votes yet.

I like a cf lynch. Thinking rach as second choice.

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I'm ok with a Rach lynch considering I'm pretty sure it's CF/Rach. I really don't think Zab is scum.

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Are we sure enough to risk a possible CF/Zab quickhammer? I'll do it if you say yes. We are both online.

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Vote Rach

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Gotta admit, I'm gonna be very anxious opening the thread if I see CF Riot as last post lol. He and Zab can both confirm non-Rach buddy now though if they don't hammer.

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EBWOP: They can confirm non-scum unless Rach is buddy.

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Or not...

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Unvote

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Zab, what are your thoughts on a CF/Rach team?

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^Same here. Shouldn't really make any difference, but I'm slightly more comfortable lynching CF.

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Hell, maybe Rach is the better lynch though just in case considering you (Zab) are the only other possible scum from my PoV and you prefer CF. And from Demon's PoV, we both prefer CF, so unless you and I are scum together (we both know we aren't), lynching Rach should be a guaranteed win unless the CF preference is an attempt to inject WIFOM.

I'm actually good with a Rach lynch happening right now if Demon agrees.

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*Sigh*

CF, look at Page 1 of any game I've played since... 2009, maybe? I always look for the first thing that stands out and test the person who I decide to vote for reactions. I make my decision after I see how they respond to me. That's what I was doing with Rach. And the fact that she hadn't said anything about the wagon was kind of an attempt to get inside her head to see if she'd panic. When people panic, that is when they are the most telling. I chose to focus on the wagon because because there was no way she didn't notice it. Her reaction to my pressure looked town to me which is where the town read came from. I spent Day 1 trying to determine whether that reaction was a stronger tell than the meta misrep on Fudu, which I see you've mentioned next. So on that. Basically, if I remember correctly, she was trying to make that game look like his power role meta. However, in that game, doc was basically the same as VT in any other game. It's like taking one of those games where everyone has a daykill (what's that called again?) and saying that the way a person played there shows how they play as a dayvig. It just doesn't work that way. On the town reads, you should notice if you had my ISO up in front of you that I clearly said something to the effect of "I think I'm wrong on one of Emp/zab". So yeah, all you've really done is describe my play and add words like "bus" where you just mean "vote" and put "supposedly" in front of things.

Vote Rach

I don't see where we can go wrong with that lynch. The only way it loses the game from my PoV is with a Zab/CF team. Zab has made it clear he wants CF dead today, so I don't think that's the case.

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*sigh*

I still have a feeling zab is town for some reason, but I can't make a good argument against your (demon) X chart and CF makes a good point that no one makes sense as his buddy, so it almost has to be zab/rach. I still can't shake the feeling of cf/rach, but whatever. Let's do it.

unvote, vote zab

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But if it's zab/rach, why would zab have made that last vote?

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Maybe. I guess we'll see.

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Rach's post at the beginning of the day could go either way. You have a point on that section of cf's ISO though.

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Well that game was interesting lol.

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Reading the scum QT, emp and zab played the end of Day 1 in a way that fooled me perfectly. You were mostly a victim of my misreading emp and zab. And even rach at the beginning of day 1. So yeah, basically the scum had me fooled and process of elimination told me the town was scum and I had to rethink someone. I probably should have rethought everyone.