Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

[Fujiko]

So you think piggy is town now? Who jumped on her wagon for scummy reasons? Who avoided the wagon for scummy reasons?

Yeah, I know y'all won't tell me. (And even if you did, I shouldn't believe the answer.)

A few random thoughts on the wagon, and various comments around it:

Telo's vote is kind of scummy, because it seems to be in reaction to Tammy's comment about her, not about Piggy. While Tammy's comment about a mislynch doesn't thrill me, I don't think it's scummy - I've seen town and scum both with that attitude.

Amrun's vote - the switch from Sucrose rings town to me. I like that she wants to get something happening. However, I don't like her rationale. I feel like going out of your way to not have a stance is something a newish player can do under pressure - look at me, for instance.

Sucrose's not-vote - I would have liked to see an explanation of what she found scummy. I'm not sure what she picked out from the ubernoob that looked scummy to her. Maybe she was looking to jump on later?

camn's not-vote-defense of Eidolon's pointfelt very honest to me. I liked that she conceded points in the analysis, and explained why she felt how she did.

RachMarie jumping on Telo due to Piggy - I don't like this at all. Rach asserts that Telo is defending Piggy, and then gives examples of her saying nothing about Piggy. I don't understand how this is defense. This is after being questioned by Tammy about this point, even.

(As an aside, I like the analysis Huntress does here - I now at least see why the Seastorm wagon came about.)

I don't have much more time for now, but from this -
VOTE: RachMarie
I'm not convinced she's scum by any stretch, but I'd be interested in hearing more from her.

[Amrun]

I'm not convinced she's scum by any stretch, but I'd be interested in hearing more from her.

why would you ever say this when voting

[Katty Bard]

Katty. I don't know what you mean by defending Piggy so I don't really know how to answer that. Can you please point out what you think of as my defense of her? Not only is she one of my scum reads, but I'm voting her so I don't know what you mean by defending her.

Here. If you think she is scum, what's wrong with the wagon?

I know you said the piggy vote was wagon-y but honestly I didn't get the dayvig joke that cleared her in everyone else's eyes. I'd be really appreciative if you could explain it.

I'm not quite there yet, so this is really more of a note to myself to address this when I am.
The vote, however, is wagon-y regardless of piggy's alignment.

Answer my other question please.

[Telo]

Here. If you think she is scum, what's wrong with the wagon?

Yeah, no. I'm still not seeing any defense of piggy. I'm also not seeing anywhere that I say there's anything wrong with the wagon. What I said was that it raised a blip on my radar.

Not sure how you fabricated a defense out of that or how you stretch that out to mean that I find anything wrong with the wagon.
Blip =/= wrong

I'll let you finish reading. Hopefully by the time you finish your second question will be rhetorical.

[RedCoyote]

Vote Count 1 - 11

• Telo

  (4) (RachMarie - DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15 - Brandi)
  
  
  Fujiko
  (3) (Eidolon - camn - Bunnylover)
  
  
  PiggyGal15
  (2) (Seastormjt - Telo)
  
  
  Brandi
  (2) (springlullaby - Sucrose)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (2) (Huntress - Amrun)
  
  
  camn
  (1) (flinter)
  
  
  Huntress
  (1) (Tammy)
  
  
  DrippingGoofball
  (1) (CityElectric)
  
  
  RachMarie
  (1) (Fujiko)
  
  
  Seastormjt
  (0) (

  Katty Bard

  -

  Brandi

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (

  Sucrose

  -

  Fujiko

  - Katty Bard)

With eighteen alive, it takes ten to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2012-10-11 12:10:00)

[springlullaby]

In other news, Telo just got picked up by my scumdar. VOTE: Telo (specifically for 238... Telo, do you know something we do not?)
P-edit: DGB!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP NINJA'ING ME!!! It makes me sad.

What is the meaning of this vote? Do you think Telo is scum? If yes, why? If no, why are you voting for her?

@CityElectric, your vote is still on DGB, do you still think she is scum?


I think Brandi is scum.
a)I don't actually think the argument over the RVS was in anyway indicative of alignment, but I think the way she slipped into empty arguing without commenting on anything else reeks of scum caught for what they think are wrong reasons and who take a pointless argument as an excuse to post without actually saying anything.
b) In this game Brandi has popped in thread only to argue about the RVS whereas ignoring everything else: checking her posting history, she posted actual content in other games, where here was a load of nothing and excuses about not having time.
c) The culminating point of the argument with me was for me to 'shut up' because she was right and I'm stupid, followed by apologies. Obviously if for her she is right and I'm wrong but I'm not stupid, I must being wrong on purpose, which would mean that I'm scum. If I'm scum, why apologize or ask me to shut up?
->I never ever seen town apologizing for thinking that someone is stupid.
I think I totally walked into what she thought were little white lies that she could get away with, but when I didn't give up, her reaction was asking me to shut up.
d) I would have cut her more slack if she did show some effort with analysing the game, but upon her re-entry all she offers is a wagonny, follower-ish vote on a wagon with mild traction - in style with her two previous vote.

Other than that, camn's vote on CE feels right to me in how aggressive it is. Tammy is starting to get meh for constant white knighting and asking questions without much follow-up. I don't get the vote on RachMarie as she looks best out of the low content bunch. Which reminds me of BunnyLover who needs to die sooner rather than later. I understand the Telo's vote but I think the wagon is meh as I don't understand half what she is saying. I agree Fujiko sounds very smooth and safe and I don't understand her vote on RachMarie who looks totally out of nowhere, but then they are town moments when reading her and at least her cas on RachMarie is a case. KattyBard is non impressive right now.

Right now I'd be happy to lynch Brandi, Bunnylover, Flinter, CityElectric. And Telo, Piggy for second choice.

[Brandi]

I told you I was on my period and that's why I told you you were dumb. Don't like that excuse? :shrug: oh well, your personal problem.

[Brandi]

Spring-lullaby could actually be scum, trying to take advantage of me while I'm on my period.
I don't think she actually believes what she's saying. Hmmm.

[Brandi]

Such as: She has been tunneling on me all game for no logical reason what-soever- and has been coasting, only posting to talk about me, and not giving any real opinions elsewhere.
Scum have done this to me before.

[springlullaby]

Spring-lullaby could actually be scum, trying to take advantage of me while I'm on my period.

Oh my god. Die scum die.

[Brandi]

lol
nice flailing

[Brandi]

But no seriously:
Look at the above #330:

She questions Piggy (conf. town's) vote on Telo-
then goes and lists TELO AS POTENTIAL SCUM.

SpringLullably is scum with Telo- guarantee it.

[springlullaby]

Such as: She has been tunneling on me all game for no logical reason what-soever- and has been coasting, only posting to talk about me, and not giving any real opinions elsewhere.
Scum have done this to me before.

I gave plenty of reads. Contrarily to you.
Nice to see that you are using the reflect the any points made scum tactic.

lol
nice flailing

I don't believe anyone town would use words with such inexactitude.

[Brandi]

The fact that Spring has Piggy listed as a scum read shows she hasn't been reading this game- which makes it all the more obv she's scum.
Awesome.

[Brandi]

Such as: She has been tunneling on me all game for no logical reason what-soever- and has been coasting, only posting to talk about me, and not giving any real opinions elsewhere.
Scum have done this to me before.

I gave plenty of reads. Contrarily to you.
Nice to see that you are using the reflect the any points made scum tactic.

lol
nice flailing

I don't believe anyone town would use words with such inexactitude.

Keep diggin your hole, scum. We'll deal with you after we deal with your buddy Telo.

[springlullaby]

But no seriously:
Look at the above #330:

She questions Piggy (conf. town's) vote on Telo-
then goes and lists TELO AS POTENTIAL SCUM.

SpringLullably is scum with Telo- guarantee it.

How do you know Piggy is town?
Where were you during the whole Piggy debacle?
Oh yeah, with a dead vote on seastorm.

You make no sense whatsoever, you can't be town.

[Brandi]

Fallacy and hypocrisy.
You weren't there either.
I was away at a friends, which I stated I would be gone. I guess you managed to not read that either?
I don't have to be there to read through it and understand that Piggy is obv town.

[springlullaby]

The fact that Spring has Piggy listed as a scum read shows she hasn't been reading this game- which makes it all the more obv she's scum.
Awesome.

Piggy and Telo are to me exactly what I said they were. Derp and more derp.

[Brandi]

Oh, and "making sense" ?
only scum care about that sort of thing. You have to learn to read between the lines- but I guess you wouldn't know that since you're scum, lol?

[Brandi]

and so Derp = scum?
LOL ok

[springlullaby]

Fallacy and hypocrisy.
You weren't there either.
I was away at a friends, which I stated I would be gone. I guess you managed to not read that either?
I don't have to be there to read through it and understand that Piggy is obv town.

I stated my reads clearly, contrarily to you.
Just because you use words does not make them true.
Yes I read that you were away, but you still managed to post in other games with actual content as I pointed out on this page.
Please ignoring points, maybe they'll go away.

I don't think Piggy is obtown at all. But you flipping scum would definitively make her town.

[Brandi]

And me flipping town wouldn't make her scum. What was the point of saying that?
You trying to set something up in the off chance you manage to mislynch me?
Geez you couldn't be more obvious.

[Brandi]

I managed to post in other games?
On a fucking shitty cellphone- in a game that is in essentially LYLO and loads more important this one.

[Brandi]

and the next morning my boyfriend literally took my phone away from me so I couldn't worry about mafia games anymore before I got home.
I literally did not have time to check a game that is in D1 with nothing important going on and in such a massive size as this.
So no- I didn't touch this game at all. It wasn't feasibly and I'll be damned if I'll let scum use that as an excuse to misrep me.

[Brandi]

I keep seeing Telo browsing this forum but I guess she has nothing to comment on here?
Don't want to get in the middle of something like this Telo?
Hellooooooooo?
Do scum have daytalk or something?