Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

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/firm!

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VOTE: DrippingGoofBall
Your screen name makes me think of boogers

OMG! So it's not just me?!

FOS: CityElectric, Brandi, Telo, Amrun, Huntress, Tammy and camn

for all confirming before me, very scummy thing to do.

VOTE: PiggyGal15
Because I'm always the Day 1 mislynch when I'm town May as well get it over with...

Spoiler: *sigh*

DUCK! Haha, get it?

Pokemon reference...

Sigh... duck... Psyduck... yeah...? Funny?

Thanks camn, but this one here is scum.

A bunch of FOSs, and a self-vote?

And then the scum laments that they always get lynched day 1. I smell a fear of "disappointing the team" from the get-go.

Obviously, from the FOS list, her partners are at least CityElectric and Huntress.

VOTE: PiggyGal15

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Oh and the joke in the spoiler is trying to distract us from her accidental scumfession with aquatic birds.

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The "joke" is like a nervous tic "heeheehee" when our cheeks are flushed pink from having just lied.

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Darn it, Goofball caught on... sorry guys, guess we've already lost this one.

And the fake-fake "oh you caught me!" "oh krap, you really did" - seals the deal.

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Don't worry, we'll catch them in their introductory post, whatever and whenever that is.

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Well, I hope scum can be active

Just name your partners. From the above comment, I suspect they've all posted already.

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Sucrose votes are crap. Sucrose should be voting Piggy, but Sucrose is town.

Brandi is awesome and thank god she's not scum.

Seastorm's post is too dingaling to be a mastermind scum post.

MathGirls is clean.

Camn is sketch. Well more than sketch. Maybe even scum.

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Also, DGB, you seem very confident in your reads for such an early stage and you aren't providing much reasoning for them. What is so skecthy about camn? Voting without a reasoning? What is so bad about that...? IT get's pressure going and gets people thinking. What about Seastorms posts are too dingaling for scum?

I reside in camn's brain. I'm picking up hinky vibes. It's meta.

The dingaling business is that I think the post was too careless and not-self-conscious for scum.

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I think most of them are just bussing. But everyone busses on day 1 so it's not really a scumtell for me. Will be useful information for a later day though It's kind of me fishing for reactions, but at the same time it's not... that sounds confusing, but if I live till Day 2 or 3 it'll make sense.

WUT

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Sucrose's #121 re: camn & DGB is correct. It's the sort of ribbing I expect.

Now, Piggy is n00bscum, please stop making excuses.

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And Telo is scum.

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And Telo is scum.

A definitive statement like that should be backed by action or it rings hollow.

RL excuses scumtell.

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Telo's #144 = still scum. Judging by the bottom of the post, Telo is on Piggy's team.

Lynna and Tammy are town.

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hey, Lyanna Stark isn't on the player list?

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Madonnas

DrippingGoofball
Sucrose
Brandi
Seastormjt
MathGirl277
Tammy

Witches

RachMarie
Amrun
springlullaby
flinter
Fujiko
CityElectric
Eidolon
Bunnylover
Huntress

Hos

PiggyGal15
camn
Telo

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As soon as I have a strong scum read I'll be placing my vote there and it will very likely stay there until the end of the day.
So far who I'm leaning towards and why.

Piggy

for reasons I've already stated and don't need to repeat.

Spring

- post 90 just seems pushy and mean. I know pushing is part of the game but that post seems strategic.

DGB

because I really hate the term Hos. Usually people use that type of term to make themselves look better by putting others down.

Bunnylover

for hanging back the most

MathGirl

because I hate it when people put tiny font in their post. I can see that it's there but I can't see what it says and it makes me feel like they're doing it on purpose to hide something but then be able to claim that they weren't hiding it.

My strongest town read is

Tammy

but I've already said that.
After that in no real order

RachMarie

-yes yes, I know my vote is on her but I already explained that was rvs. I'll move it when I decide where to place it.

Fujiko

- mainly because she says things that I'm thinking to the point that I don't feel that I need to say them too or it'll look like I'm sheeping. I'm not. I just find her townish

Amrun

- willing to ask a question, get an answer and then move on. So far doesn't seem to get hung up on stuff.

SCUM DETECTED

Can you guess why?

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This is pretty much a prod dodge as everyone is reading town/null to me right now :/

BACON DETECTED

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Calling out personality quirks as scum characteristics?

+10

Tiny fonts? Being pushy?

That's the fakest bit of "taking a stand" imaginable.

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On the other hand, I'm leery of D1 ubern00b-easy-target.

I'd rather she be lynched than vig'ed. There are reasons.

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Goof.. what has happened to the game we love?

Don't worry sweet stuff, I got this thing.

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@ DrippingGoofball: How are RL excuses a scumtell?

RL excuses is beating the critics to the punch with a pity party The player betrays a lack of confidence in their current and future performance. They come up with unverifiable excuses and sad stories about having no keyboard and whatnot to shield themselves from scrutiny.

It's a scum move alright.

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Dayvig: Piggy

This dayvig doesn't end the day and we still have a lynch.

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You can tell us your alignment before the mod comes.

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Aww shucks I get a kick when players fall for the old over-used dayvig gambit. I thought everyone was immune to it. I guessed wrong!

Gonna cut BaconGirl15 some slack now.

VOTE: Telo

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I wondered in the shower last night why the Piggy wagon moved so slowly. Because if she were scum, she'd be bus'ed like mad, and the wagon would have progressed a lot faster. It bugged me. I saw more white-knighting than bus'ing, which is what I'd expect if she were town.

Hence there is scum among those that jumped on their white horses when it looked like the wagon was gaining traction.

I'm off to play badminton. If someone can look up the white knights in the mean time, that'd be great. If not I'll get to it tomorrow AM.

BUT AREN'T YOU CURIOUS???

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Piggy is confirmed town BTW.

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Piggy, be an angel and vote Telo.

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Dayvig: Piggy

This dayvig doesn't end the day and we still have a lynch.

@DGB: You do realize that all the possible roles are in the OP and none of them makes a mention of a dayvig? So, unless there's some rule I'm not aware of, this is fake.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

This could be nervous noob-scum looking up the role list if Piggy is her buddy... but since Piggy is coming up clean, that's just a noob reaction.

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Why do you think Sucrose is scum???

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I don't get the Sucrose wagon. Can someone make a case?

Otherwise, the wagon emanates Greyhound fumes.

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To the noobs: Greyhound fumes means I think Sucrose might be scum that's being bus'ed, because from a townie perspective I don't see Sucrose as scummy.

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Eidolon is town.

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Looking at isos, I'm more uneasy with Fujiko than with Sucrose, who seems fine to me.

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@DGB what exactly were you trying for with the fake dayvig stuffs?

What, fake dayvigs are supposed to come with road maps, contingency plans and predictions, now?

And, of course I could do it as scum. Piggy, on the other hand, is pretty much cleared.

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oh yeah he was scum wasn't he? But he did not fake dayvig he fake poisoned and then made a serious case that the poisoner could be town, while DGB admitted it was fake right away. TBH the main reason I still felt he was scummy was because he kept it up for so long and was so defensive about it. But it is a good point, I will keep my mind open on DGB.

This has been bugging me. First, there is the scumtell of using "TBH" aka "To Be Honest." Second, this seems like fake sitting on the fence, keeping options open - partly because I know that I did NOT admit it was fake "right away." I didn't need to admit anything as the roles are listed in the OP. The fake-poison vs. fake-dayvig comparison is completely wonky.

I'm willing to lynch Rachmarie over this.

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UPDATE:

Madonnas

DrippingGoofball
Sucrose
Seastormjt (may have been bus'ed, must consider possibility)
MathGirl277
Tammy
PiggyGal15
CityElectric
Eidolon

Locked in a stupid argument

Brandi
Amrun

Witches

springlullaby
flinter
Bunnylover
Huntress

Hos

Fujiko
RachMarie
camn
Telo[/quote]

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Brandi is total town. Everyone put their weapons down and back off.

My spidey sense tingles for springlullaby. I can't put my finger on why I feel that way, but if it's SL was exploiting a vulnerability by pushing Brandi. I have to read more carefully though. There be scum arguing with Brandi. There's at least one person arguing with her that is NOT town on town.

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OK I re-read and SL seems clean.

I do agree with the below, though.

unvote

vote: Huntress

How the FUCK do you know if scum have daytalk or not if it doesn't say so on the first page?

Where is it "known" that the scum have daytalk?

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Rachmarie, right?

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camn is town.

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Good points about Bunnylover, I will have to investigate this deeper.

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#299 How is tbh a scumtell?

Glork says it is.

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After reading Fujiko ISO, I realized something. I'm really terrible at trying to connect people post into some kinda evil master plan =/

YET

I rather lynch Fujiko

So, what you're trying to tell us, is that you're scum?

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Sorry about that, I made the post going through the thread and typed while I read.

I've asked to be replaced btw, so if people still have questions to me, I guess this is the time to ask them.

This is a townie replacing out, just sayin'

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The flint/Tracey slot continues to be town-town-town.

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So you're threatening to hammer but you haven't even read anything?

This.

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TraceyLynn is town, all she needs is to exercise good judgment.

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It's a little late on the wagon to go full-whiteknight.

Why? If you're scum and some townie is headed to the Dead QT, at L-1 forever because of lurkage, last thing you want to do is derail this wagon and have it bounce on yourself or one of your partners.

Nah, scum would do exactly what SL is doing. "Oh hi, just passing through, never mind me, seeya later, I'm OK with the lynch."

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I don't claim. IRL play claiming gives out tells. I can never get away with it so I don't do it -ever-.

What? No claiming because claiming gives out tells in RL? You can't GET AWAY with it so you don't do it?

GET AWAY WITH IT

Wait

What????

LAUNCH LYNCH SEQUENCE

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It's like poker. You always make the other player pay to see your cards. You don't ever show your cards for free.
And yes there are tells IRL and OL.

You're at L-1. You don't claim, you are auto-lynched. It's not at all like poker.

Everyone who plays me knows I lynch soft-claims and no-claims.

I want the next person who hasn't voted to hammer Telo ASAP.

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p-edit. What is auto lynch and how is it different from the regular lynch that I would get if I showed you my card?

That means that not-claiming is a non-negotiable position that must always lead to a lynch.

I don't need you to 'show your card' - people that soft-claim or not-claim are scum. I now know you're scum.

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Also, read my sig. It's my Bible.

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Eh, I've refused to claim before as scum, but DDP refused to claim as town in mafia behind the maiden so eh.

Always lynch non-claimants. Always.

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YO, Tammy is town.

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UPDATE:

Madonnas

DrippingGoofball
Sucrose
Seastormjt (may have been bus'ed, must consider possibility)
MathGirl277
Tammy
PiggyGal15
CityElectric
Eidolon
flinter/TraceyLynn

Locked in a stupid argument

Brandi
Amrun

Witches

Huntress
camn

Hos

Fujiko
RachMarie
Telo
springlullaby
Bunnylover

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I'm really sorry. That's awful.
Some things are more important than mafia.

Actually, this has all the markings of a mafia job. This must be terribly upsetting.

@Telo - I think you're unclear on the concept of the game altogether. When you're about to be lynched, you claim. That's how it works. If you refuse to claim, you get lynched. If you claim, say, VT, me might believe you. If you claim Cop, you'll be Doc-protected. If you're town, that give the town a chance to hit scum rather than you, a fellow townie. If you're scum, you give your scumteam a chance to lynch a townie instead, with a clever fakeclaim.

But no claim means you are lynched and the day stops there. It's a terrible strategy no matter what side you're on.

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I'm alive! So many ladies I want deaded so that I can have RedCoyote all to myself. But enough about RL, back to the game.

Two NKs make me sad. Who would kill Bunnylover? She was next to useless.

OK. I looked at the game at night and prayed to survive. I think Rachmarie & Telo are buddies. Look at that mutual voting. Perfect noobscum softbus'ing in early game.

VOTE: RachMarie

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I hate changing my vote once I've placed it on someone but I also can't justify leaving it on Rach since she hasn't said or done anything.
Ok, I went to the member list to see if she'd been on and the members go from Raamawen to radwulf.
Did RachMarie delete?

See. That's scummy.

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On

Huntress

: Only one real vote but when a player gives their reason and backs it up with a vote they go up a notch in my esteem. Of course I reserve the right to amend this but I think Huntress is town who thinks she got off a good shot.

WOULDN'T SAY THIS ABOUT A BUDDY.

On

Tammy

: Getting lots of info out there and promoting activity. The fact that your vote is on Huntress who I'm reading as town doesn't make me think you're scum. It just means that one of us is wrong about her.

WOULDN'T SAY THIS ABOUT A BUDDY.

On

Camn

: That sort of introduction always makes me leery. When people claim to know more than they should it makes me suspicious. She says she will prove it once her wheels get spinning so I'm watching for that.

WOULD ABSOLUTELY SAY THIS ABOUT A BUDDY.

On

flinter

: Said almost exactly what I was thinking and placed a vote on camn. I'll be following to see if our thinking stays in tuned.

WOULDN'T SAY THIS ABOUT A BUDDY.

On

Brandi

still doing the extra reading assigned in post #89

MIGHT SAY THIS ABOUT A BUDDY.

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Not scum with Eidolon or Tammy or KattyBard or Brandi (Telo sucks up to Brandi) or Sucrose (esp. post 357) or Fujiko but I already knew that.

Post 436 may not be Telo vs. camn-buddy.

Maybe
Huntress

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• Telo

  (10) (RachMarie -

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  - PiggyGal15 - Brandi - camn -

  CityElectric

  - Fujiko - Eidolon - TraceyLyn11 - Sucrose)
  
  
  Huntress
  (2) (Tammy - Seastormjt)
  
  
  Fujiko
  (1) (

  Bunnylover

  )
  
  
  Brandi
  (1) (springlullaby)
  
  
  PiggyGal15
  (1) (

  Telo

  )
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Amrun)
  
  
  camn
  (1) (Huntress)
  
  
  Bunnylover
  (0) (

  Sucrose

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (Apokalyptika)

One of these three ought to be scum, though.

Eidolon - TraceyLyn11 - Sucrose

- ONE of them is late bus'ing. BUT which?

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Apokaliptika may be non-voting scum.

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Bunnylover was obsessed with lynching Fujiko. She said little else beyond the kill-Fujiko mantra.

Maybe that's why BL is dead.

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VOTE: rachmarie.

I don't agree that bunnylover was killed due to the fujiko thing as she was a small voice.

Could be. However, if you're fujiko and you're scum, you hear that small insistent voice very loudly.

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As Telo was the only scum PR[...]

Is that right? She's the only scum PR? Well well.

I still think Rach & Telo distanced by voting each other early on. But through the Telo wagon, I didn't get a sense of a whole lot of bus'ing.

A good time to bus an only scum PR is when it looks like the lynch is going ahead no matter what - which would normally mean when Telo refused to claim. At that point, any scum that wasn't voting Telo yet would pretty much have to, if they happened to be online and see what was going on.

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camn!

What you think?

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Or did you really not read the set-up?

I never read instructions/setups/prefaces/preamables. I don't eat soup.

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May I add that #590 is one fine post on a fine, fine day.

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Are you all just pretending not to have read the first few posts? Or did you really not read the set-up?

Actually I'm very tempted to vote DGB. I'll think about it more tomorrow.

Thisthisthisthisthis.

So you think that I worked hard to build a Piggy-wagon, exonerated her on a fake dayvig gambit, and turned around to whip up a wagon against my scumbuddy Telo? Seriously.

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@ RachMarie

Please convince me that you have read Telo thoroughly, and tell me, with supporting evidence, who you think her buddies are.

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Mmmmm

I want RachMarie to be lynched more, not less, after reading camn's post.

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Not seeing Sucrose as scum.

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It amuses me that out of all of Huntress's post, the part about you is the only part you seem to have focused on.

This may cut into your amusement, but I actually agree with the other parts, so I didn't mention them.

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Noobscum distancing is a crap tell too.

I think it's an ace tell.

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Now, on one hand I have a difficult time wrapping my head around Telo's play in light of daytalk on the other Telo being scum PR must be accounted for, which only makes her play more baffling.

I suspect her buddies were baffled as well, so there may be some bits of coaching in the thread leaking through. Maybe Sucrose, actually. I'm going to re again with that in mind when I get back home later today.

bad vote on Telo with hardly any mention of Telo herself at all, Traceylyn comes in and leaves her vote on? That strikes me as unlikely town, especially since in the time leading to the lynch she has made no further commentary on the subject beside a half supportive note on Huntress's whiteknighting.
Apokalyptika: Paying for Mathgirl's sins, doesn't say anything during the end of the day and lukewarm vote on Rach is meh.
Seastormjt: Out of the people not voting Telo, I think she looks the worst, her vote on Huntress reads as out of nowhere to me too.
Sucrose: Hammer on Telo is meh. Although redeeming point is that reading her she is very friendly to Teo, which strikes me as less likely to be scum.

BTW, anytime I reread Brandi, my scumdar jumps up. Putting it there to say I told you so if she ends up flipping scum.

I see your point of view. Again, I will re-read tonight with this in mind. Good observations.

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slots that get passed around like hot potatoes tend to be scum.

As someone who replaced in 4372184728749328 scum slots vs 3 town slots, I agree.

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Give us the six you got! We don't have homework.

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I'm coming around to TraceyLyn-scum.

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VOTE: TraceyLyn11

And with this, RachMarie, Apo & Tracey each have 3 votes.

Let's keep them hanging for a while.

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@ Sucrose

If Bunnylover was the scum's target... reading between the lines... Bunnylover had a bee in her bonnet against one player only.

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BL was obsessed with Fujiko.

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...and scum may have just been groping in the dark for PR's, so I wouldn't take it too far on its own.

Nah. Unclaimed PRs are too difficult to distinguish from the unwashed masses. Scum doesn't grope. They kill claimed PRs and enemies.

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Hmm.. tracey seems more like stubborn town to me.

Stubborness isnt' a tell, it's what she's being stubborn about that is scummy. Kinda like Telo being too stubborn to claim.

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Yep. TraceyLynn is scum.

You ladies can chit chat, I'll be polishing the guillotine blade.

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@DGB: You haven't explained why you believe I'm scum. Care to?

You waste a lot of time posting useless. argumentative nonsense, when you could post your partial analysis.

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Also, you're probably procrastinating the analysis, and you haven't even started, because it's tedious work when you already know who the scum is.

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That was addressed to TraceyLynn.

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First, I read my personal employee evaluation to get a sense of how well TL reads people. Not very well is the answer. Of course I knew there is no dayvig. There's never any dayvig.

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First, she promises reads and never delivers (nor brings it up again, actually).
From the time of her vote to the time of the hammer she didn't question Telo at all. She didn't push her. She didn't interact with her at all.
She didn't have those, "She's scum, guise" reads. She had, "I think she's scum, but she did do this, so I could be wrong" type of reads.

Hey, this

is

good. RM is scum, we're lynching her.

VOTE: RachMarie

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Also, Sucrose is town and let there be no two opinions on this matter. It is settled.

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@ Tracey
I'll tell you in the dead QT or after the game - Sucrose isn't scum. Trust the old lady on this one.

@ camn
Sorry, you have to bus again. We're lynching RM.

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@ Tracey
We'll make you see the light

after

the game. Was that not clear? AFTER means after.

I totally didn't soft-claim anything at all. Jeebus. ZERO claim from me.

@RachMarie
You're at L-2. Claim time.

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Dayvig: TraceyLyn11

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And why are you, DGB, asking for a claim from Rach when you're on her wagon? Only people off the wagon should be asking for a claim.

Sorry, I make the rules.

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First, she promises reads and never delivers (nor brings it up again, actually).

= LAZY SCUM

From the time of her vote to the time of the hammer she didn't question Telo at all. She didn't push her. She didn't interact with her at all.

= BUS'ING

She didn't have those, "She's scum, guise" reads. She had, "I think she's scum, but she did do this, so I could be wrong" type of reads.

= BUS'ING

Hey, this

is

good. RM is scum, we're lynching her.

VOTE: RachMarie

Maybe I have brain damage right now but I really don't see what's a scumtell in this post. ><

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Tracey's town. Her thoughts about people read town and she didnt feel the need to go into reasons why a couple of her town reads were town, sure they're not controversial town reads but still. If she's scum here she has a talent for not shallow reading which a lot of experienced scum don't have. Her reads read in depth in a way I really only expect from town.

She's town for another reason, a big one, that game to me while I was in the shower. NEVER LYNCH TRACEY. OR SUCROSE. Not even after I'm dead, ladies.

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camn is town cause it's camn and there can only be 3 scum left, and she doesn't fit in the pool.

Pretend you're a salesman, and I'm arguing that she doesn't fit in the town pool. Sell me on why she does, because if I wasn't so ready to lynch rachmarie, camn would be the one I'd be pushing right now.

I fully support this notion. If RM flips scum, you HAVE to lynch camn. I may not be there to remind you.

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no white knight here.
I will hammer just for the flip..... But I am not terribly into Rach as a lynch.
Luckily, I'm not that into her as a great endgame candidate either. At this point, if she IS town, and makes it to endgame.... we lose.

RACHMARIE- CLAIM OR DIE

And besides..
1- Im town
2- push away, you dont have it in you.

Argh

I like this post - keep wavering.

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There was something i wanted to say about telo wagon. Normally, it would be pretty STUPID for the scumteam to bus their PR on day 1.

You kidding me? Day 1 is the best day to bus your weak buddy, and get some town-cred at little cost. Weak buddies aren't worth defending, but they're worth their weight in gold for towncred. I like to cash in right away.

RachMarie failed to claim. She's probably waiting to get a clue in the QT.

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Hey all, looking forward to playing. I'm rereading as we speak.

This player slot does indeed need death.

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Telo, RachMarie, Apokalyptika & camn.

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WHY DOES RACHMARIE HAVE ONLY 4 VOTES???

camn your Sucrose vote is completely useless.

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VOTE: Sucrose

Counter wagon anyone?

No. There will be no Sucrose wagon.

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We're not lynching Apokaltica either; she's vig bait. We only lynch that player slot if the vig is dead.

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We're lynching RachMarie for claimstall, for those that don't get it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Am I at L-1 with an intent to hammer??? I have no problem claiming at that point.

She had some options.

(1) Oh hey, I'm vanilla WTF coconut.
(2) This wagon is terrible you morons, I'm a PR, back off.
(3) Fakeclaim cop to out the real cop like a good little scum.
(4) Insecure little scum bought some time and scurried back to the QT for advice.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ camn

How is RM "lighting you up"?

[DrippingGoofball]

And in this case yes I am Town.

Looks to me like an indication of alignment.

That's the sort of BS that scum says all the time. The emphasis "in this case" is odd, too.

[DrippingGoofball]

Amrun is scum. She's using RL excuses to fly under the radar. She has exploited this as scum in the past.

[DrippingGoofball]

Now RachMarie has to claim. Forget that "L-1 with intent to claim" nonsense. Fact is, she's the lynch today unless she claims.

The defenders are anemic, she's retreated to the scum QT, we're running out of time.

[DrippingGoofball]

Don't forget to lynch/vig Apo & camn after I'm gone. Amrun, too, for good measure.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah, by the look of it Rach may be a good lynch too, BTW the logical thing to do is to run up Apok and vig Rach.

Finally, someone agrees!

They're both scum... you vig the worse lurker, that's how it goes.

[DrippingGoofball]

Apok, would you like to claim since you're pretty much confirmed getting vigged?

Seconded.

[DrippingGoofball]

Tracey shows once again that's she's not being clued in a scum QT.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, I'd like to know why your lynch/vig order makes any difference, spring.

Rach has already refused to claim or provide reads already.

The consequence for this must unfailingly be a lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

If RachMarie is scum, and I were her buddy, I would totally lurk and pray that her wagon dissolves and the town's attention would turn onto itself.

You know. Like what springlullaby is pushing, maybe.

[DrippingGoofball]

TOTAL TOWNIES

DrippingGoofball
Sucrose
TraceyLyn11 flinter
PiggyGal15

UNLIKELY TELO BUDDIES

Eidolon
Tammy
Fujiko

NEUTRAL

Brandi
springlullaby
Huntress
Seastormjt - Massive lurkage, put Telo at the bottom of her scumlist yet voted Huntress... seems careless for a Telo buddy to do.

SCUMMINUMNUM

Apokalyptika Katty Bard MathGirl277k - I'm getting conflicting vibes from reading Telo.
camn bus'ing in this post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4368887
Amrun - never trust Amrun's RL excuses.
RachMarie

[DrippingGoofball]

There is hope the vig is hiding her cards, or may change her mind. I would keep a low profile. I wouldn't be eager to lose a second buddy.

[DrippingGoofball]

If the scum really killed Bunnylover, Fujiko has got to be scum, despite all the other signs.

I've just iso'd Bunnylover again. Although she lurked and seemed pretty innoffensive to the rest of us, if Fujiko is scum, BL's post would make her pee in her pants. And Fujiko would NK Bunnylover before things got out of hand.

With a scum down on Day 1, they had to have been nervous, and weren't taking any chances.

[DrippingGoofball]

wut

[DrippingGoofball]

Personally I'm pretty confident that Bunnylover was the scum kill, and City Electric was the Vig.

This is a pretty bad conversational role to go down. I think Bunny was the one killed by scum, and we should investigate from there. Unless you disagree.

Now, you're saying the opposite? Am I getting this right?

[DrippingGoofball]

This changes

everything

.

When I saw the NKs, my first thought was that CE died saving someone.

When I read Sucrose's first post saying that she thought BL was the scum kill, this was such an unexpected conclusion, that I understood this to be a hint that Sucrose herself was the vig.

And then, she mentions the word " vig" or variations thereof no less than 9 times in the subsequent posts.

I thought she was hinting at being the vig herself. That's why I put her in the rock-solid town section. That's why I was wondering why TraceyLyn was failing to see the colossal bread crumbs.

But clearly, if the "vig" doesn't remember who she shot, she's not the vig.

And who is obsessed by the vig? DA SCUM.

Sucrose is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

UPDATE:

TOTAL TOWNIES

DrippingGoofball
TraceyLyn11 flinter
PiggyGal15

UNLIKELY TELO BUDDIES

Eidolon
Tammy
Fujiko

NEUTRAL

Brandi
springlullaby
Huntress
Seastormjt - Massive lurkage, put Telo at the bottom of her scumlist yet voted Huntress... seems careless for a Telo buddy to do.

SCUMMINUMNUM

Apokalyptika Katty Bard MathGirl277k - I'm getting conflicting vibes from reading Telo.
camn bus'ing in this post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4368887
Amrun - never trust Amrun's RL excuses.
RachMarie
Sucrose - obsessed with vigs, vigging, townies killing her and her team mates at night, etc.

[DrippingGoofball]

I guess nobody likes my vig idea. I still don't see why we can't vig Rach and run up Apocalyptika. The vig power can't be limited-shot.

I thought she was telling us

her

plans. This is straight-up directing the vig.

Why would she want the town to vig Rach, but lynch Apo? To deprive us of flip info going into night? Is Apo town, against all odds?

[DrippingGoofball]

You're crazy, DGB. I was never trying to breadcrumb being a vig, the only thing I don't want is random vig shots, because I've seen that eff up the town something bad. I think Apok and Rach are by far the two scummiest suspects, I don't care which one gets shot and which one we hang, so long as we get claims first. Of course if the vig thinks I'm wrong and one of the two is town she can shoot whoever she likes.

Said the scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, I'm not buying amrun hiding her alignment behind real life issues. I have a null read on amrun right now, but not jumping to scum because of that.

She's done it before, though. She can't be trusted with that anymore.

[DrippingGoofball]

Comments on Sucrose-scum's vig obsession is as a good place to start as any.

[DrippingGoofball]

Though.. if she were scum, why flip-flop on her opinion in re: who got vigged? She would know who got vigged from the start....?

Because it's not an

opinion

. It's a ploy. To confuse. Maybe to out the real vig.

[DrippingGoofball]

NOT AGAIN. Either stop bussing, or holy fuck my reads are off.

Suendodnoeksksdmdlmer

Rach, you still have to claim.

RachMarie is scum and we're still lynching her. Talk about stalling! When I get suspicious of Sucrose, she suddely shows up to bus, but forgets to claim? HA. Scum.

Sucrose will get deaded later.

[DrippingGoofball]

Don't forget to lynch/vig Apo & camn

after I'm gone.

Amrun, too, for good measure.

Why do you keep saying (I believe you've said it multiple times anyways) you're going to be the kill tonight?

Hey, I'm amazed I got a second day. With no claimed PR, I might actually get a third, but I'm not counting on it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Tracey shows once again that's she's not being clued in a scum QT.

How?

Sucrose's over-the-top breadcrumbing that she's the vig struck me as so in-your-face obvious that the scum would already have planned to whack her tonight. As it turns out, Sucrose is scum who is obsessed by the vig, controlling the vig, perhaps even outing the vig.

YOU have been bussing me all game.

(omg dgb/camn scumfession!!)

Maybe not a Camn/DGB scumfession, but it's borderline Camn scumfession.

My interpretation, as well.

[DrippingGoofball]

This discussion about whether the scum will kill me or not is retarded.

We need to hammer Rach. She's not doing that thing all townies do when they're about to be lynched, which is acting townie.

[DrippingGoofball]

The timing of your sudden re-appearance is suspect.

[DrippingGoofball]

Were your prodded by your buddies?

[DrippingGoofball]

Town please win this game for me ♥

Good Luck.

You helped the scum...

[DrippingGoofball]

Post #884 was that "townie thing" I was looking for.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sucrose needs death.

[DrippingGoofball]

camn your Sucrose vote is completely useless.

Sincerest apologies. I was bamboozled by the "vig breadcrumbs." How was I supposed to know that she's just scum worrying about her team being shot down at night by pro-town forces?

[DrippingGoofball]

Traceyscum anyone?

Not impossible.

[DrippingGoofball]

I need to re-consider a few things.

[DrippingGoofball]

I must be wrong about something important, that's for sure.

[DrippingGoofball]

Who the F is keeping

me

alive, and why?

[DrippingGoofball]

I already looked at Tammy. Tammy was on the same page I was.

I'm not so sure I want to hang Sucrose. Maybe that's what the scum was counting on - my pushing Sucrose?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm kind if thinking the same... about the both of us.
You are alive because your reads are off.
Me too, likely.

Or the scum just don't know who we are

They killed Tammy, though, and as I said before, Tammy was following in my footsteps to some extent. Everyone said she was town, though. She would have been unlynchable.

[DrippingGoofball]

At least ONE here is scum.

PiggyGal15 - camn - Sucrose - Brandi

At least ONE here is scum.

Fujiko - Eidolon - TraceyLyn11

[DrippingGoofball]

There was this votecount:
Telo (3) (RachMarie - DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15)
Fujiko (3) (Eidolon - camn - Bunnylover)

Followed by this votecount:
Telo (4) (RachMarie - DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15 - Brandi)
Fujiko (3) (Eidolon - camn - Bunnylover)

This makes Brandi unlikely scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Tammy kept calling Sucrose town.

Not sure that Sucrose-scum would have NK'd

her,

and left

me

alive after I was calling for her head post-Rach-lynch.

Sucrose, a vig-obsessed townie? Maybe this time. I'll have to re-visit my assumptions if that turns out to be true.

[DrippingGoofball]

At least ONE here is scum.

PiggyGal15 - camn -

Sucrose - Brandi

At least ONE here is scum.

Fujiko - Eidolon - TraceyLyn11[/quote]

[DrippingGoofball]

I am saying guessing at nightkill motivations isn't that fruitful.

Really.

[DrippingGoofball]

I was wrong about something. Most likely, Sucrose.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes, really!

Plus- if you are going to use that shoddy logic to clear Sucrose.. you should use it to clear me, too, no?
BUT YOU SHOULDN'T. Its bad logic either way.

I wasn't rabid with you like I was with Sucrose at day's end, yesterday.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: DGB New wagon? I think this one will give more information, anyways.

Why, the Sucrose wagon I looked like I was going to push hard today, didn't stick?

And you want me lynched FOR INFORMATION? On Day 3.

For information.

[DrippingGoofball]

@DGB: Actually, you just said that you were thinking you were wrong about your Sucrose read. So.

So... you unvoted Sucrose, because me, your scum read, believing Sucrose *may* be town?

[DrippingGoofball]

THAT I WOULD FORGET? That I would get distracted by your Sucrose hate?
That I would think TAMMY was more if a threat?

Really?

Objectively, Tammy was not a threat. She was just on everyone's town list, and therefore, unlynchable.

My Sucrose hate was pretty intense just before the NK discussion would have started.

Camn, you seem too sure of my townieness, and you seemed too sure about RachMarie's.

But much more disturbing is that I just iso'd you, and the word BLOOD didn't even come up once.

VOTE: camn

[DrippingGoofball]

Have I ever voted for camn? I'm so sad.

[DrippingGoofball]

I need to review Telo and people's cases on her but

I can't see myself voting there

unless I see something I've missed.

Would a scumpal say this? ^^^

[DrippingGoofball]

Check her iso, it's not the only post where she's openly reluctant to vote for the scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

so, update on my life: my wisdom teeth are horribly infected and my face is swollen

also my family is getting hit by the hurricane pretty directly

yay

but I'll do a good post in the next few hours

TOO MANY RL EXCUSES

VOTE: Amrun

[DrippingGoofball]

If you think you should have died last night, who benefits the most from your continued survival?

TraceyLynn.

Maybeeee. But she's clamoring for my lynch, so...

[DrippingGoofball]

Well actually, yes. I don't have a good memory, so I often have to look back at my reads even when I'm town.

Okay, I do not understand why no one jumped on this. WHAT TOWN FEELS THE NEED TO SAY "EVEN WHEN I'M TOWN?" COME ON!

Yeah. This bugs.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm sorry. I don't follow the logic.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm actually starting to think one (likely not both, but not sure) of DGB and camn is scum.

I'm not certain which, yet...

VOTE: DGB
I'd like to see what information comes from this one.

Great!

Now, you're going to explain in great detail, and with crystal clarity, why you choose one over the other.

Hint

: "DGB already has one vote" is not a correct answer.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi all. catching up soon.

Please provide timeline.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm reconsidering my reads slowly. I just caught something of Brandi - my town read of her player slot is maintained.

[DrippingGoofball]

Leaning more townish on Camn as well.

seastorm
Huntress
spring
camn

I'm convinced at least one of these is scum.

Please explain the apparent contradiction of leaning townish on camn, then putting her in a list 1/4 scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Clamoring for your lynch, yes, but with any hope of success? No.

Hey scum. I want you to explain the logical steps that lead to your conclusion that TraceyLynn is scum. I'm not satisfied. I'm also not accepting more RL excuses. If you're using RL excuses to the extent you have in this game, and you turn out to be scum, I'm blacklisting you forever.

Please explain your logic very slowly and carefully. I will examine every step with a magnifying glass.

[DrippingGoofball]

prodded will post tomorrow

Hi lurkerscum. It's getting late and I'm not seeing that promised post.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ camn

Please make a post using the word "blood." I'm looking for something particular.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's the answer you're getting.
A wagon with two people on it is a lot more likely to actually get us information than two wagons with one.
That's why I quoted TraceyLyn's statement about more information.

In other words, you're not answering. A two-person wagon this early in the day cannot be described as "

a lot

more likely to actually get us information." Further, you're insisting on an "information" lynch. Right.

OK, good to know you're scum.

Next order of business.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, what is that you're not following? You seemed to follow it very well when I posted it and now all of a sudden you don't?

I can't put my finger on what I'm not getting. The logical steps don't make sense to me as to how TraceyLyn's behavior make her scum. Just explain it again with different words, please.

Also, I'm not sure where you're going with irl excuses thing.

I hope you're town, that is all. I'll give you a pass on it, if you're town.

[DrippingGoofball]

When did Tammy call Sucrose town

apart from in

her first thoughts at the beginning of the game

, and

during the period she thought Sucrose was vig

? Her only other comment on her was in post 578, where she expressed doubts about her.

You've answered the question yourself.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote: DGB

JUSTIFY IN YOUR NEXT POST.

[DrippingGoofball]

Looking at Telo again:

Votes:

Rach

Speaks directly to:

Eidolon, Eidolon again

Tammy
DGB

Fujiko - Fujiko responds to Telo directly. A lot of interaction.
Tammy, Tammy again.

Katty. Katty

responds to Telo.
Sucrose engages Telo to get her to elaborate on her scummy RL excuse.
camn - argues with camn a lot especially after big post.

Unmentioned outside of list:

Amrun

springlullaby

TraceyLyn11 flinter

- barely mentioned.

Huntress

- barely mentioned.

Seastormjt

Speaks about:

Rach

Piggy, Piggy again but in post #217, refuses to give a read. Votes Piggy in next post, though. She speaks about Piggy a great deal.
Sucrose
Huntress

Overt reads:

Town

Huntress - town
Tammy - town - strongest read

Rach

- town
Fujiko - town
Amrun - town

Neutrals

flinter/TraceyLyn - neutral
Brandi - neutral
camn - on "watchlist"

Scum

At least one of Piggy or SL is Telo's buddy.

Piggy - unexplained scum
Spring - mean scum

>>> Telo had a scum read on spring but barely mentioned her and did not interact with her.

DGB

- scum using the word ho

bunnylover

- the lurkerscum

Mathgirl/Katty

- scum for tiny font use

Game post #357 makes Brandi total town. Also sucking up to Brandi in #500

In #408 Fujiko quite aggressively votes Telo to get her to show up faster.

Huntress, also very aggressive with Telo.

=========================

UPON RE-READ

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Brandi

LEANING TOWN

PiggyGal15
Eidolon

LEANING SCUM

(temporarily, I need to sort these out, many are going to be townies.
camn > waiting for blood post.
Sucrose - fear of vig.
Fujiko
Huntress
Amrun
TraceyLyn11 flinter

SCUM

springlullaby > really not liking SL lurkage today.
Seastormjt > never mentioned by Telo, yet, some people were suspecting SS.

[DrippingGoofball]

Thinking this over some more.

Overt Telo reads:

Town

Huntress - town
Tammy - town - strongest read

Rach

- town
Fujiko - town
Amrun - town

Neutrals

- I bet one of camn or TraceyLyn is scum, there is a scum in that neutral list.

flinter/TraceyLyn

- neutral

Brandi - neutral

camn

- on "watchlist"

Scum

At least one of Piggy or SL is Telo's buddy.

Piggy - unexplained scum
Spring - mean scum

>>> Telo had a scum read on spring but barely mentioned her and did not interact with her.

DGB

- scum using the word ho

bunnylover

- the lurkerscum

Mathgirl/Katty

- scum for tiny font use

=========================

UPON RE-READ

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Brandi

LEANING TOWN

PiggyGal15
Eidolon

LEANING SCUM

(temporarily, I need to sort these out, many are going to be townies.
Sucrose - scummy fear of vig???
Fujiko >
Huntress >
Amrun
ONE OF THESE TWO IS PROBABLY THE SCUM
camn > waiting for blood post.
TraceyLyn11 flinter

SCUM

springlullaby > really not liking SL lurkage today. Also, either Piggy of SL is Telo's buddy, they're the 2/5 un-flipped in Telo's scum list. I'm banking on SL.
Seastormjt > never mentioned by Telo, yet, some people were suspecting SS.

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay, DGB, and just for you, I'll go into even more detail.
[...]her wall.

A-OK. I hear you. That's good.

[DrippingGoofball]

Other than that, Telo is either a total moron vanilla townie or scum. If you turn up to be a PR, I'm blacklisting you.

If scum:

Bunnylover

,

flinter

, maybe

DGB

, maybe

Sucrose

.

If town:

Huntress

, maybe

Tammy.

City

is scummy

in both circumstances

.

Five

names if Telo flips scum, but only

three

if Telo flips town. I'm counting CityElectric in both lists.

Maybe SL, knowing that SL is scum, bothered to cast a wider net on townies after Telo's scum flip? There would be no reason to slip a scumpal in that list, but you never know.

[DrippingGoofball]

There are two players that voted for Sucrose, whom I would have been predicted to push today. TraceyLyn & camn.

And when I decide I'm not going to push Sucrose after all, TraceyLyn votes me.

It's pretty sketch that she'd be gung-ho to lynch her scum read's biggest scum read from the day before. No? Am I making sense?

[DrippingGoofball]

OK you're town.

[DrippingGoofball]

TraceyLyn

I'm feeling incredibly uneasy about DGB. Unfortunately, I still haven't been able to re-read Camn/Fujiko.

Basically, I'm happy with a Sucrose or DGB lynch. Maybe Piggy.

Why hasn't this re-read of camn/Fujiko been delivered? Why announce you are willing to lynch 3 townies today, before your promised reading? That's not town-think.

Followed up with:

Traceyscum anyone?

Also, why are you asking for approval, and if you think I'm scum, why are you not voting me?

Gut scumreads:

Sucrose
DGB
Piggy
Camn

When I have time tomorrow, I'm going to read back over my reasoning for Fujiko null-scum and Camn null-town. Other than those, I'm fairly confident in DGB/Sucrose. That last scum is probably between Piggy and Camn (or Fujiko, depending).

Now, without have done the promised re-read, we have a verdict on Fujiko & camn, but rather, going back to read her foregone conclusions Fujiko null-scum and camn null-town. How does she know if she hasn't re-read?

It's either Camn and DGB or just DGB (or neither). I don't think Camn's scum without DGB. With that being said, I don't think Camn and DGB is completely likely. And I certainly think

both are scummy

.

But in the previous post, camn was nulll-town. Now, camn scummy?

Whatever happened to the Sucrose-top-scumread?

Still must re-read her.

Remind me - must read over Sucrose, Fujiko, Piggy, and Camn.

How come she's not re-reading me, but she must re-read Sucrose, whom she voted earlier today, and whom she thought was scum yesterday? Still no re-reading of camn, but the opinion keeps changing from null-town to sorta-scum without that re-read?

Sucrose

Someone, or more likely multiple someones, in the following pile is scum:

Seastorm
Spring
Huntress
Camn
Amrun

I like this scumlist, actually.

Fujiko

And yeah, I have some rereading to do as well.

There's no more redirector-type roles possible, right? (Something like a doctor would stop a lynch from happening.)

Fishing for doctor, yo.

springlullaby

Meh, I'll reread this when I can muster up the energy.

prodded will post tomorrow

Did not post as promised.

Seastormjt

Augh, prod-dodging. Catching up will take several hours, and I have something to finish before tomorrow that'll take about the same amount of time.

Should be back on Monday.

Wasn't back on Monday.

Blackout due to Sandy, not posting until power's back sorry.

Eidolon

Hi all. catching up soon.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Eidolontown, Seastormscum & springlullabyscum

need to be posting, and I better see some substance and opinions about everything, not some shallow pick-and-choose.

Sucrose is town, Fujiko is sketch, TraceyLyn is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Seastorm's biggest scumread, Sucrose, is just "light scum" yet Sucrose gets a vote.



I don't get this. I mean, many reads are labelled hard "towny" but there is no corresponding hard "scummy." Just some light scummy.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Sucrose is scum, Tracey's clear, Huntress is clear, Brandi and camn are clear, Piggy's clear, Spring's clear, Fujiko's clear.
If Huntress is scum, Sucrose is clear, Fujiko's sort of clear, and... Surprisingly it doesn't tell me any more than that.

Where does this come from...

[DrippingGoofball]

Votal analysis?

I also want to see Sucrose flip because of votals, I did a little color labeling assuming she was scum and everything looked okay.

OK, I want to see your calculations. I want to know how you arrive at the conclusions you arrive at. I want to see the

whole

"votal analysis" and explain what you mean by "everything looked okay." I'm looking for something in particular. I'm not telling you what.

You haven't explained why no one gets a flat out scum read, BTW. You still need to do this.

[DrippingGoofball]

...though I've chosen to ignore that you guys tend not to post reasoning because that opens up too many.

You realize that"tend not to post reasoning" applies 10ox more to you (plus the lurking) than to me, right?

[DrippingGoofball]

Scum tend not to vote right after each other (It's very difficult to fake, even if you know about it -- the votes come off as really awkward.)

About 3 years ago, I examined this theory of scum avoiding twin votes as a possible factor in my analyses. I'm not using it anymore, because it's fail. Scum twin votes way too often. I find it odd that you'd claim "shallow understanding" and follow this up with some arcane theory that didn't stand the test of reality.

I've also noticed that if you assume someone's scum and that clears a lot of people, then that person tends to be actually be scum.

WUT

Please run back to your QT, your scumpals are coaching you all wrong. Maybe they can explain it to you again, and you can parrot it back to us in a clearer way that will help me understand better what thoughts your scum team are planting in your head.

[DrippingGoofball]

PiggyGal15 (5) (DrippingGoofball -

Seastormjt

- camn -

Amrun

-

Telo

-

Fujiko

)

This is complete and utter rubbish. You cannot clear Amrun or Fujiko for twinning votes with Telo. Scum don't monitor each other's votes, and

never

, ever, in my long career of plotting against townies in QTs, did I ever see a mention of scumz going:

"Be careful! I just voted! Don't vote right after meeeee!!!!! They're going to fiiiiiiind us if we dooooooo!!! Waaaah!"

In fact, Piggy looked like a nice comfy mature wagon that the scum could have blamed on me in the event of a mislynch. They're in a rush to get to night to avoid suspicion and kill townies.

We're in solid WIFOM territory.

[DrippingGoofball]

/bows to DGB.

Didnt someone get on my case for thinking she was town? ITS OBVIOUS.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah. You picked up something that escaped me, obviously.

Anyhoo. It's clear I'm arguing with scum here, and the whole QT, whispering in her ears.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't want to rush to a lynch, because I still need to torture Springlullaby.

[DrippingGoofball]

No, I've seen a towny do it several times with eerie success and I've tried to break the pattern as scum.

Your scumteam's vote-twinning theories are rubbish and won't win you the game.

Now on to the much anticipated torture of your scumpal springlullaby.

[DrippingGoofball]

Shallow understanding = I've played with someone who does votal analysis often and that's one of the most upheld ideas.

ie, I didn't make it up.

Heck I don't even know why it happens, just that it's really hard to break the habit.

The only thing I understand about your so-called votal analysis is that scum don't vote one after the other, which is a totally invalid assumption.

Please list all the other assumptions you are using.

You may ask your scumpals for answers before you post. We're sure to find it more amusing that way.

[DrippingGoofball]

Just for the record, if you know what 'leverage' is, you have

none

. You don't come out of a mega-lurking phase asking a bunch of painfully phony questions. You're supposed to provide analyses and opinions so that we can hang you for them, or have mercy on your scrawny little neck.

Reading I don't particularly like how the discussion is centred around NK wifom but a couple of questions first:
@DGB, you are calling Tracey, seastorm and me scum. Why are you voting for Amrun?

I HAVEN'T DECIDED AND IF IT KEEPS HER POSTING, WHY NOT.

@Amrun, so your reasoning is that Tracey is scum because DGB is alive. But then why should Tracey kill Tammy, she had a town read on Tracey too.

USELESS QUESTION. THE ANSWER IS SELF-EVIDENT.

@Camn, I haven't caught your reason to vote for Traceylyn, can you explain again.

ISO CAMN, IT'S THERE.

@Brandi, same question to you. What do you agree with in Amrun's case?

USELESS QUESTION. DO NOT WASTE HER TIME.

@Fujiko, what information have you gained from your vote on DGB?

USELESS QUESTION. YOU SHE WANTS A FLIP OF ME.

@Seastorm, can you explain in two sentence why you are voting Sucrose?

USELESS QUESTION. I'M TRYING TO GRILL HER SLIPPERY EEL.

Now that your pretending-to-scumhunt with worthless questions is taken care of, please supply us with reads on every one currently alive, and with exquisitely elaborate detail. That's your punishment for insulting us with your continued lurking. You have 24 hours to deliver.

And, in token of encouragement,

VOTE: springlullaby

[DrippingGoofball]

You've had tons of time to establish reads.

My thought processes are extremely clear and out in the open.

Your thought processes on the other hand, have been obscured by chronic lurkage.

You have not delivered reads on everyone alive.

Vote stays.

[DrippingGoofball]

Your statement in post 936 implies that Tammy was continually calling Sucrose town. She wasn't. She had expressed suspicion of her and the only time she called her town in day two was over the vig thing, as you did yourself. So I'm asking you to back up your statement with facts.

How many times does a player have to call another player "town" for it to constitute a "fact"? Your assumption that my words implied that Tammy was

continually

calling Sucrose town is preposterous. She did have a reasonably consistent read on Sucrose as evidence by her calling her town twice.

[DrippingGoofball]

Spring doesn't seem to have the best attitude in response to DGB's postings, but the way she's wording things doesn't seem to indicative of scum to me.

She did say she was looking forward to me torturing her, I didn't want to disappoint. Then she gets all upset on me! Whatttupwidat....

[DrippingGoofball]

@Fujiko, what information have you gained from your vote on DGB?

So far, two pages of reactions and counting.

ANALYSE reactions in next post, please.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Huntress:

Please make a detailed case on Brandi, especially what it is that you find scummy in her post 1035, and please list "among other stuff."

If Seastorm is your top scumread, and I'm your second top scumread (or vice-versa, since your vote is on me), do you think I'm bus'ing Seastorm after bus'ing Telo on day 1?

Why is your so-called scum read on camn unsupported?

Please list the Tracey niggles.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh KRAP, we have only 3 days, and we've had nothing but incoherent nonsense from Seastorm, Fujiko is squirming around voting me for "information" and not asnwering questions, and we received a smatterinng of useless questions from springlullaby.

Springlullaby is the worst by far in completely avoiding to give reads for us to examine, and she's saying I'm bullying her into giving her reads to get her to come out of lurkage.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd like to see more votes on springlullaby & Seastorm to set their toes on fire.

Right now, Seastorm, TraceyLynn, Fujiko and Huntress are voting townies.

Springlullaby isn't voting (maybe that's part of her evil plan to not give information on her thoughts today).

Eidolon needs to check in and make the right decision.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not opposed to a TraceyLyn lynch.

I want you guys to remember to not let Seastorm, springlullaby and Fujiko get away with any nonsense or inconsistency. Like, if a player lurks and you demand that they show up and give you reads, and all you get from them is some lame attempt at putting other players on the defensive with weak questions when they should be delivering the goods, you can't let them get away with it. You have to promise me this.