Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)
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vote: PiggyGal15
Did a meta check, she has made long introductory/weird posts before as scum.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=18721
@Amrun: Statistics show that most scum is caught during the RVS stage.- Brandi
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It's not about the time that it's happening, it's about later in the game when you need to go back and re-read.
Those initial interactions can be amazing for finding connections and such much later on after a few flips have happened.
But as I said, no real reason to delve too much into mafia theory. RVS is over, can't do much about that now.- Brandi
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In post 77, springlullaby wrote:Vote Brandi
Discussion about RVS is distracting, what's the point?
It is also fake I think - please point out to me 3 games in which you, Brandi, have found "connections and such much later on after a few flips have happened" from RVS posts.
Ah. You do not have an RVS vote to place, so you have to find something useful to say. This post is very telling.
I could not link you to 3 completed games on this site, especially not any where I employed such a theory. Not that I would need to- but that's a nice straw man you've got there.
I've read a few of mafia discussion threads on RVS that support this theory, with statistics- as well as discussed the topic with scummers and heard it discussed during scum meets.
I find it interesting that you would ask me to link to games to further a debate about something you seem to find distracting, when it obviously does not matter whether I'm right or not. (Hint: I am)- Brandi
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@Mathgirl:
I cannot find the original thread I read a long time ago, the search function has been no help. I think it was potentially made by or had part in by Hoopla. She has various threads that show win % of certain set ups and such. I'll keep looking later but this discussion gets to the core of a lot of my beliefs.
I'm not aware if it is related to the site crash or not. I will say that there wasn't a very large sample size as I think it was only mafiascum based and was a year or so ago.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22346
Particularly Mastin's post here details things quite nicely:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4114509
also I'm honored you would say I sound experienced. However, my join date may be deceptive, but I've only just started up playing mafia again. (All of my games are ongoing)
The last time I played before then was at scum meets, and during the year of my join date or sporadically on marathon days.
I have been quite the observer over the years though, and a lot of my opinions are learned from watching my boyfriend and friends play.- Brandi
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Spring, there was a direct question regarding RVS and it ending early as well as it's merits.
A player landed a vote becaues of such.
I was giving reasoning as to why it was a legitimate and understandable stance, because I had that opinion as well.
Now I did not say that it made DGB scum, though- just that the reasoning could make sense.
I think it's important for everyone to realize how useful RVS is when coming back to re-read, it can help the town late game when trying to determine scum from a pool of less players.
Just because I have not actively looked for such connection in the past does not mean I do not believe in the theory.
It is something that I learned, and have been trying to apply in my comeback to playing this game.
But I could not link you to anything because all of the games I am playing are ongoing.
My older games when I joined the site I did not take such things into account because I was new and ignorant of how to properly play the game.
But I have taken a recent interest in mafia theory and felt the need to express my opinions on such because it did indeed feel relevant.
I even stated that I did not feel like discussing it further past a point- because I felt that is when it outlived it's relevancy. (See: My back and forth with Amrun)
You jumping on to me and claiming you don't believe my opinions and am therefore scum feels very reachy- and the fact that you suggest that I need to have expressed this in the past is a fallacy.- Brandi
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Not liking CityElectric's so far.
In post 96, Amrun wrote:I read all of those threads in question and none of them actually support what you're saying. But I believe that you're being sincere because your position makes sense for someone who has read the theory but not practiced it.
Reading RVS upon re-read is useful to see how people GET OUT of RVS. Random votes in and of themselves are rarely, if ever, useful. What IS telling is who chooses to try and get out of it, and especially how, and who chooses to prolong it, and how. Some people view the act of prolonging RVS a scumtell. For me personally, it's all in the "how."
I never said that random voting in of itself was useful. (Though it is not truly random unless you are using the dice tags.)I said the stage was.
I was saying that the longevity of RVS is good because that generally means all players get a chance to chime in, which is useful for developing reads.
Cutting that off early cuts other players off from having to be apart of that- meaning you will never get those reads/tells off of certain players.
It could hypothetically be cut off early to prevent your scum-buddies from having to make an RVS post if you don't trust them to not do something stupid.
The thread that I linked to you even make a post agreeing with my opinions.- Brandi
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followed by a series of post seemingly whining about how it's bad we have lost RVS.
This combined with the fact that you would back up a joke vote as 'a reasonable stance', I find to be off key.
Nowhere was I whining about anything.
And it did not appear to be a joke vote to me, I took it seriously.- Brandi
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Also "complaining" you keep throwing words in like that that are completely unfounded.
Nothing about my stance or opinions is that of one who is unhappy or is complaining/whining. I don't know where you're getting that from but it really feels like you are trying to misrepresent me, when in fact all I was doing was explaining why someone had a good reason for their vote.
Which by the way I still don't see how it was taken as a joke vote.- Brandi
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Spring wrote:Looks like a non serious vote to me.
Looks like a serious vote to me.
Spring wrote:Looks like complaining to me.
Well then, you're wrong and are bad at reading. I was simply stating a fact. That's it.
Spring wrote:Oh so you agree you were talking out of your behind in a theory discussion that was unwarranted, but saying it is a fallacy when I call you on it? I dunno if you are arguing with genuine blind faith or scum who just can't lose a point. In any case I'm happy I cut that venue from you.
There you go, not knowing how to read again.
No. I was not talking out of my behind. I was and AM 100% correct.
Sorry, sweetheart, it's still a fallacy. Try again. Maybe use actual logic next time. ^^
@Huntress: I think it was valid reasoning, but not a valid vote, as I don't think DGB is scum.- Brandi
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Like, here is an example for you since you seem pretty thick, Spring:
I've never been raped before, but I know for a fact that I wouldn't like to be raped.
Other people seem pretty confident that it's a pretty terrible experience.
Are you going to tell me that I need to be raped to have a valid opinion on it?
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In post 176, Brandi wrote:I'm going to be away tomorrow and possibly all of Tuesday as well, just a heads up. I may or may not find internet access while away.
probably leaving sometime after 12 PST.- Brandi
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In post 201, Amrun wrote:In post 98, Brandi wrote:The thread that I linked to you even make a post agreeing with my opinions.
Okay, now I need you to quote it. Because I have never, AND WILL NEVER, agree that moving out of RVS is a scumtell. I call absolute bullshit on this.
No. I said you agreed with my OPINIONS.
which was this:
In post 16, Amrun wrote:
I agree with this so completely that it's not even funny. Also with what LlamaFluff posted above.
Scum are the scummiest in early game, I think, but you need some flips to re-read with to really see it clearly.
Further more, you keep claiming statistics back you up, but they don't. If you find one - literally ONE - person that agrees that moving out of RVS is a scumtell, I'll drop it.
You are putting words in my mouth that were not there.
I never said this. I never said anything about moving out of RVS being a scumtell. I never said I had statistics on it.
I said that statistics showed that most scum can be caught by going back and reading the RVS.
Which in turn... would make deliberately trying to end RVS scummy- depending on the context.
And I've finally figured out what bothers me about this; going through all of this just to make a point that you don't have stances to take on Sucrose and DGB puts this all firmly into the territory of IIoA. What are your reads on DGB and Sucrose?
Also, what don't you like about cityelectric's posting?
I said that I read DGB as town. Null for sucrose at this point (I have not read anything further than this post)
and cityelectrics recent post at the time of me saying that. her vote and her reasoning.
I will catch up in a bit just got back from a friends with little to no sleep but I wanted to address this specifically before going on.- Brandi
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In post 277, Sucrose wrote:I don't know why you're still going on about that RVS vote. I tend to think you're town because I think your persistent attacking me is genuine rather than opportunistic, although that might be partly meta, and I don't have a problem with the rest of your posts.
In post 269, Brandi wrote:
I said that I read DGB as town. Null for sucrose at this point (I have not read anything further than this post)
and cityelectrics recent post at the time of me saying that. her vote and her reasoning.
How is it that you have a null on me? A page back you told Spring that you thought that aforementioned vote that I put on DGB at the end of RVS was serious. That was long after I'd clearly explained over the course of several posts that it wasn't a serious vote. Either you (should) think I'm lying or you haven't been reading the thread. Explain please.
I thought your vote was serious, yes, and I find the reasoning to vote someone for such to be town-motivated.
I said that it looked serious to me, and was believable, not that it was actually serious (as you stated yourself)
However, your play thus far hasn't really been the best otherwise. You are likely town but it's not a solid read- thus null.- Brandi
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Reading through, some interesting things:
Piggy's reaction to the "dayvig" rings genuine town
DGB's "dayvig gambit" seems like a belivable tactic when dealing with someone like piggy, who seems newbish and likely to fall for such a thing.
Post #270 highlights some good points, and I specifically agree with the snippit on Telo, I had not caught on to that earlier.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4376245
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In post 337, springlullaby wrote:In post 333, Brandi wrote:Such as: She has been tunneling on me all game for no logical reason what-soever- and has been coasting, only posting to talk about me, and not giving any real opinions elsewhere.
Scum have done this to me before.
I gave plenty of reads. Contrarily to you.
Nice to see that you are using the reflect the any points made scum tactic.
I don't believe anyone town would use words with such inexactitude.
Keep diggin your hole, scum. We'll deal with you after we deal with your buddy Telo.- Brandi
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and the next morning my boyfriend literally took my phone away from me so I couldn't worry about mafia games anymore before I got home.
I literally did not have time to check a game that is in D1 with nothing important going on and in such a massive size as this.
So no- I didn't touch this game at all. It wasn't feasibly and I'll be damned if I'll let scum use that as an excuse to misrep me.- Brandi
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Ok Huntress, you are free to go.
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vote: Telo
@Telo: No, I'm pointing you out because you are active lurking, something scum does.
I'm glad you felt the need to post when I pointed that out, though. Seems like your scum subconscious got the better of you.
I actually love getting votes- it brings out the scum because I'm pretty obv town. - Brandi
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