Micro 34: Bay Cruise Normal Mafia (Day 3- Game over)

[Baldanders]

rc what makes zoro worse than demon core to you?

i doubt the empire kill means anything since nobody wanted to lynch him

[projectmatt]

I'll have a content post tomorrow, I spent most of today finishing up some homework and tomorrow I'm actually having the class, and since I'll be done for 2 weeks I'll have free time to do this

[RedCoyote]

rc what makes zoro worse than demon core to you?

Two things:

1) The fact that he was spared twice yesterday (he went to L-1 on two separate occasions and was not lynched). I usually find this to be a pretty good indicator of a player that isn't town.
2) His overall attitude, as I described in post 175, strikes me as peculiar.

[RedCoyote]

That being said, DC is very much a great alternative in my book. In fact, I'd love to see these wagons compete with one another.

[MichelSableheart]

Hmm, rereading empire, his kill doesn't make much sense if Projectmatt is scum either. Empire was claiming a meta townread on him, when most other players hadn't given an opinion. In a game this size, pmatt would probably have wanted to keep Empire alive.

Unvote

A Zoroaster lynch really doesn't sit well with me. If Zoroaster is scum with either Demon Core, iaaun, Baldanders or pmatt, then there is absolutely no reason for them to kill empire. That kill would give Zoroaster less cover (less players who were on the lynch alive). Besides, it leaves RedCoyote alive, who has been fighting the roflcopter lynch throughout day 1 and has therefore become a strong townread to everyone, and who furthermore showed willingness rather then reluctancy to vote Zoroaster.

The only possible way in which I can see Zoroaster is scum is if RedCoyote is his scumpartner. The plan for them would be to get RedCoyote all possible towncredit, first by fighting the day 1 townlynch, then by being leading on a scumlynch. That would mean keeping players who trust RC alive, which would also explain why iaaun and me weren't targetted.

I'll have to rethink this some more, since I have no idea where to look.

[MichelSableheart]

I've given it a bit of thought, and I think I have the reason: cophunting. If scum concluded based on RC's miller claim that there was likely a cop in the game, it would make sense if they killed a player who was perceived as pro-town without standing out.

And read in that light, post #217 by Demon Core suddenly stands out. It shows the belief that miller implies cop I would expect from scum in that case, and the reactions that post get would give quite a bit of information on where that cop role could be located.

Vote: Demon Core

[gorckat]

Vote Count

zoroaster (2)

: RedCoyote, iamausername

Demon Core (2)

: Baldanders, MichelSableheart

RedCoyote

: zoroaster

Not Voting (2)

: Demon Core, projectmatt

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Day Two ends Monday, October 15, 5:00 PM EST: (expired on 2012-10-15 17:00:00)

iamausername has been prodded

Vote count corrected per Zoroaster's post below.

[Zoroaster]

Mod: There are two lynches for DemonCore on your Vote Count

[gorckat]

One for Demon and one for Core, right?

[projectmatt]

Very sorry, but I'll have to replace out.

I had no idea when I joined this game that my schoolwork would become so chaotic that I simply can't juggle intensive reading of a forum mafia game with it. I have a lot of important tests coming up and while I still have an amount of free time, I can't truthfully do more than a little bit in this game and I feel staying would only hinder my performance and the performance of the town.

Basically what I'm saying is I really need to focus on getting good grades in school and that's going to require even more of my free time, so I can't really balance this with everything else, I am sorry.

Hopefully 10 pages shouldn't be a ton to catch up on.

[gorckat]

Replacement being sought for projectmatt and feelers being out out for iamausername.

[iamausername]

fuck my internet connection

just typed a whole lot of words that have all vanished into the ether

anyway, the upshot is that demon core is not scum and zoroaster is scum, just pretend there are a bunch of persuasive arguments for why that is the case and change your votes accordingly

[iamausername]

And now he's suddenly suspicious regardless of RC's alignment? Why?

Mis-statement on my behalf. You're correct. It's more of an error in logic at this time than anything on how sure I am of RCscum.

Unvote, Vote: RedCoyote

this is a deeply unsatisfying explanation for wtf that pmatt vote came from, by which i mean it is no explanation whatsoever

why is everyone just letting this lie.

i would expect a town response of "he's scummy, but i don't want to lynch a claimed power role", but not one of "he claimed a power role? GUESS HE WASN'T SCUMMY AFTER ALL".

The problem is I didn't do that either.

and possibly Rofl if the other three don't flip as the remaining scum.

His play improved so therefore he wasn't as scummy. People passed by him.

this is a deeply implausible claim, because just look at all the (two) posts rofl made following his claim and try to imagine how that could possibly constitute enough of an improvement in play to bump him down from first to fourth on anyone's scumlist

demon core going from "zoroaster, probably town" to "eh he could be scum i guess" after receiving a role pm with no elaboration for the initial sentiment despite me asking is lynchworthy.

this is really overstating the degree to which demon core had a town read or any read at all on zoroaster in his pre-role pm posting

And read in that light, post #217 by Demon Core suddenly stands out. It shows the belief that miller implies cop I would expect from scum in that case, and the reactions that post get would give quite a bit of information on where that cop role could be located.

Vote: Demon Core

this suggests that Demon Core is scum who simultaneously does and doesn't believe that a cop exists.

post 217's (wrong) logic is that two power roles are dead with no cop -> there is no cop -> there is no miller -> RC is lying scum

since this logic requires the assumption that there is no cop, it is difficult to see anyone using it to go fishing for cops

those were the most important points i think

[Zoroaster]

this is a deeply unsatisfying explanation for wtf that pmatt vote came from, by which i mean it is no explanation whatsoever

PMatt had more votes. RC will be a tough person to lynch even if I'm sure that he's scum. That's why I switched. I realized, after Michael pointed it out, that my read on PMatt wasn't really justified until RC flipped scum. Therefore, I went back.

rofl made following his claim

Did you ever think that the claim changed the read? It's pretty risky for scum to claim a PR on D1 rather than stating what the PR was.

[gorckat]

denisatp has replaced projectmatt

[iamausername]

the question is not why you switched to projectmatt

it's why you switched

to projectmatt

capiche?

[gorckat]

Demon Core prodded.

[Zoroaster]

the question is not why you switched to projectmatt

it's why you switched

to projectmatt

capiche?

No?

[iamausername]

why him and not, say, Demon Core, who had the same number of votes, and who, unlike projectmatt, you had previously expressed any suspicion of?

[Zoroaster]

I don't think you get it iamausername. I'm very sure in RedCoyote.

RedCoyote being scum just about points 100% to projectmatt. Therefore, I believe they are both scum.

However, in realization, if we lynched projectmatt and he flipped town, that would have no basis on what RedCoyote's alignment is. If RedCoyote dies today, then my projectmatt read is all but gone.

That being said, your argument on my wanting of DemonCore's death is invalid because I said that with time clocking down on the deadline. I don't like DemonCore that much more but he's gotten to the point where I can say that I won't go on him unless you're looking for a hammer vote.

[RedCoyote]

deni and DC's replacement need to weigh in here I think. I kind of need more to go off of than just Zoro. I just don't see myself changing my read on him at the moment. So maybe the fresh eyes coming in will either notice something interesting and different or help validate one of the wagons that are currently up.

[iamausername]

If RedCoyote dies today, then my projectmatt read is all but gone.

don't think you meant to say that

[denisatp]

okay yolo swag whats up

[iamausername]

basically, read post 244 and then vote zoroaster

rest of the thread is optional really

[denisatp]

not seeing it tbh