Big Brother: Espionage (Game Over, but who won?)
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In post 142, Shiidaji wrote:In post 141, ShadowLurker wrote:i hope TBO becomes the new Jen
Oh god why
What's that supposed to mean!? *Sniff*
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In post 235, Dalek wrote:kdowns and kondi are underage...
kloud1516 doesn't drinkcuz i said so
Just saying.
Blaspheme. Blaspheme.
I'll try anything once, Dalek.
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Wow. Okay. Time to put my game face on:
I've had the chance to speak with some of you briefly about the game so far, but there are others with whom I've had limited contact at best. I'd like to open up communication with each of you to whatever degree you deem appropriate before making my nomination decision. If you have anything that you would like to discuss, feel free to PM me. I might have limited access to the Internet later, but I will try to make myself available.- kloud1516
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In post 368, T-Bone wrote:Glad I'm not in this, I'd be bashing my head against a wall.
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Before I announce my nominations I would first like to congratulate each of you for making it to the Final Four. You have outlasted ten other players to reach this stage of the game, and that feat alone is to be commended. The path to this post has been far from easy, and I anticipate that, before this round is complete,Big Brother: Espionagewill again see its fair share of heartbreak. The game soon ends for one of you, but what a ride it has been!
There is only one key to pull this week, and that key belongs to.TheBadOne
I have nominated you,, and you,Nick,[/color] for eviction this week. Both of you were aware that this would occur, and rest assured my decision was not personal. I nominated you, Nick, simply because I wanted to give one of kdowns or TBO reprieve from the chopping block. They have both faced nominations throughout the competition, and it is only fair that you sit there –– if only temporarily. You, kdowns, sit next to Nick out of my whimsical desire to uphold "tradition." When all is said and done, we can laugh about your tenure on the nomination block, continuing a joke that is now several games in the making. It has been a pleasure to play this game with both of you. I wish you nothing but the best of luck in the upcoming Power of Veto Competition, which will ultimately decide how this week progresses. With that in mind, I must also address TBO: Friend, you are far from safe. If either nominee wins PoV you will be taking his place.kdowns
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In post 703, Nicholas1024 wrote:... Really? One of the most important challenges in the entire game, and you're making it based on dumb luck?
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The map is the same one used in the original challenge, too . . . :\- kloud1516
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Last round I stood before three friends and, in a flowery speech, congratulated our access to the Final Four. As Espionage would have it, here I am again, and to say the feeling is bittersweet would be a gross understatement. I'll try to be brief here, as I realize no one really wants to sift through another wall of text from me. So where does this leave me? Where does this leave us, Nick and TBO? I dread beginnings almost as much as I fear endings, but today I start with a sincere thank you.
Personally, this moment is triumphant. I conquered my fear of the juggling challenge and didn't embarrass myself in the process. This moment is surreal, for I managed to progress through this game with unfaltering allies. Hours of chatzy conversations, AIM posts, and private message correspondence have led to this moment, the one that we have anticipated since June. Reflecting on the game is dizzying, maddening, nauseating, and a lot more -ings. Mostly, however, I am overcome with gratitude. We each took a leap of faith and look where we landed: the endgame. But this is as far as the three of us can go together. This is where our paths must diverge for the time being. Before I make my decision, I only ask that you look back on this game fondly and celebrate the journey. Thank you both. Thank you so so much.
With that said, I think it is time to make my decision official. I vote to evict you,.{Nick}
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Before casting my vote to evict, Nicholas asked that I begin my Opening Statement with a Torch Walk. To maintain the spirit of this Survivor-influenced Big Brother game, I gladly accepted, but also realized the feature would make this post extremely dense. To avoid this, I separated the Torch Walk from the bulk of this post with a spoiler. Hopefully that make things a bit easier on the moderator(s), the Jury, and audience. Please burn these messages after reading.I. TORCH WALK |
Spoiler: Torch Walk
I applied forII. OPENING STATEMENT |Big Brother: Espionagenot knowing how I'd fare, but remained confident in my ability to navigate this environment of power struggles and social nuance. Through a combination of luck, patience, and calculation, I have achieved the ultimate goal of survival, and did so in the company of phenomenal players, allies, and friends. Since June, I have worked to control my fate in this game, but today that is no longer possible. You as a Jury now hold all power. You must now analyze my gameplay and compare my journey to TheBadOne's. At the end of this process you will deliberate and cast seven coveted votes. Yours is the authority of ultimate judgement, and I hope that, after months of play, you collectively deem me most deserving of the win.
One of the largest assumptions made in this game was that if two people talked they were aligned, but this was not always the case. I crafted my gameplay to suit a social game first and a challenge game second; I always approached players with their interests in mind, explaining how their motives would be advanced through my ideas or how we could collectively prosper from a given action. I acknowledged that challenge wins, though important in Big Brother, would only hinder me down the road. The purpose of the Head of Household position and Power of Veto is to further one's own objectives, but I believe and still believe that, in this game, those two resources were poisonous to me--that they only hurt my chances of success. I fought to win only when I needed to, but also dedicated myself to consistent challenge performance. In the many rounds I didn't win, I pushed my agenda to advance myself and my allies. Throughout the game, I won four challenges to TBO's five, yes, but was almost always nipping at the heels of the victor. I played with a purpose. My victories underscore how closely I followed this game--I won both challenges that required intimate knowledge of game events. As of today, I had to remind TBO of how many challenges he'd won. This admission is not meant to belittle TBO's achievements in any way, but I hope that it speaks to our different levels of involvement throughout this game.
For me complacency was never an option. I knew that, to get to the end, I would have to excel on a strategic level. Unbeknownst to most players while playing the game (I assume this information has since been shared), I was appointed Bounty Hunter and made quick work of evicting my target, DeathNote, in a unanimous vote. Immediately following that round, one of the mods informed the Bounty Hunter Hunter, T-Bone, that the Bounty Hunter had completed his mission--effectively mod confirming that I had a Golden Power of Veto. The issue was rarely pressed to me directly, and so I took the opportunity to subtly suggest that Reck had won the Bounty Hunter position. Why Reck? With his involvement elsewhere on the site he seemed to be a logical candidate. He had the greatest number of contacts, and was therefore in the best position to win. The decision was not a personal attack. It was simply a means by which I could deflect attention from me and onto other high-profiled targets. By perpetuating the house's fear of threats to me and my alliance, I bought myself enough time to tend loose ends and set my sights on the endgame.
There is no map to outline one's way to the Final Two, and while TBO and I worked together to reach this point I believe our paths were worlds apart. Soon as the cast was announced, I began to play this game and never stopped. I knew that overt gameplay would ruin me. I would have to operate under the guise of solitude, quickly and cautiously garnering support whilst I kept an eye on early threats. From past Big Brother experiences, I knew all too well that a conglomerate or "super" alliance would implode, so instead I worked to establish a network of alliances. My social game was founded on a desire to foster relationships with players. I committed myself to developing close, genuine bonds with not only my allies, but the majority of the house. In this way I could more easily verify information coming from one source against that of another, and map out strategies more effectively. By maintaing amicable relationships I hoped to ensure my name, though likely an option, was never at the top of a nomination list. At the end of the day, however, I realize that such extensive communication forced me to make some difficult decisions. I may have hurt some of you, and for that I am deeply sorry. When judging me against my ally, please do not take this game personally. Instead, see me as the competitor with four challenge wins (three consecutively) and the player who, with the exception of CryMeARiver, not only cast a vote for every player on the round they were eliminated, but more often than not lobbied for their eviction. This supports my claim to have had influence over the events of the game and a finger on its pulse throughout.
In conclusion, I leave you all with this: I am the only player in this game to have never been nominated, but I would deeply appreciate your votes now. I meant everything I said in my Torch Walk; it was an honor playing this game with each and every one of you. I intend to answer your questions as honestly as I can. Thank you.Last edited by kloud1516 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:38 am, edited 2 times in total.- kloud1516
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In post 744, kdowns wrote:In post 699, kloud1516 wrote:You, kdowns, sit next to Nick out of my whimsical desire to uphold "tradition." When all is said and done, we can laugh about your tenure on the nomination block, continuing a joke that is now several games in the making.
When you had nominated me in the F4 you said this about me. Would you care to elaborate on this tradition?
Definitely. As I said in that statement, the "tradition" was a running joke shared not only between us, but among a few other members of the Mish Mash community. I was referring to your endearing ability to find yourself in harm's way--even when playing a great game. You were nominated five times total in this game, four of which came before I made that nomination. In Trial by Fire, you were nominated twice prior to LLD closing the game. We both know how you walked a fine line between security and peril in Survivor: Destiny Island, and even when you took steps to avoid that in Seafoam Islands there always seemed to be someone watching your every move. I wrote that explanation from a place of nostalgia, for time and again we have chuckled about the many adventures we have had since joining these games together. To others, you may be forever seen as Alakazam, one of two players modkilled. To me, however, you will always be that fun-loving, purple dragon that stuck to his convictions and battled Altair throughout the Final Tribal Council. This was the tradition to which I referred.
To Both, I had originally plan to ask this as the F4, but I am asking you to rank from Mist to you Two, who would have the greatest chance to win this game had they made it to the F2?
On a scale from 01 to 14, one suggesting the greatest chance to win, here is my list:
I don’t mean to be arrogant or pretentious when naming myself as the greatest threat in a Jury vote, but I truly believe that I am the most deserving and was one of the larger identities throughout Big Brother: Espionage. I wouldn’t be standing before the seven of you and presenting my argument if I didn’t believe that were the case.{01} kloud1516 (Me) |
Instead, see me as the competitor with four challenge wins (three consecutively) and the player who, with the exception of CryMeARiver, not only cast a vote for every player on the round they were eliminated, but more often than not lobbied for their eviction. This supports my claim to have had influence over the events of the game and a finger on its pulse throughout.
This is a lofty claim to make before an audience of peers, but I have no doubt that I can back this up with facts. I always had a plan, and I always had options on deck in case something went awry. TBO levied similar claims in his Opening Statement, but I can’t say I agree with him when he says the two of us were equally involved in the decision making process or that he managed to retain control of the game. He made early alliances, yes, but beyond Week 01 and outside me and Nick, I can’t say they were a success. Again, I can cite specific examples here, and I believe several members of the jury can vouch that I went above and beyond to do what was best for my allies and for myself.
I wouldn’t have brought TheBadOne to the Final Two if I didn’t believe he deserved to be here. He holds the record for most HoH and PoV wins, and even though he had to ask exactly what that record looked like it is an accomplishment nonetheless. As you have mentioned, TheBadOne sought––as he has in past games––to play honestly, and sometimes to a fault. TBO’s virtue is his greatest strength but also his greatest weakness. You personally benefitted from that, kdowns. I believe that I too will leave this game with a newfound respect for TBO.{02} TheBadOne |
As I mentioned in both private AIM conversations and openly in my Torch Walk, there is no doubt in my mind that Reck would have swept the jury had he made the Final Two. He came into this game with a target on his head, then proceeded to move through the game in the shadow of a voting bloc dedicated to his eviction. His perceived allies were picked off one-by-one, and following T-Bone’s elimination and his eventual sacrifice of voting power, his only chance was winning Head of Household or Power of Veto. He did. From my vantage point, Reck never stopped fighting; he pushed through a string of nominations, snagged the PoV a few times, and never seemed to lose resolve. He did most of this alone, and thus showed what a bit of dedication can do in a game like Big Brother.{03} xRECKONERx |
I don’t know how many times I argued in this game that T-Bone was a threat, but I saw it from the start. He began the game openly dedicated to sparking paranoia, won an early Head of Household, and then bided his time after you, kdowns, were kept over D3f3nd3r. The closer we got to the Jury phase, the more aggressive T-Bone became. He didn’t shy away from messaging competitors, asking for envelopes, and promising safety that he couldn’t necessarily justify. Members of the house believed him anyway. It says a lot about T-Bone’s influence that he could come to you, kdowns, the one person he pushed to evict, and made you truly consider keeping him around for a few more rounds. As a player, his threat to my game was blatant, and as a prospective finalist he would have been a force to reckon with.{04} T-Bone |
No one can deny that Nicholas as an individual is quite intelligent. He is charismatic, and has a firm grasp on the subtleties of games like Survivor and Big Brother. That is what made him such an appealing ally, and that is why his game was so entertaining to follow. Nicholas won two Head of Households and three Luxury Competitions, so his ability to perform in challenges was/is unquestionable. Adding to that, I believe he played a good social game. I don’t mean to speak for him, but I believe Nick would be the first to admit that he was somewhat distracted by Survivor: Two Worlds in the early rounds, and it shows in his minimal contact outside me, TBO, Framm, and kondi to a certain degree. That isn’t to say his social game didn’t improve later in the game, and when his social game is coupled with an unending dedication to transparency I believe he would have been an ideal finalist.{05} Nicholas1024 |
If I could summarize Framm’s play with one adjective, it would be “independent.” There were times when he struggled to please different factions {as most of us did at more than one point in the game} but he never lost himself in the shuffle for authority.{06} Framm 18 |
You found yourself in a bind Week 02, but escaped the hot seat. Had you made it to the Final 2 you would have been deserving of the win; you won two Head of Households, and in those two tenures both T-Bone and Reck were evicted. Those would have been decent points to make, yes, but again I think your social performance would have raised some doubts among jurors. You were quite the personality in the game, however, which helped to offset some lingering distaste from your game in All-Stars. Could you have gotten votes? Definitely, but I can divine how the game would have concluded.{07} kdowns |
I think my Torch Walk statement exemplifies why kondi made eight place on this list. He possessed all the drive of a winner, and caused an early buzz when he won Power of Veto in the third round. As the game continued, however, I believe kondi became less of a player and more of an observer. He was content to let T-Bone win Power of Veto Week 05 instead of pursuing it himself, and based on discussions with TBO, Nick, and Crazy, estranged himself from early game alliances. Had he continued to speak with TBO and Nick, I think the Week 07 eviction may have gone differently.{08} kondi2424 |
My sentiments for kondi are equally applicable to Crazy’s gameplay. The highs and lows can all be found in my Torch Walk; Crazy sought to establish solid alliances early on, but allowed them to wither as the game entered later rounds. I appreciated his enthusiasm when it came to challenges––I don’t think anyone can discredit his early PoV wins. As I said before, however, Crazy’s strategy appeared to be flying under the radar. It just happened that he evaded the attention for so long that he missed opportunities to keep himself safe.{09} Crazy |
Of all the competitors eliminated before the Jury, I think DeathNote took the most active role in shaping his game. For this reason, I didn’t add him to the collection below--he took the initiative to PM players, and while some of those messages did him more harm than good I appreciated the fact that he was willing to take risks.{10} DeathNote |
Getting to these players, I think any and all of them would be the least menacing in front of a Jury. For some such as Mist and D3f3nd3r, the game ended before they could promote longevity. Inactivity (or a misguided sense of inactivity) seemed to plague each of these contestants, and perhaps none more than MattP.{11-14} MattP, CryMeARiver, D3f3nd3r, and Mist |- kloud1516
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Kloud - I disagree with your torch walk assessment, especially early on in the game when deals and alliances were being formed. Explain why you felt was putting space between us because I felt it was always you who was hiding something, and other than Reck, you were the player I talked to and told the most about during the game.
As I said in my Torch Walk, I was far from innocent when it came to divulging information to you. The reason I felt disconnected to you was because of ouroddAIM conversations. I admit, this could have simply been my interpretation of impersonal, electronic discussion, but I always seemed to get the sense that you were hiding things from me. I didn't know whether you had been privy to Reck's supposed plan to backdoor me, but that doubt (and the fact that you never mentioned it) ensured I always stayed alert and held my cards closer than I would have liked. Beyond that, our chats always seemed brief, and always felt like you were handing me down commands. I read into your one-word responses and "Vote Mist," "Win HoH," "Throw this competition to me," natured messages as though you really weren't all that interested in going much farther with me. This impression wasn't shared by me alone, but I apologize if I interpreted this pattern as you being aloof as opposed to you being supportive.
Even when I discovered you were the BH, I actually didn't out you until I was in the jury house.
On the topic of the Bounty Hunter and Bounty Hunter Hunter situation, I must first thank you for not saying anything. You claimed that you wouldn't, but me being the paranoid player that I was (am), I couldn't risk having that weight handing over my head. I could only think back to Survivor 101: If someone is known to have a Hidden Immunity Idol, flush it out. I dreaded the day when someone took the chance to strip me of my added safety, and that worry propelled me to ensure silence fell.
I initially deflected your questions about it for legitimate reasons:
{01} One half of James Bond told me that my success would not be made known. When you first approached me about the topic, I assumed you were just making your rounds again to shake things up, joking, or otherwise trying to get a rise out of me. In my mind, it didn't make sense for the moderating team to let the BHH know after only one round has passed, as it exposed me and my Golden Power of Veto. I didn't want to "fess up" in the event you were joking, nor did I want to give myself away on the off chance you had some ulterior motive. Like I said above, it may not have been fair of me to regard you with such suspicion, but I did all the same.
While you were in the "mega" alliance and while I talked to people about it I always kept your name out of the conversation and made kdowns and TBO the scapegoats to those of us (kondi, Crazy, etc.) outside the alliance.
Again, thank you. That said, Crazy was well aware of my involvement with kdowns, TBO, Nicholas, and possibly even Framm--he and I collaborated extensively throughout the middle rounds of play. I had also been in communication with kondi by the time CryMeARiver was evicted, but our contact was far more irregular than with others. Even so, I appreciate your endeavors.
So, in addition to everything else I talked about tell me about how you worked for your allies, and more importantly how you just plain worked them over.
I think the fact that my closest allies made it to the Final Seven says a lot about my efforts to ensure people were protected. I could have allowed kdowns to get the boot Week 02 but didn't. I could have turned the other way when Framm threw out TBO's name as a replacement nominee (at your behest, I believe), and I could have went along with the group on those occasions when Crazy and his more renowned ego, Scizor, were suggested as a nomination.
There came a time, as it always does, however, when a voting bloc reached its limit--where we could go no farther as a group. I was nothing but open with my allies, but always kept a watchful eye over their activity. If I saw them getting too close to other players I, well,solvedthe situation. MattP's eviction was a result of this and so was yours. I wanted to position myself in the dominant alliance, yes, but I also wasn't content to go through the motions. When I wanted something to happen I argued my case ad nauseam. More often than not, I was able to convince TBO, Nick, kdowns, Framm, and even Crazy to endorse my plan of action.
If you want a specific example, let us take your eviction. Before kdowns had won Head of Household it had been agreed that you and Reck would be nominated. That maximized my/our chances of getting one of two dominant threats out of the game. This all threatened to go south, however, when you implored Crazy to save you with the PoV. He came to me and admitted he was really considering it to get "an in" with you:
Spoiler: Crazy AIM Conversation
I may not have made the announcement for Crazy, but I was also constantly in his ear about the situation. Convincing him not to use the PoV was only part of the battle, though. I still had to muster the votes. At this point, Nick and TBO were both leaning towards a Reck eviction, and kdowns had stated that he would vote Reck were there to be a tie.
Spoiler: TBO AIM Conversation
My argument to Nick was identical. At this point, I knew that Crazy was voting Reck, and that Framm would likely vote Reck over you as well. Kondi was a toss-up, but I assumed since you two had a history of saving one another with the PoV that it would come down to a 3-3 tie.
Spoiler: kdowns AIM Conversation
In a matter of hours I had convinced Crazy to leave you and Reck on the block, rallied the two votes I needed to force a tie, and also ensured that kdowns would vote to keep Reck. Before approaching kdowns, however, I decided to initiate conversation with Reck. Knowing I had the votes to keep him, I asked him if he'd keep me off the block should I manage to get the votes for him to stay. His agreement was all I needed, and thus I had made myself a shield just in case Reck won Head of Household.
Indeed, I had my individual reasons for eviction you which I have explained already, but I also sought to advance my allies. Without you in the game, TBO, Nick and kdowns were less likely to be nominated in the following rounds, and Framm was more likely to talk with Nick and I exclusively, which helped me but also ensured that players didn't get suspicious of Framm's loyalties. I had covered myself on Reck's end, and Crazy was never left in the dark about my intended vote either. In this case, I assumed showing you how intricately I planned out my moves would be far better than simply telling you. Understandably, this will be hard for you to read, but I hope you see where I was coming from in all this. I spoke honestly when explaining how I saw our relationship in this game. I may have been flawed in my judgement, but I still think some of my suspicions were well founded and that you were a threat moving forward.- kloud1516
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In post 751, Crazy wrote:Good job, both of you.
I think a great game is defined less by the moves you made and more by the lack of mistakes or flaws in your game. I want you guys to tell me what you think was the biggest flaw in your opponent's game. Or, to put in another way if you wish, what is the major thing you didbetterthan your opponent?
Thank you, Crazy.
I hope that my responses thus far--and particularly my outline of the events leading to T-Bone's eviction--demonstrate a major difference between my play and TheBadOne's play. I have approached each prompt with a clear grasp of events, noting particular weeks, detailed player records, and accounts of my interactions with other players. TBO couldn't even remember how many challenges he had personally won, and asked me to remind him who exactly was on the Jury. I think this speaks volumes of our individual paths.
To illustrate the larger picture, however, I think this question requires me to address a few points made by my ally in his opening statement and follow up answers.
TheBadOne wrote:Thanks, T-Bone. I knew this question was going to be asked. I have always tried not to be too dependent on them.Because Nich and Kloud are socially very strong players, and my style is more under the radar, every round I asked myself the question: If Nich and Kloud were not in this game, would I still be in a good position? I have done as much as I could not to be their goat, and I hope I have managed to do so.{01} That's why I made a lot of side-alliances early on.I believe that Kloud is just more outspoken as me, but I honestly don't think my entire social game was played by him or Nich.{02} Also, It's not like Nich or Kloud told me what to do every time. When a decision had to be made, we always discussed it together.
My dear friend is basing his argument on two premises. The first is that he initiated his own strategy, and did so through the formation of early side alliances. The second is that operated, to a certain degree, independently of me and independently of Nick.
{01} Yes, TheBadOne took the initiative to contact MattP, kondi, and D3f3nd3r (feel free to correct me if I am wrong on the specific players), but how successful were those relationships? Two of these three players were eliminated prior to the Jury phase, and TheBadOne agreed to vote for both on the basis that they were either inactive, distant, or a combination of the two. TBO consistently regarded the third ally, kondi, at arms length, and admitted contact with him had taken a nosedive early in the game. In this way, then, TBO took the steps to build relationships, but only propped them up with toothpicks. Indeed, they helped bolster his security in Week 01, but after that they more or less splintered and became obsolete. I, on the other hand, established and continued conversation with each of my allies until we reached the inevitable turning point of Big Brother: Espionage, a time in which allies were forced to vote out their own. TBO's efforts to control the game landed him on the block two consecutive weeks. For whatever reason, he was given reason to distrust his allies and, perhaps more importantly, provided his allies with enough doubt for them to turn away from him. I do not think demonstrates "control" of the game's early round.
{02} Again, I agree with TBO to a certain degree. Nick, TheBadOne, and Ididwork todiscussevery decision together so that we were each on the same page moving forward. Discuss. When it came time to make a bona fide decision, however, more often than not I believe that responsibility fell to me and to Nicholas. I understand TBO may argue against this claim, so let me provide a few more excerpts from our correspondence.
Spoiler: TheBadOne AIM Conversation
Or perhaps it may be prudent to highlight a few excerpts from TheBadOne's Torch Walks.
MattPMatt. I contacted you very early on about an alliance, and you gladly accepted. I thought you would be loyal to me, but unfortunately you chose not to. You became pretty inactive, and we barely talked anymore.I also heard you were talking with T-Bone, so all of these things made me decide you could not be trusted.When you were evicted you didn't even try to save yourself, you didn't even send me a message. I made the conclusion you didn't want to work with me, or you just didn't care about the game anymore. Whatever it was, I had no reason to keep you around and thus I voted for you to be evicted.
T-BoneWhen the game started, I decided not to approach you because I expect you would still be mad because of Seafoam. Initially I saw you as Reck's right hand, but you have proven to be much more than that. You were a very strong competitor, and you were definitely playing this game. You had influence over a lot of people, and later on I saw you as a big threat. Kondi vetoed you out of eviction. Crazy also wanted to take you off the block the round you were nominated, and it took me a lot to convince him not to. This shows how well you have played the game, as many people wanted to keep you around. I initially wanted to vote out Reck that round, butSo congratulations on your performance, you definitely were a big player in this gameKloud convinced meyou were playing the game more and you were much more of a threat. In retrospect, he was right. It was good we evicted you that round, because if we didn't I don't know how far you could've got.
CrazyAh, Crazy. Because Kondi suggested a 3-player alliance with the three of us, you and I started talking. After a bit about seafoam, we started talking more about the game, and I really enjoyed working with you. We've had some good conversations on AIM, and besides Kloud and Nich you were definitely my best ally.I wanted to take you even further, but at your eviction ceremony Nich and Kloud really wanted to keep kdowns and vote out you, so I couldn't save you there.I loved playing with you though, and you played a more than decent game. I hope we can play together again in future games!
From whom did TBO hear that MattP was involved with T-Bone? Who convinced TBO that T-Bone was a greater threat to his security and the security of his core alliance? Who really wanted to keep kdowns, and who failed to push his side of the issue beyond a simple concession? For all TheBadOne's successes in this game: His challenge record, his effervescent personality, and his faith in the ideal of loyalty (though somewhat compromised near the end of this game, just like mine), the fact remains that my friend attempted to control the game. In the end, however, and in his own words, he was swayed time and again. Did he contribute to the dialogue? Yes, and I cannot argue against that. As I said above though, when it came time to make the decision TBO bowed out. This is the flaw that I believe separates my play from that of my friend. I never backed down. That may help my case or harm it depending on the individual juror, but I can look back on this game and confidently say I paved my own route to the Final Two.Last edited by kloud1516 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:04 am, edited 1 time in total.- kloud1516
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Klick/kondi wrote:Describe, in detail, the week of my Eviction. Who first seriously brought up the idea of evicting me, and how did it go about happening? Try to include as many necessary details as possible for me to understand exactly what was going on from your point of view. Don't worry about me getting upset about anything at this point; I kinda expected to be gone after going missing.
This is one case in which I believe both TBO and I collectively agreed that you were a preferable choice to Crazy where eviction was concerned. For personal reasons, TheBadOne didn't trust you as much as he trusted Crazy. I will let him explain that point. In my case, however, I was choosing between you, the loose ally and information source and Crazy, who was another ally, yes, but also a friend outside the confines of this Big Brother game. I didn't work to convince TheBadOne that your eviction would be more ideal because he was already in complete agreement on that point. That said, I believe it was I that approached kdowns and Framm to secure their votes. At the time of your eviction I held the highest regard for you. I still do. Your inactivity--as you stated yourself--on top of everything else helped the house to see that Crazy deserved to stay over you.
Klick/kondi wrote:In addition, a question for kloud: Can you compare your play here to your play in Survivor: Two Worlds, before it was abandoned? (Remember that I was Chuck Norris/Extremely Photogenic Guy. I think you were O-Ren Ishii/River Song?)
I can, but I don't really know how much you can glean from comparing these two games. In my eyes, elements of Survivor and Big Brother necessitate different approaches. For Survivor: Two Worlds, however, my strategy was very simple. I sought to avoid detection, to ensure that my two identities were never linked. While doing so, it was important to establish rapport within each tribe, and to do so I approached players that I felt were both active and most willing to collaborate. This led O-Ren Ishii to confide in Bill Gates first and Chuck Norris second. On Team One, however, an alliance blossomed between River Song, Batman, and EPG.
Just as I did in this game, I worked to kindle relationships and to foster trust. All the while, Two Worlds all but required I play more enigmatically than usual. I had to keep my cards close and adopt a more varied style of play to keep my two identities separate. Though the game was cut abruptly short, I believe I achieved this goal quite effectively. This is evident by your willingness to divulge your personal findings; you managed to peg quite a few pairings and felt comfortable enough in our relationship to show me your cards. The process was slow, but before the game had ended O-Ren knew that you planned to deactivate pairs and possessed a Hidden Immunity Idol. All the while, you never seemed able to pin me down. River Song flirted her way into bed with EPG and Batman, but O-Ren took the way of the sword and the samurai code. Was I the most active player? No, but who really was once we reached a certain point in the game? In the end the game was abandoned, but I believe I was on the cusp of a breakthrough. We had each endured the Tribe Shuffle with grace, and were each--as far as I am concerned--secure in our alliances for a few more rounds.- kloud1516
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Nicholas1024 wrote:kloud, before you cast that fateful Final 3 vote, you told me that you thought you had decided on who to take beforehand, but when the moment arrived, you were reconsidering. What I'm curious about is who you had decided on before the moment of truth. If you were going to take me to F2, what made you reconsider? If you were prepared to take TBO as you ended up doing, why didn't you simply tell me that in the first place?
I believe I told you that I had a good idea as to whom I would take, and to be quite honest it changed with the day. Why? As I told you in our chatzy conversation the day I won Head of Household, the decision came down to an internal battle of who I personally thought deserved to be here more. I asked you that day how I could ever hope to choose between two phenomenal allies, and you stated that you did not envy my position. Said you knew exactly what I meant when I said that, soon as the HoH results were posted, any preconceived notions vanished. Did I take you, who favored the social game and more delicate facets of a Big Brother game? Did I take TBO, who dominated you on the challenge scale? How was I to gauge loyalty when you both never gave me reason to doubt you? What about honesty? Transparency? In my eyes, you were both equal in that regard.
I think my pause for reconsideration underscores how I valued my allies. I didn't build up your expectations so that I might take pleasure from evicting you. I agonized over the decision. That much I hope was made clear in our chatzy discussions. Had you won that final Head of Household, can you yourself say without a doubt that you would have taken me over TheBadOne? I expect not, and I believe you would have stopped to deliberate for the same reasons I did.
Nicholas1024 wrote:Finally, to both of you, I'm well familiar with the main plans we all shared and ended up executing to run through the game together. However, what I would like to know is what your backup plans were. Suppose that Reck or T-Bone won some of those crucial mid-game challenges and managed to evict myself and the other F2 contestant. If that worst case scenario happened, how would you have regrouped and moved forwards?
As my Torch Walk and responses thus far have shown, I think I would have been able to adapt had either you or TheBadOne (or, grimly, both) been evicted. I had unwavering faith in kdowns, and believe that my connections with Framm, Crazy, kondi, and even T-Bone could have bought me enough time to regroup and develop a contingency plan. I have already admitted that my suspicions of T-Bone ran deep, and justified or not I would have had to set those doubts aside for the sake of self-preservation. I also had a Golden Power of Veto in my pocket that I could have used to give myself additional room to maneuver. Should I have been nominated and not won the Power of Veto Competition, I could have still saved myself. I would have worked feverishly to avoid that scenario altogether, either by casting attention elsewhere or by facilitating discussion with the Golden Power of Veto as leverage, or an instrument to gain support.
My opening statement alluded to the fact that my only certainty in this game was that I ought to embrace the unknown. I never cut off communication with players for that reason, and constantly strove to ensure I was regarded as a prospective asset instead of a prime target. My response to T-Bone reflects one shining example of my resilience: I went to Reck knowing that I had the votes to keep him and made a deal to protect myself in the event he stayed. I found common ground with Reck. I was willing to initiate contact with the one person I feared most in this game, and did so in a way that helped to establish a mutual respect--or at least a respect on my end towards him. I hope that that alone warrants an acknowledgement of tact and heart on my end.- kloud1516
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xRECKONERx wrote:Do you think it's you? If so, why should I waste my time? If not, what specifically makes you a better choice than the other guy?
I couldn't say with certainty. All I can do is hope that you cast your vote for me. I think my detailed answers to this point make a solid case for why I am more deserving to win Big Brother: Espionage.
{01} I developed and maintained strong alliances throughout this game. While doing so, I gathered information, eliminated opposition, and helped others move forward to the best of my ability. I never stopped playing the game. From the way I answered my Diary Room questions (I never gave away too much information out of suspicions that they could come up in a "Who Wants it Most" challenge) to the approaches I took during interpersonal communication, I was always sensitive of my position in the larger house dynamic. I truly hope that shows in the way I carried myself and in the ways I influenced the tone of this game.
{02} More often than not, I upheld a certain presence in challenges; I may have only one four--three consecutively--but I also consistently finished higher in the placings. I knew that dominating the challenges would only place a larger target on my back, so instead I won when necessary and relied on social interaction to make moves when I wasn't officially in a position of power.
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TBO AIM Log wrote:TheBad One: (4:13:28 PM)I said you were the strongest player in the survey ^^
kloud1516: (4:13:34 PM)Pfft
TheBad One: (4:13:59 PM)You're pulling the strings!
TheBad One: (4:14:03 PM):p
kloud1516: (4:14:14 PM)xDD
TheBad One: (4:14:20 PM)If they ask me know
TheBad One: (4:14:23 PM)Who will win the game
TheBad One: (4:14:26 PM)I'd say Kloud
I dreaded the day when others would view me as a threat in the endgame, and if those thoughts ever came players' actions never reflected it. I tried not to give them the chance. I kept myself off the block, made risks, and enjoyed the game all the way through.
xRECKONERx wrote:Oh and as a 2nd question: were the challenges with which I was denied HoH & PoV bullshit? Do you think they were fair?
If you are referring to challenges such as the Chain Game and Burning Bridges, then yes I completely agree that the challenges were unfair. At a certain stage of the game I do not believe knock out challenges like that ought to be implemented. Nick and I both brought up the issue with James Bond at the time (others may have done so as well), but at the end of the day we could only raise concern. - kloud1516
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