The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[GreyICE]

Vote: JasonT1981

This is gonna happen eventually, might as well get it out of the way.

[GreyICE]

This sounds fun!

Vote: ICENinja

[GreyICE]

It was bad.

more of a random vote then?

Hi ICENinja scumbuddy

I know klick is kondi

And kondi is dumb and easy to mislynch

But your scumpal screwed the pooch. Bus now and we'll ignore you until tomorrow.

[GreyICE]

This post is totally fake. It also sounds nothing like his play from the one Mini game I played with him, where he was town.

This interests me. For several reasons.
1) I tend to grasp at straws to make the most well reasoned argument I can with as little evidence as possible for the purpose of getting out of RVS and building discussion, as both alignments. I suppose not every game, but I do my best.
2) As I pointed out in the signups for this game (and I should repeat here), I'm going to put less effort in to maintaining my logical steel mafia persona and play more like my own personality, due to this being a themed bastard game.
3) You're going to assume that I play exactly as I did during a mini game we played together that was probably quite some time ago? Funny man. Especially considering you're an alt, you can conveniently not make actual reference to this should you be called on it.

However, I will concede the point that, as of right now, you probably have the most solid reasoning for suspects out of anyone, and kick starting a game like that with honesty suggests you're probably more likely town than scum for now.

Unvote

.

There's something bugging me slightly about jason, but I like him pressuring for reasons for Klick's suspicions.

Konowa's vote from random to my "wagon" (one vote at the time) feels a little strange.

Vote Konowa

. Why did you switch your vote to me?

OH COME ON

LYNCH HIM NOW

LYNCH KCD DAY 2

LYNCH SHMUGEN DAY 3

FUCKING PROFIT

[GreyICE]

*twitch*

Jason

You're ignoring me.

You're also ignoring like confirmed scum here

[GreyICE]

This game is off to a quite weird start.

Kondi I remember your name but that's as much as I remember. I got pretty turned off from mafia a while ago, so I don't really remember too much about very many of the people I've played with.

I actually have plans for my Konowa vote, thank you very much. I'm waiting for a response to it.

You're also ignoring like confirmed scum here

Unless your role is insane day cop, you're a little bit too ready to lynch someone. Really looking to get day 1 over with as quickly as possible, hmm?

You got my role in one! I'm a confirmed insane day cop, and the mod says you're town!

[GreyICE]

Jason counterwagon could not actually be scummier.

[GreyICE]

Teach me your ways, Grey.

First you must be town.

This would help you.

Alas you are not.

We did rock together in Polite Mafia though~

[GreyICE]

Do you really think someone will misread when you are using full names? Why did you feel the need to point that specifically?

It was RVS vote, I felt it was obvious. Perhaps context of the pregame topic would help explain this, I made a comment explaining how I've been called GreyICE quite a few times throughout the past year or two and I dreaded the game where I'd actually play with him, for this reason. It was really no different than your vote for Sixty.

Jason counterwagon could not actually be scummier.

Looks like Grey is grumpy that his quicklynch didn't go through.

I'm a little torn about CKD's recent posting. I'm finding myself having a very difficult time following him. I'll be heavily scrutinizing his play.

I don't mind the jason wagon, but I won't be joining just yet.

Still waiting for a response to my vote. The longer I wait, the more suspicious I'll get.

Oh I can lynch scum the slow way too, Ninja~

[GreyICE]

Exactly how is jason playing in favor of the town, greyICE?

Didn't say he was helping the town.

You need to read better, little Pidgey

[GreyICE]

You're wrong, Grey. Town.

So many lies

[GreyICE]

okay just one lie

[GreyICE]

Which one? You being wrong, or me being town?

Yes

[GreyICE]

Yeah I agree with Konowa, regarding Komor. Might be a little OMGUS from my part but his point of me is lulzworthy. "y u no genuine!"

Already caught 2 scum, doing well this game.

FLP: People that come in, leave what appears to be a serious vote, and leave without saying anything at all, weird me out.

You have no followup to my answer to you?

Really?

I have some for you then.

Vote: Pidgey

[GreyICE]

Alright, so after re-reading with ICEninja's failure to recognize votes on him as serious I'm more null on him. I think scum would've been more self-concious.

Jason's "L-1 gambit" in and of itself is not bad. It's the complete lack of any follow through with said reaction test. Seems more like just a justification for his behavior.

unvote;
Vote: jasont1981

Still don't understand Kimor's opening post regarding votes on kondi. Please follow through on this Kimor. You later explaination seems more as a chastisement of people getting down on kondi for being kondi, whereas your opening post reads more as you calling people scum for calling kondi being kondi.

What the hell is up with this wagon?

It literally makes no sense to me.

[GreyICE]

Actually fuck this.

ICENinja's response to pressure is to switch his vote THREE MOTHERFUCKING TIMES.

And now the people who speed voted him for being OBVIOUS SCUM are coming in to jump on the Jason wagon with the worst reasoning ever.

Vote: ICENinja

We will do this.

[GreyICE]

Grey, I don't understand your trepidation about the Jason wagon? His "I did it for the LOLS reaction/discussion test" with lack of follow through is common scum motivation.

Please read one of these games:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21612
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22552

I'm tired of dealing with Jason day 1. It's boring, it's not finding us scum, and I think he's as tired of it as I am.

He always acts like this. ICENinja is actual scum. I'd rather lynch actual scum than someone who always plays scummy day 1 and is not a VI. Jason will either start giving a shit about this game sometime midway through day 1, at which point he's town, or he'll try to fake it really obviously, at which point he's scum.

[GreyICE]

Jason, I'm on the fence about whether or not I believe you. Do me a favor and briefly describe your relationship with Harry Dresden for me.

I'm feeling a bit discouraged about this game. Usually by this point in time, my scum hunting and pressuring is leading town towards a lynch. In fact, I'm typically one of the biggest driving forces behind the day 1 lynch. However, this game it just seems off. A point that I felt so sure about is turning up with nothing.

I'm going to read the game over tomorrow, hopefully with a little less bias this time around. Hopefully I'll get something fresh.

For the time being I'm going to

unvote

, as I'm obviously getting nowhere with my Konowa line of reasoning.

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

"I'm discouraged, that's why I'm less active!"

Really scumbag? Really?

[GreyICE]

Wow in rereading the game I realized how horribly bad Grey's pushes on me have been. Take a look at how Zdenek, and to a lesser extent, Kortul scum hunted me. They scrutinized my posts, analyzed everything I said, and formed their opinions as a result. Even Klick, who more or less just mindlessly pounded on me for a couple pages, had some reasoning behind it. Zdenek and Kortul have both played thus far to a town win condition.

Grey's "scum hunting" of me almost literally boils down to "HURR HURR HE'S SCUM LYNCH HIM NOW!".

I would also like to REMIND everyone that in post 173, Grey made this outright false statement:

ICENinja's response to pressure is to switch his vote THREE MOTHERFUCKING TIMES.

I've only placed three votes so far, and the first one was placed before there were votes on me. This isn't even misrepresentation, it is outright lying.

two posts later I call him out on it. He fails to respond, and posts about other things.
later down the same page I call him out on it again. He

still

has not responded.

In his most recent post, Grey also made a potentially HUGE slip:

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

Scum having daytalk is not a common power for scum to have. The only reason I could possibly think of why you'd assume this is because you know for a fact that scum have daytalk and slipped.

There isn't a shred of town motivation to this guy attacking me.

I'm still pretty suspicious of Konowa. Both Pidgey and Shmugen are making me twitch a bit, but I'm having a hard time putting my finger on why. I'll look at them in more detail soon. Jason is either telling the truth about his claim or he is freaking brilliant. ABR and Sixty seriously need to start playing, Klick needs to get in here and make some new content, and why greenknight doesn't have an avatar at this point literally boggles my mind. The only explanation I can think of is, as I previously said, he isn't reading the thread.

I'm actually pretty confident right now that Grey is scum.

Vote GreyICE

.

Oh dear, I was going from memory. I remember you panicking and switching your vote a lot.

But you're not trying to lynch scum. You're trying to discredit my arguments. You seriously don't think you can get a wagon started on me. You just think your vote will somehow make it harder for me to wagon you.

It won't.

MORE ICENINJA VOTES NOW

[GreyICE]

@ICEninja

- regarding 210, read Grey in Dr. Who game, for example.

Kortul

Stop appeasing scum

Start voting for em

[GreyICE]

Oh dear, I was going from memory. I remember you panicking and switching your vote a lot.

Oh alright, so on the 3rd time I call you out on this and throw down my vote, "oh whoopsie". Nope. You could have so easily said this the first time, so easily said this the second time, too late to pull that shit.

You called me out. For what? Faking a role claim? Claiming an impossible power role result? Misclaiming flavor?

Nah. You called me out for saying you panicked and switched your vote three times when you actually panicked and switched your vote twice.

And this is scummy because...

Oh wait, it's not. You're not scumhunting. You're just trying to put me on the defensive. Better men than you have tried, kid~

Completely happy with my vote.

[GreyICE]

Sorry, but this is still bothering me..
GreyICE, can you please explain what you meant by his statement?
it seems like a contradiction to me...

And now the people who speed voted him {Icenin} for being OBVIOUS SCUM are coming in to jump on the Jason wagon with the worst reasoning ever

also,

Then I believe your claim. Morty would would be town aligned, a neutral survivor at WORST, and you described him without being familiar with the series. It was a trick question, sparked by your not knowing what an ectomancer is.

don't mean to burst your bubble about Jason, but seeing as this is an MOI game, I would certainly think that scum have full fake-claims complete with fake role pm’s and abilities. Not sure how Jason’s ability would be provable either.

My post was made before Jason's herpaderp claim, as I recall. I don't remember saying I gave a shit about role claims anywhere.

[GreyICE]

Need a summary post...or it will take me a long time to catch up.

Vote ICENinja.

Lynch scum day 1.

Party.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE
huh? read my post, I was talking to ICEnin about the role-claim issue...

my question to you had nothing to do with Jason's role-claim.
I wanted you to explain what you meant by your statement. From what i understood, you were saying that votes on Jason were just as bad as the votes on ICEnin . Which obviously doesn't make sense if ICEnin was your scum pick.

ICENinja is obvious scum. Read the first few pages. People jump on.

First opportunity when they see the momentum isn't going to hold, they jump off for Jason, who did basically nothing scummy (obstinate? Yes. Obstinate town? Yes).

Are these his scumbuddies who would rather be on the wagon of their buddy if it looks like he's busy screwing the pooch (which he is and was) and then jumped ship for Jason ASAP because scum lynch day 1 sucks? Yes. Guarantee you that that will be fertile ground for lynching when ICENinja is flipped scum.

[GreyICE]

Seriously, look at this list:

ICENinja (8) - Zdenek, Konowa, Sixty, StefanB, kortul, GreyICE, Klick, fatlikepig
ICENinja (5) - Zdenek, Sixty, Klick, GreyICE, Konowa

Jumped ship: Fatlikepig, StefanB, Kortul

Which ones of these do you have good feelings about? Kortul's pretty much outed scum if ICENinja is red, and the other two are bad.

Yes, I'm sure he has buddies who are not posting or just off doing their own thing or whatever, but I think you can dunk ICENinja and Kortul, then go back and clean up Shmugen and CKD (who is now AWOL) and get probably 2-4 scumflips (and I'm leaning at least 3).

[GreyICE]

What the shit? I didn’t catch this before…Grey, why do you think this game has day talk?

vote GreyIce

this looks like a slip to me.

When ICENinja flips scum I'm hanging you from the rafters. Fuck Kortul, you die.

[GreyICE]

Wait, can someone explain in simple terms what the potential slip Grey did is?

Apparently ICENinja's scumbuddy thinks that because I referenced a quicktopic that I know scum have daytalk because I'm scum, and that therefore I was criticizing ICENinja for not posting in our joint QT enough. Or something. It didn't make much sense, and this is the second time CKD has shown up to vote for a counterwagon to ICENinja without saying a goddamn thing about how ICENinja is playing.

Then there's this:

also

unvote

random vote.

He probably should just be lynched for that alone, tbh.

[GreyICE]

"Oh it's just a random vote, tee hee, don't mind me, I'm just being inoffensive.
Oh my scumbuddy is being wagoned, don't mind me, I'll just vote Jason because 'scummy to complain about how others are voting, when you are voting the same person that the people you are complaining about voted.'"
Oh he's still being wagoned, and no one is on Jason anymore? Wait, and people are going after my buddy? BETTER GRAB THE CHAINSAWS PEOPLE, I'M GONNA CHOP FOR HIM!"

Hey, CKD, you realize you haven't ONCE said ANYTHING about ICENinja. At all. Apparently you haven't even read his posts. Why don't you rectify that, ckd? Tell me what you think of his posts, ckd? Why is he such a strong town read that you're willing to chainsaw so heavily for him, ckd?

[GreyICE]

"Oh it's just a random vote, tee hee, don't mind me, I'm just being inoffensive.
Oh my scumbuddy is being wagoned, don't mind me, I'll just vote Jason because 'scummy to complain about how others are voting, when you are voting the same person that the people you are complaining about voted.'"
Oh he's still being wagoned, and no one is on Jason anymore? Wait, and people are going after my buddy? BETTER GRAB THE CHAINSAWS PEOPLE, I'M GONNA CHOP FOR HIM!"

Hey, CKD, you realize you haven't ONCE said ANYTHING about ICENinja. At all. Apparently you haven't even read his posts. Why don't you rectify that, ckd? Tell me what you think of his posts, ckd? Why is he such a strong town read that you're willing to chainsaw so heavily for him, ckd?

sure I will reread him....noticed you didnt comment on your scum slip and reason for my vote.

what makes you think scum have day talk? if I looked at your past 3 games, did the scum in those games have day talk?

Why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk?

I was talking about him being scum, you dumb shit.

I like how ICENinja has jumped on this now too.

CKD/ICENinja.

Two scum flips.

Do it.

[GreyICE]

I don't get where flp thinks CKD alignment is independent of ICEninja.

The wagon hop looks bad irrespective of whether or not he's defending a scumbuddy.

This man is town, folks.

[GreyICE]

Updating from page 11

Why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk?

I was talking about him being scum, you dumb shit.

Wait a minute? Are you now denying that you were mentioning daytalk?

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

"I'm discouraged, that's why I'm less active!"

Really scumbag? Really?

then enlighten me, what did this mean? when you say "it is hard to scumhunt, when you are trying to track down the people in your QT" when the fuck is he trying to scumhunt? at night?

BULLSHIT..

Yes, CKD.

When I said "track down the people in your quicktopic" I was referring to daytalk.

AND NOT THE FACT THAT EVERY SCUMTEAM ON MAFIASCUM GETS A GODDAMN QUICKTOPIC THAT THEY CAN CHAT WITH THEIR SCUMBUDDIES IN.

Can you link me to some games where you go full herpaderp, or is this your scumclaim?

[GreyICE]

Right, Grey. So all scum teams get a QT. So how could you be implying that I'm trying to track someone down, in my QT, during the day, without having daytalk?

You can't come here and claim that you meant talk to him at night, because that would be in direct contradiction to your slip.

Let's really look at the original slip:

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

This was in direct response to me saying how I needed time to re-read the thread. I said I would post the next day. You

very very clearly here imply that I'm waiting for someone in my QT to help me out

. You can not possibly deny this statement, and if you do I swear town better lynch you on the spot.

So. Care to try again, Grey?

So your implication here is that scum won't get quick topics until night 1 and that right now you have no idea who your scumbuddies are?

You are aware that you and CKD are the only people in this game who think this, right?

At this point I think the scum really do have day talk, and you've cooked up this plan to show off the "ultimate scum slip" to try and put me on the defensive. Which is not going to work.

What do you think of CKD, ICENinja? What do you think of ninja, CKD? You two are busy fellating each other in thread, but you have no opinions on eac others alignments?

And you two want me to believe you're both town?

Bullshit. I will avatar bet with anyone who wants to that at least one of you fucks is scum, and if you both flip scum my surprise level would be a fat fucking zero.

ICEninja, explain the exact slip now, in your own words, not the words of your incompetent scumbuddy.

[GreyICE]

In post 194 I made this comment:

I'm feeling a bit discouraged about this game. Usually by this point in time, my scum hunting and pressuring is leading town towards a lynch. In fact, I'm typically one of the biggest driving forces behind the day 1 lynch. However, this game it just seems off. A point that I felt so sure about is turning up with nothing.

I'm going to read the game over tomorrow, hopefully with a little less bias this time around. Hopefully I'll get something fresh.

Then in post 200 you made this comment:

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

"I'm discouraged, that's why I'm less active!"

Really scumbag? Really?

Since you're obviously too slow to understand the interaction we have (I don't buy that shit, I don't believe anyone can really be THAT dumb), I got discouraged and promised to reread the game next day. You come back and make the comment that I can't seem to scum hunt without help from people in my quick topic.

So, playing along with you really not understanding the implications of this, you

very very clearly

implied that I was currently asking for help in my quick topic and not receiving it, and would therefore be inactive until the next day.

Actually you dumb fuck, what I said was that you were having problems on HUNTING the people in your quicktopic.

I don't think there's a rats chance odds on someone as pigheaded, stubborn, and brick stupid as you ever taking ADVICE from anyone on the planet. Dear god. If there is daytalk your scumbuddies are probably screaming at you for your dickwad stupidity... wait, one of them came up with this "brilliant" scumslip.

No, you waste of meat, it's hard to scumhunt YOUR MOTHERFUCKING SCUMBUDDIES. That's the basis of most fucking scumhunting - finding places where people's interactions seem fake.


ALL YOUR FUCKING INTERACTIONS SEEM FAKE

You've used this "scumslip" as an excuse to tunnel on me while doing jackshit.

You fucking stupid herpaderps are both getting lynched, and I will laugh as you and CKD die and take your stupid scumteam's chances of winning with you.

[GreyICE]

StefanB 314 wrote:
Tierce/Vi: Why is GreyIce scum again? Any other reads???
Wait, so you're going to cast all of your votes as shameless wagon hops on the flavor of the day (literally! every last one of them is on someone who had just been called out within three previous posts), post THIS gem of a leading question--
StefanB 75 wrote:
Jason: No reason for the L-1, do you do that just for fun or was that to rescue, IceNinja/bus in a gamble?
"twich"
--and then call us out for not posting anything immediately after Shmu does?

Well, as it turns out, we DO have another read for you
A memo for your future scum games - don't poke sleeping puppies.

Vi

This does not feel like you're town

Vi

I'm worried

Normally you admit when you're playing bad

And you're playing pretty bad

So why the sudden overdefensiveness?

[GreyICE]

Woof? What gave away that it was me? It was the "dahling", wasn't it. I have to get my idiosyncrasies from somewhere, even if it is Zsa Zsa.

Anyway, we can talk when
1) any post from us is considered "sudden", especially after a three-day absence
2) answering a question quite honestly about things that don't really have much to do with us is "overdefensiveness"
3) you draw a Town Role PM, which would lead you to actually check or maybe even read what we posted

It could be a while though, mostly because of that last one.

Ooh, stealing my lines and using them against me. Don't think I don't see that.

Sadly you just do not have the style and

je ne sais quoi

to pull it off dahling~

I'm as town as it gets

[GreyICE]

Actually you dumb fuck, what I said was that you were having problems on HUNTING the people in your quicktopic.

Well shit, you could have said that 14 posts ago, and not been literally the biggest asshole I've seen in 20 something games here. I still say it looks like you meant I was looking for help from people in my QT, considering the context of me saying I'd post the following day.

My other points on you stand. You're still scum, especially considering how easily you could have made yourself clear there.

You don't even have an excuse to tunnel on me while doing jack shit, by the way. You're still scum.

And since I've actually turned in to an asshole while responding to you, I will refrain from any further comment regarding, or responding to you, unless it actually contains content. Because you've pretty much not actually given me any content to work with, and I'm tired of pointing out to everyone that your argument on me isn't a far cry from a monkey jumping around shouting "HE'S SCUM LYNCH LYNCH LUNCH", which hasn't actually resulted in me making any advances in proving your scumminess.

I'll be looking at other players in further depth now that I'll not be wasting my time talking to someone who is borderline incoherent.

Oh no, I didn't make myself clear when the point was unclear to exactly TWO PEOPLE IN THE GAME. Even Vi didn't want to touch that one with a 10' pole.

But I'm still scum because of your other point which... tell me again? You seemed to be doing the scumslip dance with your partner in slime CKD.

[GreyICE]

So ICEninjas entire post is a long, whiny diatribe where he lies about me not having reasons for voting him and basically spends the entire thing insisting I don't have a case, and ends with "and that's why Grey is actually scummy, not this bullshit 'scumslip' that I spent the last 6 pages on.'"

Why wasn't this scumbag lynched on page 3? Seriously, how is he still fucking alive? Come on town, lets lynch scum today. Scum, start voting for your buddy or we start taking apart the shitty Jason wagon to figure out whose scum on it ( HI ICENINJA)

[GreyICE]

gogo kimor

If I'm joining a wagon for being big, it's CKD

What do you think of him, Albus B Rumpage?

[GreyICE]

Why is this more worthy of attention than the points we have raised so far, which you have by and large ignored?

Because your case on Grey right now is really just, "Grey is scum", and there's nothing else I take issue with.

You mean he's

not

scum? o:

There's not a lot to explain. His pushes on ICEninja and ckd have basically been attacking his attackers while capitalizing on the dumb things they've said. He's twisting everything they've done into scumtells even when it's implausible to do so, and if GreyICE were Town he would actually be considering the existence of life outside his little tunnel.

But more urgently, since you've changed your avvy, NOW what are we supposed to call you?

Uh, Vi, would you like to take a second to review your answer before you type it?

I was pushing ICENinja from LONG before he mentioned me. Aeons before. I think I wanted him dead from page 3. He eventually came about to attacking me - attacking his attacker. Are you aware of this, Vi?

As for CKD. Yes. His sole contribution to the game is to attack me with the worst "scumslip" ever found in mafiascum history. That's pretty sad. You even claim to not believe it. While supporting him and ICENinja of course. Are you saying that you think he's town?

Would you like a second to come up with a better reason for your vote?

P.S. Someone once told me that "the people attacking you are a fertile lynching field." She's gone now, but the advice remains actually fairly solid.

Edited for language issue.

[GreyICE]

I am suspicious of our puppy, because I should have this as null, imposible to read , but as townie-town (even if they are scum)

This is harder to understand than most.

Are you saying that you should have us as null and yet have us as obvTown?
Why should you have us as null? It seems things are working as they should--we are Town and you are reading us as such, so what is there to be suspicious about?

Or are you saying you should have us as obvTown and are instead reading us as null?
If so, you're not trying hard enough. Read our posts.


GreyICE is still full of etc. When Town, GreyICE actually shows some semblance of reasoning. Unlike some players who do it regardless of alignment (MoI and Thor for one), Grey-Town does not argue just to win arguments. The way he is behaving around ICEninja in particular is especially indicative of this, as he keeps distorting everything ICEninja says as having scum intent, when it is very clear, should he back off for a moment (which Town Grey does, that :ANGER: is a pretty façade), that ICEninja is several levels of obvTown out of his element.

This pretense at righteous tunneling is all levels of fake and makes our little nose twitch in severe disapproval. We can hang him from a leash, if people are unwilling to provide the rope.


PEdit: Hi there. Have we mentioned you're Town? Thanks for making that clearer just now. ^_^

Hey Vi, did you notice that your "case" on me was FACTUALLY INCORRECT?

I know you now want to get down to the "touchy feely" but I'm not buying it.

What is your read of CKD btw? I notice that you're talking a lot about the person who you "think is town" and not my other scum read, who happens to be one of the leading wagons.

Tell me, Vi, what is your read on CKD?

[GreyICE]

Tell me, Vi, what is your read on CKD?

He thinks your attacks on CKD are faked. I lump you in with iceninja in the scummy department, but not as much as Kimor yet.

What about CKD makes you think he's scum?

What about his play makes you think he ISN'T?

His one contribution to the game is a "scumslip" that no one with half a brain cell seems to be buying, and he's lurking up a storm.

But more to the point, Albus, you answered a question with a question. Nice deflection.

Throw ABR into the "would lynch today" pile.

[GreyICE]

Throw ABR into the "would lynch today" pile.

I would lynch you too, but not today.

This doesn't explain why you think CuriousKarmaDog is town.

You're deflecting, little rampage.

[GreyICE]

He's not confirmed town, but you suspect him because..."he doesn't post much content, except that one thing that isn't very good". It's Day 1. Give CKD a break, wow. Kimor is genuinely scummy and it's been well documented.

I don't see it.

I see him posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game. CKD posts junk. You post nothing. ICENinja posts scummy junk that amounts to nothing.

If anything, the quick unvote-revote is something I see more often from Town. Scum are the ones who tend to stick out their early game votes.

[GreyICE]

Albert.

"He didn't post any content, except for one thing, which was truly awful."

Is this a good reason to be voting someone?

Because I assure you, I will collapse onto that wagon, long before I hit a wagon that looks like this:

Kimor (5) -

Albert B. Rampage,

kortul,

Konowa,

StefanB,

Shmugen

That wagon, that scares me.

Shmugen went from voting me. To voting CKD. To voting Kimor. Without bothering to call any of us town. Ye gods, he went from calling me scum, to going "GreyICE has a point" to going "Well, CKD has produced nothing, but yeah, I don't need to vote him."
You're posting garbage, and are absolutely the sort of ballsy player who would let the scum flag fly day 1 with the thought you'll get out of it day 2+.
Konowa... giant question mark.

[GreyICE]

Vi, the name in my first quote that you ADDED was clearly CURIOUSKARMADOG

NOT KIMOR

Are you even reading at this point
And people accuse me of derptunnel

[GreyICE]

You're judging Kimor based on who's voting instead of your assessment of his play, which is less than fair, GreyICE.

His play is a damn sight less awful than a number of other people. Offhand, I'd rather lynch ICENinja, CKD, and Shmugen before him. There's probably others if I went through and compiled a read list.

Then there's a number of people voting him who are not what I would call "solid town reads."

No, not particularly interested in voting there.

[GreyICE]

Vi, the name in my first quote that you ADDED was clearly CURIOUSKARMADOG

NOT KIMOR

So it is. Whichever.

We're still confused about the second quote.

I see

[Kimor]

posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game.

What the hell is "valuable"?

Look at this, Vi:

Alright.

#1) I have said my piece regarding the Klick confusion. If you choose to vote for me, fine, but there is nothing else that I can say to address it.

#2) I really don't like this slip case. It's pretty terrible. I don't see how it indicates his alignment whatsoever, and I feel that the implication is something that would be general knowledge to most players.

#3) Kortul's renewed attack on me looks very weak. He's attacking someone with lesser activity for something that is clearly not alignment-based. As scum, what benefit would I have from misreading the game? Why would I be more likely to do it as scum or not? Note, this is not WIFOM because I am not saying that I am *town* because of it - I am saying that it is a null tell at best, and is largely a product of the fact that I have been busy. However, if you notice, he *only* pipes in with that, without really giving much substance other than, "I doubt that anybody could miss that."

Well, I did.

Imagine that.

Why does it make me scum?

Overall, I am happy with my vote. My only hesitation is that, if my case is correct, I would have expected Kortul to be on the GreyICE wagon, and he is not.

It's content!

More content than the other people named have added to the thread (well ICENinja has spent a lot of time whining at people for voting for him. And then OMGUSing me. And then scumplaining. But nothing town came there).

[GreyICE]

I'm okay with being a counterwagon to CKD-scum

Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

Lets make this happen.

Me or him, lets go.

[GreyICE]

I don't have the time or energy for MS right now. I need a 1 week VLA. If you want to replace me, go ahead