In post 67, Demon Core wrote:Did doomyoshi draw vig and end up misvigging every night? Is that why he has a bad attitude toward the role?
Or he could be like me and just realizes a "small chance high upside - medium chance high downside" role shouldnt be used.
Leafsnail wrote:
That sounds about right. If vig falls into the hands of a poor player it may actually have a worse than random hit rate because they'll go after their incorrect suspicions that the town doesn't agree with them on.
That wouldnt explain my data though. Its far more common than not for the vig to be worse than random, so claiming this means you claim that the average player is worse than random. Hero vigs are an issue, but the bigger issue is that you are skipping a few major aspects of the lynch that make it better than a vig kill. There is no claim, no wagon, no tells during votes... I think we all have wagoned someone and then suddenly went "oh yeah they are town" due to something that happens. Vig removes any chance of that.
I would bet vig actually hits PRs at same rate as scum. Even if you want to be nice and say "choose one setup"
Setup A: 10x VT, 1x Named Townie, 2x Goon
Setup B: 10x VT, 1x Named Townie, 2x Goon - One player a night randomly dies, 80% chance this player is town, NT cant die
Which would you rather have