MeMeMeet Mafia (Game Over!)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hey all, Pooky is here, I got yo backs. Don't worry about nothin'. If any meanies try to get you I'll be there.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Heh...so I'm playing as MoS? How do I roleplay being Mos?

As a proper English gentleman.

confirm

obv obv

[Mastermind of Sin]

MGIA, just tell us who your scumbuddies are and we won't lynch you today, ok? That's a pretty good deal if you ask me.

Mith, I got yo back. *huggles*

[Mastermind of Sin]

Mith, while we're waiting, let us begin the Adventurer's Cup Rock-Paper-Scissors Grudge Match II and get some more points. MoS, here's a deck of cards, you can go play 52 card pickup. You might actually win!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Didn't you people learn anything from past experience? The Quagmire Plan has a much highest success rate than the MoS Plan!

VOTE: Quagmire

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pooky and Yoko were scum together in the first mafia game at MeMeMeet, you know... :scared:

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pooky and Yoko were scum together in the first mafia game at MeMeMeet, you know... :scared:

An interesting coincidence. Also it was the two of them that won the game.

yeah o.O

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh, Pooky? You're worried about being sold out for points?

LoL, I was thinking the same thing!

[Mastermind of Sin]

As tempting as spork is, I'm getting protown vibes from him at this point. I'll have to look back at the people pushing his wagon, because something seems to be more than just the ritual wagoning of spork for being wierd.

I'll be out of town for the next 6 days or so, btw.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow, a lot has happened since I left on vacation. Unfortunately, I think both Atticus and Spork are acting pretty normal, at least consistent with my MeMeMeet experiences. Fletcher is giving me vibes, but I'm not sure whether they are good or bad vibes. It's kinda in the middle. However, the wierd thing for me is that I usually don't even notice Fletcher when I play with him, and he's pretty much always protown in those instances. Therefore, even though it's not much to go on, I will:

unvote: Quagmire, Vote: Fletcher

FoS: Quagmire

Why did your last post call out Fritzler, but not say anything about Spork's claim or Yosarian2's unfounded (at the time) assertion that Spork was almost certainly innocent?

[Mastermind of Sin]

well this is interesting...I was thinking that perhaps Yosarian2 is scum confirming someone that he's pretty sure was telling the truth, but I didn't think he would be gutsy/dumb enough to protect his scumbuddy that much on Day 1...Thesp's vague counter to Yosarian2's assertions doesn't really convince me to give up on Fletcher, though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

yeah, i think you are, since neither Yosarian2 or spork has said that the other is the one they have to get more points than.

[Mastermind of Sin]

The downside is that Yosarian2's role has NO ACTIVATED ABILITY. His role is passive right now, so all you've done is CONFIRM HIS CLAIM. We should in no way be lynching him right now. The fact that pooky was willing to follow such crappy reasoning worries me. Pooky is intelligent enough to realize the huge flaw in your attack on Yosarian, but instead of pointing it out like he usually would do, he contents himself with hopping on the bandwagon with you.

FOS: Pooky

I'll keep my vote on Fletcher for now, but if enough people are willing to go for Pooky before the deadline I'll switch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote Count:

9 to lynch.

Thesp: 1 (MeMe)
Yosarian2: 1 (Thesp)

Why was Thesp allowed to vote for a dead person? O.O

Interesting that both people killed were off of Fletcher's wagon. That being said, I'm pretty sure that at least one of the killers was someone NOT on his wagon, since the safer play would be to leave people on the wagon alive so there are more suspects, since some of the scum were surely on his wagon.

Player - # of posts - Person they were voting at day end
Atticus - 30 - Fletcher
Dirge - 14 - Thesp
Fishbulb - 11 - Fletcher
Fritzler - 18 (surprisingly) - Fletcher
Ibaesha - 8 - Atticus
Jeep - 7 (vacation time, though) - Fletcher
Kristoker - 9 - Fletcher
Mastermind of Sin - 13 - Fletcher
Maverick - 3 - No one
MeMe - 24 - PookyTheMagicalBear
mlaker - 16 - Fletcher
Mr_Gnome_It_All - 7 - spork76
PookyTheMagicalBear - 11 - Fletcher
Quagmire - 7 - Fritzler
spork76 - 13 - No one
Thesp - 23 - Yosarian2

Only 7 alive were not voting Fletcher, and I believe spork and Thesp's claims. That leave us with Dirge, Ibaesha, Maverick, MeMe, and Mr_Gnome_It_All. I have a relatively good feeling about MeMe right now, and Maverick hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on him.

Therefore, I'll

FoS: Maverick

for being a huge lurker, but the person I have the worst gut feeling about right now is Dirge, so I'll

vote: Dirge

and go from there. Ibaesha, MGIA:

IGMEOY

[Mastermind of Sin]

One question I would like answered by all those who are voicing suspicion of Thesp. What reason could he possibly have to act this way as scum? And don't give me any wifom crap, either. I want a solid answer as to why scum would act this way, not a copout that redirects the question back on me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

The only reason I made the stipulation that you couldn't make that sort of statement is that so often I get into arguments like this, and the only defense is to turn around and ask the same question back. If you can't think of a reason for someone to do something as scum, and you can't think of a reason for someone to do the same thing as town, that doesn't automatically make them scum. I just wanted to avoid a lot of posts playing ring-around-the-rosy until we all fell down without accomplishing anything. That said, I'd like to hear from Dirge if he has anything to add, since he seems to be the other main proponent against Thesp.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Whoo! Everyone in my car. It has plenty of room, seriously.

At this point, my biggest gut feeling is on Mastermind of Sin. And I'm not joking this time. I tend to get scum vibes when someone orchestrates our next lynches for us.

Only 7 alive were not voting Fletcher, and I believe spork and Thesp's claims. That leave us with Dirge, Ibaesha, Maverick, MeMe, and Mr_Gnome_It_All. I have a relatively good feeling about MeMe right now, and Maverick hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on him.

Therefore, I'll FoS: Maverick for being a huge lurker, but the person I have the worst gut feeling about right now is Dirge, so I'll vote: Dirge

and go from there.

Ibaesha, MGIA: IGMEOY

I don't get how the voting makes this so obvious, and I don't like having to go through his list of people that he's set up for us. If he is scum, then he would've presented whatever common thread he needed to make a batch for us to focus on ignoring scum buddies. I always like to keep all options open, not narrow it down to a handful that we have to pick from and go down the list when they don't hold up.

I know that MoS just plays that way, at least from what I saw at MeMeMeet, but it still bugs me.

It's not like I said there weren't scum on the Fletcher wagon. In fact, I specifically said that there probably were. I just felt that since I was even more sure that there was someone NOT on that wagon that was scum, and the list was smaller, I have a better chance of catching scum if I start off by looking at that list. If you want to go through and take a look at everyone that was on that wagon and try to narrow that list down, be my guest. I simply feel there's too much room for error with that large of a list, so I'm opting for the easier-located scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I definetely agree with Fishbulb. When a player starts orchestrating a lynch it seems to me that even if they are town they could be wrong and we could follow their guidance and end up lynching wrong. And if the leader is scum we are just falling into their trap. Especially MoS who does not mind throwing his fellow scum under the bus as we've seen from MeMeMeet. I know ibaesha has heard me say these things before. Leaders seem very scummy to me.

FOS MoS

If I like throwing my scumbuddies under the bus so much, why aren't you lynching Dirge?

[Mastermind of Sin]

MOS I my reasons for voting Thesp were and are in my opinion pretty solid. BTW, Thesp have you explained what happened yesterday? It's possible that I missed it.

We're going to be away for the next couple of days.

erm, but what are your reasons?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't see how that tells us anything, tho. Thesp's result directly correlates with Yosarian2's role, so how does having Yosarian2 die and confirm the result make you MORE sure he was lying? I also want to know why you think he was lying yesterday, because I never understood that. I got a very strong feeling that the spork-yos-thesp conflict yesterday was a giant misunderstanding between protown] players, so I'd like to hear why you think he was lying. If he was scum, he might've gotten Yosarian2 lynched, but at what cost? He would've confirmed spork76 and doomed himself to lynch the next day. Are you going to suggest that he went after Yosarian yesterday with the

intent

to fail at getting him lynched?

[Mastermind of Sin]

damn, i was foiled by the dice function. Not that it would've mattered what I picked as long as no one else changed. I'm surprised that Dirge didn't send a choice, since he commented on the game earlir in the day.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Atticus, I did a doubletake when I read your siggy...I thought it said "Never enter an arse-licking contest with a porcupine" >_<

[Mastermind of Sin]

When did I tell people who to vote for ibaesha? I don't remember posting a large workup with the lynch today then the lynch tomorrow etc. etc.

no one has done that yet...so what's your point?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Fishbulb, you're not understanding my intentions. My point was that we should look at the actions of the smallest group of people that is highly likely to contain scum and see if we can find one among them, but that we shouldn't completely ignore everyone else. That was the process that lead to my vote on Dirge, so I thought it would be helpful to explain my vote by posting why I came to that conclusion...you're under no obligation to support that train of thought, but I figure that if someone else didn't think of that and DOES agree with me, then I've done something good by pointing out something they didn't consider.

Dirge, MeMe: Can either of you vouch for Atticus' actions so far this game? My only experience with him is from MeMeMeet, and he seems pretty consistent with that experience. He was a lot more cautious as scum than as town. He's a pretty reckless protown wagoner, iirc.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Ok. Then is there anyone here who has played with him online before? This is my first game with him to date.

[Mastermind of Sin]

maybe, but it would hurt >_< (about the porcupine)

I for one never believed that activated ability meant what Thesp originally claimed it did, so that's been a non-issue for me. To me, it was simply a matter of convincing Thesp that his definition of activated ability was incorrect in terms of the game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Fishbulb, you're not understanding my intentions. My point was that we should look at the actions of the smallest group of people that is highly likely to contain scum and see if we can find one among them, but that we shouldn't completely ignore everyone else. That was the process that lead to my vote on Dirge, so I thought it would be helpful to explain my vote by posting why I came to that conclusion...you're under no obligation to support that train of thought, but I figure that if someone else didn't think of that and DOES agree with me, then I've done something good by pointing out something they didn't consider.

No, I did understand all of that, which is why I wasn't really directing anything at you. I knew that would be your response because obviously you aren't going to agree with me, even if I am correct. I still stand by my statement that none of that is useful, but I can't tell if it is meant to be deliberately misleading.

Anyway, no need to dwell on this since no one else seems interested in it currently. It's not enough to vote on.

I'm not really sure where I stand on Thesp at the moment, though.

What about Atticus, Fritzler, or Dirge? Thesp isn't the only one being attacked/voted right now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I for one never believed that activated ability meant what Thesp originally claimed it did, so that's been a non-issue for me. To me, it was simply a matter of convincing Thesp that his definition of activated ability was incorrect in terms of the game.

Wouldn't you expect a better explanation of his definition. Regarding Atticus' feeling that he is some sort of cop, I think that's a stretch since Thesp clearly still doesn't know what the hell's going on. Any townie with half a mind would have gotten clarification from the mod day 1 and for sure last night.

In addition to what I've posted Thesp's lack of response to Atticus is also elusive. It seems to me that Thesp did that yesterday with MeMe.

Anyway, no need to dwell on this since no one else seems interested in it currently. It's not enough to vote on.

Oh, I interested. Plus did you see how after mith posted the resusts for the game he popped in to say something like...

'funny how dirge didn't send in his choice...'

So either he has a one track mind or he's trying to build a case out of crap.

Dirge, you specifically commented on the game in this post:

Not a suprise that we aren't taking my Corolla. That said, I know for a fact that fish's kickin' Scion has decent tires on it so it will be up for the trip to BPSAOW.

You specifically commented on the game after it started, so I was really surprised that you didn't send a choice. I would've assumed that you sent the choice at about the same time you made that post.

[Mastermind of Sin]

May I also note that my comment about Dirge not submitting a choice has nothing to do with him being scum or not. I don't know why scum would choose not to submit a choice any more than town, so I'm not sure what Dirge is trying to imply about my comment.

[Mastermind of Sin]

May I also note that my comment about Dirge not submitting a choice has nothing to do with him being scum or not. I don't know why scum would choose not to submit a choice any more than town, so I'm not sure what Dirge is trying to imply about my comment.

He doth protest too much.

He doth misrepresent too much.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm still unsatisfied by Dirge's responses so far. I like my vote as well as anyone likes their own.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pooky, if Thesp was scum he would know that he wasn't allowed to kill the first night, so he could play towards the headstart theory. However, I think the Jester theory is very smart, because we used jesters several times at mememeet, iirc.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well, mith was the mod for the game I referenced.

Game 17 - 7 Players, Open (2 Mafia, 1 Cop, 1 Lyncher, 3 Townies + 1 Suicidal among all roles), Mafia (Quag, Pooky) wins. Mod: mith
Deaths:
N1 - MoS? (Suicidal Lyncher)
D1 - No Lynch
N2 - +1
D2 - Pooky (Mafia)
N3 - fish (Cop)
D3 - Thesp
Endgame - kristocker
Survived - Quag (Mafia)

If you're going to accept MoS's praise that it's a "good theory" because it was used at MeMeMeet, it doesn't make much sense to reject the possibility it's not a town role...because that's also a way it was used at MeMeMeet (if I'm understanding the role correctly).

Maybe you just need to explain your interpretation of the role role better. This is the first I've heard of "jester." I mean, why should it be vigged rather than lynched?

Umm, because if he gets lynched he wins...jester = suicidal

However, I'm skeptical to believe that it was randomly assigned, although I admit it's possible.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I urge everyone to ask for a deadline extension -- the decision doesn't have to be made in a couple of days if we just ASK.

Pooky, I get what you're saying -- but your thought about Thesp wanting to get lynched is just that: a thought.

My

thought is that Thesp is behaving scummily and he's admitted that he was putting on an act to keep his wife from figuring him out. Why, I ask you, would a pro-town player mind being nailed as a pro-town player? If he's a power role (as claimed) or scum, why wouldn't he WANT to look like a vanilla townie? It stands to reason that if his wife knows his tell, so does

he

.

And claiming to be an investigator seems at odds with wanting to be

lynched.

That's a good way to 1) make the town scared of lynching you and 2) being targeted by scum before you

can

get lynched.

If she's scum and can tell whether or not he's a power role (through seeing his vanilla townie tell), that would give her information that he doesn't want her to have. At least that's the way I understand his reasoning. I'm not sure it quite makes sense, though.

As far as the vigging goes, I think that's a decent plan. However, would it be wise for Thesp to reveal his result from last night first? People keep attacking him and trying to get him lynched when they haven't even bothered to ask for his result so it can be checked. Obviously, there is the risk of revealing too much information to the scum, so perhaps it's a judgement Thesp should make. Anyway, I thought that was something we should discuss before we proceed any further with this vigging plan.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I pm'd mith for extension.

I'll read this through again today, as everyone seemed to be like water on duck's back - slipping away all the time.

One exception though: MoS urging people to vouch for Atticusa dn not trying to figure him out himself.

Olio: MeMe, Dirge, Atticus, and Fletcher are all in the same family IRL. I was hoping that they would have more experience playing with him than I, and could tell if this playstyle was normal for him or not, since I have no experience playing with him. What's so wrong about that? And for the record, i didn't urge someone to vouch for him. I merely asked if they

could

. There's a difference.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Note: I'll be out of town from tomorrow until Monday evening

[Mastermind of Sin]

vote: Dirge

The fact that MeMe was mafia and he was in on her little schtick makes me even MORE convinced that my vote has been in the right place.

[Mastermind of Sin]

birds of a feather stick together

[Mastermind of Sin]

oops, mixed up the roles of the dead today. Point still holds, I think that Dirge and MeMe shared the fact that they were scum wanting Thesp dead, and I could certainly see them being Cult together. Dirge, that comment about working together is clearly wifom, so don't even start with me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

yup, Thesp is a jester. He needs to be vigified.

[Mastermind of Sin]

no. Cult needs a majority to win. That's the only way they can win, is by having numbers equal to the town. They can't kill at night.

[Mastermind of Sin]

No, not necessarily...

And Thesp, I do not have an activated ability.

Not lying, but I do think you're still scum.

Vote: Atticus.

Thesp just confirmed that Atticus doesn't have an activated ability (meaning he's not scum) and then voted him for being scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Is mafia an activated ability?

mafia have the ability to make a kill...he could be cult...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I've seen two instances of Zombie. One is a killer who revives upon death and has a 50% chance of killing because Zombies move so slowly. It's possible that Mith only used part of that role, since MeMe clearly didn't revive. I've also seen a Zombie cult, where being a zombie was just the flavor for a cult recruit. As for cults, I've rarely seen one that could kill, which is why I was hesitant to support such an idea, as it would be misleading to think it very common. Generally, killing cults can either kill or recruit, but not both in one night.

[Mastermind of Sin]

unvote, vote: Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out Of Its Ass

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm quite amused by the sudden "anti-MoS" sentiment that seems to have sprung up now that someone has to be thrown to the lions.

FoS: mlaker, Fritzler, Thesp

[Mastermind of Sin]

We should consider who will fight Atticus.

Clearly we should consider Dirge.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why am I suspicious ibaesha and getting a little preeminently defensive MoS? Take him down Atticus.

It's never too early to defend yourself, especially when 3 people ask that you be challenged based on no reasoning, and I could be chosen at any time (since it only takes one person to decide whether or not I get challenged). It's essentially like all of us were at lynch minus 1. Oh, and "Take him down Atticus."

[Mastermind of Sin]

If mlaker is telling the truth, Atticus is protown, too. So we don't want to kill either of them. Hence, no lynch would be the correct play.

[Mastermind of Sin]

5, Junk, 4, 2, 7

Those are my tiles. Tell me where to put them.

put a 7 on atticus' trix and the 4 on your hit. I have a 4 to put on atticus' hit

[Mastermind of Sin]

Play 4 on Atticus' Hit Stat

[Mastermind of Sin]

In the event of a draw the crowd riots but no one is killed. I'll give more info if it's desired.

OK, but do we go for a normal lynch or is the day over?

If we had another 8 and 4 we could guarantee this tie.

Maybe the blood type can determine zombie or non-zombie.

This tie is guaranteed. mlaker has the two tiles needed to make it a tie.

[Mastermind of Sin]

it won't end for 24 hours after you play the tiles, so go ahead.

[Mastermind of Sin]

someone play a 4 on mlaker's blok, and it'll be a tie.

[Mastermind of Sin]

What? No it doesn't...no one's Blok has tiles on them yet...

w/e, i'll take care of it.

Swearing: Senor Roboto's Blok

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually. Ibby, play a 7 on El Blind Monkeyo's Blok. That'll give them each 1 win, and a total of 18, so it'll be a tie.

[Mastermind of Sin]

ok now no one do ANYTHING

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'd assume so.

[Mastermind of Sin]

yarrr

[Mastermind of Sin]

damnit.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I told you all Dirge was scum! Why did nobody listen

[Mastermind of Sin]

Damn scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

yea, lol.