Mini 383 - Ben & Jerry's Mafia - OVER!

[MeMe]

I urge everyone to

vote: perfect62834

[MeMe]

I urge everyone to

vote: perfect62834

Why?

I'd rather not say.

[MeMe]

Awww...you're no fun, perfect! You didn't even get all indignant.

[MeMe]

And how about...

unvote: perfect#
vote: Y

...who seemed to think I could possibly

have

a reason.

[MeMe]

Has this ever worked? I've never seen scum that are that crass. In every game I've been in, the guy who is lynched because they were blatantly fishing for a cop claim is a naive/inexperienced townie.

I'm now voting Y not because he was "fishing for a cop claim" but because there could have been no

real

reason for my vote in a day-start game, regardless of my role. Not a big deal that he questioned it with his first post, but continuing to press the issue with his second made me wonder if he was trying to make my vote into something more than it was.

[MeMe]

How about prods on chamber & conflux -- both of whom have posted this weekend, just not in here.

[MeMe]

So, DGB...how shall we proceed?

[MeMe]

Yes, the site lost about four days' worth of posts.

[MeMe]

Can we have a vote count?

[MeMe]

Neither perfect# nor PWS have posted anywhere since the crash. conflux, though posting since the crash, has yet to post in here at all -- even pre-crash.

Until we're sure about who's actually

playing

this game, I hardly know how to proceed. And, looking at the low post count since we've come back, I'm guessing that's the case for almost all of us.

[MeMe]

I of course meant both.

And you're correct on both counts. But, please be clear about what your actual

point

is.

[MeMe]

Um...

I was participating before the crash and have posted more than you (and several others you failed to mention)

since

the crash. In those posts, I've made the point that it's pretty hard to get going again when players are missing, a situation which has only recently been remedied. Basically, your selection of me and perfect to note as non-partipants is odd to me. Why ignore so many others?

Regardless, I'm quite happy with my vote on Y. His questioning of my original vote didn't make sense to me as there couldn't have possibly been a reason for my vote at that point. The fact that he did it again while reiterating 1) that it was to get talking going then 2) that the second was "more of a joke" also doesn't make much sense because 1) it didn't work the first time, why attempt it again and 2) it wasn't humorous. He then apologized for lack of participation at a point when he was posting as much as most/more than several, which struck me as the undue worry of a possible guilty conscience.

Let's get it on.

[MeMe]

I'm sure that you can feel the difference between now and before the crash.

Not really.

Pre-crash: 5 posts in 5 days
Post crash: 6 posts in 6 days

[MeMe]

Even if the post count is the same, the amount of content is much higher.

I disagree. Your posts, up until your reply to me, consisted of you trying to remember what happened pre-crash.

Furthermore, I was notifying you before I got absolutely no time, but then the crash came.

Your post reads as though you thought you were already guilty of low contribution, to me.

Sorry I'm not contributing much, but I have a busy schedule right now. I'll reread things when I'll have more time to do so...

No one else (besides PWS) is feeling the Y vote?

[MeMe]

chamber (2) : (Chamber)

Huh?

[MeMe]

It's still mangled. Unless there's some weird vote-screwing-up mechanic or role, here's the correct count:

chamber (3) : (Colonel Kurtz, Sotty7, Mr Stoofer)

PlaysWithSquirrels (2) : (meaning of life 42, Y)
Y (2) : (MeMe, PlaysWithSquirrels)
Colonel Kurtz (1) : (bertrand)
Mr Stoofer (1) : (perfect#)


not voting (3): (chamber, spectrumvoid, VitaminR)

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Although I feel there's better reason to vote Y, I could switch over to bertrand, chamber, or perfect for being totally useless.

[MeMe]

Made me laugh even if he

wasn't

joking.

[MeMe]

chamber's at five, I believe. Just for everyone's edification.

[MeMe]

Oh look, another mini where I'm going to die day 1. I think I should seriously stop trying.

I think you should take it as an indication that you should seriously

start

trying.

[MeMe]

I'm not suggesting you don't try to

play

, chamber -- I do, however, think it's quite clear that you're not interested in playing to

win

, otherwise you'd have altered your playstyle by now. Do you not agree?

[MeMe]

Question: is it fun to get lynched?

[MeMe]

I

feel like this is a complete repeat of Donnie Darko...but I'm willing to hear you out if you've actually got something to say.

I choose a different way to play, one that I find more enjoyable and better for the town

How is it "better for the town" to play your way? If you don't have a decent answer for that, I'll probably go ahead and vote you as, from my point of view, your play is nonsensical -- regardless of alignment.

[MeMe]

I still advocate a Y lynch, but if there are others willing to off a non-poster (bertrand/perfect#), I'd join them.

[MeMe]

Why not MoL? (serious question)

I think Y's a stronger candidate than mol. If I'm not going to vote the person I think is

most

scummy acting, I'd prefer to vote a non-contributor.

[MeMe]

I still advocate a Y lynch

Now it's a serious question: Why?

*sigh*

[MeMe]

As in "I've already given my reasons ad nauseum."

I'll quote the relevant posts so you can have one handy-dandy place for reference since you, apparently, lack the ability to remember/look them up yourself.

And how about...

unvote: perfect#
vote: Y

...who seemed to think I could possibly

have

a reason.

Has this ever worked? I've never seen scum that are that crass. In every game I've been in, the guy who is lynched because they were blatantly fishing for a cop claim is a naive/inexperienced townie.

I'm now voting Y not because he was "fishing for a cop claim" but because there could have been no

real

reason for my vote in a day-start game, regardless of my role. Not a big deal that he questioned it with his first post, but continuing to press the issue with his second made me wonder if he was trying to make my vote into something more than it was.

Regardless, I'm quite happy with my vote on Y. His questioning of my original vote didn't make sense to me as there couldn't have possibly been a reason for my vote at that point. The fact that he did it again while reiterating 1) that it was to get talking going then 2) that the second was "more of a joke" also doesn't make much sense because 1) it didn't work the first time, why attempt it again and 2) it wasn't humorous. He then apologized for lack of participation at a point when he was posting as much as most/more than several, which struck me as the undue worry of a possible guilty conscience.

I'm sure that you can feel the difference between now and before the crash.

Not really.

Pre-crash: 5 posts in 5 days
Post crash: 6 posts in 6 days

Even if the post count is the same, the amount of content is much higher.

I disagree. Your posts, up until your reply to me, consisted of you trying to remember what happened pre-crash.

Furthermore, I was notifying you before I got absolutely no time, but then the crash came.

Your post reads as though you thought you were already guilty of low contribution, to me.

Sorry I'm not contributing much, but I have a busy schedule right now. I'll reread things when I'll have more time to do so...

[MeMe]

I find myself wearily agreeing.

unvote: Y
vote: chamber

[MeMe]

unvote: chamber
vote: Y

I can't help it. He's just

so scummy

. I'm pretty sure we do, however, need a replacement for perfect.

[MeMe]

Let's break that down, shall we?

I can't really understand

I seriously doubt you can't understand my vote when I've patiently explained myself the other times you've expressed confusion. The post before my most recent vote only

added

to that suspicion.

why she's so eager to lynch me

First, I'm

voting

you -- not

lynching

you. Second, I don't think my actions could be seriously termed "eager."

when no one else really cares.

So why do

you

care so much? The fact that you appear to overreact any time I mention you even though no one else currently supports my position seems just another indication of your scumminess.

It looks to me like she's trying to be very consistent and not vote hopping - The exact opposite of what seems scummy. It is excessive enough to cross my scumness line.

And this? "She's overly non-scummy and that's scummy"?

It's not a really based theory but more of a hunch.

It's

something

alright, but "hunch" isn't it.

[MeMe]

Definitely.

[MeMe]

Question for the mod

: We haven't heard from Colonel Kurtz or Sotty7 since the last crash and perfect# since two crashes ago. Have they picked up the prods you sent yesterday? If not, are you planning to replace them?

[MeMe]

Although I'm still incredulous that no one finds the Y vote compelling...

I find myself wearily agreeing.

unvote: Y
vote: chamber

unvote: Y
vote: chamber

[MeMe]

woo-hoo!!

[MeMe]

Well boy howdy. That's what I like to hear.

unvote: chamber
vote: Y

[MeMe]

Reason 4 This is interesting. I thought a vote was indicative of a desire to lynch. If Meme didn't want to lynch Y, why vote?

So, you're saying that you've never seen someone place a vote and then remove it when a bandwagon forms with an "I don't necessarily want so and so

lynched

" comment? A vote -- especially one that's early enough not to put someone in danger of being lynched -- is often more of a "this is the person I think is most scummy" rather than a "die now, scum." I'm surprised you're claiming to have thought otherwise.

As for the out-of-thread discussion, I think chamber did the right thing in bringing it out. It

is

against the mod's stated rules and we need to know what she's planning to do about it.

Good ice cream doesn't talk.

Do not discuss the game outside the thread. Evil ice cream speaks only at night, in private.

I really hate being under deadline when we're waiting for mod information -- it doesn't seem quite

right

. I'd also like to know why DGB didn't replace CK, despite the fact he's still not posted.

[MeMe]

Well, I guess CK doesn't need replacing...

[MeMe]

Well, bertrand is her son and he said that he'd "make sure we get a vote count." So...

[MeMe]

Also, I'm not counter-claiming.

I'd also like to say that my flavor is current (not in the graveyard) and ice cream (not yogurt). I'm wondering if anyone else has a role like Stoof is claiming.

[MeMe]

And (sorry for so many quickies rather than one longie)...

unvote: Y

...unless a townie wants to counter-claim as not being "vanilla."

[MeMe]

Am I missing something? Y hasn't actually claimed any flavour yet has he? He just said vanilla townie and that was it.

I guess this is technically true -- it was my assumption that "vanilla" was his role since this is an ice cream game.

Y -- what

is

your flavor?

[MeMe]

Sugar Plum's in the graveyard too.

vote: Y

[MeMe]

Originally, when DGB thought Y & Stoofer were tied at deadline, the thread was locked and it looked like they both were gonna melt. But when it turned out that Y would be the only one dying, the post was edited and an extension granted. Anyone have any thoughts on why that might be?

[MeMe]

Apparently I wasn't clear.

She first shut the thread and looked willing to put the game into night with two deaths -- and then granted an extension once she confirmed that the count was

not

a tie. Shouldn't it have been obvious that we were "actually getting somewhere" and that the "deadline drew enough attention to the game" when she first posted?? Why was it OK for both of them to die but not Y alone?

I know some don't like to dissect mod actions. It's my opinion, however, that

everything

should be considered and when mods do something out of the ordinary, that can't be ignored.

[MeMe]

Well, here's what I thought. Would a moderator be fine with:
-- a deadline lynch resulting in two scum dead? Definitely not.
-- a deadline lynch resulting in two town dead? Possibly.
-- a deadline lynch resulting in one scum and one town dead? Probably.

So, looking at that, I was expecting they'd turn up as two town or one of each. When I checked again and saw that Y had been the only one in danger of deadline lynch and she'd since decided to keep the game going, my conclusion was that, if DGB made a conscious decision about what to do based on Y's alignment, it's more likely that Y is scum than town. In a day start, scum dying day one is more unexpected than town -- so it could've thrown off the balance to allow it to happen when there was the easy cover of "extension granted."

I do admit to:
--having a habit of overanalyzing
--being of the mind that Y is the scummiest
--wishing this day was over and being somewhat annoyed that the deadline was rescinded -- though I might have felt differently if anyone other than Y was in the lead position

And, while Mariyta's explanation makes sense, I really wish DGB would have stated that as the case if it IS the case. To overwrite a post and allow a suspicious mind like mine to start doing someraults is just cruel if there's a simple explanation.

[MeMe]

MeMe, just so I understand you correctly: are you saying that when DGB locked the thread, Y was the lynch leader on his own?

Well, yes & no. Originally, this post:

Extension granted. Now set at Monday, Dec 18, 9:00 EST.

Y (5) : (chamber, Maryita, Mr Stoofer, PWS, MeMe)

Mr Stoofer (3) : ( VitaminR, Patrick, Y)
chamber (2) : (Colonel Kurtz, Mr Stoofer)
meaning of life 42 (1) : (spectrumvoid)

not voting (2): (bertrand, meaning of life 42)

Said something like --
"Y (3): (so and so, so and so, so and so)
Mr Stoofer (3): (so and so, so and so, so and so)

Looks like two will be melting! But let me check to be sure."

Then, after 20 minutes or so, it changed to reflect Y as the leader. So Y was the leader all along (if the new count is trustworthy, that is), DGB just

thought

it was a tie originally.

I

am

willing to drop it -- it certainly didn't do anything but make me more confident in my vote. I'm surprised, though, that no one else saw it and/or thought it was weird enough to comment on.

[MeMe]

Yes -- I pushed hardest for Y. I'll be amazed at how scummy he managed to look if he's a townie as he claimed.

However, if he is pro-town, chamber's twilight "you guys made a mistake" post becomes one of the

classic

scum errors. I would've waited to see Y's alignment if I were a day vig, but I totally understand where PWS is coming from.

[MeMe]

Mariyta -- yes.
Patrick -- no clue on PWS. Either way, joke or real, I totally see where he's coming from.

As for whether Y would keep going if scum?

I

keep posting up until mod says I'm dead when I'm lynched -- you never know what might happen. But I agree it sounds pretty likely he's town at this point. Too bad he didn't sound town

before

he was lynched.

[MeMe]

~yawn~

[MeMe]

The current count puts Y at seven votes -- so unless something

really

funky is going on, I'd have to agree with Patrick. I'd think that if DGB were around and there's some mechanic preventing the lynch, she'd post a count at least so that we don't stagnate. But, then again, she doesn't seem to play by my modding expectations, eh?

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Y

(7):

Mr Stoofer, PlaysWithSquirrels, MeMe, meaning of life 42, VitaminR, Mariyta, Patrick

Mr Stoofer

(3):

bertrand, Y, chamber

chamber

(1):

Colonel Kurtz

meaning of life 42

(1):

spectrumvoid

[MeMe]

Wah!

[MeMe]

Damn.

[MeMe]

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