Meadow of Sorrow Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins

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I'm around. Post tomorrow, tired from work.

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I went to the supermarket today and bought a Toaster Strudel. Then I realised I'd forgotten about this game.

vote: TSQ

Nope, not buying that. Voting for the same reason as STD's last post.

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I'm finally back after a horribly long absence. I was having some weird problems on MS.net logging in and posting (I was posting from the future), read the 2 threads devoted to my problems in the help forum for details. Thanks to those who have alerted people to my problems. I'll respond to everything tomorrow.

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I'll continue. However, I will not be around in early December. I'll try to get a way around that, and I'll post more about my issue closer to the date.

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Zindaras: It's not right cpe is being accused of inactivity. A lot of people haven't caught up yet after the crashes.

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I think Frit's question is an interesting and valid one.

If I was anti-town killer, I'd kill the most pro-town person. If I was town killer, I'd kill scum or I'll not kill. So that way we know who everyone thinks is most pro-townish, or most scummish.

I won't vote anyone yet since our mod isn't ready. And I intend to vote a lurker anyway at this point, but I assume al_ko will be prodding them.

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Oops Fritz: I currently have no read on the MOST townie or MOST scummy person, hence no answer.

And I don't understand your CPE should die tonight bit. If I were scum, I wouldn't kill off noncontributors.

And CPE should die, yes.

vote: CPE

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unvote

to give us time to analyse his claim since he's at -1.

I was having exams during the downtime, and my last day is monday. I'll try to be around for this game, but no promises.

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I just want to know how ANYONE is supposed to respond to these questions without seeming like an absolute scumbag.

I find it interesting that you are particularly concerned with not sounding like a scumbag.

I think this question is valid. Thesp, whoever responded to your questions would seem like a scumbag. Therefore it can be read as an attempt to frame someone. That's the reason for the question.

Btw, Unvote, as we're past the random voting stage now.

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What the...? I'd rather have people who explain things clearly than people who can't be read at all.

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I agree. CPE has not mentioned Zindaras at all in his claim. Like Illumina, I don't really see the reason for voting Zindaras.

I see STD as someone who is running around throwing suspicion on everyone, possibly in an attempt to muddy up the waters. He also conveniently added that not trusting bit about the cop claim.

Is TEOM even around? A prod might be neceesary.

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I agree. CPE has not mentioned Zindaras at all in his claim. Like Illumina, I don't really see the reason for voting Zindaras.

I see STD as someone who is running around throwing suspicion on everyone, possibly in an attempt to muddy up the waters. He also conveniently added that not trusting bit about the cop claim.

vote: STD

Is TEOM even around? A prod might be neceesary.

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Ignore the first one, I hit send instead of preview because I wasn't sure I remember the bold tags correctly.

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unvote STD

That solves it.

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Responses first.

Summary of why dahen's voting for me.
1) SV following STD voting on TSQ.
2) lack of contribution
3) Distancing from STD

1) Well, yes, I did vote TSQ based on STD's reasons. But STD's reasons for voting TSQ was TSQ making a contradiction (post 38). I thought that was a valid reason for a vote. This also happened in page 2 early game, where there was no other scum tell.

2) My response to Fritz's question: You left out the bit where I said planned to vote a lurker. Implication: I didn't think anyone was patricularly scummy to warrant a vote.

Reasons for my absolutely horrible inactivity:
- First I was having a problem logging in and posting. I think Yos helped me post about it in vacation thread. Problem was solved.
- Then I had a weird time stamp problem, where I was posting from the future, then I was barred from posting. BA and pablito posted evidence of this in 2 threads in the help forum.
- Mafia had 2 crashes. I had term papers due during the first, and school exams during the 2nd. It was very hard to catch up with everything after that... I still haven't caught up with everything.
- Proof and evidence all scattered around the site. Check the posts of any game I'm in and you'll see the same horrible activity in the same time period.

3) I voted for STD mainly because of his vote-hopping. Also look at the timing of the vote. CPE has just revealed his cop claim. I was simply trying to point out another person whom we could discuss in lieu of CPE.

Here's my reason for unvoting STD. I don't think we should oust a revealed role day 1.

More about others in the next post.

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About CPE:
HK's role isn't cop. HE knows only their role name or occupation. he doesn't get to find out their alignment. (Unless occupation = alignment? I don't really know what occupation is.) So it's possible that CPE is really a cop. Also since this is a large theme, it's possible to have more than 1 kind of cop. I don't think CPE is the play for today.

About half-claiming:
HK's actions here make sense. Considering he's claiming a pro-town power role, it's possible that he didn't want to claim fully. By saying he's copish, he could've split the scum's attention between CPE and himself, which I think is a pro-townish move.

I'm a little confused over the Zindaras and TEOM issue. If I've gotten this right, Zindaras has claimed that TEOM is town. TEOM denied any knowledge of it => TEOM and Zindaras aren't masons. While I'm suspicious as to Zindaras's role, I can't think of a reason why scum would reveal someone to be town, since it narrows down the lynch pool.

Dahen: You pointed out that Illumina stated the obvious without a theory. I disagree. Now that we know about HK, I think Illumina's post 280 about Thesp and Thok was a good analysis of who did what and how, and I think these two deserve an

FOS

. That disproves your point. I'll take another look at the two, but my vote will be on one of them.

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As a replacement, I thought it'll make common sense to spend time reading the game over. I generally don't trust other people to tell me what went on. While I wasn't hoping for a miracle, I hoped to at leat have a few scum vibes.

Dahen: Probably it's because in your PBPA you added comments like: I think SV is scummy here, but I'll wait and see. That swings it from neutral PBPA to a case on me. Coupled with the vote at the end.

I don't see a distancing voting coming at this point, so

I have to leave the Spectrumvoid+STD pair as scums

That underlined bit is where I misunderstood I think. I was under the impression you thought STD + SV = scum.

I'm not keen on a lurker lynch for today, I think we have a couple of other candidates to choose from which will give us more information for tomorrow.

My thoughts on Olio + Zindaras: I think either one or the other is scum. I don't see a scum pairing for this one, mainly because of the way they're accusing each other. I agree with the scum tells that the 2 of them have made, but they're currently equal in my LOS. While Olio wanted to lynch EOM, Zindaras wanted to lynch for the sake of a lynch. While Olio didn't respond satisfactorily, Zindaras been confusing regarding the 2 cops.

The person I don't want to lynch right now is TSQ. Simply because I don't think he's more scummy than the other two.

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I'm not sure if they're distancing. It's hard to tell. But I'd rather concentrate on ferreting out individual scum rather than picking out scum pairs.

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I'm confused over the whole thing, but here's my best guess: I'd say TSQ could be an SK. Reason being there were 4 kills N1, and 3 N2. Correct me if I'm wrong because I've never been an SK, but I think if TSQ is an SK and died, I don't think he can kill. With that in mind, I believe investigation findings over the church.

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So even if say an SK/vig dies, does his kill still go through? (I've got a playing around where I'm either scum/cop/town. Never been SK, vig, any others)

I think I got messed up over the number of kills because I'm used to thinking of N0.

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I think both dahen and Zindaras are suspicious, on the basis of post 358, 359, and 361.

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Oh, and thanks to Zindaras for the clarification.

Merry Christmas everyone!

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Doesn't anyone want to respond to posts 406-7?

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Zindaras
Post 358: Zindaras says he's been getting 'pings' from TSQ, yet he admits that he's voting TSQ because he doesn't want to die.

Post 359: Then he votes TSQ, because 'olio's not getting lynched.'

There has also been mention of his scummy behaviour earlier, which I have agreed with.

Dahen
Post 361 has dahen voting TSQ because 'nothing happened.' Hopping on wagon?

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Thok: What might happen instead is someone might protect CPE if they thought he was a non-scummy cop. That way we waste a protection, assuming he's scum.

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Oh, and here's an

fos: cpe

till I think over this scum-coppish business.

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Same.

Clarification of the 1st quote:
358-9: Zindie. 361: dahen.

I asked that question hoping someone would actually respond. Helloooo... only 2 people posting in 2 days? Since when was trying to get discussion started scummy?

I still don't like your reasoning. Basically you were willing to lynch TSQ, not because he was on top of your LOS, but because you didn't want Zin to die. That just reeks of scumminess, and it felt like you were using the deadline as an excuse to hop on.

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Confused over the different kind of kills, cults, etc. I'm hoping to get a clearer idea when I get back tomorrow.

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I didn't realise my post was full of negative words, apologies. I wasn't specifically trying to accuse anyone because I realised no one was around (except for that one lone soul), but yes, I was assuming everyone in general for not being active.

I am satisfied with dahen's response and Zindaras's clarification regarding the deadline TSQ issue.

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It is conceivable the CPE is scum, or perhaps some type of scum cop. That said, I'm not convinced that CPE is worth lynching today; if he's got a chance to kill scum, I say let him do so and make scum panic over how to deal with him.

I could go with this.

Unvote: CPE, Unvote: CPE.

He should not be allowed to the endgame, of course. Fairly lost otherwise.

This is a contradiction, I think. Thok says he thinks CPE is scummy, but he doesn't want to lynch him today. Thesp says he agrees with Thok, but he votes CPE. Hm...

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Edit 450: I meant to say accusing, not assuming.

Hi scope!

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I read that thing as unvote, vote. Gah. Seriously need new specs now, I think that's the 4th time I did something like that.

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I targetted STD, because I believed that StD was acting a bit differently than he was in times where I have seen him be town. It was a very slight thing, and I wanted to see if I was correct. As I said earlier,

I had forgotten about the fact that he was not scum from Huri

. If I had remembered that fact, I probably would not have targetted him. My action works in that I pour holy water on somebody, and if they are clean, nothing happens. While if they are scum, they will become a pile of ashes.

I do not see how 'forgetting' information can possibly be town behaviour.

vote: CPE

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*picks up prod*

I targetted STD, because I believed that StD was acting a bit differently than he was in times where I have seen him be town. It was a very slight thing, and I wanted to see if I was correct. As I said earlier,

I had forgotten about the fact that he was not scum from Huri

. If I had remembered that fact, I probably would not have targetted him. My action works in that I pour holy water on somebody, and if they are clean, nothing happens. While if they are scum, they will become a pile of ashes.

I do not see how 'forgetting' information can possibly be town behaviour.

vote: CPE

Nothing new to add.

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I thought day was over.

SV for wagoning?

[quote="spectrumvoid"][quote="creampuffeater"]I targetted STD, because I believed that StD was acting a bit differently than he was in times where I have seen him be town. It was a very slight thing, and I wanted to see if I was correct. As I said earlier,

I had forgotten about the fact that he was not scum from Huri

. If I had remembered that fact, I probably would not have targetted him. My action works in that I pour holy water on somebody, and if they are clean, nothing happens. While if they are scum, they will become a pile of ashes.[/quote]

I do not see how 'forgetting' information can possibly be town behaviour.

vote: CPE

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Compared to:
[quote="CrashTextDummie"]Seems like no one else is seeing my point about dahen, so I might as well help lynch CPE.

Unvote, Vote: CPE

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[quote="Zindaras"]The stalling, the stalling!

Unvote, vote: cpe

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Unvote, Vote: cpe

Because there's nothing better then a good old bandwagon now and then...[/quote]

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Mod: Might I suggest a prod on CTD? This is because I know he's generally not around mafia, he's been missing a ton of other games as well. Faster prod = faster replacement.

Hi Skruffs!

I don't think Fritzler is the lynch for today. He's cleared by our dead (and hence confirmed) paladin. I don't think insanity is an issue here, I'm more interested in trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong with regards to alignment.

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I'd like thesp to explain himself, if he thinks it'll help. *confused*

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vote Fritzler

Is there reason other than SL killing you night 1 for you to kill SL?

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Can I request a prod on blackberry?

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Dahen: Can I ask why did you choose today to reveal this?

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Dahen: I was wondering why you decided to claim today, when I don't think you were under suspicion.

The whole X aligned thing is driving me nuts.

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I'm currently wondering whether there's a particular reason as to why some dead people have different results from different groups, while CPE shows up as town both ways. Any ideas?

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Point to note: So basically Thesp was unable to steal anything from fritzler, including votes. Thesp has proven his vote-stealing ability, but not his alignment.

Meh. Fritztler's claim still doesn't make sense. Lynch.

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Mod: Can we have prods please?

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My summary: Fritz today, Thesp-discussion tomorrow. I will definitely be thinking Thesp's role and alignment tonight.

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Blackberry: I did ask for prods.

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thesp probably saw me kill someone

im a vig

richard nixon the vig

fuck yea

i killed shadowlurker, katy, and bogre

2/3 isn't bad

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IF fritzler is a vig he is nightkillable, if he is mafia he is nightkillable (unless he's godfather) and if he is an SK he may or may not be nightkillable, right? In any case, if there's a doctor, they should ignore fritzler tonight... not to go all 'trial by fire' but if he's alive in the morning than

unvote

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*pokes dahen* lurking scum.

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mod

Can we have a few prods?

I particularly want to hear from dahen regarding his role.

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I'm withholding judgement for now till we hear from dahen, or his replacement.

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I'll be away from now till monday due to Chinese New Year.

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I'm back.

I'm not getting anything about the cases for TS and Zindybuns. Zindybuns for... being paranoid? TS for getting his vote stolen?

Where's blackberrry's case for dahen protown? I must've missed it somewhere.

Blackberry don't post in caps please.

Have we ever heard from dahen ever?

LOS:
Fritz, thesp, Dahen.

Fritz for the AK thing, thesp for the vote-stealing thing, dahen for his off-claim.

Scope and blackberry are probably just being dumb.

mod: vote count please?

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8. dahen (Formerly marli)
* voted by scum (Bogre)
* quickly followed TSQ (scum) wagon

I'd just like to point out that being voted by your scum buddy could very well be distancing, and following the wagon could be an attempt to hide the scum-buddy relationship. (Note that I have yet to reread the entire thread wrt dahen, so this could be crap. I also need to check exactly where did he put on his vote.)

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What are the deadline rules?

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I am so dead because I work tomorrow and I'm going to miss the deadline. Mod, any chance of extending it since we need a replacement for scope? And where's dahen/klebian? (I checked the last 2 pages, and these are the 2 who haven't posted.)

What are the deadline rules? If the deadline's not extended, I'm stating frankly here that I'm basically going to vote for whoever has the most votes if the rules is a no-lynch if no majority. I will not vote for TS though.

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Hm...

vote: Thesp

I'll change to Fritzler if there's more votes on him... No lynch is not the way.

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I took a quick check.

[quote="Toaster Strudel"]It's official, someone stole my vote yesterday.

On another topic. Obviously, Fritzler is scum.

vote: Fritzler

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Vote Count!

Fritzler

- 2 - Zindaras, Thesp

Klebian

- 1 - KaleiÐoscøpe

Those who are still lost – 7 – Skruffs, dahen, Toaster Strudel, Klebian, Fritzler, SpectrumVoid, CrashTextDummie

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Yep.

By the way, I made my post earlier where I clarified that I was asking if it would be majority-lynch at deadline or no lynch if we don't have 6 on the wagon. I also talked a little about Fritz. Did anyone see it?

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For the record, I do not like a Skruffs lynch for today. It's the speed of the wagon that's bugging me.

Why doesn't anyone think Thesp is scummy? Can a vote stealer be pro-town? I don't think TS was scummy enough to warrant having his votes stolen 2x in a row. The only way I can see thesp being pro-town is if he steals the vote of a scummy person.

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I've read it. Because I almost replaced in.

The issue here is Thesp chose to steal the vote of someone who wasn't particularly scummy. That's not pro-town behaviour.

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I'm inclined to believe Zindaras's case for Fritzler, now that Zindaras has been revealed to be a town psychic.

vote: Fritzler

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dahen: I'm not saying that I think scum-Fritzler murdered Zindaras. I'm saying that since Zindaras was pretty much gunning for Fritzler quite a bit yesterday, it could have been something to do with his role. I'm not too sure what a psychic does, I'll check it out the moment I get flash.

Our day and night deaths have the church and the police coming to the same conclusion. I haven't thought of anything yet, but it might be significant.

I need to go have a read at what exactly did Zindaras say. I looked at my notes before I voted but my computer crashed.

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I think this is significant: Zindaras said he's 100% sure TEOM isn't scum. Wed Dec 06, Zindaras said: Simply because I have some big reasons to think TEOM is town.

Here's what Zindaras said about Fritzler.

For two, Fritzler. He ended last day claiming that Bogre would be dead tomorrow, and, *gasp*, Bogre got killed last night by the criminals.

Richard Nixon the Vig with his AK-47's? If it's true, Pariah's getting a Scummy Nomination. Then again, I don't believe it.

Vote: Fritzler

I would expect Fritzler to vig Night One if he had a vig role. However, his suggestion does not stroke with the rest of the game. We've got Church Findings and Police Findings. The Church finds Satanic as Scum and Criminals as Town. The Police finds Criminals as Scum and Satanic as Town. That is some huge hinting at double scumgroup, and if Fritz is a Vig, we'd have to discard the entire double scumgroup theory and assume that TSQ was a Serial Killer. I'm not doing that.

Also, here's some more evidence against Fritz:

WAIT WAIT. Let me get rid of some confusion. When I use my cop, if they are scum

to the church

they turn into a pile of ash (STD). Thats where the kill came from. Right now, I doubt they are the same ashes, as I inspected Fritz N0, not primate

Emphasis mine. If Fritz is a Criminal, which I do think he is, he would not have been killed by creampuffeater.

We are at 10 living players. We've seen two scumgroups. Now, let's take two scumgroups of 4. Let's even assume that Fritzler is an SK and not a member of either scumgroup (which would make it worse).

We're going to see 3 deaths next night if we don't lynch Fritzler, leaving us at 7 alive. If we don't get three dead scum (two Criminals and a Satanic), we'll be at lylo tomorrow (unless we get even more crosskills the night after).

At that point, Fritz-SK is going to be laughing his butt off because we've been so idiotic to leave him alive.

Refute me, this:

Why would Richard Nixon be in the meadows of sorrow? Why would this Richard Nixon have AK-47s? Why would these AK-47's be impossible to steal for Thesp? Which kill is the Criminal's?

Now, let's go on a hypothetical situation tour.

Fritzler is a vig: There are no Criminals or they don't have a kill or they crucify people. There is a role in this game called Richard Nixon, who, with his awesome AK-47's, can kill people. These AK-47's can't be stolen by rolestealers. There are, what, 2 vigs, 2 SKs and a Mafia?

Fritzler is a Criminal: The Criminals are the shooting kill. The reason Thesp didn't steal Fritzler's kill is because a Mafia kill is not an ability and therefore can't be stolen.

Occam's Razor suggests we lynch Fritzler.

D: I think others are scum / not him

Oh? Elaborate.

I agree completely with Blackberry on this one.

I believe Fritzler's claim. Even IF he really is a SK he has done a good job so far of taking out satanics and I would much rather hang a satanic. I'm suspcious of those who prefer a Fritzler lynch since we know very well that a Friztler lynch will NOT lynch a satanic and we know that Fritzler has caused the deaths of two satanics. Unless somebody wants to counter-claim those kills.

Oh. God.

What are you thinking, man?

There are

two

scum groups. Get it?

Focusing on Satanic people right now is complete bullcrap. The Criminals'll just laugh at us for it. Also, do you really think any sane scum is going to counter-claim Fritzler's kills?

Next up will be olio, our dead constable.

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This is interesting.

Olio voted TEOM/BB, wanted to lynch him on nov 4.

Then he voted CPE for attacking TEOM, unvoted, voted Zindaras 'most scummiest in my eyes at the moment, said Zindaras was misleading town (Z thought CPE + STD were scum, both somewhat cleared.)

I looked through MBF's flashy: No psychic, no teacher, no statistic keeper etc. Gah.

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I'm guessing 'riddled with bullets' = multiple killed.

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I think there's something significant about the cross and pentagram. I'm not sure what it is though.

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TS's claim has made me more firm that Fritzler is scum. I know my role doesn't have a name. TS has confirmed that (provided he's not lying.)

Skruffs: I'm not getting why you think Fritzler is scum, but you're not sure he's the scum for today. The way I see it, Fritzler is either scum or SK, either of which should not survive today.

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I'll claim. I'm a town aligned procurer. I investigate people at night to acquire knowledge about whether their alignment has been changed. Some sort of limited investigative role.

Hence, why I kept saying things like "I'm so confused about their alignment/kills" etc, I was trying to hint that we shouldn't trust the alignment of the people who are dead. Because there's obviously a role changer around.

This is also why I was wary of dahen earlier, and I kept asking him to respond, because I didn't think they'd be so many investigative roles. I backed off because I'm not very good with game balance so I'm wasn't sure, and because I didn't really have anything else to go on.

I have more results that I do not wish to reveal now, but I have investigated Zindaras and I know that his alignment is correct and unchanged, so I trusted his attack on Fritz and have been going after Fritz all day.

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My role only tells me whether people's alignment has been changed. (I get 'yes' pms and 'no' pms.)

Alignment changes: SL, Bogre.
No alignment changes: Zindaras, dahen.

I had no idea what to do with my role because I think it's useless,(I'm pretty sure I've posted a whole lot of 'I'm confused posts), so I just picked players who I thought were pro-town and who I thought wouldn't get night-killed. I had a vague idea it might help with endgame decisions.

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Our day and night deaths have the church and the police coming to the same conclusion. I haven't thought of anything yet, but it might be significant.

What do you mean by this?

It's significant wrt to my role ability. I think it could mean that their role alignment has not been changed.

BB: You think dahen isn't scum because he doesn't want to go after our SK? That's purely wifom. I also don't get where you get the 'he is one of the few that makes sense' bit.

Dahen: I quoted that Zindy bit to show who Zindy was going after: Fritzler. Since his alignment is correct, he's a psychic, I trust him. Fritzler is not pro-town.

Cross: Killed by the Church? Pentagram: Killed by the damned?

I'll go have a look at Big Al.

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Can you explain the meaning of 'one of first 7 above?'

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I've had it at the start.

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Geez. I was sick for a while and nothing happened. Note the dahen-Fritz thing.

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***. I was going to ask for discussion on my night actions. Oh well...

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I investigated Skruffs, because I thought he would probably survive the night. His alignment has not been changed.

Just hazarding a guess here: I'd say there's probably some kind of rolechanger detector. And there's probably some kind of alignment changer.

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I'd too would like BB to claim. I'll go look at voting records, back in a sec.

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Here they are in order:
Olio - 8 - Thestatusquo, Zindaras, Klebian, Thok, Fritzler, HurriKaty, Save the Dragons, Bogre

creampuffeater - 7 - Klebian, Fritzler, SpectrumVoid, BB, Zindaras, bigAl, Thesp

Zindaras - 3 - Klebian, Skruffs, Thesp

Fritzler - 4 – SpectrumVoid, Skruffs, bigAl, dahen

Just wondering: Is it possible that Satanics aren't another scum group but some kind of other role? It's statistically pretty unlikely that only one was killed despite this game having multiple killing roles?

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Oh. I forgot that Bogre was also a satanic. Ignore whatever I said. I was thinking more odds-wise (Yes, I know mafia isn't just odds.) And thanks for the clarification.

I'm pretty sure BB is a hiding Satanic.

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vote: BB

TS: BB today, dahen tomorrow, we win.

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Dahen: My last post is purely because I didn't like the way you're going after TS. Your main case for TS is for being inactive, which I find entirely excusable, due to the vote-stealing, and meta-gaming, which I disagree with.

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Hm.

BB: could you explain why you took so long to claim, considering you didn't actually have anything to hide?

I also really don't like the way dahen rushed to vote for TS.

If anyone has anything for me to answer, go ahead. Espeically since my name has been popping up in pairings for some reason, and I've yet to hear an argument.

I need to go reevaluate possible scum.

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This sequence of events has only made dahen look more scummy.

I also really don't like the way dahen rushed to vote for TS.

unvote

SPECTRUM:
B) Knowing im a Survivor, scum are more likely to kill me so they can be greedy and win the game by themselves.

Wrong. Knowing you're a survivor, scum are more likely to kill someone else to off a power role.

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Weird. I just saw dahen's post. For the same reasoning as yours, incidentally. I've been online, and I'll be online, so I kept my vote on. Give me 15 minutes or so, and I'll be back with my evaluation.

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Skruffs: So you're going to not go after BB whose claim you don't believe? I find that extremely hard to believe.

I've been poking at dahen because I've been thinking he's scummy. I thought me thinking he was scummy was obvious from the way I've been poking at him

Dahen is not the play today (not that he was the play for today anyways). If the item that dahen gave me kills me tonight - and i show up with the pentagram in the morning and all that jazz, than dahen has to be the killer, AND MUST BE LYNCHE, but i don't think that's the case.

Way to set up the next day lynch, and way to help the scum decide on a night target.

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Skruffs: So you're going to not go after BB whose claim you don't believe? I find that extremely hard to believe.

I've been poking at dahen because I've been thinking he's scummy. I thought me thinking he was scummy was obvious from the way I've been poking at him

Dahen is not the play today (not that he was the play for today anyways). If the item that dahen gave me kills me tonight - and i show up with the pentagram in the morning and all that jazz, than dahen has to be the killer, AND MUST BE LYNCHE, but i don't think that's the case.

Way to set up the next day lynch, and way to help the scum decide on a night target.

In response to this:

I read through SV's posts and she's been guiding the town consistently into hunting for criminals, avoids speculating - or even really discussing - the satanics at all - and has been fossing and prodding at dahen a whole bunch since dahen claimed their role.

If you look at my posts in isolation, and do a 'find' option, you'll notice that I've avoided any mention of alignments. This is because of my role ability: since I knew alignments were untrustworthy, I did not think it was useful to discuss them.

I did not mention either satanics or criminals. In fact, in the first post where I talk about alignments, it's about the possibility of satanics being not from another scum group. I corrected this immediately when I realised we have more than one dead satanic.

I'm leaving my vote on because I've evaulated, and I don't believe BB's behaviour is consistent with her role claim.

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Skruffs:
What is the so-called proof 'clearing' BB? Zindaras's 100% statement on TEOM? We had a role changer running around, probably an alignment changer running around, and we're going to trust the word of a psychic? I'm assuming that that's the reason we had so many pseudo-investigative roles.

Yes, I banged on Fritzler, due mainly Zindaras, but that was because he did act scummy, and I didn't know at that time that we had role changers.

I pretty much agree with this list:
Pairs left:
BB+dahen
BB+Skruffs
BB+SV
BB+TS
SV+TS

And since I know I'm not scum, BB is the obvious one.

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Yes, I'd like to hear exactly what the item does. I too think that dahen is scummy, so it'll make a lot of sense to know exactly what his ability is. I'd also like dahen to reveal all his actions.

TS: Last night, I investigated Skruffs. Alignment unchanged.

I need to go check my notes for something. Later.

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BB is a mason... *zzz*

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Rather obviously, I knew there's an alignment changer running around.

My role only tells me whether people's alignment has been changed. (I get 'yes' pms and 'no' pms.)

I detect whether people's alignments have been changed.

We already have a dead rolechanger, criminal aligned. I find it likely that BB is not a true mason... Why wouldn't a mason claim mason?

Also, I'm suspicious of why Skruffs was so keen to clear dahen yesterday.

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I claimed way before the rolechanger was revealed. Just look at my posts in isolation with the times. There was no breadcrumbing of any similar role (alignment/role changer/procurer by anyone at that time.)

My results in summary: no living person has had a alignment changed. I have also checked with the mod last night --> If the person whom I'd investigated earlier had his alignment changed later, I would not know.

I'll help you figure this out: One was criminal, and one was satanic. Both wanted to kill me the pro-town power role, since I'm pretty much the only one here with a power. I bet BB wasn't a mason, else he would have claimed mason. I also bet he was not a survivor, and that he was lying about his claim. This is due to his large reluctance to claim.

What we have here is a satanic or criminal left. The large amount of criminals could imply some weird game mechanic. (I'm referring here to something really major like space monkeys, where the town thought they were scum.) It's not a case of 1 criminal + 1 satanic + 1 town (me), else the game would have ended.

I still find it hard to believe that dahen would willingly give up his so-called nightkill immunity. We only have Skruffs word for it that dahen's item is true. So the 'dahen-scum' wouldn't give it up argument doesn't stand. What I'm driving at here is a Skruffs/dahen pairing, else why would Skruffs clear dahen so readily yesterday?

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Pretty much nothing else I can say since it's true dahen/Skruffs/BB would have won yesterday.

vote: SV

Good game all.

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Wait. Before the mod says anything, try guessing my role?

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:'(

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This game drove me up the wall... I spent more time agonising over night choices than anything else... I also made a few wrong choices.

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Because Skruffs and dahen could confirm each other.