Meadow of Sorrow Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins

[Toaster Strudel]

vote: Illumina

Never heard of Illumina before. Something fishy here.

[Toaster Strudel]

I am here, I have a lot of catching up to do.

[Toaster Strudel]

vote:CPE

[Toaster Strudel]

May I suggest we take a bite off the creampuffeater, and vote for him?

[Toaster Strudel]

May I suggest we take a bite off the creampuffeater, and vote for him?

One shouldn't be talking about biting pastries if they are pastries themselves.

Oh KRRRrRrRaP I didn't think of that....

[Toaster Strudel]

CPE claimed cop??? uh? I better go back and read... oh yeah, he did claim cop.

unvote

[Toaster Strudel]

We're doing poorly keeping our cops hidden from the mafia.

At this point, I'd like to vote for Fritzler or TSQ, if only as punishment.

[Toaster Strudel]

Why is that a "crap half-claim?" Though I suppose, once one is outed as cop, all the damage is done. Do we need to lynch a claimed cop, even if the details of the claim turn out to ring false? This early in the game, if the cop isn't nightkilled after a few nights, we will know if the claim was true soon enough. No?

[Toaster Strudel]

I think it's risky to speculate, our information is rather sketchy and incomplete. Probably tomorrow will be a better day, we'll have a lot more info.

[Toaster Strudel]

Pressure vote... why not. We are stalled.

vote: Bogre

[Toaster Strudel]

CPE's role seems very, very far-fetched to me.

I would only believe such a role if there was something questionable about the cop/vig sanity, otherwise, it's just too strong a role to be plausible.

@CPE - anything in your role PM that might make your sanity questionable?

[Toaster Strudel]

I think I believe CPE.

[Toaster Strudel]

I think I believe CPE.

if i didn't think

know

cpe was scum, i'd vote you.

Oh yeah? OMG, I am so excited! Once again I pack my bags, buy a one-way ticket for the most awesome wagon of the game! What an amazing opportunity! I am so ethused, I am wetting my upants.

vote:CPE

[Toaster Strudel]

Ooops... I think I apllied a posting restriction on the wrong game... I don't have to be sooooo excited about a wagon, urgh! Sorry about that.

But I think I know what klebian is trying to say. So the vote stays.

[Toaster Strudel]

vote: CPE

[Toaster Strudel]

Incorrect vote count, or have I been cursed with a null vote?

[Toaster Strudel]

It's the second time my vote is not counted. I seriously think someone has taken away my vote or something.

[Toaster Strudel]

It's official, someone stole my vote yesterday.

On another topic. Obviously, Fritzler is scum.

vote: Fritzler

[Toaster Strudel]

Oh great, my vote isn't counting today either.

[Toaster Strudel]

See you tomorrow, toodles.

[Toaster Strudel]

What I think doesn't matter, thanks to the vote-stealer, but Fritzler makes a lot of sense.

BTW - whoever is stealing my vote. I will find you out. And I will hound you in every game we're both going to play in. You have just declared war.

[Toaster Strudel]

What I think doesn't matter, thanks to the vote-stealer, but Fritzler makes a lot of sense.

BTW - whoever is stealing my vote. I will find you out. And I will hound you in every game we're both going to play in. You have just declared war.

I am so going to smear you with my frosting package. You are going to regret this.

[Toaster Strudel]

Don't bother prodding me I am around but I have no vote so who cares.

[Toaster Strudel]

Don't bother prodding me I am around but I have no vote so who cares.

Wait, you do have a vote, don't you? I mean, Thesp's vote doesn't show up twice, like yesterday, so you have a vote, right?

My vote isn't counted today either. I see I have Thesp to blame for this, and he did it

two days in a row to me

for no reason. Which means I will be exerting revenge on Thesp forever and ever. I will vig him, nightkill him, hammer him, daykill him, give false guilty results for him, vote for him for no reason until the end of time.

[Toaster Strudel]

Having no vote is too boring. Have me prodded if you need anything from me. Sayonara for now.

[Toaster Strudel]

OMG BB is pressuring me I have no choice I have to claim before I am hammered.

Roleclaim Vanilla.

I haven't had any vote for the past 2 days that's 2/3 of the game.

I have zero role and zero night actions and zero vote and zero day action. I am bored and frustrated with this game.

I am going to die to sensory deprivation anyway. Seriously this game has been such a bore for me I'd be glad if you vig me, nightkill me, lynch me, put me out of my misery any way you like.

I thought of asking for a replacement but it would be too cruel for the replacement.

I was going to vote for myself but I have no vote. God this game is boring. You guys with votes and roles and night actions go on and have your fun.

[Toaster Strudel]

Read my sig.

[Toaster Strudel]

BB, Thesp has stolen my vote two days in row and I am vanilla. This is no contest the absolute most boring game on record. I'm waiting for tomorrow.

I can't do anything, I don't care, I totally lost interest.

Lynching me would be more like euthanasia. I welcome death. You can be my Dr Kevorkian.

If I haven't been lynched out my misery or nightkilled, have me prodded tomorrow morning. Otherwise I'm outta here. I want to kill Thesp.

[Toaster Strudel]

Look, TS, Thesp attempted to steal Fritzler's role last night, so I do believe you still have a vote.

No I don't... I think I am voting for someone, maybe even Fritzler, but it's not recorded.

[Toaster Strudel]

Try again. In the meanwhile, Zindaras, I think Thesp said he tried to steal the ability n1 from fritzler. Pirate. Steals votes and abilities. Pro town, obv obv.

Just to entertain you.

unvote whoever, vote: Skruffs

Don't worry.

[Toaster Strudel]

How do you know Thesp steals abilities? He didn't steal an ability from me, I guarantee you that, I am a vanilla eunuch in this game. If he stole Fritzler's ability N1 how come my vote was taken away the next day? And today?

[Toaster Strudel]

Hey! Why is my vote counting... it wasn't before... the mod must have forgotten.

[Toaster Strudel]

The issue here is Thesp chose to steal the vote of someone who wasn't particularly scummy. That's not pro-town behaviour.

I don't think so either. But he says the first night he chose to have my vote removed, he actually targetted Fritzler, and Fritzler's guns were stolen. Did I get that right?

[Toaster Strudel]

I've read it. Because I almost replaced in.

The issue here is Thesp chose to steal the vote of someone who wasn't particularly scummy. That's not pro-town behaviour.

I chose to steal the vote of someone who was more unreadable at that point. I figured I'd use my ability in an investigative manner. I think it's practically confirmed that Toaster Strudel is town now. I'm happy with the results of my theft.

That doesn't make any sense, why twice in row, what's the deal with that? Pretty sketchy on your decisions, remember there were two nights. You think am I less readable than Fritzler? Thanks a lot. And thanks for making be the number 1 target for the nightkill.

[Toaster Strudel]

Welcome Big Al.

Here's an experiment.

vote: Thesp

[Toaster Strudel]

Yep. Still no vote.

If ever Thesp was stealing votes "and abilities" to "confirm" people we now know he was full of it.

Because he sure didn't need to "confirm" me again. He "confirmed" me yesterday.

I think it might just be because he already knows who is scum, and who isn't. So he doesn't care to use his ability several times on the same guy. He probably lied about targetting Fritzler the first day my vote was stolen. They're probably scumbuddies.

The rest of you can lynch him already, or Frtizler, I don't care.

I know I said it yesterday... but I'll say it again. If you need me for anything, have me prodded.

Just when I thought this game couldn't get any more boring, it did.

THESP IS SCUM> FRITZ IS HIS BUDDY> The Town knows what to do.

[Toaster Strudel]

Toaster Strudel, Thesp is dead. THat is probably why your vote is counting, right now.

Vote : Toaster Strudel

Thesp said he was targettnig me last night, this is ONLY to check that.

Thesp is dead (sorry it escaped my notice, good riddance, at least my reasoning was correct that he was scum I see), why is that the reason why my vote isn't counting?

Oh I get it. Voting for a dead guy can't count. Boy I am dumb as a bag of hammers sometimes.

test vote: Skruffs

I hope you don't mind Skruffs it's only a test.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yeah, I think we're going to have to go with Fritzler. Zindara's analysis, as outlined by SV, says it all.

unvote, vote: Fritzler

[Toaster Strudel]

no dahen makes people immune to investegations, which is actually pretty suspect.

That's a very good point.

vote: Dahen

[Toaster Strudel]

Making people immune to investigations cannot help the town. It's a role only a baddie could have.

I hope Dahen can explain the flavor of this role, and he better have a damn good explanation.

[Toaster Strudel]

BigAl. My role name is

town aligned pauper

.

[Toaster Strudel]

I am seriously thinking that the remaining scum is dahen (because of the roleclaim) and Blackberry. Blackberry's behaving like he's completely lost his mind.

[Toaster Strudel]

Fritzler's not going to survive this game. Maybe he could kill for the town tonight.

BB, the SK could kill one of us, not just the scum. That's why you lynch SK's, no?

[Toaster Strudel]

OK, let's lynch Fritz then.

vote: Fritzler

[Toaster Strudel]

Hey PJ - just nitpicking here. There's technically only 6 votes available - that means everyone except one will have to vote on the same person (excluding that person) right?

Anyways...Dahen being quiet still... can you prod them for us?
One of dahen/ritzler should be nominatd.

Totally. Dahen or Fritzler. I'd say Dahen if Fritzler promises to kill someone scummy. If Fritlzer won't commit to killing someone for us, then we have to kill Fritzler.

[Toaster Strudel]

I think Blackberry is scum.

He accuses everything and anything, he's trying to spread the suspicion and confuse the town as much as possible. The suspicions he expresses make no sense whatsoever and come far out of left field.

I think we need to lynch Fritzler AND Blackberry.

[Toaster Strudel]

That does it.

vote: Blackberry

Let's hear his claim.

[Toaster Strudel]

We're only 7 left.

5. spectrumvoid - has a dodgy role, difficult to interpret, but behaves like a townie.
11. Toaster Strudel - pauper.
19. Skruffs (Formerly Illumina) - puritan I think.
20. bigAl (Formerly KaleiÐoscøpe, Formerly Mert) - plebian.
18. Fritzler - without a shadow of a doubt, a non-town killer.
8. dahen (Formerly marli) - grants investigation immunity, kills if they accept.
9. Blackberry (Formerly CrashTextDummie, Formerly TheEyeOfMordor) - is comkpletely bonkers and hasn't claimed.

Frtizler is scum and should die.

Dahen's role is completely confusing. So I can't understand his choices, either. WHY did he pick Fritzler, why did he pick Thesp? And instead of ANSWERING questions with ANSWERS, ANSWERS with QUESTIONS!!! Look at this... http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=925

Also, we had THREE nights. Why does Dahen only reveal 2 choices, that are scum?

Blackberry is completely bonkers. Look at

any

post. I think he made ONE post that I read and thought "mmm... this one is not scummy."

I mean, look at this example:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=875

He's all excited that we can still "control" Fritzler even though he killed Hurrikaty... there's still a chance that he's a vig! He doesn't believe BigAl's claim? Or Dahen's? And he goes back and forth, and back and forth...

He's acting so crazy, I think we ought to have him claim. No? It's up to you. Personally I think we must lynch Fritzler, but I'd really like a claim from BB.

[Toaster Strudel]

Do you have any games in particular that you want me to study? Links would be appreciated.

Find them yourself. GO to my profile and view all my post.

[Toaster Strudel]

Hey Skruffs I can nitpick too. Is your FOS of BlackBerry IMPOTENT or IMPORTANT? It makes a difference for either a FOS or male anatomy.



K So...

1. Skruffs: peasant
2. TS: pauper
3. bigAl: plebian
4. Dahen: blocks investigations, witholding information from the town, answering our questions with more questions.
5. BB: no claim, purposely confusing.
6. SV: dodgy investigative role.
7. Fritzler: scum

[Toaster Strudel]

Frtizler is scum and should die.

do youever get tired about being wrong all the time?

No. For a true idiot like myself, the novelty of being wrong never wears off.

[Toaster Strudel]

If there a down side to lynching Fritzler?

[Toaster Strudel]

If there is no downside, why not go ahead and do it?

[Toaster Strudel]

Not you personally. Others can vote.

[Toaster Strudel]

That's interesting. Dahen, a likely scumbag candidate, declined to hammer Fritzler. Interesting indeed.

Can we

prod

that crazy nutbar Blackberry? I'd like to have his input at this time in the game.

[Toaster Strudel]

Skruffycakes,

No, I got no messages either, not even when my votes got stolen.

Obviously BB is scum. Dunno about dahen. But BB didn't claim, and he's acting mega-scummy.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yeah Skruffykins. Good questions. Bumping thread.

[Toaster Strudel]

I didn't get the item -_-

What a glorious show of scumlurk at a critical juncture.

Every BB post by itself is a "case against BB." Reading a single post of his is enough reason to vote.

vote: Blackberry

[Toaster Strudel]

Make no mistake about it, I am only unvoting to avoid a quick lynch as Skruffs says.

BB's refusal to claim in light of his own super-scummy behavior is worrisome. Especially since my vote, and a couple more, would mean a lynch. It further fuels my suspicions.

unvote

, grudgingly.

[Toaster Strudel]

BB: You are quiet today.

I'm confident scum is either Skruffs or TS, I need to reread the stuff though and look at how they intereacted with other players.

How's it going with your re-read?

Yeah... since BB is probably scum, he doesn't actually need to re-read... he can continue to make things up like he's been doing the whole game.

[Toaster Strudel]

Again throwing accusations in every direction hoping one of them sticks.

You're right, that IS an odd playstyle... for an alleged townie!

[Toaster Strudel]

My lack of interest as you know had much to do with my vote being stolen twice in row! But I have contributed plenty. And if you "metagame" me by looking at my behavior in other games you'll see that this one is no different from the rest. Go check this one: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4834&start=0 where I've just been lynched as a Townie. I was lynched for trying to get people to lynch a scumbag, but it backfired.

From where I am sitting, the scumpair is now quite clearly dahen and BB. BB, for his continued absurd accusations of everybody. That's purposely trying to confuse the town. His refusal to claim is highly suspect as well. Never in all my time playing mafia have I come across anyone so stubborn in refusing to claim.

Dahen has now become a top suspect as well, from his sudden acceptance of BB's refusal to claim. Dahen doesn't even mention BB's refusal in in last two posts.

Of course dahen would prefer to lynch BB

tomorrow

. Right. But get this: dahen wrote

So if BB is scum, I think he is alone.

Then why lynch me today, and BB tomorrow? That makes no sense whatsoever, does it? It's WIFOM at its best: we shouldn't lynch the "lone scum" we should lynch the hypothetical scumpair of myself and another townie? It's also distancing himself from BB.

Rather than berating BB for refusing to claim, dahen describes BB's latest post as "genuine" and makes a complete turnaround and is now going after other players who I think are very townie, like Skruffs and SV, and of course myself, who I know is town.

I still want to lynch BB today, and we can take care of dahen tomorrow.

vote: Blackberry

It was claim or die, and you choose "die."

[Toaster Strudel]

Nice graphic.

I got it, Skruffyluv, but townies like to nail scum, and BB is scum. Sometimes, you have to vote to nail scum. That's a very townie thing to do. And that's what I am doing. I don't know about SV, but I know about me.

BB is steadfastly refusing to claim. For no good reason, when he really should have bloody claimed. If that's noe a reason to vote someone then I don't know what it.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yes, I do understand. It's perfectly normal, I like your reaction.

I am not concerned about you, Skruffs, being scum. If you are scum you played a stellar game and deserve to win. I know I am not scum. Therefore the people I look at are SV, dahen or BB.

If BB isn't the last scum, then he's probably scum with dahen, not with SV, because SV jumped on him after I voted. I mean, just look at dahen's response to BB's steadfast refusal to claim. Dahen's is not a normal healthy townie response. It's a scumbuddy response.

The refusal to claim just does it for me. BB doesn't even come close to giving a reason why, other than claims make the game too easy! Well, I may be stupid, but not stupid enough to fall for that one.



So I do think BB is scum, and he's the right choice. So I boldly voted, and it felt right.

[Toaster Strudel]

I wonder.

If BB was a doctor, he would claim, no? Of course that would mean there's a good chance he might be nightkilled. But we'll be losing a townie tonight anyway. A doctor isn't as important as a cop. The doctor is most useful with an outed cop, no? Otherwise chances that he protects the right person, and has any use, are pretty slim.

Now, we know he's not the cop, because a cop's responsibility is to breadcrumb, and he specificially said he did not breadcrumb.

And Skruffs... BB is about to be LYNCHED... he should be more afraid of being lynched, than being nightkilled. And when you are in much much greater danger of being lynched, than being nightkilled, you claim, even if you're the doctor.

Pretty sure he's not the doctor, just plain old scum.

Since BB hasn't been lynched yet, I would guess that his scumbuddy is either (1) dahen or (2) Skruffs. I think it's pretty obvious which of the two.

[Toaster Strudel]

BB's claim sounds like hogwash to me.

It's a stiff, dessicated and lifeless description, unlike the rest of us, that have role flavors that fit the theme of "meadow of sorrow" - even the vanillas have some hint of sorrow flavor, like "pauper" and "plebian."

I am not buying it.

There sure was no reason for withholding the claim all this time! Haha.

[Toaster Strudel]

There sure was no reason for withholding the claim all this time! Haha.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that line right there basically says you know my claim is true, thus you must be scum.

No... I said that I don't think your claim is true, and that there sure was no reason for witholding the claim - the made up claim. There was no reason to withhold that particular kind of made up claim...

You've been asked for a full claim. I believe that means we also want your FLAVOR. You're still withholding information, but that's expected from a scumbag who doesn't want to compromise himself with claims the town might be able to verify.

[Toaster Strudel]

Hm.

BB: could you explain why you took so long to claim, considering you didn't actually have anything to hide?

I also really don't like the way dahen rushed to vote for TS.

I think that's proof enough that dahen is scum with BB, as I have been saying all along.

Notice how BB still refuses to give us any flavor whatsoever. I don't believe his role has no flavor. Fritzler's role might not have "fitted" the theme all that well, but it was very flavorful. We all have some flavor, except for BB.

Well, I think that Skruffs is the only non-voter. So, it's up to him.

[Toaster Strudel]

To be honest I was actually hopeing I'd to win with Fritzler cuz I like him and it woulda been cool. It's practically confirmed right now that TS/SV are scum since neither dahen nor Skruffs have lynched me when both have had the oppurtunity.

TS is scum and he is pissin me off with his incoherent logic, lol, so I'd prefer he lose.

Haha, I just noticed this hilarious post.

Yeah, the fact that neither jumped on you, all that means is that one of Skruffs or dahen is your scumbuddy!

I am scum and my logic is incoherent??? Hahahhaha. My logic is unassaillable, and your behavior has been hugely erratic the entire game, accusing everyone at random hoping some of it will stick, refusing to claim "survivor" on account that the game would be "too easy" - a convenient made up claim if I ever heard one. And still you stubbornly refuse to give flavor.

Know what I think?

I think you were stalling.

You wanted to have your scumbuddy around so that you both jeopardize the survival of a townie. And you're picking me, because I am the one most convinced that you are scum, and scum with dahen, and I am spot on, am I not?

[Toaster Strudel]

unvote

And why??? Are you suddenly cowardly scum?

Didn't you just say "TS, you are wrong as always this game." Which is a funny thing to say, since 2/3 of the game I had my vote stolen. You just want to paint me as wrong, since I nailed both scumbags, namely, BB and yourself.

You also said " I won't lynch BB today"? You won't repeat the reason why... but of course you won't lynch your partner, even though he's given 300 million very good reasons to vote him. It's like your mind is totally made up... short of BB claiming scum, you won't vote for him! Of course you won't vote your buddy today. Maybe tomorrow, when it's too late for the town, but not today!

Then you ask BB to "please vote for scum as Skruffs says" - haha. You wouldn't say that if you weren't BB's scumbuddy. Know why? It's because if you were both town, neither of you would know who the scum is... so asking BB to "please vote for scum as Skruffs says" is the kind of semantic slip that only scum would make.

[Toaster Strudel]

TS - you should not try to get someone lynched for doing things that you yourself have done. Like the less than two hours it took for SV to put BB at -1 last thursday? Why didn't that seem suspicious to you?

I know that, but there is a major difference - BB is like, so scummy, it hurts. SV's vote did seem hasty, and suspicious, and I did make a mental note of it, that SV was potential scum. But BB's wacky behavior (totally inconsistent with a role of "survivor"), his refusal to claim for making the game too easy, and the fishy claim that was like pulling teeth do him in to completely that I think SV was simply voting off the scum.

Conversely, dahen voted for me and declared that he would "not vote for BB today." Are you kiddin' me? How could anyone NOT vote for BB??? Haha.
When you put things in context, SV's quickvote for BB, while admittedly suspicious, is far less overtly scummy than dahen and BB teaming up against me. But I am well aware of SV's quick vote.

[Toaster Strudel]

Oh, a small point:

"you should not try to get someone lynched for doing things that you yourself have done"

Did you mean:

"you should not try to get someone (dahen) lynched for doing things that someone else (SV) has also done?"

[Toaster Strudel]

You make some good points. To be honest I am not so sure you are scum, i think SV is being a mastermindy scum, and bussing her buddy to get dahen lynched in the morning.

But I am not sure, which mkaes it hard.

Lunch, then ni'll vote.

Lo--_-OooOooooOoo0-0-0ng lunch, Skruffycakes!

Assuming that BB is scum, which isn't a big stretch of imagination, why would SV *rush* to bus her buddy?

I too have difficulty reconciling why you are adamant about not believing BB's, then his preposterous claim that is in direct conflict with his behavior, while condeming his stubborn refusal to claim, and yet, you can't bring yourself to hammer the scum.

In the same way that I found SV's quick vote suspicious, and kept it in the back of my mind, I am finding Skruff's paralysis to be scummy. What are you waiting for? A townie wagon to develop instead of the BB-scumwagon?



Lots of pressure on Skruffs, especially since dahen has solemnly declared that there's no way he's bussing his buddy today. Maybe tomorrow, haha.

[Toaster Strudel]

[Toaster Strudel]

TEOM isn't scum. I'm 100% sure about that, and I disagree very much with his lynch.

TEOM was replaced by blackberry. Zindaras was a 'psychic', which I can only assume is an investigative role.

Good find.

But I would beware of godfatherific roles.

In fact... "survivor" is a great fake claim for a godfather.

[Toaster Strudel]

Also, I never told BB to vote for TS. I told him to vote for scum as you said. I did this on purpose to see how he would interpret it.

You're making it up as you're going along.

Seriously.

The townies are trying to vote for scum, and the scum are pretending to try to vote for scum. What does telling a player to "vote for scum" change to this basic fact? You're making it sound like telling BB to "vote for scum" was some kind of deep complex strategy. Did you plan this for days, haha?

You did this on purpose to see "how he would interpret it?" Hahahaha. He might have thought this was an invitation to bus you, or vote for himself.

Of course, you must really be scum with BB. And you in fact don't care if anyone else is lynched, do you? You retrieved your vote after I pointed out how you inextricably involved yourself in a scumpair with BB. And no, you are not scum with SV.

You didn't need to tell BB who exactly to vote for. As long as he wasn't voting for either of you, who cares?

[Toaster Strudel]

Look at this post: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 027#565027 where BB says that DAHEN IS CONFIRMED.

Dahen is confirmed by sending a item to BB.

Blackberry, "Mr. I-never-claim-cuz-the-game-is-gonna-be-too-easy" declines to describe the item in question. He says that he did not receive the item.

WHAT???

Does that mean that the mod sent BB a message to notify him that he was NOT getting an item that night?

Dahen's claim is that he gives items that grant investigation immunity. He gave this item to Fritzler (???) and last night, he gave this item to BB??? BB, who hadn't claimed, and was acting super-scummy? Why does he keep giving the "item" to the scummiest player?

Unless there is no item, and dahen's claim is totally made up. If a townie player we all found scummy was investigated and found to be innocent, he could just say that he gave that person immunity so that we waste an investigation and maybe lynch the guy anyway.

So... I still think dahen is scum with BB, and BB is the godfather.

[Toaster Strudel]

@Skruffs: what was the item?

Could Skruffs be scum with BB? If that's true, then it's a good thing that dahen unvoted me quickly.

If SV is bussing BB, I don't think SV would have voted against BB *so quickly*.

If SV is bussing BB, how come she hasn't unvoted, now that the tide is turning, and Skruffs, quite wrongly I believe, now refuses to vote against BB?

Really guys... could Skruffs be scum with BB?

[Toaster Strudel]

If BB was town... he'd be dead already, no?.

I am town. If SV was scum, and had a scumbuddy, SV's scumbuddy would have hammered BB a long time ago.

9/20 scum, or 45%.
That's high.
Add a neutral survivor and you get half of the town that, at best, doesn't want town to win.

Brilliant find.

Do we perhaps have only one scum left? If so I would lean towards a godfatherific BB.

[Toaster Strudel]

Do we know SV's results from last night's investigation?

[Toaster Strudel]

Why would dahen have hammered BB, especially if BB has a godfatherific investigation immunity? dahen's "reasons" not to vote against BB, after all the "in your face" scummy townie-baiting that BB has put us through... didn't they strike you as both odd, and painfully weak? I dunno, maybe it's just me...

Why would dahen hammer BB? He said adamantly that no, he would not vote for BB today. Given all that BB did, it's a most extraordinary statement.

Skruffsky - can you explain this? I don't get it.

"If dahen were scum with BB, [...]

he knows I'm not going to vote him

and [/b]he'd have a win tommorrow anyways[/b] after nk'ing TS or SV."

dahen would win after NK'ing me or spectrumvoid... as scum. Even you can't get dahen as scum out of your head.

You didn't answer my earlier question. What item did you get from dahen? I'd like to make my own independent opinion about this.

[Toaster Strudel]

I know dahen could

easily

hammer BB, but why would he? He'd rather be 2 scum tomorrow, no? If we mislynch NOW, he wins, no? So he'd much rather NOT vote for BB, if they are scum partners.

So I totally don't think that the fact that dahen did not hammer BB means that dahen is not scum. On the contrary. I believe that he didn't hammer BB because he is scum. If dahen is not scum... well... I still think that BB is scum. The evidence is overwhelming, and I cannot ignore it. Between dahen and BB... BB is 100x scummier than dahen.

And I really want to know what that "item" is. I want to be able to judge for myself whether that clears him or not. I don't trust your opinion. If the item does clear dahen, I'll get off his case.

[Toaster Strudel]

Well it's true that dahen and Skruffs cannot possibly be scum together. That's a fact. But it doesn't mean that one of you is not scum.

If "Black Leg Miner" is some sort of hint from Skruffs about the item... then I believe it as a possible flavor and I would be willing to leave it at that.

Your endgame scenario is a bit wrong, I think it's a typo.

It should be, after the nightkill goes through:

Townie 1
Townie 2
BB

The mafia (BB) might nightkill me because I am so rabid with BB, or Skruffs because he's so townie. But Skruffs in indecisive, so they might leave him alive for that reason. They have a better hope of convicing Skruffs than me. Same with dahen. I am stubborn, they're wishy-washy (sorry guys, I love you *wink*).

So let's suppose:
Townie 1
Townie 2
BB

If BB is sole scum, we can win today.

I'd rather lynch BB today, and SV tomorrow. No? What would be wrong with that. I'd rather eliminate the biggest scum first. If BB is scum, and the game continues after that, I will be delighted to vote for SV.

Dahen - what is wrong with lynching BB first, and SV second? If you give a good answer, I will switch my vote.

[Toaster Strudel]

'Cuz you know guys, if SV was scum with BB, she wouldn't have RUSHED to bus him.

The speed at which she voted him makes be believe that she's not scum with him.

[Toaster Strudel]

Oh, I knew about blackleg miners because I have an old LP by folksy group Steeleye Span that I used to listen to a lot, and they have a song called "Black Leg Miner."

For the rest... sorry, I find it hard to even consider the possibility that BB is town!

I agree that from your point of view, SV's rush to vote "BB" with me, might mean that she's scum with me, but me, I know I am town, so I am more certain of my insight into SV's behavior than you are, because you do not know for a fact that I am town, like I do.

I may be silly headed and stubborn, but at least

I am not withholding very important information from the town, still, like, say, the flavor of my role.

So... why can't we lynch BB today, and SV tomorrow? I am not that stubborn that if someone gives me a good answer, I wouldn't change my mind. Because although I find dahen's

behavior

scummy, I am willing to go along with Skruff's "confirmation" of dahen though I am being deprived knowledge of the flavor of the item.

[Toaster Strudel]

unvote!

[Toaster Strudel]

It's night, but the mod's post was lost. We lynched that freak BB, who turned out to be a freakin' mason, and now it's night.

[Toaster Strudel]

Too bad we lost BB and Dahen's last posts.

Why didn't BB claim Mason??? Why didn't his buddy confirm they were mason? What kind of crazy scheme was that?

Skruffs, why would SV's knowledge of an alignment changer mean she's scum? Why don't you believe Dahen was satanic-aligned? Could he have been a satanic-aligned mason? Is that why BB didn't claim, is that why Dahen didn't save his buddy?

Skruffs, didn't BB said something about being with YOU??? Please un-confuse me.

[Toaster Strudel]

I know Dahen's refusal to vote BB means he might have been the Mason. Why didn't they claim Mason???? Argh!!!

If Dahen and BB were masons, would he need to change BB's alignment?

And I get what you're saying. There is no way that a "satanic" would kill another satanic.

I thought we got rid of the serial killer already, so it can't be that.

If SV changed role with Dahen, then SV is now BB's mason??? Obv it can't be an exchange... an nobody said their role was changed, right?

Are we SURE that BB was a Mason?

[Toaster Strudel]

SV, refresh my memory. Did you claim after the rolechanger role was revealed?

I too find it hard to believe BB was a true mason. He had this whole phony convoluted claim, then he turns up MASON??? I tell you, when I read that, my brains were leaking out of my ears from the pressure.

I too am suspicious of why Skruffs was so sure dahen was not scum.

Okay, I'll start off why I think Dahen is clear with this : Why do you think bigAl didn't kill the night he died? I'll give you a big hint. *HE TRIED TO*

Can you be more explicit?

[Toaster Strudel]

Fritzler may have actually been a vig, for all I know. He may have been a vig-mason with BB. It would explain BB saying he wanted to win with him. I have no clue. I am very confused.

I think you might be on to something. I am very skeptical that BB was actually a Mason.

[Toaster Strudel]

Why would dahen give you nightkill protection, instead of keeping it himself?

BB said he was a neutral survivor because he was scum.

How can we decide who was scummy in this game, if we can't trust the roles that are revealed?

SV might be an alignment changer. But BigAl was the ROLE-changer. Krap. How are we supposed to make heads or tails of this???

Maybe SV can switch with whomever she nightkills? Does that make sense? Probably not...

[Toaster Strudel]

Wait...

A) scum wins.
B) scum wins.
C) uh?

@ Skruffs
"What I'm saying is, if Dahen was really an alignment changer, and maybe changed BB's alignment to town, Then it would make sense that he wouldn't want to vote him. " But Skruffs, Dahen was not an alignment changer, since BB's entire ROLE was changed. This is beyond alignment. This must have been BigAl's doing.

@ Skruffs - I think SV is indeed scum. I bet she was an alignment-changer, not an alignment-detective.

[Toaster Strudel]

So the 'dahen-scum' wouldn't give it up argument doesn't stand.

Dahen would not give up such an item regardless of his alignment. No?

[Toaster Strudel]

Did Dahen HAVE to give his "gift", and before he gave it away, did he have the power himself? I would understand if the totem was his to give away, but not his to use on himself. Then I would believe that he'd give it to you. Do I make sense?

If there was a skruffs/dahen/blackberry trio, you'd have won yesterday, so no, that's not it. I don't believe that.

I am ready to vote for SV. I know I am Town, and I believe Skruffs is Town.

[Toaster Strudel]

That was a most noble of endgames, SV.

You played a good one. Great roleclaim.

vote: SV

[Toaster Strudel]

Can't wait to find out what the deal was with that crazy nutbar Blackberry!

[Toaster Strudel]

This game has brought me much sadness.

Much, much sadness.

Zindykins, you shoulda seen it coming in your crystal ball!

[Toaster Strudel]

SV, you musta been the corrupt Coroner!

[Toaster Strudel]

Dahen, how come you were mad at me? boohooo. I am still sure that BB was scum, especially since you are now confirming that you were Town. Why can't you understand Skruff's BB vote? BB's claim was crazy, and he was completely bonkers the whole game!

[Toaster Strudel]

I just had to make it to final two with a non-satanic, and if I did, I kill who ever is left and take them back home with me to be mounted and put on display in a museum.

*gets out the butterfly net and grins at Toaster Strudel*

Not such a bad way to finish the game for me, I'd rather you have a Toaster Strudel in your museum, than a Pop Tart! I always wanted to be famous.

[Toaster Strudel]

TS: Well, because I felt you were generally unhelpful at the start, voted a claimed cop, gave up on discussion because of the lost vote, confused me with others, forgot what I had claimed and not claimed and never seemed to understand my points. It could just as well be me that explained badly, but I was trying so hard and I felt it didn't matter what I said. No hard feelings though. I apologize if I was rude towards you.

I am just dumb! I didn't notice you were rude! But now that Skruffs has revealed his evil plan... don't you wish you would have given your totem to an idiot instead!

[Toaster Strudel]

Hey! My vote was stolen two days in row, that doesn't show up in the game stats!

Also, when and where did BB become a "Mason?"

I would not have thought that SV and BB were from the SAME scum group. I thought they were on different scum teams.

The amazing thing is that BB acted so bloody scummy that no one believed he was a Mason.

Laugh at me all you want, but my scumdar is pretty good. When I decide to sink my teeth into a player, I am usually right. And when a player decides to sink his teeth into me, he'll taste some delicious fruity goo.

Honestly, I think the town was overpowered, and it's a miracle we got that far!

[Toaster Strudel]

I made good use of having my vote stolen? Haha. Well. You're on to me I guess. I could have participated, but I figured I had a good reason to stay out of the discussion, and avoid being nightkilled for my opinions. Besides, I had no idea who to believe.

This game was loaded with death millers, engineered by SV to suit the scum's purposes. Yes, it was confusing. But luckily for the town, BB was so overwhelmingly scummy, and his claim so at odds with the role that was revealed, that henceforth I knew the role reveals were not to be trusted. Also, dahen as a scum nightkill... that was too weird.

And don't you steal my vote again, Thesp! There will be consequences...

[Toaster Strudel]

@spectrumvoid:

Why didn't you kill me?