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[Human Destroyer]

That's hardly adequete, Yates.

1. Of course it would be. Because it completely refutes your allegations.

2. You are also conveniently ignoring the meta that shows that I tunnel as Town which ALSO refutes your argument that I must be scum because I am tunneling.

3. AND you are being omgusy, which is what you said made ME scummy earlier. What's good for the goose isn't good for the Monkey?

It's not OMGUSy at all. My case is far superior to your psuedo-case on me.

Okay this is what we're going to do

Each of you is going to present a bullet-point case of the other. Why? Because your iso's are gigantic (Yates' moreso) and I can't be fucked to read them and decide whether one of you is scum or not.

That and also your arguing has seemed to devolve into meaningless banter that might become less meaningless if you represent each case

[MonkeyMan576]

He doesn't have a case except he thinks I scumslipped regarding when scum can or can't chat, which, as previously stated, was a crap case to begin with. All of his other points revolve around how I responded to his pointless questions.

[Human Destroyer]

And where are your points Monkey?

[MonkeyMan576]

I give up...*throws hand in air*

[Yates]

I give up...*throws hand in air*

That's how I feel about YOU right now. There's a reason NO ONE can find your "case," Monkey.

Also why has TAM disappeared of the face of the earth

He is being replaced.

TAM is being replaced.

My case is far superior to your psuedo-case on me.

YOU DON'T HAVE A FREAKING CASE! Post 484? That's what a case looks like.

He doesn't have a case except he thinks I scumslipped

And THIS STATEMENT proves you STILL aren't reading the thread. I believe you could possibly be confused about day and twilight. I DON'T believe you can be confused by the very first paragraph in my case made against you. This means you are, therefore, scum or useless. Either way, I'm happy to be done with you.

[MonkeyMan576]

I've posted my case twice in the last twenty posts. Do we really need it a third time.

You calling me useless points exactly to the case I make against you. It's basically a way for you to justify your bad tunnels.

[theaceofspades]

Yates, can you provide me links of people you have tunneled hard and determined they were town?

Why on earth would I do that?

becasue if you don't it simply proves your arrogance, that once you get a notion in your head no matter what the evidence to the contrary you will continue on that misguided path.

Monkey doesn't have ANY scum posts. and if you say anything about "12 posts to notice a mistake" help me god I will eat your children.

Next post I will link my unanswered q's

[Yates]

becasue if you don't it simply proves your arrogance

I already did. In this thread. Less than 5 posts ago. And pointed to a case in THIS game.

[-L-]

He hasn't addressed the satisfactorily at all, ~L~. He said one time when he brought up someone in one or two posts he changed his read. I'm talking about the major tunneling that is the issue. That should be plainly obvious that this is still a major concern.

I suppose it is, but I am uncomfy with the two votes back to back.

[Yates]

You calling me useless points exactly to the case I make against you.

OR - and hear me out on this - you are being useless.

[theaceofspades]

the biggest point is your hyper tunnleing on an obv town.

Why is Monkey obv Town? Convince me.

You accuse monkey of lying (ad hominem according to you. it's seems to be your favorite phrase)

Your reading comprehension is failing you. Go look up the meaning of the term ad hominem [thanks again, -L-]. Now go look at post 463 again. Pay special attention to the portion where I show that Monkey attacks *me* as a liar rather than the *argument* which should have been the point of his post.

This, on the other hand, is simple discrediting:

you're head is so far in the sand that you don't even know who the back up mod is

So there is a difference.

I would also like to point out that you are clearly wrong about this:

But everybody else that makes a mistake is lying and using fake mistakes to hide their agenda.

Because:

To the first part of 191. Yeah that was a mistake. I forgot that I was talking about you. I mixed you and HD up. Simple as that.

Okay...? So one of the main tenets of your argument against me was a mix up and "woopsie?" Has this caused you to reread that portion of the thread?

Which is something you have never answered, by the way.

In fact, you are voting me without a case other than accusing me of hyper tunneling - which we have already demonstrated is not alignment indicative - while I have quite clearly stated my case on the individual I am voting for. How about you post a clear and concise case on your lynch candidate?

monkey is town because there is literally no case against him, plus what he says has been consistent with a town motivated player, who has been attacked repeatedly and is freaking out about it.

Were did I say tunneling is not alignment indicative.

"i'm completely wrong because of this" what? you just made my point. Monkey makes a mistake. He must be scum. Ace makes a mistake, he must be stupid and nothing he says can be trusted (note, I realize you have never accused me of being scum. Which does net you a few town points, you still have a ways to go however) Yates makes a mistake, it's not a big deal just a little error.

Ad hominem is attacking the person not the argument. Calling you a turd. Saying your mama is fat. Saying you're ugly. Saying you are an old bag. All ad hominem. (and yes I know I suck at spelling) Calling someone a liar is not. BECAUSE, it attacks the CREDIBILITY of the argument.

If you lie. Saying you are a liar is not ad homonim. It is stating a fact, that you lied.
If you suggest that llamas are the best animals in the world based on extensive reading. and I say you're to stupid to know how to read. That's not ad hominem. If you are to stupid to know how to read then clearly you can't know something from reading it.

Same principle. you Misrepresented something (a lie) and got called a liar. No personal attacks here.

For a real example of ad hominem. There is a post were I call you a turd. That is ad homonim

To your last point. What do you want me to address? I don't see your point. Are you just wanting me to say if I have read that part of the thread again? Then yes. I've read the whole game twice. and 4 times from page 7. I stand by what I said. So what's your point?

You respond with red herrings here.

yates you misrepedd my point in post 507. Monkey's mistake or non mistake is WIFOM.

Was this your point?

So if the consistent response for a scum monkey and a town monkey is identical it becomes WIFOM.

If so, I have addressed this here:

So at this point, scum or Town, Monkey needs to be able to say this IMMEDIATELY:

Okay, I see the confusion. I had presumed that when fitz was talking, day had started. By the time I made my post, day actually had started. I thought you were only supposed to /confirm pre-day, so my bad for not realizing that fitz's post was pre-day.

And here:

Call it a "tunnel" if you want but I find it hugely suspicious that it took him TWELVE posts to come up with the "Okay, I see the confusion" post. Not enough to make him scum on it's own, granted, but a major indicator - much like a slow claim or botched claim.

The 12 posts points is crap. And you're still stuck on it. My point is that 12 post between making a mistake and noticing it isn't a scumtell. Every time I mention it you say something like "BUT LOOK it took him 12 WHOLE posts!!!! he's scum" Well quite. That' the point. That scumtell isn't a scumtell. Because if he was town he would have done THE EXACT SAME THING. so your entire case is founded on WIFOM.

You have yet to address this. And it is why I'm still voting for you.

[theaceofspades]

becasue if you don't it simply proves your arrogance

I already did. In this thread. Less than 5 posts ago. And pointed to a case in THIS game.

where. I can't find it. Where are the links mein freund?

I don't care personally cause I'm not going to read them. But the fact that you won't even post them is disturbing

[MonkeyMan576]

You calling me useless points exactly to the case I make against you.

OR - and hear me out on this - you are being useless.

Nope, I'm scumhunting, and unlike you, I actually have the ability to self reflect.

[MonkeyMan576]

He hasn't addressed the satisfactorily at all, ~L~. He said one time when he brought up someone in one or two posts he changed his read. I'm talking about the major tunneling that is the issue. That should be plainly obvious that this is still a major concern.

I suppose it is, but I am uncomfy with the two votes back to back.

What time limit do I have where I am allowed to vote?

[Yates]

Monkey doesn't have ANY scum posts.

All you have to do is look at the huge volume of questions and requests that he is ignoring. Those missing posts ARE his scum posts.

Here's a quick summary of 5 things off the top of my head that have cropped up SINCE my case on him:

1. He can't give you a hyperlink to his "case" on me.
2. He can't give you a hyperlink on his "case" on me despite being asked to provide one.
3. He claims he read meta, but refused to link to any.
4. He claims he read Scum and Town L and finds L to be playing to her scum meta - votes her - and still refuses to link to her Scum and Town meta as proof.
5. He claims to have read MY meta and refuses to acknowledge the link I provided [literally spoon fed to him] showing where I tunneled as Town but was wrong.

It is so obvious that Monkey isn't playing this game I can't possibly make it any more apparent than that.

[MonkeyMan576]

You know yates just because we all don't have 24 hours a day to research meta doesn't mean we're scum. Moreover just because you do have that much time doesn't mean you're town.

[Mehdi2277]

Current VC 1.13

Yates: theaceofspades, havingfitz, The Acting Method, MonkeyMan576 [L-3]
MonkeyMan576: Yates, Alduskkel, ArcAngel9 [L-4]
Matt-ShadowLord: Human Destroyer[L-6]
Human Destroyer: Slandaar [L-6]
havingfitz: The Central Scrutinizer [L-6]
ArcAngel9: Matt-ShadowLord [L-6]
Alduskkel: qwints [L-6]

Not Voting: -L-

With 13 alive it will take 7 votes to Lynch.
Deadline is on January, 26th. That is in (expired on 2013-01-26 19:11:00)

[-L-]

Yates Adhom. There. I gave you a middle name.

[Yates]

You know yates just because we all don't have 24 hours a day to research meta doesn't mean we're scum.

Maybe not. But saying that you read meta when you didn't makes you a liar, which IS scummy.

[-L-]

Yates, what are your thoughts on each of the people voting you? Why do you believe they have their vote on you?

Include me in that number.

I am asking in the hope you will provide insight that I cannot see.

[MonkeyMan576]

Just because I didn't post something doesn't mean I haven't read it.

[Yates]

Makes it look like I knocked him speachless.

Actually, this is what I was waiting on from you:

Spoiler:

Yates tunnels, double standardizes. is defensive. Doesn't listen. Has incredibly bad reads and suspects.

Tunnels - not alignment indicated. Discussed ad nauseum.
Double standards - disagree. Please give me examples.
Doesn't listen - how is this different from tunneling?
Defensive - not only is this not alignment indicative, how would you suggest I address very bad allegations [your post is a perfect example] that are provably fallacious?
Bad reads - not alignment indicative. You can disagree with my reads but there is no way you can say they are "bad" unless you already know the alignments of the players.

Do you have any objective evidence to suggest my alignment?

[Yates]

Just because I didn't post something doesn't mean I haven't read it.

Yes. It actually does. You *claim* to have read meta. You *claim* that meta led you to a read. When I ask you for examples? Silence. What am I to make of that? If you can't prove that you read the meta and that the meta points to L being scum then I can only assume that you DIDN'T read the meta and that you are making stuff up.

[Yates]

Yates Adhom. There. I gave you a middle name.

You don't know what that word means.

[Yates]

where. I can't find it.

I can't be held accountable for your inability to read.

Herpa derp Town is how we lost Rocky Horror. I tunneled on EP.