AMURIKA MAFIA - Game Over

[joelsdaman1]

Bookmarking for further reading.

[joelsdaman1]

Bulbazok

Sorry, looking fairly suspicious. Just a first vote, though.

[joelsdaman1]

Legit, had no reason for old vote, Cryo's right.

VOTE: No Lynch

And unless I see something convincing, I'll stick with it.

[joelsdaman1]

I've played before, quite a few times.

Because I don't have significant evidence to vote one person or another. However, if I don't post, I'll be a "lurker". If I just make comments I'll be an "instigator". Voting someone who's been voting before is "bandwagon", while randomly voting is "scummy". I'm not sure if I can just 'unvote' and leave it - if so I will. But for now I have no evidence to vote, but don't wanna seem scummy. Even though the two contradict. That's why I love this game.

[joelsdaman1]

Ugh, joel reminds me way too much of a certain scum newb that I misread as town in my last game. I kept attributing the "scumminess" of that player as "newbie mistakes" and would have paid for it if the most of the town hadn't disagreed with me. That said, I dislike the call for no-lynch, especially so early in the game when there

is

nothing to be had. Stuff doesn't happen until later in the day. It's just how this game works.

With that in light,

FoS: joelsdaman1

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I'm not sure whether Bulb's actions are scummy or just being overly defensive, having been the victim of a mislynch because other players misconstrued the latter as the former.

Gorgon feels a little more town than he did the last game I played with him, and since he was town in that game, that's good.

I don't have anything of particular importance to say about anyone else quite yet.

And, as I thought, I get blamed. Whatever, someone else will say something remotely weird and the new "shiny toy" will distract us.

Also, going FoS: "XXXX" is the scummiest thing ever. Pointing blame, and yet not actually voting. Plus, I'm not sure why people think I'm a noob...I've played this game for a while, but not on this site.

VOTE: SaintKerrigan

[joelsdaman1]

This vote is not a response to being voted for by the way. It's a response to the "finger of suspicion", the scummiest move in the game.

[joelsdaman1]

OMGUS? How about the others that voted for me before you?

No, I chose you. Because "finger of suspicion" flares up real scummy to me.

[joelsdaman1]

@goodmorning

At first I thought Bulba, but he seems town to me now. I have no decision yet so I'm currently No Lynch.

[joelsdaman1]

joel- What did you mean when you said...

Cryo's right.

To what were you specifically refering?

Uh, don't remember...
Oh yeah, when you said that I just jumped on the wagon; and I did. I'm off the wagon, I think Bulba's town, I think Saint's scum - not that it matters, because when I'm lynched you'll be pissed off that none of the "called team" is scum. Not my problem - town seems smart enough to figure out who's scum right now.

[joelsdaman1]

If I must I'll reveal my role (if that's allowed).

Am I?

[joelsdaman1]

Until I know whether or not I can reveal my role, I'll pit one question:

What *exactly* makes me seem scummy, as opposed to SK or Cryo obsessively accusing me? How does it seem like me and Bulba are a team, when we never interact, as opposed to SK and Cryo, agreeing with each other's every vote?

No one find that odd?

[joelsdaman1]

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=61

I've played on playdiplomacy.
I mean, I see how that seems suspicious, however, it must be more suspicious that SK and Cryo agree with each other's every move.

But seriously what *exactly* seems scummy about me? Because I've reread my posts, and I don't see any real, legitimate scummy moves I've made.

[joelsdaman1]

Uh, don't remember...
Oh yeah, when you said that I just jumped on the wagon; and I did. I'm off the wagon, I think Bulba's town, I think Saint's scum - not that it matters, because when I'm lynched you'll be pissed off that none of the "called team" is scum. Not my problem - town seems smart enough to figure out who's scum right now.

This seems scummy to me, joel. It seems like you're resigned to being lynched already. "Meh, just kill me and get it over with!" is how I interpret it.

Also, you have still not explained. why it's ok for Bulb to FoS you, but when SK does it, it's a scumtell. That's incongruous.

Also, no reasoning for townreads or scumreads on Bulb and SK.

Unvote

VOTE: joelsdaman1

I've not given up. I just understand that it's a team game and I'll still win if town wins.

I honestly didn't even notice Bulb FoS me. That does change my thinking a little.

UNVOTE: unvote

I need to think about it more. But for now I'm not happy with Bulb or SK - so watch out. Also, for those who accuse me for swinging votes - it at least shows I'm participating, rather than just posting a dumb joke every 72 hours and lurking. I'm trying to scumhunt, just like the rest of you. The reason I suspect SK is because he/she got really defensive and freaked out when I put pressure on her. Then again, so did I, so perhaps we're all town, and those that are lurking are mafia. That's usually how it turns out.

Those who voted for me, please read^^^

[joelsdaman1]

WIFOM?

You clearly did not read what I said. Using one word to describe what I wrote - then not answering my question. Very lazy - actually read it this time.

[joelsdaman1]

I was going to join a newbie game, but I already played a few times and figured I could handle it.

But, yes, this site is fairly different than playdiplomacy.

[joelsdaman1]

Fine! I'm a noob! I stink of noob! I reek of noob! I have a large plastic sign with bits of pigeon shit on it saying "we've got a noob here, folks"!

But I'm not retarded just because I'm new.

[joelsdaman1]

Oh I appreciate the defense, don't get me wrong.

It was more of a general statement, not an attack.

[joelsdaman1]

Cryo, your obsession with me is faltering - however actually makes you seem more suspicious.

And ArcAngel - you actually read my posts! thanks.

[joelsdaman1]

Cryo, your obsession with me is faltering - however actually makes you seem more suspicious.

And ArcAngel - you actually read my posts! thanks.

Flattering, not faltering.

[joelsdaman1]

Guys, you've been pressuring me for three days. I think it's pretty clear of 3 things:
1. I'm not used to this site, but I won't use that as an excuse for poor play
2. SK and Cryo really want me lynched, for whatever reason (I have my own suspicions why)
3. The people who are defending me have clearly read all my posts, while those that are accusing me have selectively read things that sound scummy.

Please have the decency to read all of my posts. And, seriously, SK & Cryo - you guys are just seeming more and more guilty the more you focus on just me.
And I've ignored Bulb's vote because I voted for him for no reason, so it was fair enough.

[joelsdaman1]

Good point - I went back and re-read your posts.

I'm not accusing you of anything (hence my unvote).At this point, I see that my behavior could be seen as scummy, and therefore you and SK are just trying to find some scum to lynch. So I'll just continue my scumhunting and hopefully you'll see that I'm not mafia.

Also, does anyone else find it extremely tedious to question the innocent child? It's a mega waste of time, right?

[joelsdaman1]

Yeah, I meant Cryo.

But innocent is essentially lynch-proof, correct?

[joelsdaman1]

Show me an example of this that is genuinely scummy.

Not "seemingly half-ass" scummy, but genuinely scummy.

[joelsdaman1]

I just had a thought (pretty rare).

Cryo may be a lyncher. He's been obsessed with getting me from day one, and started the Joel wagon.

He's been more lyncher-like then I've been mafia-like.

[joelsdaman1]

I'm beyond confused as to how my posts are scummy.

Be specific as to EXACTLY what posts have been scummy, and be specific.

[joelsdaman1]

^Be specific to what makes them scummy

Also, sorry about your dog hope he feels better

[joelsdaman1]

Urrr...why?

[joelsdaman1]

What...?
Tell me what specifically it relates to and I'll tell you.

[joelsdaman1]

I'm 16, male and British. Good?

[joelsdaman1]

You're freaking me out...
I don't need another stalker.

[joelsdaman1]

Funny thing is, if you weren't innocent child, we'd all think you were scum.

[joelsdaman1]

I was making a point.
He's acted like a lyncher more than I've acted scummy. It;s not a genuine accusation, I'm making a point. Him being a lyncher is pretty ridiculous, but then again the "evidence" points to it, just like the "evidence" points to me being scum. People that are obvscum rarely are - it's far more likely to be someone that's slipped under the radar.

[joelsdaman1]

Because I've jumped votes a lot and acted "foreign". Idk, but I have the majority of the votes for now for some reason.

And it does make sense. More often then note (at least where I come from), the Mafia are always the ones just throwing in the occasional comment, not in on the action.

[joelsdaman1]

Okay, we'll make a bet:
Lynch me today, fine. If I'm scum, then swell for the town.
If I'm not, then the whole town votes you next day. You even vote for yourself.

Good? I'll even vote for myself if you'll take on this bet.

[joelsdaman1]

Do you agree or disagree to my bet?
Because if you disagree then all of this is meaningless babble.

[joelsdaman1]

"Our"? What "our"?

So now you're the town leader, eh? How do people feel about this?

Also, what questions?

And not until you agree/disagree to my bet.

[joelsdaman1]

How so?

Please be more specific, I'm tired of hearing vague accusations.

[joelsdaman1]

I'm still a little confused. What exactly warrants me to have all this pressure, how do I seem "noobscum"?

I feel like I've been pounced on since my first post.

[joelsdaman1]

^That's why I got pissed at SK in the first place

[joelsdaman1]

Very little, thanks to my every post being "noobscummy".

The reason I have contributed little so far is 100% your fault. Nobody can deny that. You've obsessed on finding some weird little fault in my every comment.

So from now on I'm ignoring you, and will just continue with my scumhunting. If that bothers you, well, too bad.

[joelsdaman1]

Not really. Same shit, different toilet to me.

[joelsdaman1]

@DansAdvent & Doctor Black

Please explain your votes for me.

[joelsdaman1]

Okay, in that case please explain your vote for me.

[joelsdaman1]

VOTE: Cryo

Not OMGUS, but as a response to the way he finds some fault with everyone's post but his own. For flinging votes around like ape shit, being a jerk and a half, and questioning beyond what is reasonable.

[joelsdaman1]

Oh, how the mighty fall. Cryo's biting words and obsession with me have come back to haunt him. He'd better be killed for his cheating, or something's wrong with this game.

So...let's see here. The people on the Joel wagon:

Dan: Lurker. I'm surprised no one has cared, he's avoided modkill with nothing but occasional apologies and excuses.

Doctor Black: Gone with the wind...lurking/in a coma

SK: Once she got the Joel wagon going, has now hidden for a while

Cryo: Cheater cheater pumpkin eater. If he goes as far to break the rules to prove my guilt, there's gotta be something fishy about that to everyone.

Om: I can respect this vote. It's well thought-out, and he's at least been involved, so I have a huge town read off him.

Bulba: Same^, has remained active and has clearly thought out his vote for me

On another note, what's a hydra?

[joelsdaman1]

Huh?

[joelsdaman1]

Okay Dan, that's a fair assessment. But no one has put pressure on you, so I have no idea of your alignment, although I find it hard to believe that you couldn't have posted for all this time.

I really need to know what's going on with Cryo. It's fairly important.

[joelsdaman1]

Please explain your vote for me.

Also, AA9 - I appreciate the defense, but you're seeming very scummy to me. If Cryo's modkilled, I will vote for you for sure. I hate pinning someone defending me, but your wriggling and squirming under minimal pressure.

I'm disappointed, I've gotta say. I need a decision on Cryo ASAP.

For now, I'm voting VOTE: ArcAngel9, but I want a decision on Cryo.

By the way, what does L-1 mean?

[joelsdaman1]

I understand.

She squirmed and freaked out under very little pressure from you. There was no good reason to defend me...so it's confusing. Plus, she's jumped votes like crazy.

Also, what's L-1?

[joelsdaman1]

Oh! Okay, I thought you were telling me that I have one vote until I'm lynched.

I don't think I do...I have 3 votes now, correct?

[joelsdaman1]

You find *everything* curious. I've learned it means bubkas.

Also, if she didn't freak out, why the hell would you vote for her?

[joelsdaman1]

My response is no.

My vote for AA9 has nothing to do with yours. We don't even have the same reasoning for it. There is no sheeping involved.

And finding everything curious means a lot of attention is flung on to others, and off you. It makes you seem a bit scummy as well.

[joelsdaman1]

To use your own words: this is not a dating website. I will not rate your scumminess level.

And count the number of times she's changed votes.

[joelsdaman1]

You don't agree with what assessment?

[joelsdaman1]

It's the pointless vote for Bulb that irritated me.

[joelsdaman1]

I'm not on Bulba, I'm on AA9.

[joelsdaman1]

Okay, so first you cheat.
Then, you try to use my wanting of a decision as an argument.
You're essentially using your cheating to your advantage right now.

Stop.