NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[ZONEACE]

VOTE: smash. Only with death can there be a new Argentina.

[ZONEACE]

Zoneace: What are you talking about? lol.

its an Evita reference.

[ZONEACE]

VOTE: ZONEACE

Also I was Under the impression that PGOs claiming early Day 1 was the expected thing. Can someone confirm this?

Oh what a circus, oh what a show.

[ZONEACE]

who's your buddy kingdomaces?

This is not helpful, nor is it remotely like scum hunting.

We'd love you to stay, but you'd be in the way, so do up your trousers and go.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bacde

[ZONEACE]

Found the scum

Vote: ZONEACE

look at his last post, look at it!

who's your buddy kingdomaces?

This is not helpful, nor is it remotely like scum hunting.

We'd love you to stay, but you'd be in the way, so do up your trousers and go.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bacde

He is blatantly addressing me as town and simultaneously voting me!!!

look at it!!

Oh but it's sad when a love affair dies, but we have pretended enough. It's best that we both stop fooling ourselves. Which means

...you're full of shit.

I never addressed you as town. I voted for you because you're were blatantly being not helpful and not scumhunting.

You OMGUS/revenge vote is just making me more secure in my decision

[ZONEACE]

so... you are voting me because you think I am unhelpful and not because you think I am scum?

Sounds like a case scum would make to me. You have no accountability in your reasoning for voting me

Also: did you know that town are more likely to OMGUS than scum? I'll let you say that I'm more suspicious for saying this comment before I explain to you why

Dice are rolling, the knives are out. Would-be presidents are all around. I don't say they mean harm but they'd each give an arm to see us six feet underground.

Also, did you know that one day I one I'm just as happy lynching intentionally unhelpful townies as I am scum? So regardless of which one of them you are, I'm fine with my vote. You are acting in a way that seems scummy to me. If it's because you're scum, or just stupid I'm not sure, nor do I care all that much. Your actions stand in the way of a town win, so let's get rid of you.

[ZONEACE]

so... you are voting me because you think I am unhelpful and not because you think I am scum?

Sounds like a case scum would make to me. You have no accountability in your reasoning for voting me

Also: did you know that town are more likely to OMGUS than scum? I'll let you say that I'm more suspicious for saying this comment before I explain to you why

Dice are rolling, the knives are out. Would-be presidents are all around. I don't say they mean harm but they'd each give an arm to see us six feet underground.

Also, did you know that

on day one

I'm just as happy lynching intentionally unhelpful townies as I am scum? So regardless of which one of them you are, I'm fine with my vote. You are acting in a way that seems scummy to me. If it's because you're scum, or just stupid I'm not sure, nor do I care all that much. Your actions stand in the way of a town win, so let's get rid of you.

ftfm

[ZONEACE]

Flavor text in italics that sounds poetic and probably has something to do with my post but I'm not sure how

Come on little one, don't sit there like a dummy.

Philistine.

[ZONEACE]

Smash is town

Things have reached a pretty pass
When someone pretty lower-class
Graceless and vulgar, uninspired
Can be accepted and admired

you two seem to be having a lovely little circle today. Following, sheeping, buddying. It's all very adorable.

And giving me bad juju.

[ZONEACE]

Smash is town

Things have reached a pretty pass
When someone pretty lower-class
Graceless and vulgar, uninspired
Can be accepted and admired

you two seem to be having a lovely little circle

jerk

today. Following, sheeping, buddying. It's all very adorable.

And giving me bad juju.

[ZONEACE]

1) If you feel like mine or Bacde's actions are suspicious, put a vote down.

Why is our friendliness suspicious enough for you to point out but not suspicious enough for you to want to put a vote on?

who's your buddy kingdomaces?

This is not helpful, nor is it remotely like scum hunting.

We'd love you to stay, but you'd be in the way, so do up your trousers and go.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bacde

[ZONEACE]

I think ZONEACE has a posting restriction.
Or he's being weird. One of the two.

There again we could be foolish not to quit while we're ahead

No PR. Just having flavor fun. I'm a big ole theater queen and since this is just a large normal I thought I'd make it fun for myself by quoting topical lines from the show of the day in posts with relevant game content.

So, the answer is weird.

[ZONEACE]

i think i'll read this thread later. why is zone the leading wagon?

The actress hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear

I came down hard on Bacde (and tied him to smash) and i'm being "weird" by posting flavor related quotes that are relevant to my posts. So basically I'm an easy target.

[ZONEACE]

probably because i'm not reading half the people in this thread

if you expect me to try to canvas an 18 player game and win via PoE on day 1 then Go Fuck Yourself

How annoying that they have to fight elections for their cause
The inconvenience, having to get a majority

Nothing like some good old active non-participation to endear yourself to everyone.

[ZONEACE]

unvote

1) Konowa = useless
2) TheTrollie = useful town
3) ActionDan = useless
4) Go = obvious town
5) Nobody Special = idiot town
6) wind-up = town
7) Human Destroyer = obvious mafia
8) KingdomAces = obvious town
9) roflcopter = town
10) JacobSavage = useless
11) Kdowns = useless
12) ZONEACE = useless troll
13) greygnarl = useless
14) petapan = obvious

troll

15) Smashbard = idiot town
16) MrZepher = idiot mafia
17) Dramonic = useless
18) Bacde = troll town

vote: zepher

ftfy

[ZONEACE]

Forgive my intrusion, but fine as those sentiments sound
Little has changed for us peasants down here on the ground
I hate to sound childish, ungrateful, I don't like to moan
But do you now represent anyone's cause but your own?

This new wagon is a fucking abortion. You all should be ashamed.

[ZONEACE]

zoneace passively trying to defend this wagon while not bothering to say anything substantive is terrible, like everything he posts

Look, we get it, your playing style is "irritated and inflamed twat that knows how to use a computer" but it's seriously getting tired. Maybe it's time to find a new schtick. Or at least a more original one.

[ZONEACE]

It's more bearable if you don't take it personally.

I'm not taking it personally. I just find it childish and really fairly useless. gaping asshole is a nulltell, but one that encourages voting and I can't say with any certainty I won't try to lynch him at some point just to get him out of the game so I no longer have to read his childish drivel.

[ZONEACE]

If there was a yawning smiley this is where I would use it.

[ZONEACE]

I'm drunk as shit. Happy broadway.

[ZONEACE]

I'm drunk as shit. Happy broadway.

OPA!

I love you Matt. Lets have sex.

[ZONEACE]

Sorry. That was inappropriate.

[ZONEACE]

Nah it was in the context of Big brother wasn't it? ;P

I believe that Dram is a sub-optimal lynch. I don't think I'll support it.

Yes


/stillfuckingdrunk

[ZONEACE]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ZONEACE

i still don't like dram but not posting because he doesn't want to catch up on the thread is at least somewhere outside KILL IT WITH FIRE territory

hurrdurr

[ZONEACE]

TheTrollie: I'll be honest, I refuse to read anything you post as a counter point within quotations. You never did any of that in the Newbie Game we played together and Nachomamma thought you were guaranteed town. This vast change of playstyle makes me feel like you are scum trying to make your counter points as fluffy, hard to read and wordy as possible to make it seem like you are contributing when your scumhunting is a lot worse than it was in the Newbie Game we shared.

this is absolutely, unforgivably dumb (or stubborn, or both).

[ZONEACE]

dramonic is a horribad lynch wtf

JS is on V/LA

What is the case on ZONEACE even

Zepher I'd be okay with

UNVOTE:
VOTE: greygnarl

I was weird at the beginning of the game because of my Evita posts and.....


yeah. that's it. Smash and Bac marked me early, and without making a viable case (on me or any) bac has gone back to me.

[ZONEACE]

Zoneace's argument was essentially "it doesn't matter if X is town or scum, we need to lynch X" which means if X flips town Zoneace could easily respond with "ah well it didn't matter his alignment anyway good lynch

Nice misrep. My argument was that the way you were playin early on, regardless of alignment, was bad for the town. In addition the interaction/shadowing/sheeping/buddying of smash read scum to me.

Now kindly hang.

[ZONEACE]

Zoneace says Bacde is scum, guaranteed. He needs to be lynched today no matter what.

Another lazy missrep. You 2 are certainly sticking together in every way.

[ZONEACE]

Idk what the vote count looks like so I'm not going to vote for the sake of not accidentally hammering
I'm willing to hammer too if that's where we're at.

There'll be more time to look at Dram tomorrow I suppose.

@mod: VC pls

Quick look at the votes since the last VC I think GG is at 8.

last VC, GG has votes from HD, Smash, Bac and NS. Since then. Smash, has gone off and come back, Peregrine voted GG, Peta has voted GG, Kono has voted GG and ROFL has voted GG.

so, yeah, looks like 8.

[ZONEACE]

Whether it was a bad move or not, lynching is crucial to us being able to gather information. Through vote count and wagon analysis of the previous day. I would rather mislynch than no-lynch. Because then we are left with the exact same amount of information that we had Day 1, because night kill speculation is too easily dismissed as WIFOM and thus is not as useful as being able to solidify reads based on who was and wasn't on Greygnarl throughout the previous day.

All I know for sure is that his flip will solidify my read on Zoneace. Because whatever alignment Greygnarl is, I'm positive Zoneace shares it. That was really Greygnarls only useful contribution was his hardline anti-wind up and pro-zoneace stances.

This post, like most of yours (and bacde's) is fucking terrible.

[ZONEACE]

Whether it was a bad move or not, lynching is crucial to us being able to gather information. Through vote count and wagon analysis of the previous day. I would rather mislynch than no-lynch. Because then we are left with the exact same amount of information that we had Day 1, because night kill speculation is too easily dismissed as WIFOM and thus is not as useful as being able to solidify reads based on who was and wasn't on Greygnarl throughout the previous day.

All I know for sure is that his flip will solidify my read on Zoneace. Because whatever alignment Greygnarl is, I'm positive Zoneace shares it. That was really Greygnarls only useful contribution was his hardline anti-wind up and pro-zoneace stances.

This post, like most of yours (and bacde's) is fucking terrible.

Says the person who's contributed exactly zero scumhunting effort all game. I'm hurt, really. Your sheer amount of credibility on the subject of terrible posts makes me ashamed of myself for making such a bad post.

I mean, after all, you would be the best judge on what makes a fucking terrible post. You've been playing like shit all game.

zepher and smash are actually the best vig targets. if zepher flips scum human destroyer dies next.

I fully expect to be dead by tonight anyway. It's ok, I've already laid out a contingency plan in case that should happen that'll give you guys a useful weapon after my departure.

Please stop breadcrumbing nonsense.

[ZONEACE]

I'm alive, I'm alive, I am so alive

vote

nothing has changed for me since yesterday, though I do reserve the right to vote Zeph at a later time (but I don't want to run up the wagon so quickly at the start of the day and cause a lynch before everyone has a chance to post today)

[ZONEACE]

I'm alive, I'm alive, I am so alive

vote

nothing has changed for me since yesterday, though I do reserve the right to vote Zeph at a later time (but I don't want to run up the wagon so quickly at the start of the day and cause a lynch before everyone has a chance to post today)

yeah that was supposed to be VOTE: bacde

[ZONEACE]

where did ZONEACE go?

I'm alive, I'm alive, I am so alive

vote

nothing has changed for me since yesterday, though I do reserve the right to vote Zeph at a later time (but I don't want to run up the wagon so quickly at the start of the day and cause a lynch before everyone has a chance to post today)

yeah that was supposed to be VOTE: bacde

Right here honey.

[ZONEACE]

Maybe I’ve lost it at last
Maybe my last lucid moment has past
I’m dancing with death, I suppose.
But really, who knows?

I have a solid gut feeling that this is multi-ball.

what does this mean?

[ZONEACE]

Multi-ball = more than one scum faction.

Let there be light.
Come on, Dad, let there be light.
You can't sit here in the dark for hours on end, it's just not right.
Let there be light.
Let there be light.

So, one of them can't kill? We had a successful block? Alternating night kills?

[ZONEACE]

Your guess is as good as mine. It's just a hunch.

We'll sit right down together just like a family should
And eat and talk and laugh and joke my family and me
Its gonna be good gonna be good
Gonna be gonna be gonna be gonna be gonna be
Good good good good good good good good good good
Gonna be good, gonna be good
Gonna be good you'll see.

ok, right, No, i get that's a hunch. But based on fuck all as far as I can see. I see no indication from existing evidence that is something we need to be seriously considering. Unless you've picked up on something I've missed.

[ZONEACE]

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
This is fucking perfect!

Oh goodie, let's have a nothing poorly thought out/likely scum led shit-wagon on someone rather than actually being good mafia players and finding scum. Surely we'll win if we keep up this strategy.

[ZONEACE]

@Smashbard are you forgetting about 1393?

Remember how slaandar and denisatp

HARD

-bussed Thor on d1? And got him lynched?

Yeah, pushing someone and having them flip maf doesn't make you confirmed town

Can you tell me what it is you're afraid of?
Can you tell me why I'm afraid it's me?

kinda like how you're about to hard bus smash after he threw out that awful NS vote?

[ZONEACE]

What is S>W?

Also, a few of your town reads are absolute shit.

[ZONEACE]

Strong > Weak

And only the townreads? Not the scum reads?

Didn't I see this movie, with McMurphy and the nurse?
That hospital was heavy, but this cuckoo's nest is worse.
Isn't this the one where in the end the good guys fry?
Didn't I see this movie, and didn't I cry?
Didn't I cry?

I'm fairly neutral on the scum reads, Obviously your read on me is a massive failure, and I expressed yesterday how terrible an idea I thought a dram lynch was.

But, Smash and Bac being 2 and 3 on your town list is unacceptable.

[ZONEACE]

Strong > Weak

And only the townreads? Not the scum reads?

Didn't I see this movie, with McMurphy and the nurse?
That hospital was heavy, but this cuckoo's nest is worse.
Isn't this the one where in the end the good guys fry?
Didn't I see this movie, and didn't I cry?
Didn't I cry?

I'm fairly neutral on the scum reads, Obviously your read on me is a massive failure, and I expressed yesterday how terrible an idea I thought a dram lynch was.

But, Smash and Bac being 2 and 3 on your town list is unacceptable.

The fact that you are STILL tunneling me because you're too damn butt hurt that for one second I thought you were scum tells me you're the one with massive failures for reads.

I can't vouche for Bacde anymore. His Day 1 play was very much Town Bacde from what I've read on his meta. But he usually pursues lynches a lot harder than he is now. Almost everything Bacde has said today is just skating through the day. "This guy here looks scummy, but I won't vote him". and "I'd lynch these guys, but I'm not voting them now." Both seem like positions cautious scum would take, and not the bold careless Bacde I knew from our previous game together.

To claim I am tunneling you, smash, is highly disingenuous and a total misrep (now, at least the second time you've misrepped me). I have yet to vote for you in this game. In fact, IF I could be accused of tunneling anyone it would be Bac and I don't feel I'm "tunneling" him. I just feel very strongly that he is scum and have chosen not to (unless absolutely necessary or in the case of a major slip by someone) put my vote anywhere else but on him.

[ZONEACE]

I'd like to amend my last post, because I forgot that I RV'd Smash day one.

[ZONEACE]

Your reading skills may have failed you, but I have presented my reasons for suspecting both of you already. Feel free to ISO me if you've missed it.

[ZONEACE]

tell you what, lynch Zepher-scum with me and then tunnel me tomorrow.

deal?

I'm actually okay with my vote.

[ZONEACE]

Literally all of the townie feelings I had for NS were killed on page 18

really, these two posts did all that?

I'm gonna oppose the Zephyr lynch on the grounds that if he flips scum then people will lynch me.

This is extremely self-serving (and thus scummy).

yeah I'm down for either zepher or dramonic at this point

pretty much both of the big wagons that aren't the bacde-wagon look good to me right now

As is this.

Jesus, where did you people learn to play Mafia??



TheTrollie: I (and many other people, I believe) do not read responses embedded within quotes. Learn to reply properly or GTFO.

This fucking game.


P-Edit: hey dram, stop picking my brain.

Smash, to answer your question, I have no idea why they are playing badly enough to be lynched for stupid scumtells.

Everybody's got the right to be happy!

[ZONEACE]

OOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOohhhhhhhhhh, I've been warned.

I'm not distracting from anything. As you said yourself I haven't convinced anyone. So why are you so concerned? If I'm scum trying ot push a mislynch I'm clearly doing a SHIT job of it, especially considering there are other more attractive and easier targets for such a thing.

And while I may have made my initial points 20 pages ago, the two of you have continued your little love affair since then, so the points I made still apply.

Right now, if I were scum, I'd be ALL OVER NS and the weak mess of a case on him..

[ZONEACE]

Wow...you're really fucking stupid.

I never said you were scum. I'm not concerned with your vote on Bacde, I'm concerned with your complete lack of TRYING to convince us why he is scum.

I have come around more than twice so far this game on possibly thinking Bacde was scum. These would of been golden opportunities for you to present new evidence and put me over the edge on joining you on a Bacde vote.

But you're so irrevocably, irreversible mentally retarded that you can't even RESTATE WHY YOU THINK SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A SINGLE SENTENCE!

Welcome to my ignore list. You officially cease to exist in this game until someone notifies me that you've said something that is actually worth reading that doesn't cause my head to hurt with how unbelievably stupid you are.

bitch, fuck off.

You want it restated that badly, here,

Bacde was doing worthless twat things day one that were not helpful to the town, i voted him because on day one I'm just as open to lynching worthless twat town that might otherwise survive to a time where there still being alive is dangerous for the town (lylo/mylo). The reason I'm okay doing this day one is because we are already more than likely to lynch town day one so why not make it a shit townie. However, following my initial vote, bacde and you began to interact in ways that, as I said, gave me "bad juju" which moved my opinion of bacde from one of "worthless twat town" into possible scum territory. The interactions between the two of you have continued unabated now into the second day.

So, originally my suspicions of you were tacked to my suspicions of bacde, but since that time you have thrown your own little shit parade. at the end of day one you were breadcrumming nonsense straight out your asshole.

here is that bit for reference.

Whether it was a bad move or not, lynching is crucial to us being able to gather information. Through vote count and wagon analysis of the previous day. I would rather mislynch than no-lynch. Because then we are left with the exact same amount of information that we had Day 1, because night kill speculation is too easily dismissed as WIFOM and thus is not as useful as being able to solidify reads based on who was and wasn't on Greygnarl throughout the previous day.

All I know for sure is that his flip will solidify my read on Zoneace. Because whatever alignment Greygnarl is, I'm positive Zoneace shares it. That was really Greygnarls only useful contribution was his hardline anti-wind up and pro-zoneace stances.

This post, like most of yours (and bacde's) is fucking terrible.

Says the person who's contributed exactly zero scumhunting effort all game. I'm hurt, really. Your sheer amount of credibility on the subject of terrible posts makes me ashamed of myself for making such a bad post.

I mean, after all, you would be the best judge on what makes a fucking terrible post. You've been playing like shit all game.

zepher and smash are actually the best vig targets. if zepher flips scum human destroyer dies next.

I fully expect to be dead by tonight anyway. It's ok, I've already laid out a contingency plan in case that should happen that'll give you guys a useful weapon after my departure.

Please stop breadcrumbing nonsense.

so kindly go shove your righteous indignation at my retardation and laziness straight up you disease ridden urethra.


Or would you maybe like to misrep me again, again?

[ZONEACE]

VOTE: Zone

I am perfectly comfortable with this on an ethical and a logical level.

...........




Congratulations on this, it's super good.

Your 4th truly game relevant post (yes there are more about chicken's without heads and finding something on page 28, but only 4 have been actually substantive) out of 15 posts since you replaced in and it's a vote on me for adhoming. Just, really, really useful.

[ZONEACE]

I'm not distracting from anything. As you said yourself I haven't convinced anyone. So why are you so concerned? If I'm scum trying ot push a mislynch I'm clearly doing a SHIT job of it, especially considering there are other more attractive and easier targets for such a thing.

bc if you are town then you are my teammate and your reads are invaluable to me, yet you are choosing to make yourself useless right now

also if you are scum then you are doing a perfect job of hiding, rather than pretending to scumhunt

Both of these reasons in conjunction means that I am motivated to get you off your high-horse and actually get your hands dirty and find scum, rather than just be pissed off at me for reasons I don't know what they are

refusing to follow you and smash around does not make me useless.

And i have provided reasons, now multiple times, for my vote for you, if you still don't get it, that is on you, not me.

[ZONEACE]

I realize there are requests out for me to respond to certain things and I will, I just felt the need to point this out now.

I'm just going to throw it out there guys, what is it going to take to get at least 9 of us to agree on a lynch? I'm getting real sick and tired of having 3-4 different wagons with everyone going Nobody Special, Mr. Zepher, Dramonic and Bacde are 100% scum guaranteed and everyone just sitting on their hands waiting for people to jump on their pet wagon of choice without even trying to scumhunt anymore.

So what's it going to take?

I was pretty good at laying the ground work for convincing everyone to come together for a lynch on Greygnarl. What have you done?

Right, nothing.

I was hoping that through Greys flip that we could get some information going and get everyone more united against a lynch today. But I see we're just as scatter brained and stubborn as we were Day 1. So I'm not going to make the Greygnarl mistake again. I'd rather replace out that call you all fucktards and morons for not jumping on my wagon of choice. I was wrong after all. But I don't see anyone else putting any effort into bringing us all together.

You got a better idea? Now would be a great time to actually do or say something of relevance.

the first post there Smash says we need to work together to find a wagon and get a lynch and that the problem is people picking one person and saying they're 100% scum and not voting for anyone else.

Then in the second post Smash says that he's considering replacing out because you don't get on his wagon he thinks you're a fucktard but doesn't want to start calling everyone that.


these two were made 6 posts apart on the same page.

So which is it Smash? are we going to work together and stop focusing on our "100% scum" targets or are you going to take your toys and stomp home to avoid calling us "fucktards" when we don't agree with you?

Oh, but wait, what's this? 2 posts (and 5 minutes later),

Unvote. Vote: Mr. Zepher

I'm done with this day phase. I'll come back once every 3 days until deadline just to prod dodge and affirm that my vote is on Mr. Zepher. It seems to be what all the cool kids are doing anyway. Hell, Jacobs got a town read from everyone but Zepher for being so utterly useless. Sounds like a sweet deal to me. Do nothing and be called town for it, I love it.

my what a series of (pouty) swings.

[ZONEACE]

So OS, I'm suspicious because I'm snarky? Almost every point you raise against me is in response to a post where I was being a sarcastic bitch.

I hate to break it to you Hun but that's just my personality, so at best it's a null tell.


Re: the "role fishing"

No. I was information fishing. NS drops this multi-ball suggestion with absolutely nothing to back it up. I was trying to get him to provide a context for his hunch. It was pretty clearly protown behavior.


Also any attempt to read me and make a case based on current site meta is pointless. This is my first Large Normal in probably at least 5 years and my first non-marathon game (that I didn't flake on) in 3ish



Predit. Wind-up's response is fairly concise.

[ZONEACE]

Also, if you wanted to accuse me of role fishing you missed actual posts where I was fake claim fishing. On a couple of occasions I've gone after smash for his "breadcrumbing" in an attempt to force the fake claim he's setting up out into the open.

[ZONEACE]

NB: I don't think ZONEACE is necessarily town, though.

Fair enough. There are plenty of reasons why someone might scum read me this game (I've flown FIRMLY under the radar for a while, focused almost exclusively on a couple of players and had my share of non-participatory posts) just not the ones OS raises.

But, yeah. I'm town.

[ZONEACE]

that's not a comment and it's not insignificant you jackass i am interested in the answer to that question (also i don't feel like reading what oversoul posted)

Wonderful adhom and refusal to participate. Why are you in this game?

[ZONEACE]

VOTE: ZONEACE

You're awesome at mafia. Your presence in this game is greatly appreciated.

[ZONEACE]

I was pointing out that you both ad hom'd and refused to participate. At least my fight with smash was game related. You simply called wind up a jackass and then stated you refused to read OS's post.

You are essentially worthless at this point. You're not contributing anything but nastiness


Refusing to read and only making belligerent, angry posts is ABSOLUTELY 100% anti-town behavior.

You should just replace out. The town would much better off without you.

[ZONEACE]

also you never actually answered me as to what interactions between smash and bacde you find scummy

And I'm not goin to any time soon. I'm currently out and posting from my phone so your not gonna get any major posts or Nalysis involving multi quotes


You could also just ISO the two of them and look. There's sheeping, buddying and following ( which I stated last GD)

[ZONEACE]

VC REQUEST MOD

[ZONEACE]

You no what. You've established you're not going to fully participate and you're being extremely nasty and clearly have no intention of replacing out. So

UNVOTE:

VOTE: peta

It's in the best interest of the town that you be gone

You almost constant ad hom/aggressively rude style plus your refusal to read fully are nothing but a detriment to the town

You got to go. Regardless of alignment.

[ZONEACE]

mod. Your instruction a few pages clearly means shit to these people

[ZONEACE]

SERIOUSLY IF SMASH'S BREADCRUMBING IS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS WHY DOESN'T HE JUST CLAIM? If I'm so stupid that I must be the only one who doesn't see it, then what is the fucking point of him not just telling us? It's utter bullshit.

You people aren't using any fucking thought, just jumping from wagon to wagon in the hopes of getting a lynch to end the day.

that's not how you're supposed to play this game (unless you're scum and the target of the lynch doesn't matter as long as it's not a scummate)

[ZONEACE]

unvote;
Vote: ZONEACE

I'm not sure where this puts him at.

I mean, seriously, HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO SAY THEY AREN'T WILLING TO READ OR PAY ATTENTION TO THIS GAME?


What kind of town player votes for someone without any idea of what the numbers are on a wagon?

Could we all stop being so shitty at this and actually do what we're supposed to be doing?

[ZONEACE]

OMG I'M GOING TO SCREAM TOO!!

Seriously, I didn't feel like going back to find the last vote count, but knew that my vote doesn't put you -anywhere- near being lynched. The fact that you attack that is just ridiculous. I would think that a Town ZONEACE would be more concerned with my actual read on him, but alas. Get lynched.

What read?

there isn't one.

Your only explanation is that I think smash is scum.

that's a fairly shit read.

Way to shoot your own vote in the foot.

[ZONEACE]

RANDOM FACT: Aaron Tveit is hot

#thingsthataretrue

[ZONEACE]

I was in the middle of constructing a post when the thread got locked, and now I've been prodded...

Anyway, I don't agree with Oversoul's case against ZONEACE. If I'm reading it correctly, the main point is that ZONEACE has been attempting to make the game more about personality clashes than about logic. I'm not going to deny that may have been an effect that his posts had, but the game was heading in that direction without the extra help he gave it. If he was scum and that was his strategy, he would have just left everyone else to implode by themselves. I'm starting to think that that might just be part of his personality. I can see what Oversoul is trying to say though, so he is coming across as more town because of it.

That doesn't mean I don't have a scumread on ZONEACE. The main reason I say this is his determination to get Smashbard to claim. All Smashbard has said is that he's breadcrumbed something, so if he is telling the truth, it will be provable upon request of the majority. That is all that town needs to know. The only people that need to know more are the scum, since they need to know exactly how much of a threat this is. What ZONEACE has done has by far crossed over into rolefishing.

UNVOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: ZONEACE

Seriously, this is so lazy.

According to smash himself his breadcrumbing code is "very simple." If it's so simple then what's the point of even even crumbing (especially if you're going to announce that you're crumbing). Also

I have posted a code throughout my first 11-12 posts that reveal very important game related information that in case I should die, would help confirm a townie.

I am not mentioning who or how. You'll just have to figure it out. If you can't discern how this information makes it absolutely impossible that I am scum, then you are well and truly hopeless. And I can continue the rest of this game willfully ignoring you for your tunneling idiocy.

I have read his first 11-12 posts multiple times and I don't see shit. But I'm just supposed to take his word that BEFORE THE GAME STARTED he had information that could confirm a townie?

Yes I'm rolefishing on smash, because I don't believe him. So trying to use it against as if I'm trying to subvert in an attempt to reveal his role is silly. He tried on day one to make it seem like he knew something and I'm not going to just taking his fucking word for it. I'm sorry that I refuse to just follow him around like some of you. but I want to fucking know what he wants us to think he knows.


also, back up to my initial response to AD's lazy vote.

You admit that OS's case is bullshit, but his bullshit case makes him town and me scum? just what the actual fuck is going on here? It's god damn bizarro world in here.

People are town when they make bullshit cases,

People who claim to have information confirming townies are trusted 100% at face value in spite of sketchy behavior and refusal to provide said information.

people who are openly hostile is basically every post and have stated their refusal to read all the posts in the game (specifically ones making a case for a vote) are allowed to get away with such crap.

I just don't even understand how this has happened.

The only case that has been made against me is that I'm scummy because of my snarky, sarcastic bitch personality (null-tells are terrible things to build a case on) and that I've tunneled on Bacde and Smash (who have been top two on my scum list since VERY EARLY in the game).

There is no reasonable case against me but the writing appears to be on the wall, so if there are any halfway decent and critical thinking townies left in this damn game, when I flip green remember how this started, who pushed for it and who helped it snowball in spite the complete absence of a viable case ever having been presented.


also

V/LA TIL MARCH 5TH

I'm visiting family this weekend and there's no guarantee I'll have access to reliable wi-fi which I can use with my notebook. I'll still have my phone and can check that, but I won't be making any posts of this size and scope until at least tuesday.

[ZONEACE]

2. Being emotionally wacked out (sorry zone <3) isn't really a scumtell <_<

Eh, it's not completely inaccurate.

[ZONEACE]

I tried to be patient at the start of the day even going so far as to say that Zoneace is CONFIRMED TOWN due to Greygnarls flip. And he's turned around and spat in my face my town read on him, refusing to consider anything I have to say because I'm just sooo scummy for being friendly with Bacde.

Seriously, you saying that I'm confirmed town because of GG's flip is not somehow confirmation that your town and not reason for me to just trust you implicitly. That has to be the worst logic ever.

Also if GG's flip makes me confirmed town why are you pushing my lynch so hard? The only reason would be you're scum and/or you just don't like my playstyle.


If in your eyes I'm confirmed town there is NO EXCUSE for trying to lynch me.

And before you try and claim that me wanting to PETA for his hyper aggressive/antagonistic style is hypocritical it's not because I have no confirmation of his alignment one way or the other. If her were "confirmed town" in my eyes my vote would not be on him.

[ZONEACE]

I don't normally pay attention to deadlines.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zoneace

Since I know that a zephyr lynch ends with a town flip this seems like the better choice...

You explained your positions, they were terrible.

Please lynch Zone.

I will try to be back before deadline to explain my positions and everything but real life has caught up with me and I am designing a game right now.

See, I wasn't in favor of lynching you, but now, in an effort of self defense I have to.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Zepher

[ZONEACE]

MrZepher - 6 [L-2] JacobSavage, Human Destroyer, Bacde, roflcoper, Nobody Special, ZONEACE
ZONEACE- 5 [L-3] Oversoul, petapan, Konowa, Kingdom Aces, Zepher
Nobody Special - 1 [L-7] ActionDan
Dramonic - 1 [L-7] PeregrineV
Oversoul- 1 [L-7] wind-up

There's the current VC

[ZONEACE]

49 hours ago, Matt said 1 day, 13 hours. So it seems like it's passed.

[ZONEACE]

49 hours ago, Matt said 1 day, 13 hours. So it seems like it's passed.

oh, no, that's a countdown (this site can do countdowns in posts now???)

So its 37 hours till the deadline.

[ZONEACE]

That's ok, once I'm dead then you guys can lynch Zoneace as my dying wish.

man are you really gonna feel dumb when that happens.

[ZONEACE]

Zone is scum I can almost guarantee it.
Zone is less likely to be scum.

?????

what?

[ZONEACE]

Fucking Zs. Zepher is less likely and if he is I can help determine

It's a little hard to be less likely to be scum than someone who isn't scum.

[ZONEACE]

The line to say your apologies starts to the left.

[ZONEACE]

*pops champagne*

...now to pretend like I'm town for another day

VOTE: bacde

JK I'm over you.
UNVOTE:


VOTE: Peta


Repeated refusals to fully participate are not okay.

[ZONEACE]

don't mind dram.

As evidenced by Gay mafia II, he may be clueless that you've been crumbing either mason or neighbor.

I'm more than aware he's been crumbing mason.
Hey, I could crumb mason to and get confirmed, sounds like a genius plan!

Which is precisely the reason I still don't trust Smash. Just because you tell me you're breadcrumbing something doesn't mean that what you're breadcrumbing is true.

[ZONEACE]

I trust Smash for now TBH

to properly demonstrate my feelings on Smash; I trust you more than I trust Smash.

[ZONEACE]

So, here's an idea, how bout we get some increased participation from people because someone you have postcounts in this game that are, frankly, unacceptable. Half of the remaining players in this game (who have aren't replacements) have fewer than 50 posts and we're on page 43.

(and that doesn't mean make a bunch of fake participation posts)

[ZONEACE]

So, here's an idea, how bout we get some increased participation from people because some

one

of

you have postcounts in this game that are, frankly, unacceptable. Half of the remaining players in this game (who

have

aren't replacements) have fewer than 50 posts and we're on page 43.

(and that doesn't mean make a bunch of fake participation posts)

[ZONEACE]

I'll be perfectly straight, I haven't done shit for rereading over the weekend. It's like, I want to. I have a list of at least three suspects I want to look into. But I just can't seem to find the energy to try and find something from the threads past that is somehow going to be new and riveting information.

So let's try something different here.

These two questions are to everyone. Depending on your position.


1) If you believe that scum targeted me and Konowa just happened to be protecting me, do you think there are any specific people you can think of who would want me dead? And not just in a way that is like, "Duh you were breadcrumbing a role and anyone scum would want you dead". I mean, could there be any other motivations for a particular player to want me dead?

or 2) If you believe Konowa was just targeted directly, which specific people do you feel would be most likely wanting Konowa dead? Think of it this way, if Mr. Zepher killed TheTrollie because Trollie had a scumread on Zepher and nothing else, is there similar evidence to support that the scum team are just doing equally obvious moves and killed Konowa for the same reasons as Trollie?

re 1: You mean aside from me? No one jumps out at me.

[ZONEACE]

It's looking like today is going to be between Action Dan & Nobody Special. I'm leaning towards Nobody Special in that regard. That whole multi ball thing just reeks to me of scum knowledge.

Well, if we lynch NS then we learn pretty decisively one way or the other, so If it's between the two of them it should be NS.

so. UNVOTE:

VOTE: NS

[ZONEACE]

Leader-esque?

[ZONEACE]

I dont think I sheeped when I called smash town

or when i called greygnarl town

or when i retracted that townread and voted for greygnarl

or when i called zepher scum

and when I pointed out zepher's emotional slip when he said "sorry for seeming condescending"

what specifically are you talking about with me sheeping?

Dude, stop making me regret my decision to move on from you. Also stop saying bullshit. You've sheeped so much. Just admit it and move on to doing something more proactive.

[ZONEACE]

bacde is not posting good

has he yet to in this game?

[ZONEACE]

Why does this always happen to me...

What's the case on NS just generally lurking?

It's an AD/NS 1v1

Plus, Lynching NS establishes whether his idle speculation about multiball was in fact idle speculation, or a slip from someone who knew it was multiball.

[ZONEACE]

Townies as a last resort do offer to hammer themselves, NS will hammer anyone but himself. He is trying to push the spotlight away from himself.[/quote]


No intention of defending NS (as I think he should be the lynch) but that's stupid. I did the same thing yesterday.

It was between me and Zeph, and when Zeph voted me, I took my vote off my intended target and moved it to him to prevent my own lynch.

Townies will save themselves.

[ZONEACE]

Is it Day Three?

Jesus, I fail at this game so hard. I didn't do anything Night Two, either. I just checked.

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the actual fuck?

[ZONEACE]

Listen, I can understand missing night 1, it was pretty short. But night 2 was like 4 days long. There's no excuse.

[ZONEACE]

That's a pretty big error <_<

Yeah. Real big.

[ZONEACE]

Nobody Special was shot Night 3. He was a Town Jailkeeper.

It is now Day Four. With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in 2 weeks from now, at 10PM EST on April 9th

Can I have flavor please?

[ZONEACE]

The Producer comes onto stage

"Hey everyone, sorry that I've been very drunk and like never here recently, I just lost all of my money by investing in Matilda and now I'm an alcoholic"

"What's can be worse than this shit show?" ZONEACE demanded



"No, I'm trying to say, what's worse than, like, I dunno, uhm just like a drunk moderator and uhm people dying



and uhm, WHAT?? No stop it! I'm trying to



make a point, I just, shut up shut up! Meryl Streep is a goddess!"

Now Presenting Mamma Mia

I guess I deserve that. But fuck you.


loljk. Don't mod kill me.

[ZONEACE]

KingdomAces is also a good bet.

not really

[ZONEACE]

vote: zoneace

the remaining scum are zone and actiondan. we're lynching zone today because i have more faith that this town will be able to pull of an actiondan lynch without me around to drive it after my inevitable death.

nope.

[ZONEACE]

I could see Zone being scum, am not 300% sure though

Please stop being terrible at this.

While I will concede that the style of my play this game has seemed scummy, the content of my play, which is decidedly more important, has been pretty solidly town.

[ZONEACE]

hey I'm 2 for 3 I'm not too bad at this

just don't pay attention how my last vote was at the last second

One of those two you were the Hammer before an approaching deadline. You're hardly a paragon of mafia hunters.

[ZONEACE]

no you know what lets just lynch actiondan

unvote, vote: actiondan

Another solid post. you just gonna jump your vote from one person to another without so much as a reference to anything?

[ZONEACE]

Peregrine you are forgetting that I switched my vote over onto the scum wagon at the last second--making me not a good lynch for today

You aren't looking for towncred for hammering scum, are you?

Cause Zephyr hammered himself, and Human Destroyer was number 7 on his wagon.

Clearly bacde hammering doesn't make him town, neither does most of his play. But I'd actually be pretty shocked if he wasn't actually town.

[ZONEACE]

How is that is a Normal game role?

[ZONEACE]

Nah, I'd rather save the bullet for someone less likely to be lynched. Like Oversoul/Go or KingdomAces.

the latter is a poor choice

[ZONEACE]

dan's partner is probably lurking hoping this will blow over. i still think it's zone, but if not it's peregrine.

You're still wrong.

[ZONEACE]

you're still not doing anything except magically appearing when you get called out, how very town of you [/sarcasm]

I currently have nothing to add. So I'm not going to spam the thread just to please you. But I will point out how horribly wrong you are about your read on me.

[ZONEACE]

Because I have no fucking clue who is scum. I've got an idea on 4 town but that's it.

[ZONEACE]

Sorry, 5. I forgot our dayvig in that count.

[ZONEACE]

Well that was an unexpected turn of events. Really didn't see the AD scum coming.

[ZONEACE]

still say its zone, and if not zone peregrine

And you're still wrong.

[ZONEACE]

Let's lynch Zoneace tomorrow. I would enjoy that.

You can try, but you'll fail.

[ZONEACE]

VOTE: petapan

I think we can break this game today.

[ZONEACE]

also actiondan go to fucking hell if you're reading this, don't ever join a game with me again you piece of shit

Classy


It's mass claim time folks. I'm not kidding about us breaking the game.


My only request is that we allow me to claim after peta

[ZONEACE]

Peta is scum 100%

Bacde, Smash & KA are town 100%

[ZONEACE]

KingdomAces -

Day Mason

Smashbard -

Day Mason

JacobSavage -
roflcopter -
petapan -
Oversoul -
ZONEACE -
PeregrineV -
Bacde -

What does everyone think of this order for claimage?

My only concern is going after Peta, so I'm okay.

[ZONEACE]

Although you might be in luck, I might just lynch Zoneace today just because I want him dead. His blatant pandering to Bacde, Aces and Myself as 100% town is definitely posturing for town support. lol.

If you do that you're an idiot. Just putting that out there. We're too far into the game to be lynching for personal reasons.

If there are 2 scum left in the game as we seem to be assuming (which I agree with) that means we have 7 townies. Lynch me that's 6 townies left, then 5 when we wake up tomorrow. And we've gone from a decent numbers advantage to a dangerously small advantage. A mislynch tomorrow and the game is all but lost.

Whereas, if you decide not to be a bullheaded, spiteful, git we can lynch scum today and still have a good numbers advantage over the scum and a better idea of who the last one is.

[ZONEACE]

Your ad hom bullshit defense is only going to make me want to lynch you more.

You seem to be a little bit confused here. No matter how much you stamped your feet and was otherwise utterly useless last day phase insisting again and again "I'm town I'm town", you haven't proven a thing.

I have.

I'd much rather lynch Roflcopter or PetaPan today. But Rofls point of him bussing HD & Mr. Zepher makes for a helluva lot stronger case to keep him alive today than your "If you lynch me you're an idiot" argument.

So if you and Roflcopter are just going to go back and forth insulting me seeing which of your ad hom strategies works out the best to convince me to lynch someone? You're gonna be the one hanging, Zoneace. Straighten up.

Calling you a stubborn oaf is not an ad hom bullshit defense, it's a statement of the obvious. You're refusing you look past your dislike of me. And if you were maybe a little fucking patient I would prove what I'm saying. But I'm not saying anything useful until we get to me on this massclaim okay. If you can't deal with that, then I guess you need to lynch me and go ahead and probably lose the game.

So that's your choice, be patient, get through this massclaim, allow me to prove that Peta is the lynch today, or continue to allow your emotions dictate your play in this crucial, late stage of the game and cost the town what should be an easy win.

[ZONEACE]

*sigh* You just, can never cooperate with people in a respectful, logical manner can you? Must be why you play Mafia, am I right?

Saying that I'm an idiot or that I'm being a stubborn bullheaded oaf is not a statement of the obvious. It is your opinion of my actions. If you can't even understand a basic difference between facts and opinions than God help you.

You already look bad enough saying that you want to claim AFTER the suspected Mafia targets. Which is always a scum move motivated by wanting to make sure your pre-determined roleclaim goes through safely without risk of a counter claim from those who are you trying to lynch.

So hell, JacobSavage looks more town than you right now because he jumped right in on wanting to be the FIRST to claim. Because he knew a Vanilla Claim was harmless.

But obviously you are posturing as if you have some sort of power role, otherwise you wouldn't have a specific request to claim after any particular player.

If it's an investigative role with a guilty result on Peta, then there's no need for Peta to claim before you. You know he's scum and he should be today's lynch and if you're wrong than we lynch you tomorrow for setting up a desperation mislynch.

If it's anything else, then you're just looking really scummy for not claiming before your stated suspects.

Hence why I am getting more and more inclined to lynch you.

So I'm going to say it again, straighten up.

I can't wait for you see how wrong you are. It's gonna be great.

[ZONEACE]

Oh so now I'm wrong in thinking that Rofl and Peta are scum? Great. Let's lynch you then. Since you absolutely refuse to be helpful.

Vote: Zoneace

Seriously, you're that in capable of waiting?
You want to put me at L-2 that quickly?

Okay, well, that's it, you've made you're decision.

I won't be posting again (except to avoid a prod) until peta claims. So, you all have a wonderful time today.

[ZONEACE]

I'm the Gunsmith

Night 1 - failed to submit a target in time (I was a couple hours late)
Night 2 - Bacde - No Gun
Night 3 - KA - No Gun
Night 4 - Peta -

GUN

Thus, Peta is scum.

Bacde, KA and Smash (and me) are Town.

[ZONEACE]

Before we quick lynch Peta can we discuss how we're going to move forward. There's still some work for the town to do.

We still have to rout out 1 scum.

After peta is dead we'll be at 7-1, with 4 of those 7 confirmed town.

We're looking at Pere, Rofl, OS and Jacob as our pool containing the last scum.

[ZONEACE]

from there you lynch rofl then make a sad face when he flips town after being right about everything you were wrong about all game, then the next day you lynxh peregrine and win (or jacob the day after that if necessary)

You were right about me?

[ZONEACE]

It's an admirable try Peta.

[ZONEACE]

It's a win-win situation for me.

If Peta flips scum, the last scum will kill Zoneace tonight.

If Peta flips town, we lynch Zoneace tomorrow.

Either way Zoneace dies before end game so I'm happy.

yes, because the loss of a useful power role is AWESOME.


you're really a dick.