Space Monkey Mafia: GAME OVER!

[Save The Dragons]

Did you guys wagon MBL to gain information or to kill him?

[Glork]

I've already explained my stance... a little bit of both.


Good question, though. I'd also like to know why other people wagoned MBL.

[Fritzler]

kill

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

bird1111: 6 (Twito, STD, Sarcastro, CES, Fritzler, Nightson)
MrBuddyLee: 2 (klebian, inHimshallibe)
Phoebus: 2 (Bogre, )
Sarcastro: 1 (Phoebus)
Glork: 1 (ibeasha)
inHimshallibe: 1 (MBL)
ibaesha: 1 (Glork)
Pooky: 1 (dahen)

It will take 9 of you to throw someone out of the airlock.

Now that everyone has checked in, I am setting a deadline:

Monday 27th November at 9am GMT

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[MrBuddyLee]

I've already explained my stance... a little bit of both.

Good question, though. I'd also like to know why other people wagoned MBL.

Yeah, you posted:

HAMMAH HAMMAH!!!

after all I'd posted was:

Hi.

It's easy to explain away as just joking around and having fun, but it was also significantly likely that I'd be hammered there and town would be -1. Far be it for me to rain on the fun parade though--I think we should run Glork up for kicks, but this wagon will have an actual reason behind it.

unvote, vote: Glork

[Glork]

Significantly likely?

The only person I could have *really* actually imagined hammering you before somebody unvoted would have been Fritzler. But Fritz was already on your wagon, so that wasn't going to happen. Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks -- were all on the wagon at that point. There was little chance that you were *actually* going to die. Although I would have been quite amused had it happened.

[MrBuddyLee]

Yeah, you even said yourself there's a "cool factor" involved and it'd be a point of pride to someday hammer someone before page 3. Significantly likely, but thanks to a few timely unvotes temptation was removed and it didn't happen.

[Glork]

Uh... your point? I didn't say that I plan on doing it someday until well after the fact. You've not shown that anything is "significantly likely." All you've shown is that I would have hammered you dead... which I already stated explicitly.

[Glork]

Actually, now that I look back at things, there's a serious misrepresentation that I can't let go unnoted.

Let's go back and look at what I said:

Make no mistake about it, though. Had you been at Lynch -1 without me on the wagon, I would have hammered. I've never done something *that* ridiculous before. I think it'd be kinda fun to do it to someone. I think it'd be absolutely f***ing hilarious. And I will do it before I retire from Mafia games altogether.

What does this post say?
I (Glork) would have hammered you.
I (Glork) think that it would be fun/hilarious.


What did you say?

Yeah, you even said yourself there's a "cool factor" involved and it'd be a point of pride to someday hammer someone before page 3. Significantly likely, but thanks to a few timely unvotes temptation was removed and it didn't happen.

You take my opinion (I would hammer, think it's cool, blahblah) and try to present it as the standard or normal opinion/attitude. Because *I*, someone

already on your wagon

said I would have hammered, you say that it is "significantly likely" that

somebody else

would have hammered.

As I've said before: The people I consider most likely to hammer were all already on your wagon. If you can make a case that somebody

not already on your wagon

would have hammered you, then you can say it was "significantly likely" that you would have been hammered.
"Glork would hammer, since he thinks it's cool" does not mean "Somebody else would have hammered because they thought it was cool."

Strong FoS: MBL

Do you have a real reson for voting me? Or do you just plan on misrepresenting me and making up reasons to "suspect" me, hoping it'll stick somehow?

[MrBuddyLee]

So you figured you'd gain enough information via the comedy quicklynch to make up for the numerical disadvantage? Sounds like a recipe for a quick loss to me, because idiot town's probably more likely to hammer in that situation than scum. Kill the hammerer tomorrow, BAM, down 4-5 town start of D3.

[Glork]

No, I don't think I'd gain a hell of a lot of info from the quicklynch (unless you turned out scum, I think).

But I think we'd find a ton of damned good information in the aftermath. If I don't get vigged or nightkilled that night, the D2 discussion would be... quite interesting. I know full well that if I really do something absurd, I'll have to defend and explain myself. I'm not stupid or naive, MBL, despite what you seem to think. I may be bold, irrational, even reckless at times.... but I am not a complete ignoramus. I realize that my actions have consequences, and I understand that there would be substantial pressure on me.

Lynching a townie D1 is obivously not going to ruin a game. Lynching D1 and getting little info puts us at a significant disadvantage, but I do think that the information gained from D2's discussion would be pretty immense and extremely heplful (not to mention the fact that the wagon itself on D1 likely *does* provide us with some clues/info down the road).

[inHimshallibe]

Did you guys wagon MBL to gain information or to kill him?

I wanted to see the lynch to completion. Information would be, and already has been for that matter, gained as a very nice side effect.

Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks

This hurts.

[Glork]

inHim... you're bold, but you're not completely irrational. (Consider that a compliment. ) I wouldn't have expected to see you hammer, but apparently feel the same way as me.

[Twito]

Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks

I would do it no matter whether I'm scum or town. It's just hilarious.

[Save The Dragons]

Hey. Bird's not dying. What gives?

Vote: Bird

again.

[MrBuddyLee]

OK, so the point is confirmed. Several of you enthusiastically and realistically risked putting town down one player for kicks. It's not the world's greatest scumtell, but it's significant.

InHim, why aren't you pushing the birdwagon to completion? For the sake of information.

[Nightson]

I don't think I could just hammer like that. Someday though, someday....

[Twito]

Well I've never done it even when I've had a change.. but nowadays with the behavior I get from ppl.. why the hell not?

[inHimshallibe]

InHim, why aren't you pushing the birdwagon to completion? For the sake of information.

I say there's a difference in the very first big bandwagon of Day 1 and subsequent wagons. If I could have my Druthers, I'd rather you die than anyone else Today. Although, I'm pretty certain bird will be lynched if he gets within hammering range and I notice.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm glad i'm first on Glork's list.

[Fritzler]

i'm glad i'm first on Glork's list.

im not first on any lists

except most awesomenessest

[Glork]

i'm glad i'm first on Glork's list.

i'm glad i'm first on Glork's list.

im not first on any lists

except most awesomenessest

I've long been told that you should lead with strength and end on a strong note. You two are crazy, crazy mofos.




I wanna be just like you guys when I grow up ^_^

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I could only randomly hammah someone if I were scum. Honest.

[dahen]

Ok, I failed to change the subject with my vote, so

unvote

. I think we've gotten the information a lynch of MBL would give us (apart from his actual alignment and what follows). If we feel his alignment is a key, then we should lynch him. Otherwise, it's time looking somewhere else. I suggest the latter.

[Glork]

Ok, I failed to change the subject with my vote, so

unvote

. I think we've gotten the information a lynch of MBL would give us (apart from his actual alignment and what follows). If we feel his alignment is a key, then we should lynch him. Otherwise, it's time looking somewhere else. I suggest the latter.

Hi, why are you protecting your scumbuddy MBL?