Scum can't leave Iecerint alive if he's not scum so the correct play is for
both scums
to shoot Iecerint down. No-lynching today would pretty much mean that we'd be {two townies, two scums} tomorrow, without Iecerint (assuming Iecerint-town). If zoraster isn't lying about Hated status, town loses regardless of zoraster's alignment.
I think the correct play here is to lynch zoraster.
Chances are 100% that he's lying, 95% that he's scum, and in the off-chance that he's not scum, we still need to lynch him.
With this play, best case scenario, we should have a 3-player end game with one scum, or 4-player end game with one scum if Iecerint jailkeeps properly (in which case the town wins). Worst case scenario, we have a 3-player end game with two scums, or a 4-player end game with two scums but AT LEAST we're not end gaming with a HATED player. This last situation is inevitable if we no-lynch. Lynching zoraster considerably brightens our prospects.
Zoraster-town ought to agree with that, but he won't because he's scum.
@ dramonic - can you check my calculations for accuracy?
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The issue I have with that plan DGB is that it leaves a larger pool of suspect for the OTHER scum. I agree Zor is probably scum and I'm rather tired of his BS stalling tactics as much as you are, but I dunno if Iece will succeed comes the night.
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In post 3926, dramonic wrote:The issue I have with that plan DGB is that it leaves a larger pool of suspect for the OTHER scum.
Explain?
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Also, are there any compelling reasons NOT to lynch zoraster?
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Iece/Zoid aren't so hot about it.
And from Iece's perspective, any of us could be the other scum (I think?)
If Zor flips SK, it's you (or me), if he flips mafia, it could be you or Zoid (or me)
But hey, if you want to vote zor, I'll happily hammer him so we can stop doing nothing at all in this game.
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Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
We'll at least know if he's telling the truth about the "Hated" part.
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
In post 3925, DrippingGoofball wrote:Scum can't leave Iecerint alive if he's not scum so the correct play is for
both scums
to shoot Iecerint down. No-lynching today would pretty much mean that we'd be {two townies, two scums} tomorrow, without Iecerint (assuming Iecerint-town). If zoraster isn't lying about Hated status, town loses regardless of zoraster's alignment.
I think the correct play here is to lynch zoraster.
Chances are 100% that he's lying, 95% that he's scum, and in the off-chance that he's not scum, we still need to lynch him.
With this play, best case scenario, we should have a 3-player end game with one scum, or 4-player end game with one scum if Iecerint jailkeeps properly (in which case the town wins). Worst case scenario, we have a 3-player end game with two scums, or a 4-player end game with two scums but AT LEAST we're not end gaming with a HATED player. This last situation is inevitable if we no-lynch. Lynching zoraster considerably brightens our prospects.
Zoraster-town ought to agree with that, but he won't because he's scum.
@ dramonic - can you check my calculations for accuracy?
you are out of your fucking mind, and you cannot possibly believe the things you are saying. If you want someone who is showing clear desperation, then boom. this is it.
Scum can 100% leave iec alive because they HAVE TO. Unless you believe that we have two mafia left (this after all your screaming that the scum is too overpowered without a hated mafioso), they have to shoot for each other, hoping the other doesn't shoot for them. Shooting the JK
does nothing for them
. Walk out the possibilities: either the JK blocks them OR he doesn't. In the first case, the shot won't go through ANYWAY, whether they shoot for the JK or not. In the second case, it does no good to shoot the JK because he's NOT BLOCKING THEM. This should be simple.
Lynching me does no good because all it does it widen the possibilities of no cross kills (since scum have 2 possibilities to shoot now instead of just one) and it DOESN'T give us an opportunity to use the JK power in a winning situation.
I don't really know what DGB's game is here. It's possible she's just stupid. But it's also possible she doesn't believe a word she's saying, but she's hoping to convince the other scum to shoot me instead of her. She cannot possibly believe that, hated townie or not, people are going to lynch me.
The problem for her is that she needs one more person to lynch me. By voting me, they basically claim also-scum (since town's best bet for winning is lynching scum today, JK tonight). Which should basically assure that DGB and whoever votes me cross kill.
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DGB (or, hell, even on the off chance, dram), if you are actually town, i don't know what to say to you.
By the way, if for some reason there are two mafia members left rather than SK and Mafia, I think I won't be lynched. I got a PM a couple of days ago saying that because they didn't anticipate the hated townie being alive at lylo, they didn't mention it, but I won't be lynched in that case. presumably 3v2 is lylo.
My private question was what scenarios equal lylo, particularly 1v1v1 and 2v1v1. UT said 1v1v1 is lylo, 2v1v1 is not.
My public question was important because in 1v1v1, if both lose in that case, then town has a shot of winning. Given the particulars, if I knew that for a fact, I would claim the new information because no lynching made the most sense in that case (since the options for a no lynch were to end up either in 2v1 or 1v1v1 or in an unlikely circumstance 2v1v1 [where both scum shoot the same person] OR we'd win outright). So 1v1v1 leading to a possible town win makes that an okay thing to do. Otherwise, the initial plan was a better option. Given that the mods wouldn't answer straight, I decided to hold the cards to my chest.
by the way, iec. Your dithering is partially at fault here too. The danger of the two scum getting together to lynch me was always a real possibility, but one I didn't bring up because I didn't want to put the idea in their head. Instead for some reason you held off in your position.
Iec, I think you're best served by watching or double actioning someone (perhaps give two bullets to DGB that she can use both on dram, who may be BP scum but only blocks the first bullet? I dunno).
In post 3935, zoraster wrote:DGB (or, hell, even on the off chance, dram), if you are actually town, i don't know what to say to you.
By the way, if for some reason there are two mafia members left rather than SK and Mafia, I think I won't be lynched. I got a PM a couple of days ago saying that because they didn't anticipate the hated townie being alive at lylo, they didn't mention it, but I won't be lynched in that case. presumably 3v2 is lylo.
Bull
Shit
Can you just stop faking please?
It was already tedious enough in game, if you want to "unclaim" hated, just do it instead of stalling some more.
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