Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[Allyra]

If Wind-up is scum, the most probable partner I can see is Jeck slot.

I preliminarily agree with this based on a couple things thez said, who did seem to be actually hunting red scum.

[Slandaar]

I am going to tell you all a secret

Wind has triggered a scumtell I have which has been 100% accurate. over 5 or so times I have seen it.

[ArcAngel9]

I am not going to believe a word from Slandaar

[Jal]

Slaandy, spit it out.

[PeregrineV]

I just realized that lynching red scum guarantees a town loss if they don't cross kill. I think that's right. 7 today, we lynch red, go to six, no cross kill, we're at 4, lynch one and lose to the other team. Yeah I'm dumb, we need to lynch blue today.

Pere - why would tml hammer his buddy and why does him not hammering jal make her town?

Guessing you are referring to this:

VOTE COUNT
ArcAngel9 (1): penguin_alien
Boniface (1): ArcAngel9

DeasVail

(1): PeregrineV
Jal (6): Slandaar,

Albus Dumbledore

, Allyra,

Darthe, Lurker,

DeasVail

PeregrineV (1): Jal
Not voting (3):

Boniface

, wind-up,

The Mini-Librarian

Looking back over, if TML knew his wagon would build up as fast as it did 2833-2834-2847<--another reason Jal prob not-bluescum-2863-2866, he probably would have hammered Jal no matter what.
But, by the time TML was building, Lurker and Dumbledore had already unvoted Jal.
Also don't see DV bussing redscum-Jal when he could have joined any of the other 1-votes to try to create a counterwagon.

[PeregrineV]

I still think wind-up could be red scum. I can't fathom why else mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1; presumably red thought they could get another target out there, and unfortunately for them it was another of their number.

PeregrineV, since I disagree that wind-up was definitely a counterwagon, I don't think your pointing out that I was on a wagon I still think was on scum with town and scum players really says all that much.

Then thoughts on this?

If wind-up was also redscum, he could have chose someone else to create a wagon on, since he just replaced in he could give a fresh perspective and maybe gotten it traction. So probably not redscum. Could be blue, but never hammered Jal the day before. If he's the final blue, he should have happily taken out town-Jal or red-scum Jal. So probably not scum at all.

Also, if you are claiming not to be scum, then where do you think scum are?

VOTE COUNT
DeasVail (6): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal, wind-up, Lurker, ArcAngel9
wind-up (4): Slandaar, penguin_alien, Darthe, DeasVail

[PeregrineV]

PV, what is your conclusion on who you think is scum?

Right now, based on everything recent, I have you as town and windup as town, both near to 75%.

(Also strong windup is town evidence from here:

Vote: Edosurist

Oh and guys. Edos is scum.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 0&sr=posts
VOTE: Edos
His jump off of the Dumbledore wagon was terrible also.

Both scumteams wanted windup gone)

From play, I think Allyra and Arc are both town, but I have to be wrong about one of them (or less likely, one of you 2).

Current choices for scum are slandaar and Penguin

[PeregrineV]

PV, the thing is I have seen you do this as scum before. You know you might die so you put up a bunch of stuff which concludes to nothingness.

Not really. What I did before was try to create WIFOM from one of Michel's posts so you would live longer, and when I died and flipped scum then everything would hopefully be more confusing than before.

I think my conclusions here are mostly sound. And if you disagree, then which conclusions do you find wrong and why?

[ArcAngel9]

I am telling you all we should go with Peng, she is the scum.
Its waste of time chasing blue scum becu it might cost a mislynch that we can't afford at all.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Penguin_alien

@Slandaar- Go ahead with your megatells, but they have to be
1. verifiable
2. reproducible
3. not done by town-aligned windup

[Allyra]

My current town list is Skyhook, TML, thez, BabySpice, Darthe, Jal, and Boniface, all for various reasons.

looking back at deasvail's voting of edosurist and it was when he didn't have any votes on him and wasn't in danger so don't know how much that proves.

but came across your list of reads that day. two of the three remaining blue members in your town list. hmmm...what was so town about them? thez protected sixx like hell, and tml was really scummy, and both of them made the way into your so town list?

[PeregrineV]

My current town list is Skyhook, TML, thez, BabySpice, Darthe, Jal, and Boniface, all for various reasons.

looking back at deasvail's voting of edosurist and it was when he didn't have any votes on him and wasn't in danger so don't know how much that proves.

but came across your list of reads that day. two of the three remaining blue members in your town list. hmmm...what was so town about them? thez protected sixx like hell, and tml was really scummy, and both of them made the way into your so town list?

Skyhook was slySly, who I feel was pretty directly responsible for the pressure on Sixx leading to the Sixx modkill.
TML claimed backup doc
thez play seemed town
Babyspice play seemed town
Darthe attack of Bumi-neighbor scum
Jal-play more reminiscent of town-Jal than scum-Jal
Boniface was PmMysterious, who was painfully obvtown VI.

[ArcAngel9]

btw Penguin is at L-1

[ArcAngel9]

Jal and Slandaar have the hammer vote.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

penguin_alien (3): ArcAngel9, wind-up, PeregrineV
Not voting (4): Allyra, Jal, penguin_alien, Slandaar

With

7

alive, it takes

4

players to lynch.

[penguin_alien]

Since I'd assume scum not on the wagon would hammer at this point, this actually makes me more confident in my scum reads on wind-up and ArcAngel9, and given discussion today I'm inclined to think PeregrineV is the third scum. Only question is whether ArvAngel9 or PeregrineV is the blue we need to lynch today to avoid the chance of a likely town loss on the morrow. I'm inclined to trust Slandaar on this, but I ask again: Slandaar, are you sure ArcAngel9 is more likely red scum for her interactions with Baby Spice?

wind-up, given the pressure on your slot I'm not surprised you went for the town credit in hopping on the DV wagon when you replaced in. One of you was going down, and your slot looked better pre-mcqueen self-destructing.

[Allyra]

I really doubt AA is blue scum based on the way thezmon interacted with her and continued voting her day one. Granted sixx was a pr but he protected him and didn't call tml scum either.

[Allyra]

Pere-I don't care about the other town reads, just the blue scum ones. Tml's claim was enough to overcome his scummy play, really? And you just took it on faith there was a roleblocker?

[wind-up]

wind-up, given the pressure on your slot I'm not surprised you went for the town credit in hopping on the DV wagon when you replaced in. One of you was going down, and your slot looked better pre-mcqueen self-destructing.

Your reasoning is circular. Apparently, I am scum because I am scum.

Moreover, it would be a pretty moronic idea to bus my bulletproof buddy approaching what looks like a multi-faction endgame. But of course you conveniently leave that out.

[wind-up]

That makes no sense;

Penguin isn't blue so what is your vote accomplishing other than helping scum?

I know we need to lynch blue today. But because I do not know who blue is, I will vote for scum in the meantime.

Question answered? Verdict: No.

why were no red scum voting you at L-1 wind?

I know we need to lynch blue today. But because I do not know who blue is, I will vote for scum in the meantime.

Question answered? Verdict: No.

Were you lying to me Wind?

I knew you'd have trouble with the comprehension part of 'reading and comprehension'. Try again, and don't omit the other question this time.

[wind-up]

Also it's laughable to suggest that my vote was 'helping scum' because it takes four players to lynch. Maybe a slip that you know I'm town??

[ArcAngel9]

Since I'd assume scum not on the wagon would hammer at this point, this actually makes me more confident in my scum reads on wind-up and ArcAngel9, and given discussion today I'm inclined to think PeregrineV is the third scum. Only question is whether ArvAngel9 or PeregrineV is the blue we need to lynch today to avoid the chance of a likely town loss on the morrow. I'm inclined to trust Slandaar on this, but I ask again: Slandaar, are you sure ArcAngel9 is more likely red scum for her interactions with Baby Spice?

wind-up, given the pressure on your slot I'm not surprised you went for the town credit in hopping on the DV wagon when you replaced in. One of you was going down, and your slot looked better pre-mcqueen self-destructing.

you're obviously trying to fake yourself so that you can save yourself. how ironic it is that you have finally come here with only agenda to get me lynched. Any scum in your place would exactly react in this way... "WAit, the people in this wagon are scums... vote them, lynch them..blah blah.. "

seriously, you think you can come and say things like these and people would believe it?


folks, i said this before i am telling you again. we don't know for a certain who is the blue scum and filtering blue scum out of 4 people is not worth of the risk. penguin is confirmed red scum, we lynch her today and keep our chance of winning.

And think about this, if penguin is really town, this is the kind of defense she would give? like seriously? after this far, she would just give up with no fight?

[wind-up]

I should note that at this stage, I think it's likely the red scum are 2 out of (Slandaar, penguin_alien, ArcAngel9) and the blue scum is one of (PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal).

[Slandaar]

So I had a theory; I realised that When TML claimed he was rbed Red would know he was lying and therefore knew he was scum so to find red scum we needed just to look at how people reacted to TML claim he was roleblocked;

I was roleblocked last night

Really the only explanation for B&B's death.

Not voting yet, cause I need to regroup. Gut says to vote Dumbledore.

If not Skyhook, I strongly think there is scum in Albus and Mini. does anyone agree on this?

So, that is strike one.

And then as soon as I make the case on TML and vote him explaining why hes scum;

i have been up to Mini wagon since B&B night kill.. He and I was bit confident that mini could be scum
Mini -Time to talk..

VOTE: The Mini Librarian

Literally she is admitting to being scum in this quote; redscum.

And it is really freaking obvious.

[ArcAngel9]

wind-up, i appreciate how you want to see things in one line. i agree with your blue scum list which includes you too (in my perspective)
The confirmed red scum is Penguin and Slandaar. but Slandaar has contributed so much its hard to see him that way and penguin has been awfully scummy over all which confirms her as the noted RED scum at this moment.