Space Monkey Mafia: GAME OVER!

[petroleumjelly]

Glork, I'm not going to read over all of Ibby's games to try to find a counter-example to your claimed "tell", seeing as I'm not Ibby and I don't pay attention to her gameplay in every game I've been with her or read with her in it. I

will

defend her actions, but will not try to respond to a "tell" I don't believe I have seen you try to use in any other game, and one of which I already

know

is incorrect, seeing as I'm not scum. Personally, I thought you were deserving of Ibby's posts on Day One - you looked scummy, and yet were not receiving votes.

So far as reading Ibby's posts in context, I think that only goes to show that she wasn't trying to use your so-called "tunnel vision" - you did

multiple

things I (and Ibby) found to be scummy and needed to be pointed out.

1.) You asked for a hammer on MBL on

page one

with absolutely no discussion on the table. Ibby hit on this.
2.) You claimed that people should be voting Nightson while

you

were voting for Bogre. This is highly unusual, seeing as townspeople

should

remember who they find scummy and who they are voting for. Ibby hit on this.
3.) You tried to shake Ibby off by claiming that you are often "off-the-wall" at the beginning of games. Ibby responded (and truthfully) that she was willing to overlook it

at first

, but that you pushed the limits of what slack she was willing to give.
4.) Your interactions with Nightson on Day One were

weird

. I thought the

exact

same thing when I saw it. I honestly haven't thought of a good reason for some of the exchanges you had with Nightson yesterday.

I don't think it's that she was "going out of her way to try to justify her vote on Glork": it was definitely more the fact that you kept doing things to

deserve

a vote. Seeing you try to construe her actions as being such is striking me as an attempt to downplay your actions, whether you are doing so consciously or not.

In fact (as you probably know), I have had multiple conversations with Ibby out of games. One topic we both were annoyed with was the fact that

both

of us (both in ScumChat and forum play) have a tendency to be suspicious of Glork

early

in games when he is scum, but then

get talked out of it later

. So far as I can tell, the fact that Ibby did not back off immediately seems to be the reason Glork is voting for me now. I haven't decided whether or not I think your vote on me is scummy or not, however. I still need to get to reading this game again.

[Glork]

3.) You tried to shake Ibby off by claiming that you are often "off-the-wall" at the beginning of games. Ibby responded (and truthfully) that she was willing to overlook it at first, but that you pushed the limits of what slack she was willing to give.

This is actually a bit of a misrepresentation, and something I probably should've mentioned in my last post. When I said that I am typically off-the-wall early in games, I was responding to StD. He stated that as his

reason

for voting for me. (He hadn't seen me play like that as town.) I made my response basically saying "That's not a valid meta because here, here, here, and here are games in which I've behaved in a completely ridiculous manner." Ibby turned that into an "I'm pro-town" statement, which I do believe I called her on.

Sure, it's possible that Ibby moved away from MBL out of genuine care and concern, settled on me for genuine reasons,

So far as I can tell, the fact that Ibby did not back off immediately seems to be the reason Glork is voting for me now.

My reasons are not "Ibby did not back off from me," contrary to what you seem to be stating. My reasons are meta/hunch towards Ibby based on the

manner

in which she went after (or more importantly, stayed on) me, the bit of interaction you had with MBL, and your behavior towards Bird.

[petroleumjelly]

My reasons are not "Ibby did not back off from me," contrary to what you seem to be stating.

Please explain this to me:

My reasons are meta/hunch towards Ibby based on the manner in which she went after

(or more importantly, stayed on) me

, the bit of interaction you had with MBL, and your behavior towards Bird.

"Ibby did not back off from Glork", so far as I'm concerned, is equivalent to "Ibby stayed on Glork". If you meant something else, you are being too vague for me, and you will have to go into more detail.

As for your other "reasons":

1.) My interactions with MBL were (admittedly) because I thought he was pro-town, and I did not like the voters on his early wagon in particular. I'm not going to act like I thought otherwise.

2.) Could you go into more detail with my "behavior towards Bird", then? I have already explained why I did not vote Bird immediately, and I don't particularly enjoy repeating myself. 3/4 of my top suspects were voting for the fourth suspect: that, to me, made his wagon smell scum-driven. I

did

want to gauge reactions to see what people thought of Nightson, but he was not really a viable alternative that late on Day One. I pretty much came into the game where the lynch had already been decided, and if it was necessary, I was willing to vote him if the alternative was No-Lynch since I also had found Bird1111 moderately scummy (for his placement of his

vote on MBL

, as it happens). There is not much more I can say on that subject.

[Zindaras]

Glorky's case aganst Ibby is rather weak. You're taking one game of hers as scum and saying it's a tell. For one, I very much doubt that she changes the way she attacks players with alignment. That'd be a bit silly. For two, it's

one

game. As scum. I don't see a reason to assume, from one game as scum, that she does it always as scum, and never as town.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

inHimshallibe: 4 (Twito, STD, Fritzler, klebian)
petroleumjelly: 4 (CES, inHimshallibe, dahen, Glork)
Mastercheif: 1 (Zinderas)
Zinderas: 1 (Thok)
klebian: 1 (Pooky)
Twito: 1 (Phoebus)

Eight to throw someone out of the airlock.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: inHimshallibe

[Zindaras]

Mod

, could you prod Masterchief for us?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Zindaras

, could you vote inHimshallibe for us?

[Zindaras]

Okididoki.

Unvote, Vote: inHimshallibe

.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote inhim

INHIM IS ONE FROM LYNCH!! SOMEONE HAMMER HIM QUICK QUICK SO WE CAN EAT BANANAS!

[Mr Stoofer]

The "Yes, Pooky can count" Vote Count

inHimshallibe: 7 (Twito, STD, Fritzler, klebian, CES, Zinderas, Pooky)
petroleumjelly: 3 (inHimshallibe, dahen, Glork)
Zinderas: 1 (Thok)
Twito: 1 (Phoebus)

Eight to throw someone out of the airlock.

[dahen]

Lots to read. PJ has put up nicely.

unvote

As for hammering Inhim, I really have to reread on him.

[dahen]

CES: Your longest post in this game so far contains two sentences. Would you mind telling me a little more of your thoughts? Apart from your first random vote, you have been on all wagons without adding reasons.

[Fritzler]

i want my bananas, damn it

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Um, I helped nail a scum, so I don't need to explain my motives? Maybe?

Also, you are clearly trying to draw attention away from inHim. I mean, where is this line of questioning coming from and how is it relevant?

[Glork]

My reasons are not "Ibby did not back off from me," contrary to what you seem to be stating.

Please explain this to me:

My reasons are meta/hunch towards Ibby based on the manner in which she went after

(or more importantly, stayed on) me

, the bit of interaction you had with MBL, and your behavior towards Bird.

"Ibby did not back off from Glork", so far as I'm concerned, is equivalent to "Ibby stayed on Glork". If you meant something else, you are being too vague for me, and you will have to go into more detail.

I already know you're not going to like this, but... I can't really. It's one of those intangible hunch/gut things. It's just in the language (manner) Ibby used. Her posts felt forced/contrived.

1.) My interactions with MBL were (admittedly) because I thought he was pro-town, and I did not like the voters on his early wagon in particular. I'm not going to act like I thought otherwise.

Whether this is true or not obviously remains to be seen. What I do know is that there were some very clear interactions between the two of you. I'm not asking you to pretend you didn't "think" he was pro-town. I'm just saying that I neither can nor will take on faith your claimed reasoning.

2.) Could you go into more detail with my "behavior towards Bird", then? I have already explained why I did not vote Bird immediately, and I don't particularly enjoy repeating myself. 3/4 of my top suspects were voting for the fourth suspect: that, to me, made his wagon smell scum-driven. I

did

want to gauge reactions to see what people thought of Nightson, but he was not really a viable alternative that late on Day One. I pretty much came into the game where the lynch had already been decided, and if it was necessary, I was willing to vote him if the alternative was No-Lynch since I also had found Bird1111 moderately scummy (for his placement of his

vote on MBL

, as it happens). There is not much more I can say on that subject.

You actually make a pretty fair point about the whole "3/4 of my top suspects were voting for Bird" thing. I'm currently trying to mull over whether ScumPJ would actually think he could divert a Birdwagon. I certainly don't see you waltzing into the game and busing him outright if you're his scumbuddy, but I would've expected you to dance around and point some fingers before putting Bird to the guillotine. To say that one would've voted Bird if necessary is, IMO, fairly neutral. Again, I'd expect any halfway decent player to say something like that, regardless of alignment, since the info from a lynch is just that much more important, whether you particularly like the lynch or not. (Note: I'm not taking inHim's argument about your alleged failure to actually hammer... I'm just saying that going "Well I'll lynch Bird if necessary" implies "I don't really want to, but I'll take the info if that's the best we can do.")



In other news.... could someone review the case against inHim? Is it the whole "I didn't think Bird was scum" bit? Because if that really is the case, I'd pretty much have to call foul on that one. Still, I'm quite tempted to hammer just to make up for Day One.

[Glork]

Um, I helped nail a scum, so I don't need to explain my motives? Maybe?

Also, you are clearly trying to draw attention away from inHim. I mean, where is this line of questioning coming from and how is it relevant?

Bzzzt, try again. I know that reckless bandwagoning is kinda your MO, but I do think you owe us a real explanation.

Unvote, Vote: CES
FOS/IGMEOY: PJ.

I will be returning to you sooner or later. Watch yourself, buddy.

[Zindaras]

INHIM IS ONE FROM LYNCH!! SOMEONE HAMMER HIM QUICK QUICK SO WE CAN EAT BANANAS!

Hmm...bananas.

Glorky, as I said in the post where I voted Nightson, I was quite suspicious of bird, but the main reason I didn't vote him because the wagon reeked of scum.

As for the case against inHim, I don't like the way he put MBL back at Lynch-1, and the way he attacked PJ Day Two.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The fact that reckless bandwagonning is kinda my MO, is basically the real explanation, Glrok. (I actually did get the feeling Bird was scum, but that didn't really factor into my decision making process.) Now hammah inHim, if only for the bananas.

[inHimshallibe]

Here are your bananas... *throws bananas*

I'm a Mechanic on the SS Simian - my night choice will undo roleblocking.

Night 1 - No action
Night 2 - Pooky

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Pfft, I don't buy it.

Someone hammah the fool!

[petroleumjelly]

For goodness' sake. I

still

have not reread this game yet,

please

do not hammer. I would like to post more updated thoughts before nighttime.

I already know you're not going to like this, but... I can't really. It's one of those intangible hunch/gut things. It's just in the language (manner) Ibby used. Her posts felt forced/contrived.

Tell me, Glork. How often is Ibby accused of making forced/contrived posts? I might not take notes on her gameplay, but I have seen her accused of

this

enough times that I would certainly hope you have picked up on that.

And uh... that's an interesting claim, there, InHim. A few questions:

1.) What is your complete role name?
2.) Why didn't you make a Night 1 choice?
3.) Does your role in any way infer that there are scum role-blockers?
4.) Why did you target Pooky Night 2?
5.) Is there any flavor as to how people

would

be role-blocked?
6.) Is there any flavor as to how a mechanic would be able to

un

-role-block?

[Masterchief]

Sorry everyone for coming in late. Don't worry, I'll read a few of the pages and screw everything up and get myself killed in a few days.

[Masterchief]

Ok first of all Zindaras. I've been meaning to ask you this for a while. Why do you have two kittens licking each other as an avatar.....

[Twito]

Here are your bananas... *throws bananas*

I'm a Mechanic on the SS Simian - my night choice will undo roleblocking.

Night 1 - No action
Night 2 - Pooky

Haha!