Space Monkey Mafia: GAME OVER!

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I can support a PJ wagon also. As well as what people have mentioned about PJ, I also found some of Ibaesha's posts scummy; she voted for MBL (not so bad), then moved to bird when MBL was at -1 (deflecting a bandwagon from a strong member of the scum to a weaker member of the scum), then started going after Glork/Nightson.

vote petroleumjelly

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Try putting yourself in Ibaesha’s shoes for a moment before you try to construe her actions into being something they are not. Ibby and I seem to think very much alike much of the time, so I have no problems whatsoever ‘defending’ her actions yesterday.

1.) Firstly, the game begins with eight votes on MBL, and for no discernable reason [other than for the sake of bandwagoning]. She finds it funny, but then Glork shouts “HAMMAH HAMMAH!”. This is wrong on multiple counts:

From what I can tell, the MBL wagon dated back to a bunch of posts that disappeared when the first crash happened and made the game disappear. I don't know the full details (since I obviously haven't read any of the posts that disappeared before the crash happened), but the MBL wagon was not out of nowhere.

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I'm not happy with what I'm seeing from Zindaras.

unvote PJ, FOS PJ, vote Zindaras

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Zindaras, it's more for your setup speculation then for your inhim vote (although I don't like that either)

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Zindaras, it's more for your setup speculation then for your inhim vote (although I don't like that either)

I agree with inhim. Do you not wonder why a gorilla was killed last night?

My worry about Zindaras is more of a "Why did he leap to the idea that MBL was a traitor?" It suggests he might have extra knowledge of the setup.

I do agree that it seems likely that MBL was vigged rather than killed by scum; for example, the kill types for the two night kills are different styles (one left a charred body, while the other was a complete vaporization.)

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I mean if we were all robots it might make sense that a mechanic would unroleblock but WE ARE MONKEYS!!! MONKEEEEEEEEYS!

But we're Space Monkeys right? With fancy guns and crazy gadgets that can be broken. Don't see why the mechanics can't fix those.

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I'm not really skeptical of it; I could see how it would work.

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Glork, I find inHim's claim reasonable enough; I already have reasons to distrust his wagon, as two people I've voted for are on it, and like four of the other people on it are bandwagonning just to bandwagon.

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unvote Zindaras, vote PJ

If Zindaras's set up speculation causes me concerns, PJ's speculation makes me go ZOMG SCUMMY SCUM SCUM.

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Why are you assuming my concern comes specifically from me reading post 405? It's true that there is setup speculation in there, but there was also lots of other info in that post, and one could (and I did) miss the speculation if you just glance at it. Moreover, I was also concerned with the fact that inHim was -1 from lynch and that people were yelling to hammer him for a weak case and a claim I found reasonable.

It wasn't until I saw the argument between you and Glork that I saw your worrisome speculation.

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Petroleumjelly's responses are good. I don't think glork can say much against ibby yesrterday that pj has not sufficiently responded to. (One thing, what exactly is tunnel vision?) I now see the purpose of an unroleblocker, such as if a cop claims, the unroleblocker can prevent him from being scum roleblocked. But that seems such a specific role.....

I agree with SV about thok. HOW IS IT SCUMMY TO SPECULATE?

It's a matter of

a. Having insight into things you shouldn't have insight into.
b. Being able to plant ideas into town's collective head. PJ benefits a lot from planting the idea that maybe MBL wasn't really scum, for example.
c. Trying to push discussion in a manner that doesn't seem to fit with facts in the game.

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Curious.

vote CES

I believe lynching him is in the interest of the majority of us.

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Glork, don't waste your time, vote CES. It's what most of us want.

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Et tu, Glork? I believe I know where you're coming from, and CES is a better lynch.

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Curious. Klebian is probably part of the informed minority. Good to know.

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Masterchief, you failed to bold your vote.

This bandwagon has absolutely nothing to do with CES's playstyle and everything to do with the fact that he's part of the informed minority.

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Excellent.

I'm going to wait for people to show up before saying anything; I want to make sure that people are on the same page about what's going on in this game.

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Since it will be somewhat helpful, I should mention that I'm a Gorilla Cop (obviously that's not my true flavor).

I am confirmed sane (CES was Bogre's night 1 target, my other targets are all Gorillas). So I know of four confirmed gorillas (me and my three gorilla night choices), assuming we don't have issues with godfathers/millers whatever craziness you want to call them. I will release as many or as few of my night choices as desired.

I suspect that the SpeedyKQ nightkill was specfically part of the way the set up was designed.

For what it's worth, I have thought a little about what would be potential gorilla/Space Monkey tells; I believe that confusion about what was actually happening is likely a Gorilla tell.

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For what it's worth, I know enough about power roles from the structure of my role that I believe I can catch a fake claim. In addition, if I am ever killed and come up gorilla, you should assume all gorillas are coming up gorilla.

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Could we get

prods

on the people who haven't posted today? I believe that's Pooky, Phoebus, STD, and Twito.

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Mod:

I'd like to request that the deadline for Pooky to post before being modkilled be pushed back 24 hours.

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I might as well release my results now (although they may not mean much if Pooky doesn't get replaced).

Night 1 CES-Space Monkey
Night 2 PJ-Gorilla
Night 3 Phoebus (now SV)-Gorilla
Night 4 Pooky-Gorilla

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Have you paid attention to the discussion at all Masterchief?

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vote Masterchief

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Feel free to role claim if you want to. But right now you are a liability to the majority, independent of your alignment.

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Also, nobody be stupid and end this day prematurely: since it will be difficult to find scum in the first three days, I almost feel like we're starting a new game on Day Four. We should treat today as such, and try to get as much discussion as possible.

Fair enough.

unvote

, only to keep the day from ending quickly.

My personal feeling is that Fritz/Glork/dahen are the people off my list that I feel comfortable about trusting. Doesn't mean I won't consider investigating them, but I find it likely they are in the majority.

I actually think MC is 50/50 either way; I could see him being an idiot and doing this with either alignment. Of course, that said, in either case he's a potential liability.

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I'm willing to hammer if nobody else has anything to say.

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Feh.

vote Masterchief

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Blah. Brilliant, STD posts simultaneously with me casting the lynching vote.

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Klebian is a Gorilla.

I want to try a

vote STD

.

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I'm trying to decide if I can deduce anything from the choice of SV for the nightkill.

I could support a Nightson or Twito wagon in place of an STD wagon; those three are the people I feel don't have a good argument for being Gorilla.

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For what it's worth, I felt that both of you (Glork and PJ) dropped traitor hints day 2. I'm also have trouble seeing a PJ or Glork scum group targetting SV last night.

I know you both feel the urge to throw massive posts at each other, but I'd prefer that we focus on people that might actually be scum.

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My general reason for defending Fritzler is his 517 and 523; those posts strike me more a Gorilla that has no clue what's going on, rather than Space Monkey trying to fake the apperance of that.

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PJ-I felt Glork's reference to Mafia 49, a game in which he was scum and looking for a traitor, was a traitor tell. I could be wrong.

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Waves hi.

Mr Stoofer

, can we get mass prods on everybody?

Seriously, we Gorillas should be able to win this game easily as long as we actually talk to each other and participate. I don't want this to be another Chrono Trigger where the town stopped talking, didn't discuss issues and proceeded to lynch at random once anybody with a clue died.

unvote, vote Nightson

, pressure vote.

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Mr Stoofer

, have dahen and Nightson been prodded yet? Everybody else has at leat made one post today.

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I'm a cop

PJ, AndrewS (was Pooky), klebian are Gorillas.

That's all.

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Mod

Can you give us a general warning of who is in general danger of modkill (i.e. who is one prod away from being modkilled?)

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unvote Nightson, vote STD

, showing a marginal preference for STD over Nightson.

@Glork, what do you think about Twito especially with regards to Masterchief-Twito on day 3?

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OK, let me rephrase that. Why was MC's attack on Twito a sign of him being a Space Monkey, but not Twito's attack on MC?

(Look, it's Glork's favorite scum hunting tool!)

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OK, let me rephrase that. Why was MC's attack on Twito a sign of him being a Space Monkey, but not Twito's attack on MC?

(Look, it's Glork's favorite scum hunting tool!)

I'm... not really sure what you're asking. I never thought that MC's attacks on Twito were a sign of him being a Space Monkey. In fact, I'm not entirely sure that MC ever really attacked Twito other than as OMGUS.

Ah, on rereading your posts I see that. I need to check for other people; I think we can find out some info by looking at what people were interested in MC lynch but not a Twito lynch.

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Random thought: STD, is there anything in your role PM that hasn't been mentioned yet in thread that might be worth saying.

(I have something specific in mind, which I'm willing to mention if necessary, but I want to see STD try to answer this question.)

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The specific thing I wanted to hear about was your win condition. (I don't think that's been mentioned in thread at all.)

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Do you think we started with 6 Monkey's out of 18 (or 5 out of 17 if you don't want to treat SpeedyKQ as part of the game) That a lot of Monkey's for what I consider a fairly weak town.

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unvote

, agreed.

(I had noticed the win condition issue when considering the scum/town being reversed; scum's win condition didn't make sense for an informed minority. I figured I might as well use it for one last shot of info.)

vote Nightson

, this could be Twito instead.

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Twito is a Space Monkey. Before we vote him off, we should analyze what this means.

Also,

FOS Glork

.

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*shakes fist at StD*

Result from Thok Thok?

Look at my first post. Twito's the lynch for today.

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Fritzler, Fritzler! Where are you Fritzler?

(I'm also worried about dahen, Nightson, and klebian not posting, but at least they tend to do that anyways. Fritzler should have said something by now, especially since Stoofer has given every indication that he's going to punish a lack of participation.)

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So, given that Twito is Space Monkey, who else do you think is Space Monkey?

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vote Twito

, just so I don't have to do this at the last minute.

At this point I'm pretty sure of what I'm doing tonight. I think discussion could help, but I also just want to make sure we get a lynch in.

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Also, Thok Thok, I am fairly confident there is a Gorilla Doctor left in the game. The Space Monkeys have already missed their kill once; if they want to miss a second kill, more power to them.

You'll notice I've been avoiding discussing the topic of a Gorilla Doctor. I believe the Space Monkeys have been trying for the double whammy of killing the Gorilla Doctor after he was cleared by me.

I'm not worried about being killed at the moment. I am worried about letting scum gain a tempo by killing my investigation for tonight if he's town/killing the doctor.

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Gives PJ a juice bottle.
Tells Glork to sit in the corner.

Waits for more analysis from dahen.
Asks for klebian and nightson to post.
Asks Fritz to supply bananas and wonders why he isn't doing anything useful.

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Some random comments:

1. I was sure that dahen was the doc, based on his first comment day 4. I was delibarately not investigating him. Oh well. (I investigated Nightson the night I died).

2. A large proportion of the Gorillas were well, worthless. (I'm not faultless; I should have just released my cop results early on to free myself up to communicate more; had I been more talkative day 4 we probably would have lynched Twito over Masterchief. Also, I was tempted at points to say something to the effect of "If anybody claims roleblocker, lynch them immediately; the timing of nightchoices made an RB claim impossible from my point of view.)

3. I had some advantage in this game in seeing investigation results, and some advantage in having been signed up for Rebellion (which had a similar set up). I'm surprised nobody would have mentioned that on the last day. Similarly I figured that somebody would have mentioned that I was high on MC's "People are cool list" in his sig; that means that even if MC would doc randomly, I was likely to be the person he docced randomly. (Yes, MC was not a doc, but that would have shown that Glork was making stuff up like crazy.)

4. I'd like to see if there were any random flavor clues to help out; I noticed the year 6002 (backwards year=> backwards game) and I think I sent some PM's to Stoofer about his avatar at some point (The Space Monkey's covered the Gorillaz).

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I thought this was a well set up game, enough so that I've made a Scummy nomination for it, of sorts.

I was actually surprised to get the sort of answer I did get in response to my first PM to you (the informed minority=scum, uninformed majority=town one). Your answer actually did help me, just by confirming that there was an uninformed majority and an informed minority.

Day 3/4 were weird. There were about 5 different ways I could have run it (I seriously considered flat out claiming and spoiling the set up that way, followed by a CES wagon.) I decided to do it the way that I did for safety reasons (there was a small chance I was wrong) and also to give others a chance to try to confirm themselves by reacting to the CES wagon/figuring out what happened.