LoL eSports Discussion

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I missed the last 2.
Right now I just want to see Complexity win all their games because Prolly is awesome.

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nooooooooees ;_;

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I feel like ahri threw that.

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Holy crap Gambit getting WHOOPED

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Alternate needs to stop losing teammates <.<

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fuck you for not believing in tsm.


TSM

It's not belief, it's pure hatred.
IMO TSM is the most boring team to watch.

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NA feels a lot more relevant than last year

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It's not great, but hey, at least I'm not that European guy who has to be up at 4am to watch his team play!

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Yeah, Vulcun will have to beat both Gambit and Ozone and rely on them losing their last two matches.

It's hardly a stretch, Fnatic can beat both reliably?

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that OMG teamcomp

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IMO what TSM did was moronic, but not inherently wrong. They are only screwing themselves over, nbd

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/in

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That makes 10 of us, if we grab 8 players each there are no players left within the LCS.

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7 each gives us 1 extra player and 3 rejects

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LOL RIV YELLED HOLY SHIT THE SAME TIME I DID

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omg hay westrice :3 <3

Of all the cute players in a CRS vs CoL game, you go for WESTRICE?

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=/
IWD/Voyboy/Prolly/Robert > Westrice imho

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I specified Crs vs CoL, you can't pick Snoopeh
But yes, teh snoopeh is smexy as fuck

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Krepo puns leaves the team unphased lol

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I guess Xpecial is cuter than Westrice, but it's not because Xpecial is cute <_<

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On a much more important note, do you think the commentators are paid extra for those HORRIBLE references before every break?
"oooh, waiting for our flashes to be off cooldown, we'll be back in 3,5!"
like seriously <_<

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The stacks though

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huehuehue

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noooooooooes
welp, roccat is gonna have to kick SK for 3rd place I guess :<

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the zion.
the cane.
the god.

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Dyrus' voice definitely cracked right there.

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Are you familiar with the difference between what and when?

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If so, Cialis might be good for you.

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every jungler is Meteos.

Meteos is probably the single most overhyped player in competitive LoL?

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lets not forget about shook that quickly.

But yes, meteos his playstyle has a tendency to make him look good, while it might not technically be the best playstyle? idk.

He has one of the worst jungler kill participation by a pretty large margin. The only ones below him are Crumbz and Cyanide, both of which have the player with the highest KDA of their region on their team (not sure that last point means anything, but it`s an amusing fact)
But hey, he has the most gold for a jungler!

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I agree with BRO.

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otp?
and you mean kobe?

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Everytime someone says Meteos is top-tier, and angel loses his wings
On a more interesting note, Atlus is now the best caster for saying "Let's get down to business

to defeat the Huns

"

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I don't know why Reck dislikes him and Wildturtle so much.

Well I mean, Dyrus' attitude is absolutely terrible. Or was, he seems to have discovered humility during the summer split.
Disliking WildTurtle is like disliking Krepo. It means you're a bad person >:(

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How does a katarina vs ryze top match goes?

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about the same as 3 of the 6 going 3-0 I spose

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Well yes, but Neo-gambit played like trash all season so... I didn't expect a 3-0

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how neo are we talking? Im talking post alex pre kubon

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oh. didnt watch em.

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damn gilleas, from just qualifying for EU LCS to playing in Worlds. No pressure man!

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I would be PETRIFIED .-.

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expected/10

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Gnar top three support.
huh.

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SK had a chance until Fredy TP'd 2 screens away for that dragon fight.

SK looked better with Gillius. I mean, they still looked terrible, but not this terrible.

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I don't think SK could win against any of the teams with their current level of play.
EDIT: Like, only team I think they could beat is Kabum, and that's because I have no idea what Kabum looks like.

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cry in joy or of laughter?

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@CaliTrlolz8
woohoo KATARINA BABYYYYYYY. SHOW 'EM WHAT I COULDNT T_T
31 minutes ago

lol

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That is one major slap in OMG's face.

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dammit, I wanted that post opportunity

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Scarra poaching punishment handed out. $10k from CLG and Scarra is ineligible for first three weeks.

I thought scarra was a CLG coach?

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... what does ineligible mean?
I thought it meant he couldn't play.

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So just to clarify, we're getting 2 teams from expansion ya?
So whoever wins CA vs F5 and whoever wins the loser of that vs Coast/FSN?

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That is exactly what I said ._.

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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT ._.
Or perhaps you didn't
bollocks

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oh no, hecarim mids incoming :/

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/IN

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... was that supposed to be amusing?

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Me and Iosus got a battle of "who's team threw the hardest this week" in the fantasy LCS. <_<;

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woot woot.
Cali/slooshi doing work.

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They literally just waited for T8 to take every inhib before doing anything.

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team roccat blast off at the speed of light?

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the gay jokes are real.

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Deficio: I'm always watching over you, even when you're sleeping!
Quikshot: Yes, that's when I like you best.

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To the guy who says he can't wait for El Classico: It's no longer El Classico if there are zero spaniards left.

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Whoever has Fredy just got trolled lol

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this game.

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yeah, it makes stun stacking super easy in early game cuz last hitting minion isnt detrimental.

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And he just lost.
AD Fizz so useful

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Why the fuck would you run supp veigar with going Targon.
How are you gonna Q stack? <_<

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...taking Frostfang doesn't help you in any way with that, so what's your point?

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Then again, champion.gg says that most Veigar supports start spellthief, so I guess it's more normative than I remember.

At what ELO?

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Well then.
That was a game.

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@ROBERTxLEE i can feel turtle's pain. irelia stun lasts for years 42 minutes ago
@Imaqtpielol watching adc get annie into irelia stun breaks my heart... LOL 42 minutes ago
@Pobelter thought turtle was gonna go off then he got stunned for 50 seconds 43 minutes ago

The Pros do not like irelia

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Not a huge loss.
Also whoever said Dyrus is best top laner NA should share whatever he's smoking with me.

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Depending on if we're talking about skill or decision making, I'd put dyrus between bottom 5 and bottom 3.

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Actually know, Dyrus' decision making is strong, mostly because his sole decision to make is "Let the rest of my team carry my ass."
It's highly efficient!

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Beat Dyrus with or without intervention from the 10-0-20 bjergsen?
Because I agree with the former, but not the latter.

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Is there anyone in NA besides like... Cris and Avalon, who doesn't have a more convincing scoreline than Dyrus?

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If NA would stop importing korean ex world champion I'd help.

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The question remains: who on TIP will get MVP this week?

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Piglet being 1-7 amuses me, considering the hype.

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Are they in final?

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Megazero played it, in the days of MRN.

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Spell Vamp scales better with penetration than with CDR. Sure, you heal less from Q heal, but you also heal significantly more from ToB, Pool and Ult.

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so these promotion tournament matches have been pretty (predictably?) one-sided.

plot twist!

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That isnt setting the bar very high.

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OH GOD THE SODIUM PUN HURTS

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Also Dyrus got smashed.

shocker

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I'm not saying Dyrus cost TSM that game.
I'm saying Dyrus is heavy.

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Dyrus is the Darien of NA. Sure, his team does well, but his purpose is only to take pressure off the good players on his team by being constantly killeable <_<

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so wait, why is faker not playing this game?
I missed that explanation.

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I dont get the CLG swap. Sure Link isnt a star player, but at least he performed consistently

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That's not that insane though. Remember Peke/Froggen and their 300 CS race?
That was what, 21:13?

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I think saying Ship is 2nd best in NA is a bit generous.

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har har

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Holy shit Fnatic's body language.

Huni and reignover were fucking pissed

?

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Who's the dude on the analyst desk with Sjokz?

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"Reignover commits Sudoku"
Oh yamato, you silly man.

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If c9 makes it to world the way they're playing right now, it's a proof the point system is awful <.<

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I said if.
I didn't actually check and your post made it sound plausible. <.<

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that dive was so bad.
I feel like people are somewhat overhyping the TL win. If Piglet hadn't gotten that steal (and there's a good part skill there, but it was blind so luck is a huge factor too), TL would most likely have lost.
If luck plays a big part in your win, is it really a "totally deserved win"?

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So, assuming all 4 teams get the same result today, we have a 4-way tie between ROC, ELE, GIA and GMB for 2 slots.

How would that work?
Since Elements has a 2-0 record on Gambit and Roccat, do they automatically qualify?

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That... gives literally zero information?

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Ok, so my understanding is that since Element is 2-0 against GMB and ROC

Roccat lose: Element gets 6th, tiebreaker for 7th between roc and gambit
Roccat Win: Tie for 5, element 7 gambit 8

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no
4 way between liquid, impulse, gravity and clg
tsm is 1 game behind.

tomorrow though...

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TL and TIP play each other tomorrow. So, we can only have a 3-way tie for 1st after tomorrow. If it's TL/GV/CLG, GV gets 1st and CLG/TL have to play a tiebreak. If it's TIP/GV/CLG, it's a 3-way tie.

GV doesn't have a winning record against CLG, so it would be a 3way tie regardless.
I want TL and TSM to win and GV and CLG to lose so we can have a 4way tie for 2nd tho!

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Well.
It's harder to hate C9 now that Meteos is gone.
But they're not really "likeable" either.

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I can think of another top laner that really needs to get benched.

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Wouldn't SK get into point qualifier if Roccat and Giants both lose in the first round of playoff?

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Ah.
Damn!

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What's your TSM GV prediction?

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I dunno, if TSM needs to build their entire team around Dyrus for him to perform more threatening teams will probably be able to abuse that.

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I dunno, TSM missing worlds also depends on TL losing to Impulse or CLG, and right now I feel TL is the stronger contender.

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You'll notice the pans stops at Maple.
EDIT: She appears in wide shots and all, but they never actively focus on her.

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What I heard of was not wanting to be in the public eye, if she also isn't into the super gaming schedule that's another issue.

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i'll be sticking around for one more project in League of Legends.

so... she wont be the support for renegades in the LCS?

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So TSM vs. CLG is still a reality.

It's S2 all over again. And for some people, it'd probably be about time.

Assuming TSM beats Liquid.

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There's really no reason to lash out like that.

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You guys are both morons

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Deilor is... whose again?

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haha the c9 trashtalk is amazing XD

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

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Saying "The third seed" is correct, but kinda gives the wrong message.
They're third seed cuz they came in from Challenger and thus started summer with 0 points, but they're (at least IMO) significantly more threatening than H2K

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are there points for getting the proper teams to qualify for the next round AND THEN points for order, or is it only order?

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is someone gonna mention Marin's Mejai?

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Assuming CLG beats Pain (which seems reasonable, but considering some of the day's results...)

KR 4-1 (vs BKT, PAIN, H2K, TSM - FW)
NA 3-1 (vs FW, AHQ, PAIN - KTR)
EU 2-2 (vs IG, LGD - EDG, SKT)
CH 2-2 (vs BKT, H2K - FNC, ORG)
TW 1-2 (vs KOO - CLG, C9)
WC 0-4 (vs - CLG, SKT, KOO, EDG)

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Predictions for tomorrow

SKT

vs EDG

KTR

vs LGD

FNC

vs AHQ

ORG

vs TSM

H2K

vs BKT

C9

vs IG

Not sure about that last one, but IG got smacked and C9 actually showed up pretty hard so...

Assuming those prediction come true, China is looking to only get 1 team out of group. which is crazy enough.

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do you expect CLG to not qualify while having opened 2-0?

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China 0-3 on the day.
Kinda pathetic?

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Why?
IG is playing on Wildcard level. If they actually beat someone I'd be surprised.

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You can also not advance on 4-2 if you 2-0, 2-0, 0-2

incorrect.

x-0-2-2
2-x-y-2
0-y-x-2
0-0-0-x

either its 6-0 4-2 2-4 0-6 or 5-1 4-2 3-3 0-6

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Youd have to have rock-paper-scissor teams.
That doesn't happen...

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id say 1/32 is sorta negligible, but regardless it's not happening, OG is already 3-0

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If you can explain how a 1-0 1-0 1-0 can end up going 2-0 2-0 0-2 im all ears! :p

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Honestly I think the biggest wildcard here would be LGD picking wins in week 2, because I don't expect TSM to make a 3-0 week 2 run.

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If you can explain how a 1-0 1-0 1-0 can end up going 2-0 2-0 0-2 im all ears! :p

I wasn't talking about a specific use case.

If CLG wins NA is 7-2 on the week, then EU and Korea are tied at 5-4.
What is this Worlds.

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Although hopefully FNC can keep AHQ off their backs.

Would it be a stretch to say that KOO losing to CLG means it's possible only one Korean team will reach Quarters?

Yes, because the chances of KT getting out of groups is still higher than TSM's.

TSM needs two things
A) beat KT.
B) Have a better W-L than KT on week 2.

THEN, they also need to win the tiebreaker, unless you expect TSM to step up really hard and KT to crash.
It's

really

iffy.

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I think we shouldn't theorize so much on TSM going from 1-2 to 3-0. The other Group D teams are pretty strong (at least in theory...)

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This is on par/iffier than H2K upsetting EDG, imho.

Unlike BKT, LGD might give signs of life still.

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KR: 7-2
NA: 6-3
EU: 5-4
SEA: 3-3
CH: 3-6
IWC: 0-6

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OF COURSE that happens <_<

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I think it'd be hilarious if Pain managed to pull off a qualification.

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C9 doing as well as they are is surprising, though. Balls is playing better than expected, and C9's shot calling is possibly the best in the world right now.

Hai is the best Western player of all time.

best shotcaller by a landslide.
best player?

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His mechanics were good, sure, but there were a lot of (at the time) mids with better mechanics. I'm not sure if his god-mode shotcalls compensate it to that extent.

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semi-unrelated, but people seem to go crazy for faker, but tbh I feel like Marin is more impressive?

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Well, no matter how much you pray for CLG, you shoulda tried to jinx FW instead.

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so... tiebreaker to see who's 3rd still, right?

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How is "you can't have a rematch from group stage until finals" a complex system?

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I sorta expect Sven and DL to murder each other three day into the split.

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Sven and DL, really?

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Welp, RIP FNC?

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?

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yay missing half the matches <.<

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That's the summer split only

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What do those mean?

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Did Splyce really lose that hard? <.<

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I see a disappointed Quadz

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TSM seems to have the opposite problem.

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TSM could just play without a jungler, it'd probably get them a better score.

Aphro played excellently, I agree.

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honestly that game is gonna be a fantasy dream.
Fenix, Piglet and Freeze prolly have 100+ points combined.

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90ish.
However, the NA ADCs making a point statement. Turtle, Freeze and I think Altec(?) getting 35+ points. If they play like that tomorrow the Forgiven fans are gonna eat their fantasy hats

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Rooting for Echo Fox just for the potential to have REN alone at the top tomorrow.

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meh, coulda done better

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Worse than REN vs TIP? Because that game made a

Baron steal

feel boring.

TL?

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none of which are origen or fnatic.
EU

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dat wall of cupcake traps

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wat

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Im pretty confused at this point.

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COMING SOON TO A GAME NEAR YOU!

TOP LANE RAMMUS AND JUNGLE RUMBLE.

?

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5-1, yes

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where?

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You expect me to LOOK for the answer?

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It's their thing

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Christ SKT is getting wrecked, that is WEIRD 0_o

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Unlikely. Who would SU get their wins over?

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why? 0-o

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well I mean... Shotty is technically the OP

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Strungover is a DMSIS alt from the ninja clan days.

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Just checking: no one is planning on going to Worlds group stages are they/need tickets?

I would really like to, but with surgery/recovery, I don't think we'll have the time or funds to do so.

Are you getting another eye removed?

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The Europe playoffs for world are kinda awkward.
The only way the 3rd place match is of any interest is if G2 and SPY advance to final. G2 vs H2K finals put both at worlds, and any case of G2 not in finals has them autoqualifying from points overload regardless of match results.
That's like... 12% chance of meaningful match.
=/

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heh, someone could pull a C9 from last year, you never know about the gauntlet.

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I guess the only point of the third place match is gauntlet placement?

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I'm happy as long as C9 doesn't go :3

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Well yeah since they get 50% off of being in finals <_<
A MAN CAN DREAM

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No faith in the lms?

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I agree with A, iffier on the other 3 cuz I dunno what china looks like this year

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Id put FW and AHQ over C9 and H2K I think.
D I have no clue besides Splyce not making it

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Wow. Rivington looks like a different person. Phreak looks exactly the same. Maybe with a better tan.

riv where?

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SPOILER ALERT:
Watch the matches.

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You LIKED that game?

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It didn't feel dramatic from home, but YMMV

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EU at 1-8
Brazil is tied in wins, but with a much better ratio at 1-2
LMS is at 3-3

China is 5-3-X
NA is 5-3-X

CIS is 2-1
Korea is 6-3

ANX currently tied with Korea for best Week 1 average, one of NA or China about to join.
THIS WORLDS.

On one hand I don't like C9, on the other the idea of a three way tie between NA, KR and CIS is hilarious.

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SKT has been playing poorly tho.
They crushed C9, but their games since then have hardly been something to write home about.

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They sure did.

I mean, they're performing like they did at MSI, it'd arguably be more surprising to see them crush their group.

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Ignoring fantasy bias, does anyone NOT want to see ANX win? <<

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Well, it is customary for NA to shit the bed in Week 2

EDIT: SO just checked pickem, how do the points work? I have 7/16 for group A, with having ROX and CLG in the right spot.

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I was rooting for CLG, Im just not surprised at them falling short

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But I think EDG has 1st on lockdown now unless H2K goes 3-0.

There's still a few other ways EDG drops 1st.

If EDG going 0-2 against H2K and AHQ it results in a tiebreaker actually, regardless of how H2K does against ITZ
If AHQ goes 2-0 from here it's a tiebreaker

Heck, if ITZ and EDG go 0-2 from here EDG doesn't make it out of group.

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dang son

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For once, EU trumps NA

?
Is this your first year watching worlds?