NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: KingdomAces

Once scum, always scum

[Human Destroyer]

Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

[Human Destroyer]

I think it's just him being peta

UNVOTE:

I don't think I'm quite sold on the ZONEACE wagon atm though HOWEVER

VOTE: Go

#27 is making a mountain out of a molehill (especially considering the quoted post was clearly meant in jest), as is #28 to a lesser extent.

[Human Destroyer]

Human Destroyer, do you actually think MrZepher is town? If so why. Please point out to me posts where he has towntold so I can get a scumread on you and lynch you.

Hello there word twister.

I never said I found him town. I said I found you scum.

There's a stark difference.

[Human Destroyer]

1. Because it is? Its cheeky filler with a scum mindset "I didn't see that one coming from a mile away" _who_ says that? 3. Gosh no because its bunk. "I was 80% sure Dramonic was going to vote me during RVS because it's Dram and we're friendlies" just reeks of bs. Dram has yet to comment. Even if Zeph and Dram were best buds irl its a weird response given dram's vote, which looked somewhat serious.

I know this is directed towards wind-up, but my god this is golden.

1) What reason does he have

not

to say that? Why does it necessarily come from a scum mindset?

3) How does that vote even look remotely serious to you? It looks like any other random vote to me. How does his reasoning "reek of bs"?

[Human Destroyer]

LOL

1) #87 is an answer to your question about Zepher. How did I ignore the question?

2) Yes, you are twisting words. You said I had a town read on Zepher, which I didn't.

3) It wass RVS. It didn't look serious. At all.

4) #88 is not making a mountain out of a molehill; that's a supplement to my original reasons for finding you scummy. And show me exactly where I twisted words in that post. Because spoilers: I didn't.

Your OMGUS isn't exactly helping your case either.

[Human Destroyer]

And now you're dodging my questions.

Hi there scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes, I did answer your question.

I never said he was town. I said you were scum. That is my answer. What gave you the impression that it might not be?

Considering your "mafia tells" are nothing more than blatant OMGUS, you do have to respond to my questions.

And quickly.

[Human Destroyer]

Do you lack reading comprehension or are you scum?

You being scum does not make MrZepher town. I did not defend him, I attacked you. There is far and away a difference.

I never stated, nor do I have, any sort of town read on MrZepher.

The best part is you've dodged all my questions and yet you STILL somehow believe people think you're town.

So tell me, how is calling your vote "blatant omgus" a scumtell? Because guess what, that's exactly what it was! I'll even quote it for everyone's convenience:

I think it's just him being peta

UNVOTE:

I don't think I'm quite sold on the ZONEACE wagon atm though HOWEVER

VOTE: Go

#27 is making a mountain out of a molehill (especially considering the quoted post was clearly meant in jest), as is #28 to a lesser extent.

My vote.

Human Destroyer, do you actually think MrZepher is town? If so why. Please point out to me posts where he has towntold

so I can get a scumread on you and lynch you

.

Not-so-subtly implicating I'm scum without actually pushing.

So just to clarify you are going to ignore my question about MrZepher and just continue to tunnel me for some reason. Got it. I'm the one twisting words? "How does that even look remotely serious" - Uhh Zepher made a scummy post and Dram voted him for it. Looked serious. I stated my opinions. You seem to be operating under the assumption that I have to explain everything in detail to you.

I'm the one making a mountain out of a molehill? Read #88.
I'm the one twisting words? Read #88

Vote: Human Destroyer

Well, thats two mafia down.

Ignores every single one of my questions and votes me, saying I'm being hypocritical, when I am in fact not.

Scum cornered, caught, and needs to be hanged.

[Human Destroyer]

I never stated, nor do I have, any sort of town read on MrZepher.

lrn2read Smashbard

[Human Destroyer]

Do tell though, Smashbard, how is my "unclear" answer scummier than Go's complete lack of answers?

[Human Destroyer]

He asked if I had a town read. I said I don't.

If you really need to grasp that far, I'd say null

[Human Destroyer]

Because being expected to be voted for something is what mafia think about, not town. That early in the game town isn't concerned about what they will be voted for they're usually RVSing or throwing around a few votes to test the waters. Not premptively expecting a vote... for what? I dont even remember at this point. Something scummy. Thats why I believe (actually know) it comes from a 'scum mindset'. HD has already used ad hominem as a recourse to common sense multiple times today, and I really am not going to bother addressing it. There is nothing blatant about my play this game at all.

He is consistently using charged rhetoric to over justify his flimsy positions and I simply do not have the time or the willpower to wallfight him for ages because he is the type of player who will have a response to everything regardless of common sense.

Do not interpret this as evasion; interpret as an unwillingness to get drawn into a large drawn-out ego battle with someone who I think is scum. I dont believe in arguing with scum. And you can be sure, HD is scum.

Firstly that's not a wallfight

Secondly, if you're going to call my positions flimsy, you at least have to say

how

they're flimsy. You've just gone and said "Hey your positions are flimsy." but haven't said anything to back that up.

So you're asking people to not interpret it as what you're actually doing? >.>

[Human Destroyer]

Your reaction to the vote was horrific, by the way

You literally went and:

-called me scum the post after I voted for defending Zepher (who you were tunneling pretty hard before I jumped in if memory serves)
-OMGUS'd me and just called bs on everything I said rather than responding to it
-Told people to interpret posts as you want them to

That's not a good reaction

P-Edit: Except if there are people that do it as town...it isn't really a very good scumtell, now is it?

P-P-Edit: lol

[Human Destroyer]

^See, you just did it again!

[Human Destroyer]

1) There's a large difference between tunneling and calling someone scum. Learn it.
2) Gee, I wonder where we might need rhetoric. Maybe in a game about arguing? Hm I WONDER
3) I didn't, you just got all mad about word semantics.
4) Except I never lied. So where are you getting this "He's lying" crap? And again, you got mad about my answer for word semantics.
5) Me. You've just shoved "HD is scum" in everyone's face 20000 times in hopes people will believe your crap "case".

[Human Destroyer]

I'm going to stick my fingers in my ears and scream at the top of my lungs so no one hears anything HD is saying about me and hopefully no one will vote me for it!

[Human Destroyer]

What makes NS scum to you?

[Human Destroyer]

I still don't get how people think Go is town.

Can someone please explain it to me?

[Human Destroyer]

I still don't get how people think Go is town.

Can someone please explain it to me?

One of you can't be town while the other is scum, because you're both using the same tactics for answering questions and throwing around accusations. So either that means that you both are exerting town tells or you're both exerting scumtells. I can see why people are leaning more towards town than scum, but I'm still waiting proper answers to your/my questions towards Go before I move away from suspecting either of you.

If he continues to be purposefully obtuse, I'll definitely want him lynched so I can get a better idea on your alignment from his flip.

Not really.

I didn't dodge the question thrown at me, or answer it in a purposefully vague way; I thought my answer would get the point across (which, evidently, it didn't).

How are my accusations similar to his if mine are based on the way he's accusing me and his own behaviors?

[Human Destroyer]

#163

I don't need to have a town read on someone to attack someone who looks scummy that happens to be attacking them. That was the point I was (trying to) make when I answered the question he asked. He also asked if I had a town read, not what my read on Zepher was, so technically, I did answer his question.

#164

The last point makes sense to me. For the rest...doesn't NS normally play like that or something?

[Human Destroyer]

bacde's only form of self-defense appears to be belittling people

Interested to know what you think of Go after this sentence

(If I could doublevote him I would :/)

Is there like an actual reason you guys are wagoning bacde or is this just an "LOL BACDE IS SCUM BECAUSE WE SAID SO" moment

[Human Destroyer]

*psst*

Hey

NS

Hey

Someone's missing from that reads list

[Human Destroyer]

I am

They told me I was special in school

AND THEY WERE RIGHT

HA

[Human Destroyer]

But seriously though, how do you have 4 people on there that you "barely know are in this game", yet don't have 4 people that you DO know are in the game?

[Human Destroyer]

To anyone too fucking lazy to read a mere 10 pages of the game in order to properly participate:

Replace the fuck out so that somebody who actually will bother to read can participate. I don't have enough votes to go around to lynch all of you for being fucking useless. Thank you for your time.

Anyone that denies Smashbard is town has serious mental issues, tunnel vision, OMGUS, or a scum role PM

Or a combination of those

[Human Destroyer]

why do people read this dickhead as town again?

I don't

I just don't read him as scum

[Human Destroyer]

^I'd be fine with that, but would prefer Go for being obv-scum (i.e. I'll switch to prevent no lynch)

(Should also note he's voting for his supposed "idiot mafia" instead of "obvious mafia", yet wouldn't it make more sense to keep the "idiots" around?)

[Human Destroyer]

@Smashbard

A reads list won't do much for you because I don't really have many solid reads

But I'll give you the ones that are at least semi-solid

Go is obv-scum

You're town

Bacde is null-town

Dramonic is null-scum

MrZepher is null-scum

P-edit: I lol'd

[Human Destroyer]

Oh and I'm starting to put ZONEACE closer to town because that wagon grew far more quickly than it should have for this early in the day

[Human Destroyer]

So tell me what interactions make you believe that any pairing of those 4 are connected, then I'll start believing Greygnarl isn't just randomly defending Zoneace as his scumpartner and that you guy actually make sense.

Well it's not even that more than one has to be scum

It could just be one (opportunism etc)

Bacde wagon is terrible and probably has scum on it too ftr

As for which people on the wagon are scum I'll get back to you

[Human Destroyer]

Oh wait I thought the ZONEACE wagon was bigger than 4

FML

[Human Destroyer]

Because town never joke around.

Ever.

[Human Destroyer]

Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

[Human Destroyer]

ILL ATE YOU IF I WANT

-uh I mean, oh right meta tells

You're more lighthearted as town IMO

[Human Destroyer]

Possible V/LA over this weekend for large snowstorm hitting the area. I will probably be active, but just in case, I'd prefer to be treated as V/LA.

[Human Destroyer]

^so you mean he's scum for doing things a townie...should...be...doing?

???

[Human Destroyer]

greygnarl is probably town... I can't see his play as being a viable scum strategy because he will get lynched if he continues to play like this

Everytime someone says "scum would never...", a goon earns a scummy.

[Human Destroyer]

dramonic is a horribad lynch wtf

JS is on V/LA

What is the case on ZONEACE even

Zepher I'd be okay with

UNVOTE:
VOTE: greygnarl

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah I just did a quick ISO skim of dramonic

Where the fuck is the scum motivation, cause I don't see it

[Human Destroyer]

I could actually see Bacde as scum with greygnarl but I'll decide that for sure after greygnarl flips

rofl is also town

[Human Destroyer]

@Bacde:

-Why does a such a supposedly bad case have a scum motivation? Do town not make bad cases as well?
-Why would ZONEACE consciously misrep your case as scum if people can just go back and look at it themselves?

Like seriously all I see is OMGUS from his "bad" case on you so it isn't really a good vote tbh

P-Edit: Smashbard, give me your full take on why ZONEACE is scum, thanks.

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah Bacde got there first

IMO it's WIFOM logic that I wouldn't personally use

[Human Destroyer]

Oh damn

Now you're making me choose between NS and greygnarl

My body is not ready for this choice

[Human Destroyer]

zepher and smash are actually the best vig targets. if zepher flips scum human destroyer dies next.

No I don't.

If I do die next though, I get to laugh at you after you're proven wrong, fair?

[Human Destroyer]

I'm voting Zepher until I get done with more in depth analysis on what happened yesterday. I'm going to keep on posting that reminder every post I make to eventually force myself to complete that analysis of Zephers reads.

But I am liking the Konowa, Wind Up, Go wagon of Dramonic better than Zepher. If only because I have town reads on Konowa and Wind Up. While I don't have town reads on Jacob & Nobody Special.

Except dramonic is town

Like seriously the whole idea of a dramonic wagon is a pile of shit

VOTE: Zepher

Fine with Zepher though, his WIFOM argument does nothing to lessen my scumread on him

[Human Destroyer]

He was null-scum when he was supposedly "lying" about his crippling computer issues and using them as an excuse to not post

He's pretty much town now that he's actually posting and doing work and scumhunting and shit

So don't be all "OMG HE FLIPPED READS"

Doesn't help your case that the current attacks on him are REALLY bad

[Human Destroyer]

Konowa would be a decent lynch today IMO

His original reasoning for dramonic-scum is an associative tell with greygnarl...who flipped town.

I suggest people read dramonic/grey side by side. Here.

There's nothing overt in there that screams buddies, but iso 21/22 and iso 30/31 are just UGH.
I don't know, I feel like I'm forcing something here.

His supposed reasoning now is that apparently dramonic's play was too...self-serving and safe? What?

Konowa please elaborate.

[Human Destroyer]

^^Nah, I caught that too. He totally scumclaimed, but it seemed so

deliberate

that I can't in good faith call it a slip and vote for him.

I can.

Unvote. Vote: Nobody Special

Thanks for catching that, Aces!

This is a really shitty and scummy vote

[Human Destroyer]

I'm patiently waiting for people to join me on the JS wagon.

Funny, I'm patiently waiting for you to get lynched.

You haven't done anything resembling trying to convince us to lynch JS; all you've said is "ISO him, you'll see!"

[Human Destroyer]

Everyone to stop realizing that all of those lynches except Mr. Zepher are shitty

[Human Destroyer]

Considering Zepher has done shit-all to prove JS-scum, I'd say the former.

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah tbh I really didn't want to post during that because it was just mindless fighting

Back to your regularly scheduled MrZepher lynch.

[Human Destroyer]

Are you going to suggest a wagon then?

[Human Destroyer]

Oversoul is Go's replacement, right?

I'd join you on that wagon.

I'd join you on Konowa as well.

But first we lynch Zepher.

[Human Destroyer]

Why would I switch when there's a larger wagon on a scummier player?

[Human Destroyer]

Yes he is.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:







































VOTE: MrZepher

PSYCHE!

[Human Destroyer]

We'll be friends after Zepher eats rope

[Human Destroyer]

We can be companions once MrZepher has kicked the bucket.

[Human Destroyer]

By tearing MrZepher limb-from-limb, we can have a cannibal pact!

...

Okay that's enough lol

[Human Destroyer]

Oh right this game exists

Why am I being voted?

I'm going to take a hard look at this game tonight, but right now I have other games and homework.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh right this game exists

Why am I being voted?

I'm going to take a hard look at this game tonight, but right now I have other games and homework.

probably because you defended Zepher, any thoughts about that?

I didn't; I attacked Go on his terrible attack on Zepher. I suppose you

could

call it a defense, but that's not the way I intended it.

I found Zepher scummy later on, so my focus ended up switching to him anyway.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

[Human Destroyer]

This is humorous

[Human Destroyer]

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

No. If he had strong scumreads and strong townreads then they can be useful. He probably protected his strong townread (you know, in case he died and we looked at his ISO), or scum targeted him for his scumread (unless scum just naturally hates him).

The problem is that it's impossible to tell which it actually is

Therefore it's difficult to actually ascertain anything through his reads

[Human Destroyer]

He did?

[Human Destroyer]

He did?

is this your entire post? why didn't you just reread kon and see what his reads were?

this feels like acting to me

because general laziness

[Human Destroyer]

this is that part of the game where more people start voting for nobody special

I'm hesitant.

I just read Breaking Bad Mafia, and everyone thought NS was scum, and he turned out being a scum-driven mislynch.

He looks almost exactly like he did in that game.

I should also mention I caught him as scum in Newbie 1324, and I don't see the same things I saw there.

I'm not voting NS today.

If it's between NS and ActionDan

VOTE: ActionDan

[Human Destroyer]

Um.

Saying "he looks exactly as he did in this game or that game" is a subjective assessment instead of an objective one based around what NS has ACTUALLY SAID in this game.

Since I just went over that newbie game HD linked, I read side-by-side read iso's from NS and HD.

NS was scum from #221 alone. That's an objective assessment since he had been partner hunting eariler in that game before he found other people doing the same thing "ludicrous".

There's a difference between partner-hunting and scumhunting.

I was hunting for scum which wasn't based on ChaosOmega's flip.

Nacho was hunting for partners specifically for ChaosOmega's scumflip.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NS

I'm a VT

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah like I'd totally rather myself lynched over NS

[Human Destroyer]

Not really

I actually still want ActionDan lynched, but you people are really dumb and decided to run me and NS up instead.

[Human Destroyer]

Calling you dumb is an appeal to stupidity, not emotion

[Human Destroyer]

You do realize you just switched the L-1 to me, right

P-Edit: VT

[Human Destroyer]

Do I still need to pretend I'm town

It hasn't exactly been easy this game :/

[Human Destroyer]

OVERSOUL YOU DID IT

[Human Destroyer]

jesus I'm surprised we won that it was rolecop and daytalk vs. day masons, bodyguard, gunsmith, AND jailkeeper

also sorry bout that peta; on the bright side it worked