Micro 181: Everyone's being watched (Game Over)

[Miss Destroyer]

Mara here!!

/confirm

[Miss Destroyer]

VOTE: Horus

^ Scum hopping on a wagon

[Miss Destroyer]

Scum found.

VOTE: Zionite

Also Rach and Mala are totes scared of us~

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[Miss Destroyer]

whoops, still here though me and HD have to do a bit of talking.

for now UNVOTE:

I'm not exactly thrilled with the Zionite vote anymore regardless of what HD thinks. Will catch up and I'll give my individual thoughts.

[Miss Destroyer]

Holy shit, HD liked Bo for town and I agree with him though one thing catches my attention

"That’s all gut, though. In fact, I’m more confident Mala is town if Zionite flips scum, than I am confident Mala is scum if Zionite flips town."

I was gonna tell you that you were misrepping, but I went back to check. So yeah, Malatown/Zionscum is more likely to me than Malascum/Ziontown.

More reasoning to this if at all Possible? HD liked Zio scum, and he also left me a note saying he liked Mala scum and I'm agreeing with Mala-scum. alot of the stuff you are saying remind me of stuff HD left me when he stated his vote and his confidence in Zio scum is super similar to yours.

I think I'm vibing rach as town this game, she's more aggressive than her scum games I had with her so I'm leaving her alone.

I'm thinking Horus was scum, though I'm starting to lean town on him and I'm leaning town on groove so I didn't read their walls.

I think Wisdom might be town...

[Miss Destroyer]

Wisdom is going to have to explain that rach town read to me though, I understand where she is coming from

♀

[Miss Destroyer]

I mean Rach scum read, not town read

[Miss Destroyer]

yeah

He skimmed through the thread and he was giving me his reads. He said he was going to post today because he didn't have the time to last night

[Miss Destroyer]

And her reads are a little town lean here, a little scum read there, and everyone else unsure. She doesn't even look like she's suspecting anyone.

This makes her scum because...?

[Miss Destroyer]

That pings your scum-dar now because...?

HD made that post forever ago and was the first to vote Zionite and you followed our vote onto Zionite. If you didn't like it, why didn't you bring it up earlier and if it bothers you, why did you follow the vote?

and I was talking about the reason he gave me on skype when he made the inital vote

I also never stated that you were trying to copy HD's thoughts, I said DBK's reasons have a similar ring to my Hydra partners

♀

[Miss Destroyer]

Mala, how reactive are you as town?

[Miss Destroyer]

Can you at least give me an ETA of when you'll even acknowledge a case on you exists Fuzzy?

ETA? do you know mollie?

Fuzzybug is probs town

Mala, I asked because your reaction was jumpy and it seemed bad from my perspective and I remember that you tend to be a little jumpy and reactionary as scum

could get behind the Mala/Rach scum-team I think I just need to hear from HD

♀

[Miss Destroyer]

Fuzzy is town, I'm pretty sure

♀

[Miss Destroyer]

I HAD AN EPIPHANY WHILE I WAS READING THE EARLY GAME AGAIN

VOTE: Zionite

Hey guys, remember when Zionite had an L-1 wagon on him?
Remember when he reacted strongly to everyone's vote?
There's...someone he didn't react to.

I'll give you a hint: their name starts with Mala, and ends with Kittens.

[Miss Destroyer]

^~

[Miss Destroyer]

Yes, he totally thinks they are scum budz

and Mala was voting us, though before she voted us her vote was on Zio.

Zio could have been trying to get a counter wagon going, what are you trying to say Rach?

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Ok more details please what do you mean about Zio and Mala? Are you hinting they might be scum budz?

Indeed I am!

I thought Mala was voting you?

She switched to Zio right before Fuzzy did. (Wagon composition was us, Mala, Fuzzy, DBK, in that order)

I did notice though that Zio did not spend much energy on me until after he was at L-1 and I was voting for you Miss D...

I didn't.
We're not scum though if that's what you're trying to insinuate through this.

P-Edit: NO MALA I WAS POSTING

~

[Miss Destroyer]

I MEANT MARA SORRY GIRL <3

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[Miss Destroyer]

WELL, IT'S KINDA HARD TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN I'M NOT ALWAYS TALKING TO MY HYDRA-BUDDY

we both agree though that DBK is town and Grimgroove is town

HD thinks Horus is town

and I think Wisdom is town

Fuzzy is leaning town

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

I'm null Horus, HD is just taking my word on Wisdom. I don't think he has any opinions on you ATM

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Zio, if you're VT, why did you ask when to claim and why didn't you claim when you got to L-1 twice?

[Miss Destroyer]

I'm vanilla town.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

(goddammit mara I was going to say that )

~

[Miss Destroyer]

Swords is town, he replaced into a town-slot good to know~~

I'm sad that he doesn't say hi to me though?

what chu' wanna talk about mala? it sounds like you think Swords is scum? if so, why?

we didn't talk about shit last night, like how I wish we did. Need to scrouge through the thread and refine shit on my own I guess

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

HD is being a piece of shit and not talking to me about anything so I have no clue to what he thinks

HD also tunneled Zio when he was here...

Swords is def. not town, and alot of the things DBK wrote gave HD a good vibe, alot of the things he's writing now reminds me of town-swords

Grim, HD will have to answer your question when he gets here, if he gets here.

Rach, explain your scum-read on me beyond my apathy and my "lurking" because that's beyond null

~Mara

Shut up Wisdom

[Miss Destroyer]

He's town

>.>

Pedit: what else can I do, he's being a derpfuck

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Not you, and not swords. Last time we talked, HD really liked Grim and Horus for town and I might be wrong on my initial Mala read so...

That leaves rach I think...

I'd be willing to put one of HD's reads into the scum pile I think, we had a little fight about Horus early game

[Miss Destroyer]

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Null-town, her call out to me early game looked pretty town as fuck in that, she was actually trying to get me to interact with her. alot of her posts today makes me second guess my read on her, and it's a whole lot better than yesterday so I think she might have been struggling to follow along with the game though she may actually be trying to find scum

[Miss Destroyer]

Null-town, her call out to me early game looked pretty town as fuck in that, she was actually trying to get me to interact with her. alot of her posts today makes me second guess my read on her, and it's a whole lot better than yesterday so I think she might have been struggling to follow along with the game though she may actually be trying to find scum

This post doesnt make much sense. In post 233 you said you liked Mala scum, but here you seem tos ay MAla has been looking town ever since the beginning where she called you out and tried to itneract with you. Then you say her posts of today make you "second-guess" this townread, so I assume you think her posts today are scummier, but then you say "it's a whole lot better than yesterday" (how?) and you're now thinking she's struggling town.

Unless I misunderstand the phrase "town as fuck" and you actually mean she's scum through this analogy.

@mod

Horus hasn't been online for a week, and his alternate Master Mew has been replaced out of a newbie game due to inactivity. I think it's time to consider doing the same here.

Post 233 was D1, D1 I liked Mala scum D2 I don't. I said she looked townier today when she called me out and tried to interact with me D2. She didn't try to work with me at all D1, yesterday's posts were scummier than today's posts

a claim isn't going to do anything, but tomorrow is going to be lylo so I would look at Horus and Rach

[Miss Destroyer]

yes Grim

Wisdom, stop being stupid

[Miss Destroyer]

Except, this time around I'm Town and not scum.

A claim isn't going to change anything, I'm not anything special but tomorrow is going to be lylo.

Pedit: I don't know, I can't think for shit. I don't really remember how I came up with my word phrasing

[Miss Destroyer]

Nope, but as scum I would at least claim a PR and draw out a claim

[Miss Destroyer]

the global watcher and the back-up dude...

Fake-claim as back-up dude, and draw him out, fake-claim Global watcher and "tag" someone who targeted Fuzzy as scum

......

yeah

[Miss Destroyer]

oh, right...

well, I claim global watcher and then do shit with that.

Pedit: no it isn't, the person that I claimed to track to the dead body could be lying as well

[Miss Destroyer]

oh wait, claiming who everyone visited N1... riiight

[Miss Destroyer]

could say that I was role-blocked

[Miss Destroyer]

No, I am not the Watcher

[Miss Destroyer]

What's a Telo?

Hey, Wisdom 2 for 1

where did you explain your scum-read on us that had to do with the actual game? I remember you voting us for not playing to our meta and I asked for something other than that because those things your stated were null at best

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

You can't read me for shit, and you will see that after I flip

[Miss Destroyer]

if you look at the sign, you would see that the epiphany came from HD, not me.

561, 562, 563 was me playing around with idea of what I would do as scum

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Hey mara, you could've like told me Day 2 started

VOTE: Mala

haven't read yet, but I last left off at grimgroove-town, wisdom-town, and dbk-town

~:dead:

[Miss Destroyer]

I don't see how a mere "associative tell" is enough for such conviction in voting for someone. Same for Horus.
Question to both Horus and Miss Destroyer: What do you make of the supposed connection now that Zionite flipped town?

it was obviously wrong, but I had Mala as a seperate scum read anyway

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[Miss Destroyer]

HD is being a piece of shit and not talking to me about anything so I have no clue to what he thinks

HD also tunneled Zio when he was here...

Swords is

def. not town

, and alot of the things DBK wrote gave HD a good vibe, alot of the things he's writing now reminds me of town-swords

Grim, HD will have to answer your question when he gets here, if he gets here.

Rach, explain your scum-read on me beyond my apathy and my "lurking" because that's beyond null

~Mara

oh yes, blame it on me

and this better be a typo because that slot is obvious town

[Miss Destroyer]

k
Miss D/Malakittens is what I'm seeing right now

mala's probably scum, we're not

mara also reminded me of horus-town so that's cool too

[Miss Destroyer]

oh wait

that just leaves Mala/Rach

2 e z

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[Miss Destroyer]

So are you saying she isn't scum, Mala?

No, I'm just never going to let her forget the memory of that game.

Also:

VOTE: Rach

___

I'd honestly like to hear from Horus replacement before we go into night. Plus I want to see Rach's reaction to Mara etc.

distancing detected

Silence

what the fuck is this post

why would you want us to stop talking

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[Miss Destroyer]

Vote Count 2.4

[3] Miss Destroyer:

RachMarie

, Grimgroove, Wisdom,
[2]

RachMarie

: Sword_of_omens,

Malakittens

,

Not voting: Miss Destroyer, Horus,

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-21 14:25:49)

ding ding ding

we have a winner

mala is voting rach so that one gets towncred after the other gets lynched tomorrow

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[Miss Destroyer]

(well, today if I can help it )

done spamposting now

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[Miss Destroyer]

Rach, did you not see me point out the fact that lurking is beyond null for me? I stated it like, twice. why are you ignoring it?

UNVOTE:

Still like Mala town

There is alot of shit we disagree on Grim, the only thing we are even remotely on the same page on is the fact that Rach is likely scum
~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

I'm defintely down with that

~mara

[Miss Destroyer]

we visited Mala

GO WISDOM GO~~~

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Mara plays in hydras all the time, it's normal that she knows what to say when in a scum hydra.

I only have one complete scum hydra game, all the rest of them are town ones so no, I don't know what to say in a scum hydra.

I agree with you on rach though

and yes, I agree with you that we aren't doing enough RE explaining our reads.

You do realize you're making connections that aren't there in this game too right wisdom?

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

wait, you go from saying Rach is town for the reasons Egg says, prior to the claim but you now say she's scum because she's the only one who claimed to visit fuzzy?

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

VOTE: Wisdom

god, drawing scum twice in a row must suck.

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Hey guys, it's wisdom

He's scum

He's connected me and Mala

and he's agreed on my Mala/Rach scum team yesterday

He's also just made a connection between me and egg

the thing is, he never makes these connections as town. I have a few times, but he never does

and absolute certainty that you found scum is a scumtell?

Please, over half of my town tunnels start because I'm certain I have found scum. You can look at all my games, and every single person I attack I'm usually more than certain that the person is scum, otherwise I wouldn't attack hard in the first place.

you constant flips on Rach, hell your flips period are not natural for town-wisdom how you leave her D2 is wierd, considering how you tunneled her until late D1.

much like how your tunnel and back off on vigi was unnatural. you need to die

Pedit: Oh gawd, the " X person's vote is useless" thing... Die Scum die

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Do you really think it's a MsM/Egg team?
with both of them abstaining from the main wagons

Its either Miss D and Malakittens, or Miss D and Egg. I kind of had a townread on Horus so I am not that sure about Egg; but seriously I don't understand his play at all.
In any case there's no doubt Miss D is scum, especially after those last attempts of her to push me.

this is you making the connection between with someone else. you have done it many times, but you have denied it when I brought it up.

You're scum

~MMara

[Miss Destroyer]

I bring up the point that you are making connections between people, and I have never seen you do it as scum. first time you ask, second time you outright deny that you did it, third time you actually show me a link where you did make connections but if you were town you wouldn't be worried about me using it as a point against you and you would have done that first and foremost.

also

k
Miss D/Malakittens is what I'm seeing right now

connection between me and Mala, you don't do anything with it. you just state it.

and then you make a connection between me and Egg when he joins me onto you...

also, your stance on Rach this game gives me a huge De ja Vu feeling on your stance on Vigiven in the polygamist game. This is making me believe that Rach is in fact town

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Pedit: Oh gawd, the " X person's vote is useless" thing... Die Scum die

Oh do tell me how this is a scumtell.
You're desperate and you're just going over everything I say and add "omg scum scum scum".
It won't work, Mara.

It's circumstantial, and it's a way to try and get another person to jump off your wagon when it's slowly growing. You discredit the person voting for you, telling them that their vote sucks and that it's useless with deadline looming. It's weird given the fact that your vote is on someone Just as "useless" and that rule, for some reason, doesn't apply to you.

and speaking of going over everything we do and painting it under scum light...

Town can't contradict themselves?

because, if it's true than you should look at a few of your own actions.

you use absolute certainty that a person is scum as a scum-tell when you know it isn't.

and you compare me to a game where you're scum to call me scum when our play styles are nothing alike.

you are scum and you must die

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Yes, absolute certainty is a scum-tell that can be applied to everyone and I was scum in this game

lol,

I really, really do think that I caught scum though and I feel like a kid at Christmas ATM.

Pedit: or we can actually get scum today.



why is Guille bad?

I only need 5 more people to join this wagon and we will get scum lynched today.

Pedit:

and this game

yes... that's how you win these things. You can't win unless you lynch scum and I think you're scum so...

DP, you're scum and you're only getting scummier. stop talking

Citro is your buddy.

we explained it already, in fact we already covered what would happen if there was a doc/JK

if there was one of those roles, we would be in the exact same position as we are in today. If there isn't a doc/JK we lose Autti who is our conf. town.

the fact that you are unwilling to confirm Autti when it's clear that TAM bread-crumbed an investigation on her and got an inno is scummy.

DP, that's a stupid Idea but that's ok because you are still scum.

You say Citro is probs scum, but then say that you still prefer the no-lynch so yeah. I really, really think that you should die

[Miss Destroyer]

(hint I was not scum in either of those games, absolute certainty that someone is scum isn't a scumtell)

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

No there isn't.

Your point it, being absolutely certain that a person is scum and continually calling them scum is a scum-tell. I state that doing that isn't, I bring up two games that back up my stance that being absolutely sure that someone is scum isn't a scumtell.

I had a town read on Despers prior to attacking him like that, everyone thought my case against him was weak as fuck as you are saying my case here against you is right now.

and I'm not treating you any different here than I treated DP in the second game. there is no difference and you're making it look like there is one.

and look, you use "there is nothing resembling town mara" you know nothing of town mara, you only played two games with her and both are two different states of mind.

and, if we are going to talk about cases you barely even have one against me

~mara

[Miss Destroyer]

I also explained that contradiction, and what I meant.

[Miss Destroyer]

No, you are making connections. making teams means you are making some kind of connection between those people, even if your reason isn't visible.

[Miss Destroyer]

I also stated all your weird switching on Rach doesn't make any sense at all what-so-ever from town perspective

[Miss Destroyer]

The bolded is a valid reason for thinking you're scum

[Miss Destroyer]

I even stated that you denying that you made no connections between me and anyone, couple times before you showed me a game where you did make connections as town implies that you didn't want to be caught in a possible "scum wisdom" relative tell

Pedit: you made the connection between and Mala. If you think me and Mala are a team, you are connecting us together regardless if you explain the connection or not

Pedit X2: no one would blame you, but this weird tunnelXBackoff/buddying Complex is weird and I think you want town-cred for

not

being on the town-rach wagon

Pedit: I didn't state that you were scum in every single post I made. I stated it a few times, but not every single post I made

[Miss Destroyer]

The scum team is you and Rach isn't it?

VOTE: Rach

I'll come after you tomorrow after your buddy dies

[Miss Destroyer]

and don't even bother talking to me in twilight, because I'm not going to respond

[Miss Destroyer]

VOTE: wisdom

not moving this.

I was, and am pretty sure that wisdom is scum and his interactions with Rach made the most sense to me when it came to partners. I saw it as a combination of bus/deflecting the lynch from Rach yesterday.

how he tacks on to people, then does his back-off is weird and the fact that he's now trying to work with me, despite thinking I was hard-core scum yesterday doesn't vibe.

I'm thinking either Wisdom-Egg, or Wisdom-Mala but I think HD is more likely to support a Wisdom-Mala team. Either way, Wisdom is scum.

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

I'm not moving my vote

all this begging isn't going to do anything