It's from the game I linked earlier.In post 474, Mutleyddmc wrote:Where is that quote of chens Tierce. Is it from another game cos you are confusing me
Can't help you with the opening bit, you probably know his Townplay better than I do since I've never played with Syryana-scum and it gets harder to judge when I'm scum and skimming Town posts like wheeee. But I don't think he "swung on it like a sledgehammer". I agree with him that it removes the pressure, but I don't think Syryana was calling Mutley scum from it? (fake edit: actually addressing this on the next post because I want to go through his posts and I don't see an actual reason for that Mutley vote)In post 235, Nachomamma8 wrote:The Former Syrnanas:
Mutley is a troll. Sometimes things he posts are a little lighthearted, random, light to handle. Syryana swung the fuck on that anti-town, hard to read post like a sledgehammer. Town Syryana would want to use opening posts to buddy a bit, troll a bit, do random aggro things and yell at people. But here he attacked a weak player, defended strong players and took two wallposts to do it.In post 85, Syryana wrote:Worst post of the game thus far. Completely defeats the point of a pressure vote if you call it a pressure vote.
"Moved onto before" what? havingfitz was one of his suspects, Mutley was another, he was shifting wagons from L-1 to not L-1.In post 235, Nachomamma8 wrote:Tierce he respects you as a player but not this much. He switched over so easily from this target he attacked SO VERY STRONGLY onto a suspect he moved onto before.In post 91, Syryana wrote:Oh god, I was trying to forget about that game.
Good point on the quickhammer though, I don't think that two of the three not voting people will waltz in and derphammer like that game, but better safe than sorry.
He didn't open Zachyard with trolling, and other than Bert and you, I don't think this playerlist is the trolling/circlejerk kind. He started trolling with you because he admires and likes you and it was the opportunity he had. What do you mean by trolling "in the same way he could"?In post 235, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 184, Syryana wrote:Nooooooooooooo, not my Bert!I call him out for not trolling, he immediately starts trolling. Which is odd timing and he wasn't trolling in the same way heIn post 184, Syryana wrote:Now you're here to spice up my life, I can't do it without youcould.
:/ So he's damned for trolling, damned for not trolling you? Did you expect him to keep asking you every single post why he's scum? Post 196 reads like a trollish post of someone waiting for you to explain why he's scum, and he replied to this very post in Post 263. Asking for you to explain your reads is not appeasement.In post 235, Nachomamma8 wrote:drops this when i ignore him and keeps trollingIn post 186, Syryana wrote:Talk to me, tell my why I'm scum
Tell my why fitz is town too while you're at it
he wanted to talk to me and i wasn't playing ball, so he appeases me?
In post 235, Nachomamma8 wrote:nah.In post 188, Syryana wrote:You haven't done anything for me to get paranoid about, except where you're calling fitz town
nah. if he just didn't feel like trolling, it would mean we weren't on the same page because he was being weird.
and he would say "sorry nacho i wanted to have a cool towngame". instead, he called me paranoid but took absolutely zero position on me and that was boring, lame, scummy. The trend towards easy lynches wasn't good. I didn't like the transitions from easy lynch to sheeping Tierce without real interactions with her like "you're so amazing, Tierce!" or "Tierce, I really wish you were scum but you aren't so we'll have to deal with being town together" etc to trolling with Nacho. None of it has a thought process, and is mostly him just adapting to new threats that come by (first Tierce, then me).
The easy lynches thing would be a good point later in the game; not at this point. MutleyIn post 263, Syryana wrote:Reading comprehension. I didn't call you paranoid; I said you hadn't done anything for me to be paranoid about.
In post 85, Syryana wrote:Worst post of the game thus far. Completely defeats the point of a pressure vote if you call it a pressure vote.Why aren't you voting Tierce then?In post 32, Mutleyddmc wrote:Scum here!!!! voting me cos I vote scum buddy!What about the interaction between Hana-san and fitz did you not like? Why?In post 42, Mutleyddmc wrote:I didnt like the interaction with having fitz. Decided she was scum then.
In post 86, Syryana wrote:Good callout.In post 60, Bert wrote:In post 38, Tierce wrote:My rather poor scum game would be stooping to a new low if I jumped on someone to protect a scumbuddy.
Why is Sakura Hana scum, Mutleyddmc?In post 39, Mutleyddmc wrote:Cos I decided she wasNever mind. He's not reaction testing.In post 63, Mutleyddmc wrote:Plus its early on. I have no idea who is scum.
In post 87, Syryana wrote:A quick look at his completed games also reveals that though he likes short posts (and trolling) he also scumhunts, which he has conspicuously not done here.In post 66, havingfitz wrote:So while I would admit Mutley has been a bit annoying in here, a quick look over some of his other games shows as no surprise....he likes short posts (but is capable of more thoughtful content) and he apparently likes to be annoying. And he's in the middle of a 5 person speed wagon that I predict has a scum or two on it.
If you believe there are a scum or two on the wagon, who are they and why?
I don't like[Mutleyddmc]because he's not doing anything to try to figure out anyone. I originally thought he might be trolling around reaction testing, but he's not doing anything with reactions, not asking questions, not really doing anything except making noise and dodging people's questions.
This is what concerns me--because you're not me, Syryana. I don't look at someone trolling and being useless and think it's acceptable because I'm allIn post 88, Syryana wrote:Lord'a mercy. So much to say, so little time. Hmm.
VOTE: Mutleyddmc
My Glade plug-in spoke to me in a loud voice when I got up this morning. Before it died it also mentioned Chenoan and havingfitz.
In post 54, Does Bo Know wrote:Why?In post 48, Mutleyddmc wrote:I meant I like pressure on myself!!
In post 55, Mutleyddmc wrote:Its fun DBK.
In post 61, Bert wrote:Why do you like giving one-liner replies??
"It's fun" will not suffice, sir!!!
In post 62, Mutleyddmc wrote:Its my way of life???
You never even gotIn post 63, Mutleyddmc wrote:Plus its early on. I have no idea who is scum.
disappointment incoming. sorry Tierce.
In post 475, Nachomamma8 wrote:It's from the game I linked earlier.In post 474, Mutleyddmc wrote:Where is that quote of chens Tierce. Is it from another game cos you are confusing me
And Tierce, that's all good and well, but I sort of hoped you'd bring something more interesting to the table. I guess I'll just keep reading your scumgames while I impatiently wait for Christmas morning... Don't bring me socks, Tierce. Bring me glory.
There's a double wallpost doing nothing more than attacking Mutley, with some bonus attacks in the third wallpost. That qualifies as an attack in my book, definitely. Discerning his reasons for the vote itself might be difficult because it's mostly bullshit.In post 477, Tierce wrote:But I don't think he "swung on it like a sledgehammer". I agree with him that it removes the pressure, but I don't think Syryana was calling Mutley scum from it?
Moved on before as in attacked a little bit before. You said "I'm uncomfortable with quickhammers", he immediately agreed and hopped the fuck off. He wasn't afraid of the speed of the wagon before, why would he be afraid of it just because you brought up a game he also remembers? It seems strange he'd forget something like that.In post 477, Tierce wrote:"Moved onto before" what? havingfitz was one of his suspects, Mutley was another, he was shifting wagons from L-1 to not L-1.
We trolled hard in Popcorn because we were excited as fuck for that game and hoping to roll scum so we could fight against the odds. In this game, we talked about how excited we were to play with Tierce and Tammy and Empire (who sucks), but the Syryana that entered the game was clearly all business. Scumgame is a little less trolly than his town game at the moment because the scumgame takes more work, so the fact that he lost that light-heartedness was a big nasty red flag.In post 477, Tierce wrote:He didn't open Zachyard with trolling, and other than Bert and you, I don't think this playerlist is the trolling/circlejerk kind. He started trolling with you because he admires and likes you and it was the opportunity he had. What do you mean by trolling "in the same way he could"?
yeah this point sucksIn post 477, Tierce wrote:Asking for you to explain your reads is not appeasement.
It was an easy lynch and an easy attack, and the one he intended to stay with until you got skeevy about quickhammers. Fitz, harder target, but he didn't go after him that hard, compared to that attack on Mutley.In post 477, Tierce wrote:The easy lynches thing would be a good point later in the game; not at this point. Mutley is an easy lynch (I believe I said so), but havingfitz isn't, and he changed from an easy lynch to a harder one.
You aren't voting Chen.In post 482, Mutleyddmc wrote:Everyone should be voting Chen
In post 447, Nachomamma8 wrote:One scumgame and suddenly Syryana can read Tierce in a couple days? And Tierce is fine with this?In post 263, Syryana wrote:It was a good wall. Besides, after Xylbot, I'm pretty confident I can get a read on you after a couple of Days.
Um... no.
Out of context. He was saying that havingfitz doing 'nothing' was the problem And considering your case in Post 235, I kind of agree with not bothering to defend himself until this point.In post 447, Nachomamma8 wrote:This is the majority of Syryana's responses to cases against him. "Nothing is going on, everything is fine here." That's a bunch of bullshit and it shows he's not responding to people who suspect him, he's just dismissing them. When was the last time Syryana actually defended himself? Fucking never.In post 263, Syryana wrote:I believe nothing is the problem.
There should be, especially if people are complaining about being kind of overwhelmed by the game. Focus on what you can--I would expect fitz to do it.In post 447, Nachomamma8 wrote:When people say that a wagon has scum on it and there aren't followup, that's not a huge deal. Is it?In post 263, Syryana wrote:You said the Mutley wagon had scum on it. You never followed up.
In post 447, Nachomamma8 wrote:Before he was trolling me, having a good time with me... now he has me and my partner pegged as scum. When did his read on me change?In post 263, Syryana wrote:And now I'm swinging the sledgehammer on your buddy fitz.That's funny since he's now touting a pretty strong scumread on me.In post 263, Syryana wrote:Reading comprehension. I didn't call you paranoid; I said you hadn't done anything for me to be paranoid about."Oh, you're making points? Not good enough."In post 263, Syryana wrote:I'm pretty disappointed with you, old boy. Trending towards easy lynches? Tierce threatening me? My posts don't have a thought process? Really now. If you're going to chainsawyour mate fitz, at least do it properly. This just won't do.
Where is Syryana's case on me? That I'm protecting fitz by attacking him?
Talk about something that "just won't do".
This is a terrible point. Why should he immediately be paranoid? I know that Syryana has/had a thing against people being too Town (on D1! That was ridiculous and I am still kind of annoyed, rrf), but I don't think that he should be immediately paranoid of Tammy because she made a wall he read as Town. Sheesh. The tinfoil kingdom isIn post 447, Nachomamma8 wrote:Never seen scum Tammy, zero paranoia.In post 314, Syryana wrote:No idea, never seen scum Tammy.In post 270, Nachomamma8 wrote:What didIn post 263, Syryana wrote:It was a good wall.[Tammy]put in the wall that she couldn't do as scum?
Wonderful.
He's blatantly sheeping me at this point while somehow calling you scum, I'll give you that.In post 447, Nachomamma8 wrote:Discrediting the arguments that apparently are so horrible but he hasn't tried very hard to actually debunk this whole damn game.In post 314, Syryana wrote:I defended myself against every accusation that had a basis in fact.
Uh... I was appallingly bad in Xylbot.In post 489, Mac wrote:Tierce WIFOMy post ("poor scum play" - maybe not WIFOM as much but potentially trying to throw everyone off the trail, if I recall correctly I think she was rather good in Xylbot? while this game & Xylbot may not be comparable in terms of set up I think I was still left impressed by her play in that game)
I have the tendency to attack the fuck out of people who know me when they throw out shitty cases. Sometimes I chuckle a bit because it's so paranoid, so town, but being dismissive doesn't seem like a natural response.In post 488, Tierce wrote:Out of context. He was saying that havingfitz doing 'nothing' was the problem And considering your case in Post 235, I kind of agree with not bothering to defend himself until this point.
It's the whole looking at the wall, declaring it town because wall and then not really having any reasoning or not really giving a shit on why it's town that got me. The walls weren't that impressive, that important, they were just there. Syryana isn't familiar enough with either of you to make a declaration like that.In post 488, Tierce wrote:This is a terrible point. Why should he immediately be paranoid? I know that Syryana has/had a thing against people being too Town (on D1! That was ridiculous and I am still kind of annoyed, rrf), but I don't think that he should be immediately paranoid of Tammy because she made a wall he read as Town. Sheesh. The tinfoil kingdom is mine, tyvm.
I'm considerably happier with what's been going on! I feel a lot better than I did about you 2 hours ago, and that's a great feeling because it means the dream is still alive. And if I can see you as town, I can see Rufflig as scum. I think that him going for the whole "town is going for easy lynches in fitz, Laz, and Chenoan" and then his first real suspect is... TSO threw up a lot of red flags (for not giving cases on his reads????). I think that his dismissal of Tammy's townread on me was strange because sure, I can fake emotions, but there was a lot more to get out of that series of posts than Tammy's townread on me. He's also interesting, considering he's given reads before he started reading, but no real reads afterwards.In post 494, Tierce wrote:Chenoan next. Nacho I hope you appreciate me doing this instead of Minecrafting.
I'm stumped here, though. Doesn't seem to make much sense to push a wagon on a buddy if you're not on it. He couldn't have known that Lazurial's push on Chenoan would just melt away when it met some pressure.In post 92, Syryana wrote:Lead on, Lazurial!In post 90, Lazurial wrote:@Syryana: I agree with the sporadic and irritating questions. I can't say whether he's town or scum, but I've got a better lead on Chenoan at the moment.
This bothers me, especially in light of the Double Day Unlimited game that Nacho linked. It's not something that Chenoan-Town resorts to--he's more capable than that, and I would expect him to have something more than that 130 posts after Syryana's question.In post 236, Chenoan wrote:Because you two are the only ones making sense.In post 99, Syryana wrote:If you have no idea what's going on, why/how do you have two town reads? What about my/DBK's play makes you town read us particularly?
Can you go point out the particular posts/reasons you find Mutley to be scummy?
To bus, or not to bus: that is the question:In post 239, Chenoan wrote:Kinda leaning town on Nacho a little bit based on the recent actual case against Syryana... but I dunno how seriously to take that case because so. much. trolling. But it seems really logical and town-oriented.
[...]
Slight scum lean of Syr based on Nacho's argument. My town read of him had slipped slightly as I read on. But. I dunno. This read is really weak. And too dependent on trusting my Nacho read which is also really weak.
In post 239, Chenoan wrote:TOWNISH
Tierce
Tammy
Does Bo Know
Nachomamma8
awestfie
dragonfly
Sakura Hana
Syryana
Mutleyddmc
havingfitz
Lazurial
SCUMMISH
[...]
But something about the fitz wagon feels really off.
?
See tone below.In post 336, Chenoan wrote:But apart from that most of your[Syryana's]defense is just being dismissive and not actually countering anything.
In post 397, Syryana wrote:I liked Chenoan for scum at first cause I didn't like how he was blatantly stating he had no clue yet he was still voting and having reads. I asked him some things about it (don't remember if I got replies or not, must go see), but Laz seemed to be onto him too so I let him pursue it and concentrated on fitz. Then I got completely distracted by fitz/Nacho and missed Chenoan's responses. When you brought it up and I went back and checked,The Rufflig wrote:I believe that I can read Syryana fairly well since I've seen him as both town and scum. I thought that Syryana looked town in my initial read through. So, I wasn't looking at him that hard when I started digging into the game. Therefore, I was surprised to find something that I found questionable in his play. His encouragment of Chenoan's wagon without contributing to it struck me as being a little off.Chen's responsespretty much dissolved the scumread I had on him.
Nachomamma8 wrote:He's also interesting, considering he's given reads before he started reading, but no real reads afterwards.
