The MafiaScum Minecraft Thread - AllTheMods 9!!! - NEW Vanilla?

[blake5135]

.. to much worldgen?
but you added a whole new dimension, and where was it that Klaz/M wanted world gen in the world?

[fuzzybutternut]

Unfortunately, its too late for something like Natura to be even considered.

sorry.

I know. Lol.
It really is a cool mod, though, if only for aesthetic purposes.
and I don't even care about aesthetics.
Go figure.

Blake, adding a whole new dimension is a lot less of a hassle as opposed to adding OverWorldGen

[Maestro]

...wut? we added a whole new dimension...?

if you mean Twilight forest, we added that WHEN THE WORLD ORIGINALLY STARTED
we can't and won't add Natura or anything else that has that much worldgen now that the world already exists

[Maestro]

yeah, what dav said (fucking P-Edit)

[Oso]

Obviously, some things won't get brought to the community right off. WorldGen stuff I am guessing. Thanks to folks like me, Rob and Rhinox, a large number of the chunks near (and not so near) spawn have been genned already.

I'm guessing that anything that add WorldGen (or even RetroGen, a whole bunch of new items, ect, ect) would have to be exhaustively tested on an existing copy of the world as it stands at the time the mod is suggested. If it can't be done without breaking the world, it won't really matter that 100% of the player's want it. That is the main reason I haven't put up a hue and cry and to see if IC2 couldn't be included in the future. Too much work most likely and too likely to irreparably break the world.

[blake5135]

woah silly computer messing with words.

Sigh
Pretty sure Admins said no way when they started deciding on mods.
oh well

edit x2

[Maestro]

Well the main thing about re-adding IC2 would be that Klaz and I would most likely give izak every single opportunity to compat the fuck out of it with GregTech configs (e.g. we wouldn't allow IC2 to be re-added without AT LEAST adding GregTech on Normal Mode).

P-Edit: Blake, that's not even English...what are you trying to say?

[Maestro]

Just so you guys know, a lovely old-timer has returned to the Vanilla Server!

chesskid PMed Klaz a few minutes ago, and Klaz studiously forwarded him to me.
I've given him time to go build a Creeper Farm, and then he's going to TNT the entire server.

Yay! <3

[blake5135]

I edited my post M.

[izakthegoomba]

Natura was brought up, and dismissed by everyone pretty much immediately. Which I agree with, fwiw.

And I did "config the fuck out of" GregTech already and I was going to go into even more detail, but the reasons we dropped IC2 and it's addons had very little to do with GregTech.

[Oso]

Well, I don't know all the reasons, but as much as I liked (and still do) IC2, even I agree that UU Matter and the Mass Fabricator really had no business being in Minecraft to begin with. The Minium Stone is bad enough except that you really don't get something for nothing there like you basically do with the Mass fabricator. Just get things to basically 'change form' as it were.

[Maestro]

Gotcha, well I don't even remember Natura being brought up until after the world was already started, by which point any and all worldgen Mods were 100% out of the question for future additions to the Modpack

UNLESS

the entire community wanted a world restart at that point. Since the community has voted and said they do

NOT

want such a restart any time in the server's near future, we've dismissed the need to even discuss adding Natura and one or two other worldgen-heavy Mods that have been brought up.

Even I would like to add a worldgen Mod - and I think I have Klaz convinced already - but I'm having to hold off because of the community's decision to keep a more stable world. Which is awesome and fine! This is why we ask these things, and this is why we want input.

P-Edit: Indeed izak, but your original configs for GregTech had you forcing it into an almost nonexistent presence on-server. It was only there to add its content, not its limitations. I'm saying given the Admin Team's frustration with IC2's lack of balance and overpowered nature, I'd push for you to ditch the Easy Mode and do whatever you want to make IC2 as hard as you thought it should be. Starting with every UUM nerf you can think of (INCLUDING IRIDIUM).

P-Edit: Agreed, Oso. I love IC2 as well, but it's a ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced Mod, and even we have to admit this and account for its effect on server gameplay.

[izakthegoomba]

Also, the minium stone is temporary and EE3 is still in heavy development. The mass fabricator is supposed to be a finished feature.

PEdit: well when we had GregTech hard mode in the Mindcrack pack, everyone whined about it. Then Maru tried to change it - it got borked. I tried to fix it - people whined. Vanilla IC2 in DW20 - OVERPOWERED!!!!111!!!!1! I try to "fix" GregTech so we can actually use it - you guys throw the whole thing out. And now we've come all the way back to wanting GregTech hard mode with all the nerfs I can think of? Seriously? There's no pleasing you people.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I distinctly remember blake discussing natura way before the mod list was publicly discussed, maru or somebody said no and i do not rrmember being asked. That was before modder permissions were obtained and sent ro ftb! Because i would hVe sadi YES BUT NO INE ASKED. it was dismissed without ANY community input.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

IN IRC

[izakthegoomba]

Oh, and something scroo bought up when we were talking about the pack a couple of weeks ago - several Gregtech config options makes VANILLA minecraft dependent on it. Which would be fine if every single one of us loved IC2 and Gregtech, but that's obviously not the case.

PEdit: ETL, the vast majority of what went into the pack was largely without community input. Blame Maru.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

When it was first mentuoned that tinkers would be part of the new pack, blake said tinkers but not natura? And and the answer wasz pretty much "no we dont like it". None of us were asked on that, or reeally, any of the other mods in thepack, which is where it should have started. And to now say no we wont even think about it is ridiculous.

Why blame maru when the rest of you allowed it to go on? He gave you guys control over it.

[Maestro]

WE HERE AT THE NEW MODDED SERVER PROMISE TO GIVE YOU BETTER THAN THIS OBVIOUS OVERSIGHT UNDER THE OLD REGIME, THE MARUCHAN REGIME!

P-Edit: And by the time Maru "gave it to us and we allowed it to go on" we were at the point where we LITERALLY NEEDED to update the server. You all remember how much

EVERYBODY

was whining about crashes and lag near the end of DW20, and you say you would've wanted us to

WAIT

for community input on a single Mod that is (in one of it's supporters own words) "just about aesthetics"?

No, that's unacceptable. If you want a world restart JUST for Natura, go ahead and convince everybody - I'll have my own little pet Mod to introduce to discussion if that becomes a possibility.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Why would it need a rstart?

[izakthegoomba]

Why would it need a rstart?

Because of all the worldgen. We'd need a new world for it to work properly.

[Maestro]

...it adds more Worldgen than ExtraBiomes XL, which is our Worldgen Mod...

I thought you just said you trusted us to know more about what these Mods and to make the right decisions...

[Maestro]

Why would it need a rstart?

Because of all the worldgen. We'd need a new world for it to work

AT ALL

.

FTFY

[Maestro]

Just so you guys know, a lovely old-timer has returned to the Vanilla Server!

chesskid PMed Klaz a few minutes ago, and Klaz studiously forwarded him to me.
I've given him time to go build a Creeper Farm, and then he's going to TNT the entire server.

Yay! <3

I love how nobody acknowledged or reacted to this post at all... XD

[izakthegoomba]

Why blame maru when the rest of you allowed it to go on? He gave you guys control over it.

I don't know how Klaz and M felt about keeping it secret and not taking input on the pack until the end. I wanted it to be public from when I first heard about it, but Maru was both the host and the owner at that point, and he said we had to keep it quiet.

[izakthegoomba]

Just so you guys know, a lovely old-timer has returned to the Vanilla Server!

chesskid PMed Klaz a few minutes ago, and Klaz studiously forwarded him to me.
I've given him time to go build a Creeper Farm, and then he's going to TNT the entire server.

Yay! <3

I love how nobody acknowledged or reacted to this post at all... XD

I assumed you were joking. Don't we have a ban list? >_>