Mini 405 - GAME OVER on a Loveboat - THE SHIP GOES DOWN!

[Skruffs]

HOT DIGGETTY!
Y.C will be an interesting passenger, I'm sure.

Vote : wicked

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It's like 'handshaking' only with the threat of death behind it..
"Hallo, how are you, are you scum?" stuff like that.

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He is at that.
Hey, Lying Brian, I've played with Sprontalic before, and he's Scum. SCUM.
Why're you so interested in playing with SCUM, eh?

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Interesting. D.A.S. is a landlubber. Out to get your CLEGS, is that it?

And lying brian you lied twice ! You've been around for a year and five months, why would your database be only a month old?

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I don't think it was mine, I wasn't really asking that. I was explaining.
I'm suspicious? How? You should explain yourself instead of just saying stuff. >.>

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Oh. Well. ...
I can't refute that logic. Actutally, I should be use to it by now, I always come accross as 'odd' in the beginning of games. I can't explain it myself but I assure you, I'm harmless.

DAS, nice loaded question there.

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I have hesitations about this game, having just noticed the mods signature... "come and visit my under water world"... where exactly is the loveboat *heading*....

in other news...

@Skruffs
for not knowing that PookyTheMagicalBear is the longest name of all (at least in my database which is only 1 month old)

I ... don't... see how it can be read to mean it hasn't been updated in the last month... but it's not a big deal. I'll take your word for it. Let's not mention that name again, lest we summon the infernal beast >.>

I recently learned QFT means "Quoted for truth" and not "Quit F@%ing Talking" like I originally thought. Nice to be playing with you, Massive - when did you last play?

Not sure what to say about 1983's fishing, I guess I didn't see it as that but it's possible. I thought it was more 'WIFOMing himself' on the first page.

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Unvote

And how do you know he's a townie?

vote : Akbar

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That is definitely a stroke of ill-timing.

It's interesting that LB voted 1983 for 'fishing' and then while explaining why you are voting for LB, you kinda 'fished', yourself, a bit.

Then again, being on a boat, I guess that's to be expected!!

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Thanks kilmenator. Nice avatar, by the way.
For the record, I've only been playing on here for eight months or so. I've completed a few games, I'm in the twilight zone between newbie and experienced. Which sucks, because I'm experience enough to know I'm not very experienced at all.

I dunno if Akbar should be lynched for just that little comment buuuut.. if one scum just got caught badly defending another... we're still a good ways away from having to worry about that for now.

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no, that was in reference to massive's post.

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AC, traditionally, when I am in a situation where it looks like I am going to get lynched, I start asking questions and generating discussion. If you are in deed townie, than the way people react to what you say might help the rest of the townies later on. If you are scum, you can tell by who talks to you adn who avoids for you, sometimes, who is scum. I mean all a vanilla townie has is his wits and his vote. Are you a vanilla townie? I have no idea and I am not inferring that you are or are not. That's why I like to start games off with flavor, you can get a feel for people that way. Or at least I can. It can help if you end up in an endgame and you don't know which one is mafia and which one is townie and you have to choose. I hate that.

And yes, Akbar, I *POUNCED*! Actually I just noticed what massive said about 1983 'fishing' for my role, and then in your post, you kinda restarted that line of thinking, sayign that I was more likely not town or not vanilla. I guess I let the first one slide, but kinda took more notice of the second time.

Don't worry, though, my vote is fickle. I'll probaly be moving it to someone else when a better reason comes up. But I *am* noting the twin defense ploy.

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Well.. slack is one thing... but... scum are not getting off the hook. I don't think there's any such thing as an 'easy lynch'. And I think kil. is right about the mass claiming. Not just a bad idea, but a boring one, too. There is absolutely no reason for a vanilla to claim a vanilla, a power to claim a power, or a scum to claim a scum on day one. Especially not with a few votes on them.

Fussy : 1983

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Welcome aboard Fircoal.
*pokes Akbar with a stick*
Well, I guess you've defended yourself about as well as could be expected.

Unvote

No sense pushing it, for now.
1983 is a vanilla townie, I guess.
Lying Brian is going to be away for a few days.. darn. I think he needs more prodding over his reaction to Akbar's role-distribution defense. It struck me as.. panicky.
Though most things strike me the wrong way.
If something doesn't pop up, I'll probably root for a lurker. People hiding away in their cabins can be up to no good.

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MORE RUM PLZ
How did you get punished, david?

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I'm all about the stick pushing.
As I understand it, it's midterms week, and so all games are slow.

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Yes, exactly.
So... fishing here, but... are you scum, kilmenator?

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No, I'm not scum.
Y.C, are you scum?

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I dunno, massive.. are you afraid someone 's going to ask you if you are scum.. and you're going to say 'yes'? D: Because that would be a major slip up, and then you'd get lynched. Fo'. Real.

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Welcome lowell.
This is my first 'mini' game. My guess is there are 3 scum people. THat's average, right/ ANd how likely is it that there is a mafia group and an sk, or a man mafia and a vig?
Anyone with more experience of 12 player setups care to offer suggestions?

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I've *no* idea if Kilmenator is scum. If I knew, I wouldn't have asked. Kil says they are not, and until further (read : any) proof (or suggestion of proof) is suggested otherwise, I'm going to assume they are not. However, that assumption isn't enough to base suspicion on other players.

Lowell, are you scum? My role has no such truth-enforcement abilities, so feel free to lie if you need to hide something.

[Skruffs]

^.^ It's day one, Lowell. *everyone* is a vanilla townie, day one.
Who hasn't answered yet...
CHeesefan : Are you gouda or evil?

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cheesefan, i just realized your avatar is john lennon, not harry potter. v.v

Y.C give me something to defend myself against; a random vote isn't something I can conquer with logic or reason.

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Maxwell's Silver hammer might send the wrong message..
Hard Day's Night? More fitting after a successful lynch >.>
A little help from my friends? No way, suggests I'm a mason.. hmmm..
I am the walrus...? Goo goo g'joob.
I know! THe song stuck i nmy head more than any other...



Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout


Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me
Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real, and nothing to get hungabout
Strawberry Fields forever

No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low
That is you can't you know tune in but it's all right, that is I think it's not too bad

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oh gashdarnit
v.v

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I actually copy pasted the lyrics, but it's only because that way they are official lyrics rather than my version

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Unvote

Vote Wicked

*poke*

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Going to be gone for a good bit this weekend. Don't lynch me while I'm gone!!
1983, and LiarBriar are still worth perusing, for me.

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Wow. Now THAT is a wagon.

Two things that make me willing to vote you..
A) saying that the only thing you can determine is that we are random. If you were in here talking, wiwth us, you'd be able to discern a lot more, i think.
B) telling *us* to lynch someone. If you want someone lynched, build a case against someone. Telling everyone else to lynch is like asking us to do your dirty work for you; you are not saying you want to be involved in any way.

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Hrm. I'm back and all, but slow on the upkeep. I see that massive survived his near lynching..
I have to say.. shame on those of you who haven't played in newbie games. Even if you have played on other sites, or have played before, or whatnot, it's a general requirement to play in at least one newbie before joining other games. I'm still glad you guys are here, and all, but it *is* in the rules and you should have noticed that when you queued(?) up.

Y.C your mistake makes more sense.. I was wondering why you were FOSing the 3rd and 4th voters. You thought those were the 'final voters' though. Aight. Still, you voted him first, and like kilmenator kinda stated, everyone else who voted for him probably voted for the same reason you did; If you were not interested in a quick lynching, why did you cast your vote immediately against him?

Well, anyways...

Unvote : wicked

While I personally think wicked might be newb scum, I think that, as newb scum, she will be also more likely to 'out' herself in later days. No offense meant, wicked. ^.^

Cheezfan : Scary

massive : I'm not 100% convinced that he is scum, or not scum, but with his style of playing, he seems like the best lynch for the town, either way. He's playing recklessly, I don't know what role that would be most likely associated with. I guess he will let us know.

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What what? No no I meant, God, that the players shoudl read the rules of hte site before jumping in. Although such /inthusiasm.. *Watches as two votes zip by* is of course rewarding in any game.

I don't have five hours to wait, and while it could be said this is speedlynching (it is) if fircoal is willing to wait five hours and then vote him, I'm willing to just do it now. I think taht makes sense. It's jsut as likely that he's lurking as that he's AWOL

Vote : Massive

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Yeah.. well.. he's shown no interest in the game at all so far.. the antagonizing seems scummy to me. If he's scum, I'm sure I'll pay for it tonight, and if he isn't, I'll proably pay for it tommorrow.

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It's really hard to be the first one talking after a mislynch like that. Congradulations to the scum that seemed townish enough for the cultist to try and recruit them.
Plus side out of all this : the cult didn't get any recruits, so we only have one scum group.

Welcome to day 2 everyone.

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1983, fircoal?
This was probably the very very best situation that could have happened at night.
A) no more cult
B) no power role killed.
Woo.

I'm going to reread the end of the last day and get a feel for who seemed the most 'cleared'... ie cult-targetty. I *strongly doubt* that any cult would try to recruit someone who would be a big target the next day or was a big target the day before. I think lowell would have been a good 'target' for him, though, or kilmenator.

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Right - it's even indicated in the flavor text.
'Everyone knows that cults can only recruit fine, upstanding members of the community... One mistake and... *BANG*"

In some cases recruiting a doc or cop or vig would work, in other cases it would fail. In this case I'm guessing he tried to recruit a mafia. And I think the mafia are hte only scum group, considering the doctor couldn't prevent a kill.
(Although theoretically we could have an SK, it seems unwieldy to have three bad groups in a mini game)

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Well.. I will raise one point of interest... 1983 claimed a townie yesterday. He wasn't killed by the mafia.. and possibly could have been a target by the cult.
I don't really think cheesefan would have targetted me or Y.C, because being the final two lynchers of the good doctor, we are going to be under the most suspicious this morning.

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What do you mean, too smart to drop a hammer? I obviously hammered the freaking DOCTOR, how smart do I look right now?!

If you look, fircoal was going to wait 5 more hours. When I saw that I bumped it up; because massive had no interest in playing this game. Unlike everyone else on that wagon (which moved especially fast) , I posted reasons why I wanted to vote him a day or so earlier. He never responded. I posted a later post where I unvoted wicked. He didn't respond. I voted. He got lynched, and he STILL hasn't responded.He posted three times in this game and hasn't even posted a 'bah' yet. I'm pretty sure any good scum would have seen the prime oppurtunity in speed lynching someone who posts "LYNCH SOMEONE ALREADY"... and if massive had posted anything in the 2 days, 12 hours, and nine minutes it took for him to get lynched, things would have gone differently. Townies voted for him because they thought he was scum, and scum voted for him fast and early (With practically no reason) because it was an

easy lynch

.

DAS - you said absolutely nothing from before massive's post and his lynch. Nothing at all. So there's no way for anyone to be able to look at you and decide your alignment. It's good that you are here and posting but it's also kinda weird that you're around until this wagon starts, then poof! Gone, and now you're back pointing fingers. What was your opinion of massive?

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Lowell? Opinion?

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Oh Wonderful Mod

Could we get a prod on Lowell and LyingBrian? LB's been gone for 12 days, and was having computer troubles... Lowell's been gone for nine.
Wicked's on vacation until next friday. I know it's the weekend but it feels like everyone's jumping ship (har har)

DAS, personally, I think it's possible that you are scum. You were asking people yesterday if they thought akbar was scum. Nobody seemed to think so. Now Akbar is dead.

Plus, you haven't responded to my response to your initial attack against me. *prod*

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Lowell - I'm pretty sure he was lynched because he was acting scummy, not because he neede replacing. Him being idle *did* prevent him from keeping the town from

lynching

him, though.
If we do have 'bold scum' and townie followers, does that mean that the people who 'led the charge' against the doctor and didn't unvote later are probably more scummy than those who thought about it before makign their decision?

DAS -

I said I thought you could be scum. If I thought you were for sure, I would be voting you. I'm not, ergo it can be assumed I'm not sure. My suspicion on you is not from you FOSing Akbar - and I'm pretty sure I made that obvious; you are trying to avoid that.

You are saying YC should expect flack for being on the lynch, but you weren't any where near that wagon, at all. You didn't vote anyone, offer any defense or opinions at ALL about massive or who was voting him. Instead you kinda fussed it over with Akbar, and now today you are FOSing people who *Were* part of the mislynch? This is what is making me think you are scum; you deliberately avoided the imminent mislynchign of massive, so that you could point fingers the next day.


As for Akbar...I ONLY fosed him and I pointed this out. Had he survived I would have a friend as he was not on the Lynch....The fact you think im scum cuz I fosed, makes me laugh.

By your reasoning (Akbar not being on the lynch/thus being friend) LyingBrian, davidangelsummers, and fircoal are all cleared, because they did not lynch the doctor. Supposedly this means that everyone else on the lynch against massive are *not* your friends, however, you are not talking about them, you are only talking about the last two.

I have no problem voting you, myself.

Vote : Davidangelsummers

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It was dieing on it's ass because only three people were talking.
DAS - asking questions is *not* being manipulative. Saying "I tracked DAS to Akbar last night", THAT would be manipulative (because it would be lying. I didn't). All I'm trying to do is make sure we get a good lynch, and I intend to be thorough about it.
I'm asking you questions about your involvement/uninvolvement in what happened yesterday. I checked out the times and here's what happened:

Your need to run away deafens me with fear...You are a bigger dog..

LYNCH SOMEONE ALREADY!

It's a lynch!

why no finger pointing? doctor just got lyched and no-one seems to give a hoot...

I will take your word that you weren't around because it was a weekend.. That's kinda metagamey but you weren't around last weekend either so.. I guess it kind of makes sense. Your words still seem stilted with scumminess, but I don't think I've ever accurately hunted scum before.

Unvote

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Wow. Okay guys, come on. I know you guys want to say something, and I feel self concious when I'm every-other-posting.

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Maybe he's the depressed cop and say how great this strategy worked for the depressed doctor yesterday

WHen I first signed on I thought "Oh man, LYing BRian and Wicked, OBVIOUS Scum partners..." based on name alone. I'm liking how Lowell poofed again.
Kilmenator, wicked? If you were pro-town you would be posting... aren't you pro-town?
*lets his tears fall into the uncaring ocean*

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Wicked, I referred to your vacation earlier when I called for prods.. as you would have seen if you had been reading closely yourself
The accusations are from me doing the only thing I can do, seeing how people interacted day one and sking for explanations. If everyone was doing it, I wouldn't be sticking out like a sore thumb

LB - yeah I know it's ridiculous... that's why I said that was my first impression. If you want to quit the game, get replaced, don't give it to the scum with another mislynch / ruin it for your scum buddies.

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yowza... new zealand... *jealous*
I'll start asking people i know to replace in... this is a fun gamge.

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Hmmm.

Unvote

Vote : Fircoal

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Glad to see you have caught up, wicked.
Is there a set limit of votes I can make in one day, or is it because I am voting fircoal that you decided to vote for me?

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I will say that fircoal is the best lynch for the day. That is what I will say.

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wicked - you are right, I seem to be at the tip of everyone's voting fingers. But a random day two lynch is bad.

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LB - if I seem to be jumping around, it is because everyone else is taknig a siesta. Relatively speaking, I am hyper, but to me, everyone else is in sloooow moooootioooon. I know it's all of our vacations buuuut

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I've needled all the people who struck me as suspicious, and they all defended in turn. You've just been riding around on other people's backs and trying to stay low; which is why I'm putting the vote on you now. I'm sorry that I don't *know* who scum is - talking is the only way I can help bring them intot he light.

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I appreciate it, Y.C.

Now, I'm curious why LB didn't question a push for DAS but voted me for going after fircoal..

Wicked, for someone who votes based on suspicion and not on numbers, it was thoughtful for you to take that I wasn't close to a lynch, into account before voting. <3

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You want to no lynch when there is no doctor?
Will people be more talkativein the morning when more townies are dead?

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There's no such thing as a random lynch, first of all. If scum can't be found, than someone who is not helping the town can be lynched instead. If everyone who is posting is acting pretty pro town (note this does not mean getting along with everyone) , than someone who is lurking would be a good guess. But there's no such thing as a random lynch.

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I believe there is still three... Though I would have to go through to look at other games with cults. Because cults are mostly useless against mafia (especially in the beginning) and so easily found in smaller games (less targets), it's not uncommon to have a normal amount of mafia.

I probably am acting differently in this game; mostly because I extremely goofed up yesterday in participating in a speedlynch. I should've known better than that.
LB probably sees something (most of) the rest of us doesn't and wants to get to nolynch so someone can be silenced.

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HA!! SCUM!!! Scumscummityscumscum.
1983/fircoal/lyingbrian <--- scum, at least two of them. But which two?
I know I've already stepped on the wrong toes, I won't be making it through the night one way or another, but a no lynch is a Bad Idea.
And asking for evidence but not contributing opinions of your own is a scum tell. I read it somewhere. My bet is wholly on the cultist targetting one of fircoal/lyingbrian night one. Killing akbar half sets up DAS, and fircoal was all too eager to let me bring that out into the light the next day. Lying brian is just scummy.

Scum:
lyingbrian
1983
fircoal

Not scum
skruffs
kilmenator
yc
DAS

WIshy WAshy: (as scummy or not)
lowell
wicked

I'm excited.

[Skruffs]

You voted Y.C, DAS, Me, Novote, and then me again. You've claimed to have a no-read on 1983, said you'd like to be lynched twice, and basically have just been targetting who you think is the easiest lynch. You follow along when I start pressuring DAS, but when I move to fircoal suddenly I'm 'hopping around' liek a mexican jumping bean and I should be voted.

I honestly believe you and fircoal are definitely scum. Yes I have bounced around but I've been doing it for a reason - the only thing I have in this game is the ability of deduction and yes, *Everyone* has said I am jumping around, but while you all apaprently are only looking at me, I'm looking at everyone else, and this is what I see. So come on, give me one chance to redeem myself for yesterday and let's lynch either LyingBrian - who

wants

to be lynched and seems to be sloppily defending his scum buddies.

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A) lynching you will maybe get rid of gambitting scum, or mayeb get rid of someone who doesn't care who wins.
B) Mafia have no reason to kill someone who doesn't care, especially a claimed vanilla townie
C) There is no vig, so no other deaths.

Tommorrow is another day, and

if I am still around

, I'll save as much face as I have left. Causing too mislynches in a row, if that's what is going to happen, means I'll be an easy mislynch tomorrow. However - and I know there are other townies out there - if nobody has an alternative idea...

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The sudden push for it is scummy - it makes me feel like the mafia have figured out something and want to kill someone off. there's no doctor left so there's no way to avoid it. THe only way we can keep townies alive now is by accurately lynching, and no lynching is just making it that much closer to lynch or lose as townies (and power roles, if any) are plucked off at the mafia's discretion.

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Vote noted lowell

What kinda 'hunch' is it, Lowell? Is it similar to the one that made you vote for the doctor yesterday with no reason and then idle out the rest of the day?

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O.o
Not sure what to do with it Obv I become a huge target so if I die I will pass it along to someone else.

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About TCS - I don't want to get into metagaming here, but in Exile he delegated his vote to someone else but said he would be online to post his nominations... So that's not a proven fact - but good point!!

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TCS could very very easily be scum - wether he is scum, power role, or townie, he has absolutely no reason tosay "OH AND I'LL BE DOING MY NIGHT ACTION TONITE"
does he? It's just as likely he is scum trying to get comfy with a town in case i die tonight - to partially clear him tommorrowr - or maybe he just really does have faith in me.
If he is scum , his buddies will do it for him, if he is town, he doesn't want to reveal that.
LB you can relax, I'm not going to do anything with his vote without a majority of active town's approval. This is assuming the mod even wants to allow it.

LB - it's really hard for me to imagineg you aren't just badly gambitting. I Do not want to lynch another townie. I am very gullible. However, I think your sudden appearance, attack on me, etc, ties in a little too closely with the person i was last voting for basically a fairly weak reason - this makes me think even more that you are trying to pull votes away from them. THe whole "i don't really care, le sigh" attitude turned into attacks on me, and now it's 'by golly I *do* want to play", after you get called out on it. It's more fishy than if you had just kept playing dead.
It makes me think you were gambitting.
BTW is supposed to be : P but they come out funny on here

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I said I was gullible but my vote still stands, based on the actions you did before you decided you wanted to quit/play again.

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Y.C being gone will be the equivalent of Lowell being gone, L.B, unless the majority of remaining town tells me otherwise. I've never heard of someone asking a mod to force-unvote a lurker, before, I'm sure that's not what you are suggesting now.

The hell? I thought I voted him already. If I vote now, he'll be at -1. Not ready for that.

Look for the reasons further up on this page, but I do agree with you about your potential gambitting. If you saw you were caught in somethign stupid, you could have panicked and said "oh I was just attacking you because I don't really care.... but I *do* care, so give me a chance"... as a way to avoid dealing with the initial attack in the first place. I think you were just being sloppy scum, and if you turn out to be scum, that might lead to more scum. Personally I don't feel like I am in a little box, I think I see someone miming a box around themselves that doesn't really exist. There's no way to know, though.

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Sorry - Y.C was supposed to be TCS. TCS being gone vs Lowell 'here' but noncontributing. I did not mean to use Y.C's name in vain.

L.B -

However, I think your sudden appearance, attack on me, etc, ties in a little too closely with the person i was last voting for basically a fairly weak reason - this makes me think even more that you are trying to pull votes away from them.

Right on this page, too. Did you notice that fircoal - the person I am suggesting you were trying to protect - is not voting you? He was okay with jumping on almost every other wagon, but this one... naw.

Further, you say I am pushing your wagon on you - all I've done is state a case against you. The people who are voting you are voting you because of your own actions, I just put brought them to their attentions.

I don't see why you are asking me to compose my posts. I tend to get letters rearranged, however, I say what I mean - and if what I say causes misunderstanding, I correct myself and take responsibility for what I've done.
Do you?

Lastly, if you think me not voting you is scummalicious, than I will be happy to put you at -1 to show my conviction.

Vote : LyingBrian

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For the record - no oppurtunistic jumped on because we are pegging scum right now.

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See? Even Sailor Jerry thinks that lynching Lying Brian is better than a nolynch.

kilmenator - town has no ability to prevent a death. Do you really think letting scum kill off more townies is better than potentially killing one of them?

At this point I am fairly confident that LyingBrian is scum. I have no way to really prove it except with a noose. He's very persuasive and I have been tempted to unvote him several times, but this time I think I would rather stand behind my convictions, becuase I think they are good convictions.

So come on. Do it for akbar.

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The reason I am voting you is because of my LB/Fircoal scum theory. You made a distraction to avoid that and then used the distraction as your defense. Nobody else is really saying anything to counter it, though. Until a more definite or plausible scum is revealed, I am going to keep my vote on you. This boat is three quarters sunk already, it feels like. If you are scum, we might be able to unsink it.

Saying you are pro-town isn't helping town out at all right now. There's no way to protect you at night.

[Skruffs]

Guys, *please* do not vote without reason - I don't know if we are at LYLO or not.
IN C ASE WE ARE... let's talk first.. vote later. Please.

[Skruffs]

Kilmenator, Wicked, Fircoal, The Central Scrutinizer, what do you all think of each other?

[Skruffs]

I think it's best to assume we are at lylo right now.
The 25% rule says there are 3 scum in this game, but in a lot of minis, the cult recruiter doesn't count towards the scum total - which suggests a three person mafia group.
With three people, it's likely one of them is a god father, too.

I don't honestly see how anyoen can think I'm protown, I've been the cause of two mislynces. But thanks, wicked.

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You kind of echoed Wicked's thoughts there, only more detailed.
Mafia must be peeved that they got two townies on consecutive nights

Lowell's death is interesting, especially *because* he is such a lurker - you would think that mafia would be trying to kill really pro-town players. Or TCS, who proxied his vote, effectively making me a double voter for a while.

Or fircoal, who didn't contribute anything to the debate on lying brian, especially since lying brian was targetted by me as being fircoal's scum buddy.

Anyways, here's our vote counts at lynch:

Day One

massive

(7) -

Lowell

, kilmenator, ac1983fan, wicked,

Cheesefan

,

Y.C

.,

Skruffs

ac1983fan (2) -

LyingBrian

,

massive

not voting (3) -

Akbar

, DAS/TCS, fircoal

Day Two

LyingBrian

(5) - TCS, Y.C., wicked,

Skruffs

, kilmenator
The Central Scrutinizer (1) - Fircoal
Skruffs (1) -

Lowell

Not voting (2):

LyingBrian

,

ac1983fan

Let me explain the graph... people who are crossed out, are dead. Green people are those who were inspected on each night and came up Innocent.
Blue people are... obviously... police.

So three of kilmenator, wicked, TCS, and fircoal are scum. Unless YC or 1983 is a godfather. And three or two, anyways, depending on the cult's significance in the game. I don't know if TCS was distancing himself or not, by saying he thought it was kil and wicked, but I kind of agree. I also still think that fircoal was a likely cult recruitment n1, but that's a different story.

I had to push hard yesterday to avoid Y.C from being lynched. I also had to push for myself not to be lynched. I really had doubts about LyingBrian at the end, but it felt to me as though if I backed down, I was going to get lynched. I also tried to act scummy enough that the real scum would leave me alive - this became even more important after Massive got killed. Scum *never* kill a hammerer on a mislynch unless that person is cleared. Anyways, this is all to help explain my in game decisions so far.

I investigated Y.C the first night, first because I was apprehensive of him from another game in which I had him mislynched (sorry Y.C) and also because he had the third AND the -1 to lynch positions on the votecount. I chose 1983 for opposite reasons. Not voting, kind of low key, didn't seem suspicious. And didn't hit scum with him, either. (Though I am curious abuot his role, the flavoring of the inspection suggested something perverted??? Might just be flavoring)

Okay, I've claimed. There's no doctor to protect me tonight, so I have no reason not to share everything I know and my opinions on it. I get the impression someone already had an inkling that I was the cop, someone who is pro town, but I'm not going to push that.

[Skruffs]

Cracking this egg wide open, now.

Kil, I considered my sanity before posting to - the two people I've investigated are both still alive. Scroll back to the beginning of yesterday - one of the first things I said was defending Y.C. While there is the possibility I'm insane, it seems unbalanced, and there's no reason to believe that, yet. I'm not saying however that it's not possible.

TCS is easily clearable, because if there is a mafia dead in the morning, it will be from him. I'm the obvious mafia target so he should live through the night. Now we just have to worry about him being an SK.

[Skruffs]

OMG JESUS UNVOTE BEFORE SCUM QUICK LYNCHES

[Skruffs]

The Central Scrutinizer (1) - kilmenator
kilmenator (2) - wicked, 1983

I'm nto srue what to believe but 1983's logic is a little flawed - I'll hold up to it.
Kilmenator - you were fishing from Lowell day one, about a role - turned out to be ajoke. You also do post a good bit and offer your opinion, but for a while every post was "I'll contribute more tommorrow' and when you did contribute, it was more mirroring someone else.

However:

oops my bad,

unvote unvote, vote massive

hmmm seems only a scumster would want to make sure the vote count is right.....

I voted massive b/c of what he said, not how many votes he had.

This has bothered me since day one...

[Skruffs]

It didn't bother me enough at the time to warrant in-vestigation, but your post on the previous page reminded me of it.

[Skruffs]

I was giong to say.. kilmenator didn't seema s scummy as wicked and fircoal...
Shame. v.v Here's hoping it's not really the end.

[Skruffs]

Wait - who's the stupid townie, 1983 or wicked?
Rememebr my first vote about not voting early? The only chance we have now is if we have a role blocker AND a vig.

[Skruffs]

Well... if for some reason we actually have another night... maybe the claimed scum. I doubt it will happen, but, hey, I can *Dream*
that it wasn't a cop and a doc against three scum and a cult recruiter.
I can dream.

[Skruffs]

Well, let's see... 12-5=7, assuming 3 scum, that's 4 town, and also assuming there's no big, we are in lylo.

I haaaate you 1983.. haaaaate....

[Skruffs]

For the record.. I was a cop, not a doctor

[Skruffs]

You were alive for a while there Lowell.
I thought cheez had picked fircoal because in a scumchat game he said that fircoal was his favorite scummer ever... this was a week or two after he had died. I didn't want to metagame though.

It was a fun game. 1983, you just had really bad luck, it's not like you voted for a cleared townie.

SJ - were you originally hopign for a cult win?

[Skruffs]

Sorry LB. I should have stayed with the initial attack on Fircoal.

[Skruffs]

I love cults, but they never last... not in any games i play in, anyways.
danceHello will return, again, I'm sure

[Skruffs]

Yay.
I really worried about that soft tell in the first place. I guess I don't have the subtlety down to quietly communicate it.

But no, roles should always be random - cheesefan, wicked, and fircoal all got power roles, and are I guess considered newbs.

This was also my first time ever, being endgamed.

[Skruffs]

The rest of the town can't be held responsible for one person playing scummily.. I don't blame Massive, but why make three posts, the last of which being "Lynch someone" with the knowledge you're not even going to check back?
He never even made a "Bah" post...


but obviously it was the town that lynched him's fault.

[Skruffs]

Why not take credit for it? All three scummers pushed for a massive lynch, even if they didn't vote for it.