Micro 205: Everybody's Being Watched Round 2 (Game Over)

[Malakittens]

/confirm

[Malakittens]

... SPOILER ALERT: SERIOUS VOTE COMING.!!#!!

VOTE: Egg

Over reaction much. There was nothing wrong with Dart's RVS post. Plus he ended up rolling scum his first game. It's a different aura than I'm getting from here.

[Malakittens]

I have never played with you so how would I know? I'll let you figure that out then.

I was talking about Dart8000. He rolled scum his first game as a newbie. I replaced into it and his RVS vote was because Lincolm mispelt 'Lincoln' as I started it has a different aura.

@SH:

I don't even know who you are so it's unnerving that you know who I am and how I play. Maybe I'm at a disadvantage here and I just don't like it.

[Malakittens]

Why hello there Telo and Beli. Nice to finally play together again!

Why aren't you asking me the same thing about Dart? It's reserved, but I'm reading him as town as of right now.

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The second part was towards TheGar.

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I would cry if this is a hydra of {Fery, Mollie & Nacho}

R really does sound like Mollie at times, but I don't think it's her.

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TG seems like the only one trying to pry it out, even then though it doesn't seem too bother him too much.

Nah, I just wanted to know why it was a bigger deal to TheGar than anything else in the thread.

I've only posted twice about it.
In fact, Egg, you've posted more about me posting about the hydra than I have posted about the hydra. We're 3 pages into the game and you've posted quite a lot of noise.
VOTE: Egg
Why don't you do something useful to town?

Why don't you answer my question?

opportunistic voting though. You just put someone at L-1.

UNVOTE: Egg

@Xeg:

How is egg your strongest town read yet you are voting him?

[Malakittens]

@Malakittens: Sorry, I didn't see it. You said you were getting a town vibe from dart, not a serious scum read. Why would I treat those two the same?

It's actually a serious town vibe. It's somewhat the same because I think someone is town while someone else thinks someone is scum. It's a very similar thing.

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No thoughts or anything Telo?

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I'm not really sure if the Telo vote makes sense coming from Dart

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Why was I town before and now suddenly null Baezu. Please do explain the changes.

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VOTE: Fuduzn

Still think slot is scum and Fuduzn hasn't changed that opinion

Fos Telo

For making assumptions on mafia motivations

I don't like all the 'FOS' Telo after she gained votes on her. This is the one I don't like the most though. >>

I also never liked the 180 of reads.

You also jumped on Fuduzn without him catching up and posting. You are all over the place.

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@Telo:

Yeah we didn't really play together since you were dead when I replaced in. I do feel from what I remember you are playing differently. I might want to go reread your posts there to make sure. I remember seeing something when reading that made you raise red flags over there and why I pinged you scum early on.

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I'm seeing Fuduzn as town. I need to watch Beli though he had me totally conflicted during Clue (until I gained a vig shot and used a fake dayvig test for reactions).

I need to recheck on the Telo thing, but I might have her leaning town afterwards. Dart also feels town.

Baezu feels scum, but I'm going to wait before I vote.

Don't really have a read on SH.

Something is still off regarding Egg. Ping,ping the scumradar.

[Malakittens]

Welp.

Why hello there Mara. You lied so hard about the secret hydra.

His posts in felt town. He didn't sit and randomly jumped on a bandwagon. His thought process is well-thought out, etc. He obviously is scum-hunting.

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and why are you fency on so many People Mala?

I'm not 'fencesitty'.

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Cause you have like 18 freaking hydras

Want to give a reason for that vote?

No, I'm not. I have two nulls, a bunch of town reads and some scum reads or leaning scum reads. I'm not fence sitty.

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Talk lyk dat da whole game and Ill ignore ur ass.

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His posts in felt town. He didn't sit and randomly jumped on a bandwagon. His thought process is well-thought out, etc. He obviously is scum-hunting.

i thought scum try to scum-hunt as well as opposed to randomly jumping on bandwagons, silly me

mala loses points in my book for this, she's not that stupid

R~

Screw off.

I played with him before, have you?

[Malakittens]

His posts in felt town. He didn't sit and randomly jumped on a bandwagon. His thought process is well-thought out, etc. He obviously is scum-hunting.

i thought scum try to scum-hunt as well as opposed to randomly jumping on bandwagons, silly me

mala loses points in my book for this, she's not that stupid

R~

Screw off.

I played with him before, have you?

ooooh so now its meta!
and why exactly didnt you mention that in the first place?

R~

I never did say it was meta to begin with.

I think he's town based off the feel his posts gave. It looked like genuine scum hunting to me and it didn't look fake.

[Malakittens]

but didnt you just say that "youve played with him"? thats a meta reason.

R~

Nope still not a meta question.

I wanted to see which out of you played with him.

[Malakittens]

@jason: going V/LA until Tuesday night

Ill answer questions after I get off from work and before I leave

[Malakittens]

Promise ill be caught up tomorrow.

[Malakittens]

Sorry I haven't been posting more - the last week has been hellish. Dart - I tend to agree with you on Beli. He seems to be somewhat defensive in his posts. He comes in, makes an accusation and disappears. I'd be willing to vote him tomorrow but for now I still feel Fud is scummier. Telo I'm on the fence about. Everyone else is townie for me atm.

You went floppy again. I'm scum before and now I'm town?

Plz plz plz

Explain

Your

Reads. Tia

[Malakittens]

I find it interesting that you have such an issue with my reads changing. You've posted more content and it seems town to me. I'm on my phone now but will quote posts once I get on my computer.

Egg why do you think Mala is scum?

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I posted barely anything since your last read list. In fact I admit I prod dodged most of it. I don't see that as a reason to town read me.

[Malakittens]

I find it interesting that you have such an issue with my reads changing. You've posted more content and it seems town to me. I'm on my phone now but will quote posts once I get on my computer.

Egg why do you think Mala is scum?

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I posted barely anything since your last read list. In fact I admit I prod dodged most of it. I don't see that as a reason to town read me.

So you think your play has been scummy and you're pointing it out? nice WIFOM.

Nice misrep.

No I don't see anything I have done as something that should be giving me a town read. I feel like you are pulling all these reads out of thin air and they are paper thin

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ty SH. That unvote may save you in the future.

I honestly think my conversation with Mala makes her seem more scummy. I'm willing to move my vote to her or telo.

Really now?

Stop 180'ing your reads like they are paper thin.

[Malakittens]

Guys Sorry to BREAK all of your hearts, but Telo is town. That is all. Ill also be around DL to avoid a NL happening.

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Mala, why is Telo town?

Telo, I usually will vote just about anyone who isn't confirmed town to avoid no lynch especially if they will probably suck up another lynch at some point anyway. Why give scum a free kill AND end up lynching the person we save that day later anyway? I accept that my reads aren't usually 100% perfect even though they are usually damn good so I can swallow my pride and vote a town read who other people have as scum if it is better for the town in the long run. So yeah, if fudu, hydra, or whoever is L-1 at deadline, I'll switch.

Bae and myself are the only people I absolutely refuse to vote at deadline.

She got a town PM.

This is so not her scum meta. This doesn't even remotely look like her play when she was scum.

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This fucking sucks.

To avoid a NL I need to hammer one of my stronger town reads.

Fuck sakes. I doubt anyone is around to switch votes around.

[Malakittens]

FuD

the only possible wagons are Telo, you or Beazu.

I didn't like Beazu's ate post, but I'm really scared to lynch him. I think I share the same thing as SH.

I think to lynch you - It would require another vote past {SH, Me} which might not be possible.

Which I will end up having to lynch Telo =(

[Malakittens]

I've never played with Telo as far as I can remember, so meta tells me nothing.

Even though you haven't doesn't mean other players haven't. I have played kinda with her. She might have been dead at the time I replaced in, but.. The posts seem so different.

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Also I'm usually sleeping two hours ago so I won't be here much longer.

Preview edit: ok, so you

might

have a good reason for that read if you are town. But that doesn't convince me at all because I have to take your word for it.

......... You are just a bundle of joy aren't you? If you think I'm scum then push for my lynch rather than sitting on your fingers doing nothing. Try and convince someone, anyone of it. Other wise you are just using an idle vote.

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Mala, what about an Egg lynch?

Do we have enough support for it?

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Could be but it's not. I put Baezu at L1 reluctantly, and switched because Xegar was a top suspect for me (if you look back I only unvoted when he replaced out). I gave Fudz a chance but others have explained his scumminess: lack of hunting, overly defensive, hydra fixation, insistance we dispose of our Xegar reads. Baezu I still suspect (why would I put him at L1 if we were buds?) but several players have been telling me it's a shit wagon. That kind of feedback is why I voiced suspicions/said I preferred not to jump to L1 immediately. Think what you will...but there's my reasons

Reasons for voting Fudz. I later added he was overly defensive...

Actually...no. Looking back the SH wagon does not interest me. I know that's a quick switch, but I realized it feels like a policy lynch for attracting too much attention/being a hydra. Admittedly some of the distractions caused by the hydra were their fault and were anti-town, but we can't afford to lynch them just for that. IMO.

And as much as I'd like to replace SH on my list with Egg or Mala, I won't. We don't have time for that? So I guess what I'm saying is (for me) it's Fudz or Telo with an emphasis on Fudz...

Clearly I've changed my tune. I'm realizing that causing all this noise and distraction is rather scummy. The indignation at people's anti-hydra/ghetto-speak comments could be scum finding a way to have excuses each time they find themselves in the spotlight.

I'm also aware Mala and Egg haven't posted yet, and while it's early....maybe they're tired from a night of evil plotting?

'tis is the truth. I'm so tired so I needed a cat nap. No seriously I was sleeping when Day opened and then went to work. My bad

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So I'm

kinda

pissed that we lynched Telo. Telo looked town to me off meta, but I do have to say SH/Telo argument had to come to a cease. None of that was helping anyone, but I didn't even see it as a tVt argument.

SH is tunneling yet again. >>

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@Dart8000..

Why the "am I not surprised" comment?

Why did you feel like there was going to be no one dying?

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@Baezu:

*sigh* at your post. Really just the beginning part of it. I want to call it fake, but I don't really see it as being fake. -__-

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Beli sums up my next feelings.

Uh, Beli.. I have caught people off the 'forgetting' about votes and they were scum. It's not a hard 100% scum tell, but it's pretty accurate in some cases.

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@Egg:

Why couldn't John or Baezu be scum on that wagon?

Your second sentence comes off really odd.

[Malakittens]

Why do you ask, Mala, did you expect there to be a night kill?

As Egg said, in this setup it would make sense for scum to no-kill. But you already know that...

I don't know what happened last night, I just know it was no surprise when we all lived through the night.

Depends on how ballsy the scum team is or if they expect a player with a PR to be strong.

I played in the last game of this setup AND I was scum.

Surprises for some people and others not so much, but yeah I expected a no kill also.

[Malakittens]

Beazu this might be beneficial to you.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ng_Watched

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I visited dart.

Beazu I had the same knee jerk reaction to egg's post, BUT if we claim our targets and the watcher actually used the ability he can confirmed who's lying by targets instead of outing. Making himself deadly when possibly going into a LyLo situation. We could potentially narrow suspects down after someone flips because we can PoE people off the claimed visits.

With that I need to go, so bye.

[Malakittens]

watcher actually used the ability he can confirmed who's lying by targets instead of outing

This would assume that 1.watcher actually used power 2.someone would have a reason to lie. If I were maf I'd just say who I visited. Why lie?

High chances they might have. Statically there's a chance he could maybe die Night 1. Depends on the scum team though.
Mafia would have a reason to lie. Take for instance last game; I had to lie in case the watcher used his power N1 because I did the NK whereas my partner didn't have too because he got a vanilla result for a role cop.
These name visits could result in finding mafia in a lie.

Beazu I had the same knee jerk reaction to egg's post, BUT if we claim our targets and the watcher actually used the ability he can confirmed who's lying by targets instead of outing. Making himself deadly when possibly going into a LyLo situation. We could potentially narrow suspects down after someone flips because we can PoE people off the claimed visits.

Haha, nope. The chance is simply way too low that the watcher would use his ability on N1.

Actually it's not.

No, if the scum didn't kill anyone they don't have to lie about who they visited so everyone will tell the truth and Watcher (assuming he did use his ability) learns nothing.

If scum tried to nightkill but the Doctor saved, claiming will only help scum determine who's the Doctor.

I'm concerned Mala and Egg are misleading with this strange strategy. It seems unlikely they're both scum, but if one of them is I'm actually leaning Mala because (again) it seems like she should know better.

Jo, why does the three-headedness of the Hydra change the fact that tunneling could be either town or scum?

Again wrong, mafia does have a reason to lie.

Not really because there is easily plausible multiple people visiting the same person.

Yes, I'm totally misleading, please lynch me. Now you flip your read on me just because I might know better. Both Egg and I played the same setup along with one head of the SH hydra. We all know better, but why not target Egg for the same thing?

B/c they shouldn't have the same tunneling mindset. They should be hunting, but instead they are not.

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Do you?

Yeah holding back is dumb.

Joh might be ant-town, but not anti-town as in scum.

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Why do you see Beazu as scum?

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I could see Dart being scum for the comment, but not sure. I think I need to think on it. I would think town would have posted it either way, but hey that's just me.

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probz not scum judging by the shitty wagon.

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Who's scum, Mala? I feel like I don't know your reads. Is there a reason for that? (Just checking.)

For me scum's Fudz, Shiny?, Egg?...definitely Baezu. What about you?

I played with Beli scum before. This doesnt feel like Beli scum. I think you're town.

I'm iffy on the hydra. I'm leaning scum on them.

I don't like Beazu at all.

I also do not like egg.

Fudz is meh.

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Mala, what did Belscum seem like before?

I still don't see Fuduscum by the way

For me scum's Fudz

Fudz is meh.

vote him goddamnit

R~

No and trying to use force won't happen either.

Sell me on it. Go on, I'm waiting.

[Malakittens]

Mala, what did Belscum seem like before?

I still don't see Fuduscum by the way

He might disagree with this, but really lurky and less scum-hunty. I had to do a fake dayvig reaction test and he failed horribly at it.

Mala, what did Belscum seem like before?

Quite opposite of that actually

I think I must have pissed off one of the heads on another game.

Hydra, vote egg with me and lets be friends.

Why are you doing this?

you know me well enough that I won't be swayed by this kinda stuff, especially when it comes to people I'm preeetttty sure is scum and my partners are less likely to swayed by this kind of buddying.

You also think that we are scum, so why are you asking us to be your friend this game?

(and, considering I slipped this game, you should know who I am)


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You know what? I'll bite. I'll vote fud with you. You seem to be really convinced that he's scum this game so I'll take your experience with him as good enough for me. Hey guys, let's vote fud today and if he flips town we can get SH tomorrow.

Does that work in terms of LYLO/MYLO? I'm really bad at calculating those things so please point out to me if a mislynch today will result in LYLO/MYLO tomorrow. Otherwise, I see no problems with it.

VOTE: Fuduzn

This post is bad. You should feel bad.

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Awesome! This game is finally coming together.

SH, Fud, you guys town! Heck, Johhog is prob town too.

Mala I could believe is scum but I've been suspecting egg ever since he tried to convince everyone to state who they tracked.

VOTE: Egg

Why don't you just say this "I don't have a clue who's scum, but ill vote anyone to save my ass"

You keep vote hopping and it's pissing me off to no end.

[Malakittens]

Ummm isn't self-voting against the rules?

Depends on the circumstances. I came pretty close to selfhammering as town in a Voidedmafia game and didn't get chewed out for it. If Bae genuinely thinks the suspicion on her is preventing the town from doing other scumhunting (as town) or actually thinks someone would quickhammer and end the day early (as scum) it would be defensible.

Pretty town question, though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mala

I have only played with townMala and she's usually more engaged in the game than this. I'll settle for SH, but under no circumstances will I vote Johhog or (now) Baezu, and it would take a hell of a good reason to make me vote FuDu.

This is wrong. I wasn't super engaged in the Clue game. For me lurking/being passive/not engaged is actually quite a null tell.

mala are you against an egg lynch?

R~

Nope. I still think he's scummy for Day 1 things.

[Malakittens]

This is wrong. I wasn't super engaged in the Clue game. For me lurking/being passive/not engaged is actually quite a null tell.

You were involved and perceptive enough that both Mollie and I percieved you as a significant threat.

Mainly Mollie really, but we lost, so I'm inclined to think I should have listened more.

Eh I'm always a threat because I'm unpredictable. That was then this is now, but my town game has started to flail, but so has my scum game.

Awesome! This game is finally coming together.

SH, Fud, you guys town! Heck, Johhog is prob town too.

Mala I could believe is scum but I've been suspecting egg ever since he tried to convince everyone to state who they tracked.

VOTE: Egg

Why don't you just say this "I don't have a clue who's scum, but ill vote anyone to save my ass"

You keep vote hopping and it's pissing me off to no end.

I don't really know who's scum, you're right. Only the scum know who they are. All I have is an educated guess. I'm using it to come up with conclusions.

I'm not willing to vote anyone to save my ass. I'm not willing to vote dart or SH or fud and my ass doesn't need saving.

Hi; my name is Beazu and I approve of these votes during Day 2.

Spoiler:

I think I must have pissed off one of the heads on another game.

Hydra, vote egg with me and lets be friends.

Why are you doing this?

you know me well enough that I won't be swayed by this kinda stuff, especially when it comes to people I'm preeetttty sure is scum and my partners are less likely to swayed by this kind of buddying.

You also think that we are scum, so why are you asking us to be your friend this game?

(and, considering I slipped this game, you should know who I am)


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You know what? I'll bite. I'll vote fud with you. You seem to be really convinced that he's scum this game so I'll take your experience with him as good enough for me. Hey guys, let's vote fud today and if he flips town we can get SH tomorrow.

Does that work in terms of LYLO/MYLO? I'm really bad at calculating those things so please point out to me if a mislynch today will result in LYLO/MYLO tomorrow. Otherwise, I see no problems with it.

VOTE: Fuduzn

I don't know, Baezu. I feel like my town game has not been strong, in the sense that I haven't been eliciting great reactions from people/feeling any strong hunches about people. But at least I'm trying my best (however poor that may be) to help town win.

You, however your "not strong" town game has been staunchly anti-town. You claimed early, quicklynched Telo...

It's already scummy that you survived the night after claiming,

and your "hint" in the morning that we had the Doctor to thank for the no-kill was far from subtle. What are you playing at? What's your goal? You say that this is your town game, but I looked very briefly at some of your other games and in your other games you seem much more aggressive/interested in others and seem more engaged/less plead-y.

That said I'm not ready to lynch you. Or Fudz, however scummy he may be.

I am concerned about Shiny, however. From the start they've been a distraction, and they don't seem to care. The fact that they can blame others for pestering them has worked, so far, as an excuse...

But looking back, when Telo was quicklynched: rather than let Telo answer my question about reads or even just say some final words, Shiny continues to engage her in anti-town banter. He's soooo sure she's scum that he's taunting her even as we tighten the noose.

That's scum-certainty, right there. Gloating, tunneling. And now with Fudz. It reeks of scum realizing they can get away with, basically, whatever they like. Two nights more to a win, after all.

We can lynch you tomorrow, Baezu. Or Egg or Mala or Fudz or whoever we decide is scum. Hopefully we decide correctly.

But today the scummiest of them all, despite a very good attempt at putting on a hunter's appearance...is Shiny Hydreigon, the three-headed hydra.

VOTE: Shiny Hydreigon

I just don't see how it could be anyone else.

I agree with you. I should not have survived the nightkill. I think the only reason they kept me alive is because I had such a poor d1 performance that scum was probably sure town would lynch me today. The only person who has a vote on me today is johhog but others have been fomenting my demise as well. I would look for scum in all of the people who have been pushing on me. I guarantee that mafia won't let me live much longer. In fact, they don't want you to know my flip bc that would give town a lot of info - better to keep me alive and continue the WIFOM.

Anyway, since I trust dart, I will sheep him and keep my vote there for the rest of the day. Sorry I'm not a better town player - every game I play I learn more and more and maybe one day I will be able to avoid getting lynched in all my town games.

VOTE: ShinyHydreigon

Thennnn all of a sudden ball comes out into Left field and you 180 your reads yet again, surprising is it not?

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Well Egg is lining up lynches - that's cool and along with a self vote. He's scum. I'd vote, but since Egg put himself at L-1 - I'd be hammering.

The fact thought egg is sitting at 4 votes with all the other wagons 1-1 is unnerving. Either Egg is mislynch bait or scum is busing the living hell out of him. I'd go with the latter than the former.

Going to announce this now, but starting Friday - I'll be V/LA until Tuesday morning. Since I'll be in the city - I won't exactly know how my phone access will be and I don't have a computer or anything.

[Malakittens]

Mala, why not just hammer?

BECAUSE IF YOU ARE TOWN SELF VOTING IS UTTERLY RETARDED AND IF YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE TRYING TO SELFVOTE TO KEEP THE IDENTITY OF YOUR BUDDY HIDDEN

i rather have your so called "buddy" hammer you instead

plus you trying to give yourself up to save bae is stupid unless you know his alignment (hint: you shouldn"t unless you are scum)

you are blatantly fishing which is dumb

[Malakittens]

I'm entirely not sure. If egg flips scum it's one of the two. I haven't figured it out yet. I keep waffling on it.

[Malakittens]

No, unless I'm blind he never claimed. He's panicked, but not claimed. If he's a PR then why did he self vote?

[Malakittens]

If he's a PR then why did he self vote?

Why would

anyone

town self-vote, except to avoid a NL?

Not sure, but both Egg/Beazu have self-voted this game. Does this above theory of yours mean they are both scum?

[Malakittens]

Yay. It's over.