Micro 205: Everybody's Being Watched Round 2 (Game Over)

[Dart8000]

/confirm \o/

[Dart8000]

Oh yea, user?
VOTE: xegarus
Also, what kind of name is Shiny Hydreigon? :p

[Dart8000]

Egg, your logic doesn't make much sense. If we followed that line of thinking once we find one scum we just look at who they never voted/mentioned and boom: town wins. I wish it were that easy...

Bel, do you always do what you're told? 0_o

[Dart8000]

It seems premature to look at a RVS vote and say that the two names mentioned in said post are most likely not scum if it turns out the person who mentioned them is. Moot since I'm clean, but your logic seems anti-town. And besides that my joke was funny.

:p

You may still be good Egg, though, time will tell...

I wanna see what Mala says

[Dart8000]

@SH
You think it's town Mala, why? And why follow her lead if she is? Doesn't mean she's right. What are your reasons.

@Egg, you seem predisposed towards hating hydras?

[Dart8000]

@Egg
Also, you seem to be making a lot of concrete conclusions about who is scum based on a flip that hasn't yet occurred?

[Dart8000]

Hydra speculation is anti-town, but I don't think it's inherently scummy to be curious.

Egg is odd. I'm leaning scum. His logic is all over the place. When people call him out on shadiness he changes tack and hopes we forget his previous behavior. That said, he generates discussion and seems at least

capable

of valuable observations.

Mala I know is good. And by good I mean dangerous. Nothing she's said screams scum to me, though. My gut says town but I'm scared to trust it.

The Gar, as people have said, seems less interested in finding scum than in discerning Hydra's identity. When called out on this behavior he lashes out. That says scum to me. Or perhaps just scum-hunting ADD.

Null on Telo, Bel. Well, not quite null on Bel...

@Bel, you're clever. I responded to you, initially, because I thought you were funny. And, it turns out, you are. You're good with words and seem smart. But I've yet to see you convincingly use that intelligence to hunt scum. Just sayin'

@Xegar, I unvoting you but the fact that you forgot your vote...even if it is just RVS...doesn't speak well of you. In my opinion, it means you don't care who gets lynched this first round so long as it's not you. And since suspicion isn't really on you, currently, you're chilling. Am I wrong?

UNVOTE: Xegar Others are scummier. That said, I could see Xegar as scumbuds with quite a few people...

VOTE: Xegar Never mind.

I forgot some folks, but this is enough for one post.

[Dart8000]

@X
Unneeded dramatics on my part I admit. My point was to call attention to a vote, like your own, that had been made in the early stages of the game and thus hadn't been given much thought. Why you? Don't you think forgetting your vote (on someone who's been the primary candidate for a lynching) is just the smallest bit weird?

And there are other people, lurkers, who I would like to draw out of the woodwork. But I'm voting for you, not them, and anyway I wouldn't really lump you in with the inactives. (A compliment but still...)

What do you think of TheGar?

@SH
Still Egg, SH? What do you think about TheGar following your vote?

[Dart8000]

I think I responded to all of those.
Except: Scumbuds = Egg, theGar, SH...anyone actually, you haven't had a serious scum read on anyone thus far that I can see.

[Dart8000]

UNVOTE: Xegarus
Sorry to see you go

[Dart8000]

VOTE: Telo
Because what gives?

[Dart8000]

I think it's likely X was scum but I want to give his replacement a fair chance. While we wait for a replacement I thought I'd focus my attention on the second most suspicious person. At the moment, that's Telo. Actually I think a scum team of Xegar/Telo makes good sense, at the moment

[Dart8000]

Xegar's still scum, far as I know, but til mine comes back into play I thought I'd sheep a cause that seemed convincing led by someone I (semi) trust(ed).

SH, . Why do you say scum-Mala and why should I trust you?

Telo your last few answers are

almost

convincing but not helpful in the least. Nobody knows anything for certain except scum, so what makes you the exception if not your scumminess?

[Dart8000]

Just realized I'm an illiterate sheep: Telo's voing Mala, not the other way 'round. Apologies, and wow I suck. I am curious, Telo, about your vote. I'd love an explanation.

Welcome, Fudz. You're scum, huh?

[Dart8000]

This Baezu wagon makes sense, he's been seeming like an opportunist..
I'm willing to buy what Telo's selling but ony for the moment. Egg is looking scummier but so is TheGar. Will look more in depth shortly.
UNVOTE: Telo
I'll have more to offer, reasons for my reads and a vote later on this evening

[Dart8000]

Scum = Baezu and Garantula. Can I vote twice? I really feel these two are scum.

Pages 4 & 5, Baezu gives reads with no reasons. When asked to elaborate she goes after Mala backs off, then turns to Garantula but to me it sounds like scumbanter. Then she makes her intentions known by hopping on the Fudz and Telo wagons, which until recently have been the primary wagons. To me it indicates she's hungry for a lynch.

Re: Garantula I have the same suspicions people have been mentioning since the beginning. I'm less certain, but I feel he's scum. The way he hopped on Egg wagon and then off when the wagon started to lose steam seems off. Then he jumped on the Telo wagon I started, and gave reasons that were nearly identical to my own. It could be a case of great minds think alike...or it could be scum.

Re: Telo, feeling she's town.

In short: Mala, Hydra, Bel, Telo, Fudz, Egg all seem town, though Fudz and Egg I'm less sure of. If Mala's scum I'm pissed.

Scum = Baezu and ??? (theGar)

I'm prepared to vote for Baezu, but am going to wait since that would put us one vote from a lynch.



What does everyone think?

[Dart8000]

It's not too many town reads, with a week left I think it's fair to narrow down my suspects a little. It's an evolving list, right now it's short which reflects the intensity with which I suspect my scum reads. It's not like I'm not still paying attention to what everyone else is saying. Do you think my list is wack?

I don't wanna put someone at L1 because there's a week left and I want to avoid a scum or well-meaning town quickhammer. We have an opportunity to discuss, let's take it. Why the rush Fudz?

[Dart8000]

All these people replacing in and out sucks. I do understand - shit happens and I may need to replace out of a game someday so I don't hold it against them - but still it makes it hard/difficult.

I stand by my Baezu read. Egg, your Mala vote is interesting and I'm going to go back and look at her posts with your comment in mind. That said, you aren't a solid townread for me by any means. And neither is SH. Why did their read on my change your vote? If they were scum they would be more confident with reads anyway...

[Dart8000]

Oh, and I know it's not a newbie game so hopefully we wouldn't get a quickhammer. But still. Seven days to go, I just don't think it's neccessary. Vote to come...later.

[Dart8000]

I feel Baezu's scum. For going after people and backing off too quickly, for picking the two most accessible wagons, for disappearing once suspicion started to fall on her...

Mala could be scum. She's less aggressive and confident, not that I have much/any experience with her. Something does seem off

RE: Fudz SH has a point

I know I said I'd vote, but right now I only feel comfortable voting for Baezu and don't want L1 just yet

Bel, what do you think? What would Satan do? :p

[Dart8000]

Fuck Satan. And fuck L1, VOTE: Baezu.

[Dart8000]

Why? You prefer we vote Mala? Or...

[Dart8000]

Your reasons for voting Fudz are similar to our reasons for voting Baezu. I do think his insistance we disregard his predecessor's content is way shady, tho. I could be concinced to switch but I don't like feeling like a constituent.

Me? If I'm the townie on that wagon... I hope not...would both scum really be on a shit wagon like that? What if its Baez/Fudz and Mala?

[Dart8000]

Oi, you're pissed he found scum? What kind of advantage are you talking about?

Egg, you mean Mala?

Could we get a votecount?

[Dart8000]

UNVOTE: Baezu
VOTE: Fudz
Seems more likely, his defensiveness seems to reinforce my Xegar read...but is Baezu even playing this game?

[Dart8000]

Could be but it's not. I put Baezu at L1 reluctantly, and switched because Xegar was a top suspect for me (if you look back I only unvoted when he replaced out). I gave Fudz a chance but others have explained his scumminess: lack of hunting, overly defensive, hydra fixation, insistance we dispose of our Xegar reads. Baezu I still suspect (why would I put him at L1 if we were buds?) but several players have been telling me it's a shit wagon. That kind of feedback is why I voiced suspicions/said I preferred not to jump to L1 immediately. Think what you will...but there's my reasons

[Dart8000]

Because it's early, because we have time left, because others hadn't weighed in on yet, because Baezu hasn't said boo for three(?) something pages...
Not so unreasonable.

[Dart8000]

Could Egg and SH please elaborate on why the Baezu wagon is shit?

Fudz, the end of your book might well be coming to a close and even if we don't lynch you anyone could die at night. If you're really town and are sitting on reads/hunting scum in some secret method...??? Share, please!

Scum-picks:
Baezu, Fudz, Telo(?)

Null:
Belisaurus, theGar's replacement

Town:
Egg, SH, Mala
(not sure if I'm reading them as town or just as strong players/influential...)

[Dart8000]

Not sure what to think of you anymore, Telo. Not that I ever did. I unfortunately have to agree with the sentiment that you always seem to have some excuse (too early, too racist, mid-development) for not sharing your reads. Maybe you're hunting scum in your own secret fashion, but until you share your conclusions with the rest of is it doesn't do much good. Right now you're seeming like a member of "the informed few" based on your interactions with people. I can appreciate calling out percieved racism, but you seem to keep finding stuff to fixate on as opposed to contributing to the scumhunt. A wordy way of saying, again, what gives?/be a team player.

Re: Baezu I still don't know. Her contribution level since I initially suspected her is so low it's hard to get a read. Still feeling off, though. I do feel Fudz could be scum but I'm detecting ego more than evil intent? In my (limited) experience ego has not equalled scum. May unvote soon, we'll see...

It seems if I were scum I would not be playing it how Telo and Fudz are, drawing attention to myself. I would instead shoot for Baezu and Beli's method, remaining just in the shadows but never inactive enough to be prodded.

SH and Egg are hunting scum, but SH in particular is constantly waylaid by accusations of racism and interest in the hydra heads. Not sure if they can help that fact, but it does make it harder to read their alignment consistantly. On top of being a hydra, I mean. That said they're not at the top of my list...

[Dart8000]

Do we get an extension if/when we get a replacement for theGar?
I'm drawing a blank. Egg, Fudz, Baezu and Telo all seem scummy to me...

[Dart8000]

I believe my vote is currently on you...

[Dart8000]

Those kind of questions, Baezu, make me wonder about you...

I like my vote where it is but am not confident. Baezu and Telo are (high) on my list of potential lynches, but Telo's away until Sunday and Baezu...are we ready to lynch Baezu, now, or are people still hesitant? When ISO's she seems innocent, but when ISO'd so does everyone else. And for all I know, at this point, it could be anyone.

After all this talk, I feel like we should lynch someone. Not to be scummy. I don't want to lose a chance to bag scum on Day 1. That said...

I'm prepared to unvote and go for Baezu, what do people think and why?

[Dart8000]

Yay, thanks JoHogg. A fresh voice/perspective. Even if they're scum...
Welcome!

[Dart8000]

Okay, well I think it's clear we've little to go on/no idea what we're doing. Which is common on Day 1, but still I wanna play this carefully.

I like my vote where it is, Fudz is grasping at straws to stay alive and it looks scummy. Others (Mala, SH, Egg, etc) seem to be avoiding scrutiny entirely. Well SH maybe not, but my point is I'm not feeling an intent to lynch these folks for whatever reason. Perhaps this is a bad thing.

Telo I don't get, she reads like Fudz for me and that's scum scum scummy.

Baezu I believe and theGar's replacement I am getting town feels from, which matches what others said they got from theGar.

Fudz and Telo are my top two, currently. SH and Beli: if they were scum I wouldn't be surprised. Beli's disinterest is neither reassuring nor incriminating, and SH...

I say we lynch Fudz, see how he flips and then reasses. I don't think a SH lynch would be antitown, I just wonder if there's enough time to get momentum going on it. I'd be tentatively willing. But first I'd like to hear from some others what they think of this new vote/development.

Obviously this is always the case, but from what I've gathered about this setup our lynching scum either tonight or tomorrow is vital. So. *thinks carefully*

[Dart8000]

Actually...no. Looking back the SH wagon does not interest me. I know that's a quick switch, but I realized it feels like a policy lynch for attracting too much attention/being a hydra. Admittedly some of the distractions caused by the hydra were their fault and were anti-town, but we can't afford to lynch them just for that. IMO.

And as much as I'd like to replace SH on my list with Egg or Mala, I won't. We don't have time for that? So I guess what I'm saying is (for me) it's Fudz or Telo with an emphasis on Fudz...

[Dart8000]

Outside of his racism and attention grabbing, do you think Hydra's scum? Out of SH and Egg who's more likely to be scum i your opinion?

[Dart8000]

Oi, why am I not surprised.
VOTE: Fudz
I visited Malakittens...

[Dart8000]

But wait...

UNVOTE: Fudz
VOTE: Shiny Hydreigon

Something's up, there and methinks it's anti-town. My Fudz vote I've explained, and he seems most obvious. However SH has seemed perfectly ok with derailing the game and following wagons/popular opinion and I think they're scum.

[Dart8000]

Could be but it's not. I put Baezu at L1 reluctantly, and switched because Xegar was a top suspect for me (if you look back I only unvoted when he replaced out). I gave Fudz a chance but others have explained his scumminess: lack of hunting, overly defensive, hydra fixation, insistance we dispose of our Xegar reads. Baezu I still suspect (why would I put him at L1 if we were buds?) but several players have been telling me it's a shit wagon. That kind of feedback is why I voiced suspicions/said I preferred not to jump to L1 immediately. Think what you will...but there's my reasons

Reasons for voting Fudz. I later added he was overly defensive...

Actually...no. Looking back the SH wagon does not interest me. I know that's a quick switch, but I realized it feels like a policy lynch for attracting too much attention/being a hydra. Admittedly some of the distractions caused by the hydra were their fault and were anti-town, but we can't afford to lynch them just for that. IMO.

And as much as I'd like to replace SH on my list with Egg or Mala, I won't. We don't have time for that? So I guess what I'm saying is (for me) it's Fudz or Telo with an emphasis on Fudz...

Clearly I've changed my tune. I'm realizing that causing all this noise and distraction is rather scummy. The indignation at people's anti-hydra/ghetto-speak comments could be scum finding a way to have excuses each time they find themselves in the spotlight.

I'm also aware Mala and Egg haven't posted yet, and while it's early....maybe they're tired from a night of evil plotting?

[Dart8000]

Why do you ask, Mala, did you expect there to be a night kill?

As Egg said, in this setup it would make sense for scum to no-kill. But you already know that...

I don't know what happened last night, I just know it was no surprise when we all lived through the night.

[Dart8000]

Hold on, is this really helpful? I know I started it, on a whim, but this could also be a way to out power roles. If scum tried to kill someone and that person was visited also by the Doctor....

Or if nobody used their abilities last night then nobody has to lie and it's a waste of time anyway?

I'm concerned that Egg should have known this, having played this game before...

Long story short, I'm not sure claiming of any sort is pro-town right now. We don't even know the watcher used their ability, and assuming scum no-killed (likely but not certain) we can hope they didn't....

Shiny is tunneling and despite what people say I feel like that's not a tell at all.

Hmm...

[Dart8000]

No, if the scum didn't kill anyone they don't have to lie about who they visited so everyone will tell the truth and Watcher (assuming he did use his ability) learns nothing.

If scum tried to nightkill but the Doctor saved, claiming will only help scum determine who's the Doctor.

I'm concerned Mala and Egg are misleading with this strange strategy. It seems unlikely they're both scum, but if one of them is I'm actually leaning Mala because (again) it seems like she should know better.

Jo, why does the three-headedness of the Hydra change the fact that tunneling could be either town or scum?

[Dart8000]

Okay, I see it now, let's claim. Now that half of us have done so maybe the rest should, too. The advantage claiming would give scum has already been given. Holding back now is anti-town, I think.

A Doctor is only endangered by a claim if they saved someone the Mafia was targeting for a night kill. Assuming that happened, a claim will endanger the Doctor but also clue them in to potential scum and absolutely help the Watcher.

What does SH think? Joh, are you willing? And Mala, what do you think of Joh not claiming??

[Dart8000]

Mala, I targeted you over Egg because I didm't get your strategy but it made sense coming from him. He's whimsical and round-about with strategy (it seems) where you give off a more direct and logical vibe. I hope that came out as a compliment to you both. While I hold to my concern for our Doctor, I also see how the risk might be worth it and (potentially) more beneficial for us than for them. I hope. Anway claiming seems like a good precedent to set.

[Dart8000]

It's a gamble. At this point there's been enough claiming (basically everyone) that it makes sense to finish it. Might out the Doc, but it also might clue the Doctor in if someone else targeted the person they saved. Or help the Watcher catch scum in a lie. Also, good precedent to set. If we start now, Doc and Watcher don't have to ask/push for it later and thus can avoid (potentially) clueing scum in to their identity/the fact that they used their ability the previous evening.

That's my two cents anyway. I don't see us lynching you for not claiming/do what you want, but I feel like at this point it helps town as much (if not moreso) than it helps scum.

[Dart8000]

Baezu, SH already claimed (they were stalking Fudz)

[Dart8000]

Oh I see, never mind. But I stand by what I said, and think we should move on. This discussion was neccessary and helpful, but eventually it's going to start distracting us from a lynch and endangering our PRs.

Up-to-date Reads:

Mala, Bel, Joh = Town

Egg = Tentative Town

Baezu, Fudz, SH = Scum

I've flip-flopped on Mala and Egg but ??? Shiny and Fudz I can't decipher. They could be bussing? Or??? Who knows. Baezu seems to speculate a lot and try very hard to be town. Also that fakeclaim last round. Or maybe it was real, but I feel like...it wasn't? Don't want to speculate too much (I definitely have thoughts) in case it was genuine, but also don't want to leave her alive just because she asked us to trust her and then have it be too late...

[Dart8000]

I just had a whole post about Power Roles and strategy, advantages to outing, etc...but it seemed anti-town so I deleted it.

I will say that I disagree with the assertion the Watcher is simply a VT once they've Watched. The threat of being Watched is important. I'm under no illusion that it will keep scum honest, but take the possibility away and I'm pretty sure scum will have a greater upper hand than they already do.

For Baezu, she seems to go with the crowd/follow the easy lynch. She softclaimed quite vehemently last round, then quickhammered Telo, then woke up this morning and thanks the Doctor. For what? Is she talking to herself? Trying to appear clueless? Dropping a hint?

The scummiest bit is her voting. Her desperation/thirst for survival/nervousness could line up with having a power role of some sort. I think it's more likely she's scum smart enough to simply be buying time.

Not prepared to vote, mainly because I don't want everyone to start claiming if that can be avoided, but I will do this:

UNVOTE: Shiny H

(for now...)

What about you, Mala? You're good at asking leading questions, but what do you think? Of Baezu/everything.

[Dart8000]

I mean it was basically just a discussion of different strategies we might employ, thoughts abouy potential doctor-situations, and then some potential night situations. I decided not to share it because ideally we're all thinking about those strategies/I didn't want to help scum out more than I have to. I could still post it if the majoity wants me to, but instead I think I'd rather lynch you or Fudz or (maybe) Shiny (instead)...

Egg is still a ??? in my book...

[Dart8000]

Do you have anything you want to say in response to what I said about you, Baezu? An explanation for your behavior?

Why Bel, Egg? He has been the least scrutinized/attention-grabbing player, which is suspicious but not enough on its own...

I can understand if we want to tread softly with Baezu and maybe try and get her scumbuddy, first, but my concern is her noncomittal claim saved her last round and it looks like it will again today. One more day of this and she's home free. Rather than mount a convincing defense she jumped straight to "but I have a power role maybe possibly" and that seems a wiser move for scum than it does for town. Nobody can counter claim because she didn't specify her role. And when everything else she does seems scummy (seriously, ISO her and look at her voting patterns/reads/talk) I'm disinclined to just trust that unvoting her might save our lives?? That said, if she's our Watcher we REALLY don't want her to claim so you can why I would be concerned with pressing her too hard. But she might be counting on our trepidation, so....

My phantom post that has everyone up in arms was basically just going over night scenarios. A Doctor can't be killed unless targeted by both Mafia, assuming the Doctor saves themself. They could, however, be rendered obsolete by the roleblocker. This wouldn't be so bad if the Watcher saw what was going on, but that presumes the Watcher hasn't already watched. And so on. It was a bunch of if-thens and possible scenarios. Basically by the end of it I had decided claiming for either of our Power Roles would be bad, obviously, but it might not be the end of the world if we had a claim from our Doctor. But it would still suck. So.

Was all of that anti-town? IDK. But I've realized we're running short on time and we have a tendency to get distracted with nitty-gritty stuff like this (at least I do) and I thought it might be better to focus on reads and scumhunting rather than go over hypotheticals.

[Dart8000]

The balance comes because if scum no-killed Watcher learns nothing.

Except maybe who's Doctor, if they visited themselves...??

[Dart8000]

Not sure Bel is scum.

Looking over his posts, they seem to contain genuine scum hunting. He takes what people say, analyzes it, and overall seems pro-town. I hesitate to say this about people, in case they flip and make me look stupid, but he really doesn't read as scum to me.

[Dart8000]

Who's scum, Mala? I feel like I don't know your reads. Is there a reason for that? (Just checking.)

For me scum's Fudz, Shiny?, Egg?...definitely Baezu. What about you?

[Dart8000]

Egg looks town...or does he? Saying there's a scum on D1 mislynch....maybe it's him??

He seems lackadaisical/not worried about finding scum. His reads are semi-consistant, but lack conviction (and yeah, okay, now I'm just grasping at straws...but I am serious)

Why no Fudz, Egg? Explain to me again? And re: Hydra you've been back and forth (as have we all) but what's your current opinion?

[Dart8000]

I don't know, Baezu. I feel like my town game has not been strong, in the sense that I haven't been eliciting great reactions from people/feeling any strong hunches about people. But at least I'm trying my best (however poor that may be) to help town win.

You, however your "not strong" town game has been staunchly anti-town. You claimed early, quicklynched Telo...

It's already scummy that you survived the night after claiming, and your "hint" in the morning that we had the Doctor to thank for the no-kill was far from subtle. What are you playing at? What's your goal? You say that this is your town game, but I looked very briefly at some of your other games and in your other games you seem much more aggressive/interested in others and seem more engaged/less plead-y.

That said I'm not ready to lynch you. Or Fudz, however scummy he may be.

I am concerned about Shiny, however. From the start they've been a distraction, and they don't seem to care. The fact that they can blame others for pestering them has worked, so far, as an excuse...

But looking back, when Telo was quicklynched: rather than let Telo answer my question about reads or even just say some final words, Shiny continues to engage her in anti-town banter. He's soooo sure she's scum that he's taunting her even as we tighten the noose.

That's scum-certainty, right there. Gloating, tunneling. And now with Fudz. It reeks of scum realizing they can get away with, basically, whatever they like. Two nights more to a win, after all.

We can lynch you tomorrow, Baezu. Or Egg or Mala or Fudz or whoever we decide is scum. Hopefully we decide correctly.

But today the scummiest of them all, despite a very good attempt at putting on a hunter's appearance...is Shiny Hydreigon, the three-headed hydra.

VOTE: Shiny Hydreigon

I just don't see how it could be anyone else.

[Dart8000]

Shiny, I do realize I'm voting you over Baezu and I don't like it but I want to give her one more round, at least. I think that's best.

You realize I have reasons for voting you, though, too? Unlike Baezu I can't read your meta - which, whatever, that's fine - and I've seen you hunt and it's with a certainty that's unnerving. Maybe you're town going after weak town: 1st Telo, then Fudz. I think it's more likely you're scum spinning confusion and picking the weak players off one by one.

Well?

[Dart8000]

I shouldn't have said weak. To be fair to Fudz he was dealt a shitty hand. But "easy target" is more the phrase I was looking for.

Sheeping...tunneling...not voting at all. Anything can be a tell. The way you tunnel says to me you're scum.

Confidence can be scummy, don't you think? Depending on the player, depending on why they're confident and what they're confident about. I feel like town would be testing the waters, adapting their reads, changing their tactic. You charge ahead, so sure (of a mislynch?) and so focused. Why, unless you're scum? Or rather, how?

I voted Telo, but I'm saying after she was lynched you kept badgering her about...things that were not relevent to the game/were not helpful to town.

[Dart8000]

What's our vote count?

[Dart8000]

Xeg being your predecessor who was a strong scumread for many and who left under questionable circumstances without bothering to defend himself

[Dart8000]

Not to change the subject, but you seem more opportunistic and scummy, Egg.
You've also flown pretty well under the radar, and your hunting has been...well it's less convincing than Bel's, certainly. The only thing that doesn't match up is your defense of Fudz, but I guess you had to be defensive of somebody...
Still, your logic and assumptions and wonky reasoning are all starting to point towards scum.

Hydra's response to the votes/pressure is looking semi-town...

[Dart8000]

But if she's Watcher we could be screwed.
What if we lynch scum tonight (Egg or Shiny or Fudz or somebody) and then tomorrow she can claim and we can lynch her/whatever. Give her one more chance to use her power.
If she's town PR we run the risk of roleblock or kill tonight, but also the chance she'll watch or save/otherwise be helpful. Claiming today makes her death almost certain, though. (Assuming she's town)
I don't believe her, really, but I feel like it makes logical sense to let her live on more night just in case.
Even if she's scum, and she fake claims, there likely will be a counterclaim and then we've outed our PR anyway.
Right?
Wheras if we let her live until tomorrow we give her (or our incognito watcher/Doc) one more chance and will have (hypothetically) confirmed scum in Baezu. If there's a no-kill or our watcher can't tell us what happened becuase they were blocked or watched last night...that's where the danger lies.

[Dart8000]

Ummm isn't self-voting against the rules? I don't feel good about any of this, but I will UNVOTE: Shiny (ugh, again...) and am considering voting Egg...once we get a vote count.

Fudz is a self-vote all it takes to convince you?

[Dart8000]

My concern is that all my top scumreads are on the Egg wagon, which I was keen to join but now...

They can't all be scum, but some of them must be...I have no idea who's scum, at this point...

[Dart8000]

Possible, but I feel like it's more likely one of the two and not both. Baezu can wait, but I hope she's not Roleblocker...

Fudz, what about that makes no sense to you?

Mala...idk what to say about Mala, I get the sense that she doesn't really care...

[Dart8000]

Umm yeah I'm confused about this, Egg.
The only thing I can think is...yeah IDK what I think.
Was leaning towards Hydra for how quick they jumped on Egg when I said I'd vote him but this "giving up" thing does not become you...

[Dart8000]

Well he put himself there but if I was nervous he might be innocent before...now I just think he's scum.
L-1, I'll hammer...doesn't that merit a claim?

[Dart8000]

I feel...
I could go for Egg or Shiny, but since Egg is at L1 and is acting all shady about it...
Why do you want to die so bad, Egg? Being unable to handle the pressure is way shady.
Thinking /hoping we maybe caught scum, will hammer shortly. Any last words/thoughts before night?

[Dart8000]

VOTE: Egg
Sorry if you're innocent, bro, good game if you're scum.
See you in the morning everyone! ...hopefully.

[Dart8000]

Okay. Even if he's lying we can get him next round ^^
VOTE: Mala
I had a feeling it was either Mala or Baezu...
No quicklynch, please, everybody...I do wanna see what Mala has to say...

[Dart8000]

I mean the only way this could result in a loss is if Bel is town and lying, but why would he?
If he's scum, next round it's (assumably) four alive with three to lynch. But I don't think he's scum - why would he play the fakeclaim card now, especialy when it ensures his demise tomorrow.

Naw, I think he's telling the truth. Glad we got Egg, by the way, everyone. Good job on that. ^^
Anyway I guess there's no real need to wait for a hanmer, except politeness...


But good game, everyone!
...

[Dart8000]

It was ballsy to wait until night three, good move. The devil gives good advice, eh?
I almost visited Johog, too...
Baezu who'd you save? (Sorry we didn't believe you!)

[Dart8000]

I will say this setup is really interesting. It assumes a lot, though, or I mean a lot hinges on the Watcher. For awhile there I felt like itcould go either way...

[Dart8000]

Shaheed's Law? Had to look that one up...I like your Wiki page, Belisarius

[Dart8000]

[font=][/font]Good game everyone Hope to see all of you again soon...

I like this setup and would play it again, but I do think it could be interesting to switch up some of the roles each game maybe...