Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

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VOTE: No Lynch
Best RVS vote ever, Discuss!

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mfw I realized I didn't bookmark this topic and I was like "Which game was it that I RVS'd No Lynch?" So yeah, don't see much info so far, but leaning town on awestfie for the reasons specified.
@jsmith1234: I dont think IC is an unfortunate role tbh, at least you don't have to worry about people suspecting you.

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at least you don't have to worry about people suspecting you.

except mutley

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leaning town on jsmith atm. Good post

>Leaning town on a clear

You clearly dont know mutley

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Anyway
VOTE: TheGreatOne
Getting slight scumvibes off this guy.

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Sorry, I didn't tag my earlier vote.

vote: JasonWazza

It was technically fine, bold works too.

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In the case of mutley, don't think it'll help at all without analyzing his voing patterns and having at least 1 scum flip.

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The way I see it is that IC is an optimal kill for mafia N1.

IC is the least optimal kill for mafia on N1, they are conf town... that's all they are, they can even buddy them and convince them during MyLo/LyLo to lynch town... the other PRs on the other hand, are way more dangerous due to their night actions which can screw up the mafia's plans.

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You are gonna tunnel and you don't invite me? you're really mean

P-Edit: I hope you arent counting Marathon games on that Bubba

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You might get a better idea by checking my Wiki, all my games are there not incuding Marathons, also off-site ones.

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I am not moving somewhere else? I'm still voting my gut scumread.

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And why does that bother you?

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Oh right, I forgot to add it because i also forgot to bookmark it >_>

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I do maybe? have you done anything about it before coming here and complaining I moved to another discussion? I'm not gonna wait the whole deadline for you to post before I start discussing with others.

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I did not. I didn't start this wagon either, I just joined it.

Why was this necessary?
VOTE: Bubbajack

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@Sakura I was talking to Jason.

That doesnt change my point

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Bubba: the point is, that it looks to me like you want to be dissasociated with the wagon, why?

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I put him at L-2, but I also talked against the wagon.

Oh dear me, now i want you more dead than ever.

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And that would be blue blood on your hands.

I can't be certain of that.

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So? Scum can easily say the same thing so... *shrug*

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And this is helping you prove your alignment how?

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So he's scum playing like a Jester, sounds logical, vote stays.

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Because scum should worry about the wagon.

Considering you're aware of this, you could be doing this as scum to look town.

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Jason using caps is a personality tell, not an anti-town tell, I disagree with Sounds of Music and his chainsaw-like defense has been noted (chainsaw-like because im still not sure whether he's scum or not), When did Jason use AtE?

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Here's a summary of bubba's reason for saying he's town: "I'm town"
Here's a summary of bubba's reasonings for saying mutley's scum "He thinks I'm scum"

Let's lynch Bubba and move on, ok? If he was town he would have done town actions already, it's funny how you keep trying to deflect attention towards the people in your wagon.

Anyone can say they are town, however only town will do town actions instead of saying "I'm town!"

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bubba: can you give me the scum motivation behind mutley explicitly saying "I would want to lynch the IC just for being useless?"

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SoM called you town for giving off a town tell in the whole lynch me crap and

easy

to fake scum emotion.

FTFY

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TGO: Again with that changing subject thing? Did you really expect me to fence sit on voting you and not comment on anything else why you decided to post?

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I looked at your ISO and this is the only question you asked me.

Anyway
VOTE: TheGreatOne
Getting slight scumvibes off this guy.

Why did you vote me and then move somewhere else?

Which I already replied, then you didnt ask anything and then said im ignoring you...

I think we got Scum #2 here guys.

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More like TGO chainsawing, see how he FOS'd all of Bubba's attackers.
Then he unvotes when bubba agrees with me.
This is getting too easy.

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That kind of alignment test sure looks like it sux i'd be amazed if it actually worked.

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Chainsawing (As in Chainsaw defense) is when a scum defends his scumbuddy by attaking his attackers.

And now I have to go, so I will continue my evidence finding later.

And what will you do to find that evidence? you seem to not be wanting to lift a finger yourself and let evidence come to you, coasting is a scumtell too you know.

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@sakura and havent Jason, and mutley done the same?

Nope, they've been pressuring and questioning their scumread, which is you, same thing I've done too, you on the other hand have done nothing of the sort except reacting, which is scummy.

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1. IC is

experience

hunting.

FTFY

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Coasting, is doing nothing and just looking at what everyone else is doing, like watching from the coastlines and saying "oh yeah i agree with this, oh yeah i agree with that", since you don't need to give your own vision or opinion it's scummy, as you're denying town information.

FTFY means Fixed that for you.

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Scumhunting: Any action taken by town that makes it more likely for town to find scum.

I haven't seen jsmith1234 do this, he's only advocating policy lynch (experience?) and saying that he thinks someone's scum because -reasons-.

Neither of these are scumhunting.

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I'd personally prefer to lynch between Mutley and fuzzy

So this is not commiting yourself to a scumread?

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"I want to lynch these 2 even tho I don't think they are scummy"

Now I see why they want you dead even if you're the IC.

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Except that's not what you said earlier bubba, you said their reasons were to discredit the IC, not to get him dead.

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TGO: For starters what do you think about what's going on atm?, Do you agree?, Why? What are you gonna do to find scum? Why arent you scumhunting?

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hi ns, hope you've read
VOTE: Saki
that was a terrible hammer

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I don't know how you went from "Ignore bubba" to "ok he's scum LET'S HAMMER"

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You had all night to read it tho.

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Does no one else see anything wrong with this?
Aug 13, 2013 2:28 pm: "Ignore Bubba"
Aug 13, 2013 2:54 pm: "I love Hammers!" *Hammers bubba*

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in the span of 30 minutes?

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Another question, why do you have to answer for him?

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Sakura, why do you hate the newb card

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5199106

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all saki does is fluff,

he

also loves hammering that's true too, but from his "ignore him" post i'd think he had a townread on him, otherwise he'd have more to comment, which is why im a little iffy on him hammering like nothing.

@jsmith: so are you gonna scumhunt or are you gonna shoot down other people's scumhunting because you disagree with the target of their questions.

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So you were really scum reading him?

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Even if he's town he wouldn't have helped much.

Well i can see that he didn't help at all, have you ISO'd the IC tho?

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he's doing worse than nothing actually.

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That reminds me, considering how bubba was acting he could've been the traitor in mafia's eyes, and i think we should FoS people that seemed like they wanted to save him but without interfering much.

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Sak why you no kill Tammy!!

Not this again... i already feel bad about that :<

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Also why didn't you BG Nacho

He was too busy saving the traitor from the vigilante.

Also ontopic:
VOTE: fuzz

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Actually no, if they hit the traitor they will know because he didnt die.

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So only 2 possible scenarios

Mafia -Shoot-> Traitor (1 shot BP is gone)
Mafia -RoleBlocked-X Target

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Doesn't scum know the traitor?

No, there was a mistake on equinox's stacking the deck where the scum knew the traitor when they werent supposed to.

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(not sure how to p-edit, sorry)

P-Edit (a.k.a preview edit) is when you make edits to your post after previewing it either by preview button or because people posted while you were typing. Other kinds of corrections just mark them as EBWODP/EBWOP: Edit by way of double post / edit by way of post.

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Scum doesnt choose the town PRs afaik? also there's 2 town PRs out only so far (Innocent Child and roleblocker) so there's still a chance of scum picking 0 powers.

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yeah, but we got 2 PRs by default and that's what we've seen.

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Seems like it's my fate to get prodded in stacking the deck games, hadn't posted as I hadn't seen anything that convinces me of moving my vote, sorry for not posting tho, im usually inactive during weekends (and i had the day off today)

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Yes, but i've been absent for saturday, sunday and monday on most of my games due to using my weekend to do other stuff.

In either case I still don't see any legit reason to not lynch the one that was roleblocked.

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VOTE: SoM

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jsmith1234 has not picked up his prod. Searching for a replacement for him.

Oh wow...

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Hi Maestro! Welcome!

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Ahhh so scum at least got 1 extra power!

So?

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So they didnt go the route of the last game

So?

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I did because he defended the scum and took a dive into setup speculation saying that scum didnt take any powers and stuff.

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Not only he was being a lurksack i found most of what he did like interfering with the scumhunting we were doing while he didnt do any himself, but I'm glad you're on that slot now, however we cant be sure scum didnt target him last night, a bodyguard died and i dont see why scum would have killed that person. Looks to me he probably died protecting someone, which could pretty much have been the RB.

Anyway roleblock on SoM doesnt help much until there's 1 scum left, yes he could be either the traitor, or the scum used a power to recruit the traitor, in either case having a NK and a RB doesnt exactly clear them.

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I just realized that i skipped over #600 and read #601 and replied to that, and then posted my own thoughts towards TGO

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Maestro, what are your reads so far and why?

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If scum night kills you, your reads were most probably correct based on what you mentioned earlier, if they dont then they might have been wrong. Now that i said this it's probably useless to analyze it that way but hey!

Why are reads useless tho? Is it in general or just for this game, and why?

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UNVOTE:
So miss "I doubt scum took any powers" if what you say is true then scum took 2 powers, what then.

Don't think you should blame TGO, from his PoV you were calling him scum for claiming roleblocker and voting fuzzy, what else is he supposed to think about you?

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Is anyone else finding SoM's claim hard to believe

I am, but I normally believe claims unless CC'd.

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I'm not the mod but from how Stacking the Deck works, Daychat and recruiting the traitor count as powers that will give the town a PR too @Maestro.

Town has 2 + X PRs where X is the ammount of powers the scum took (max 3)

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Sorry but it is true, it only gives positive on the role mafia goon, if mafia got a PR you wont get a positive.

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On the plus side tho, if they recruited the traitor they have at least 1 goon, because they can only pick 3 powers, so they could get at most 2 PRs instead of goons, but the traitor would have become a mafia goon hence you'd get a positive on him.

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I'm a VT as well.

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Guess in the end it was a good thing i replaced out, I for the life of me wouldnt have ever figured out that scumteam.

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Pretty much

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Tho im p.sure if I had stayed Maestro would've hanged me anyways.