Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

[bubbajack8]

Oh my God. Fuzzys here.

VOTE: Ella

For for. I cant think of anything. Ah wait! For not having an Ella Enchanted reference

[bubbajack8]

NL = Clear dying.

GREAT PLAN

[bubbajack8]

leaning town on jsmith atm. Good post

>Leaning town on a clear

[bubbajack8]

leaning town on jsmith atm. Good post

>Leaning town on a clear

You clearly dont know mutley

clearly not.

Jsmith I get your understanding of wanting to lynch more experienced players first, but won't we lose insight as well. I'd hate to lynch an experienced player who's town when we could have him later.

Although I do agree that new players are easier to read, so I've taken the liberty to make this list of players based on games they HAVE played.

QWERTYUIOP: no completed games, actually his first game on site! Welcome to Mafia Scum Qwertyuiop!
jsmith1234: no completed games, actually his first game on site! Welcome to Mafia Scum Jsmith!
elleheathen: no completed games.
Sounds Of Music: no completed games.
The Great One: 2 games; 2 town.
anorway: 5 games; 3 town 2 scum (In one of his games he made an RVS and then was replaced out)
bubbajack8: 6 games; 5 town 1 scum
awestfie: 7 games; 5 town 2 scum
Mutleyddmc: 26 games; 18 town 6 scum 2 thirds
Sakura Hana: 29 games; 20 town 5 scum 4 thirds.
fuzzybutternut: 34 games; 26 town 7 scum 1 WW (Not including 3p Lylo where he was town 3 times, and scum once.)
JasonWazza: 49 games; 32 town 17 scum (Not including 3p Lylo where he was town once and scum 3 times.)

I don't know where I was going with this......

Concerning Jsmith's 61

And there are still the inevitable VTs whose votes can lynch mafia. But if it gets down to mylo and we don't have any offensive roles, then we are screwed.

[bubbajack8]

also UNVOTE:

Mutley, fuzzy, and SoM why are you on Jason?

@Sakura I am, they were a pain in the ass to figure out xD

@Fuzzy I went through everyone's posts looked at all their completed games and kept a tally of their alignment.

[bubbajack8]

@fuzzy i couldnt tell if some of them were done so i only used the ones with game over in the title.

@SoM i figured you were an alt!

VOTE: Jason

Its really weird for him to not be here, im curious what he thibks of all this though.

[bubbajack8]

Why not. L-2 isn't something to worry about.

[bubbajack8]

I did not. I didn't start this wagon either, I just joined it. It's all the clear's idea as outlined in post 36.

I did that off off going to your profile (:

UNVOTE:

Any insight now that you are here?

[bubbajack8]

I don't know if I'd say that based solely on that... but ok?

[bubbajack8]

Realness? I questioned jsmith. I had a reason for that post thing.

I was looking at who would be easier to read due to playing less games. However after sifting through 100+ games for hours, you tend to forget what you are doing. That was my mistake.

Hmm. I am curious, though, as to why our IC chose Jason over Myself. I'm just as experienced.

I think he did it by date joined not games played.

[bubbajack8]

Pro-Tip: Practice makes perfect. Experience matters.

Although I've heard Pro poker players don't like playing amateurs because they are so unpredictable. Same case? Meh I don't think so. As you pay Mafia you learn what people do and don't do as a alignment.

[bubbajack8]

That's pretty valid actually. You can play and not take anything in and learn nothing, observe nothing, but if you actually play and observe you might turn out to be good.

[bubbajack8]

A real vote to spark discussion! -_- And it was only L-2 I wouldn't put you at L-1 I'm not an idiot.

SO HOW DOES LYNCHING A PERSON WITH MORE EXPERIENCE HELP THE TOWN IF MY ALIGNMENT IS RANDOM?

Jsmith I get your understanding of wanting to lynch more experienced players first, but won't we lose insight as well. I'd hate to lynch an experienced player who's town when we could have him later.

[bubbajack8]

I never said to sheep the IC. Misrep. Maybe YOU are scum!

[bubbajack8]

No I did it for discussion. And I was starting to get it (See post 84)

And Jsmith had just said in 79 that he's not the best scumhunter. Do you really think I'm that much of an idiot to sheep him after that?

[bubbajack8]

Uh. Anorway, why are you self voting.

[bubbajack8]

@Sakura I was talking to Jason.

Anorway, I still dont like the idea. Besides Jason being wrong on me he still could be town.

[bubbajack8]

Is it just me or is bubba flailing a bit?

you said that last game you were in with me, and I was town. If you start wanting to death tunnel me again, please ask.

@Sakura I was talking to Jason.

That doesnt change my point

My post was it was in response to

Because i haven't had time and apparently no RL time means i deserve to be voted.

@Bubba: did you even look at my posting elsewhere?

I saw it as if he thought I started the wagon, so I told him I didn't

[bubbajack8]

I am. I ain't going to lie. I'm just saying, you better think before you death tunnel me.. It look like you were about to start.

I'm flailing because there's bullshit reasoning on the votes on me. Jason's doesn't make a like of sense if you read my ISO and Sakura's is just a WTF?

But Meh. There's nothing we can go on now. So I kinda want to take a wagon like a man, so we can get something out of the people on the wagon.

P:edit; Disassociated with the Jason wagon? No. I was on the wagon. I put him at L-2, but I also talked against the wagon.

[bubbajack8]

And that would be blue blood on your hands.

[bubbajack8]

And that would be blue blood on your hands.

I can't be certain of that.

but i can.

[bubbajack8]

I still can't believe fuzzy voting me, that surprises me cause he's played with me as town.

@Sakura: that they can. Won't know unless you actually try, or they flip.

[bubbajack8]

It's not. I don't give a shiz about helping my alignment. I somewhat want a wagon on me so we have SOMETHING to analyze, this game's running really slow.

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: elle Of the people on my wagon she seems to be just joining to fulfill my request. Instead of actually caring of alignment. That goes for anorway as well.

Why would you even claim right now, bubba? Unknown setup, Day 1, no pressure. Unless you're scum trying to either out our real PR's or because you don't think you'll be counter-claimed this early, I'm not getting it. Reasoning please?

I didn't claim?

That's really contradictory. Why did you join it, when you were against it?

Read my other posts, I already said to get conversation. I already said I was beginning to receive it.

So Bubba is scum.

The asking for votes is him going "how the fuck can i AtE the most to make myself look most town"

I've asked for votes as town, it's actually pretty normal for me....

Fuzzy can attest to that.

[bubbajack8]

I don't recall it being wrong the first time around. That's you assuming to paint me scummy.

[bubbajack8]

"If something's wrong the first time, and you don't change, you'll always be wrong."

You assumed it was wrong the first time around.

It's scummy to ask for votes because the games moving slow and TOWN needs something to base votes on? Really? Lmfao. If I get lynched I'll flip town and TOWN can look at who was on the wagon, (And I'd be primarily looking at you, elle, and anorway.)

That's scummy? to help town? Lol.

Because Scum won't go through with it, scum won't want to get lynched all the way.

In a theoretical situation where I was scum, I would say "Look at elle and anorway voting me because I said so and not because they think I'm scum, get off me and onto them."

But that's not what I said, I said my observations yes, but I didn't say "Everyone should vote them."

[bubbajack8]

And when I said I don't give a shiz about helping my alignment, it was in response to Sakura's post and should be read "I don't give a shiz about helping PROVE my alignment." As that is what she was talking about.

[bubbajack8]

WIFOM

You want to play catch let's go.

Why is it that scum can't just fake not being worried about the wagon.

Because scum should worry about the wagon. I'm legitamenlty not worried.

You are worried or you wouldn't have pointed anyone out, there's townies out here that can analyse your wagon later, but no you mentioned people.

What was the whole point of my wagon? Oh yeah so we had something to base things off. I gave who I think is scum, but as said above I didn't say to switch to them. -_-

You want to base votes on something?

FUCKING FIND SOMETHING SCUMMY AND VOTE IT, THAT'S HOW YOU GENERATE REAL CONTENT.

And the reason I'm voting elle is scummy behaviour. So I found something scummy and voted for it, thanks to me asking for votes. Yeah me!

Not this fucking bullshit you think is content.

If this isn't content why are you still commenting on it? ANd arguing it? Is this not looking at if I'm scum or not? This is content. Yet again Yeah me!

You want to help speed the game up?

Ask questions and prod people, don't go all "fuck it guys vote me lets end this shit"

As I said before L-2 is not something to worry about.... Unless you're scum.

How in fucks sake does that make the game content generate faster?

I think that there is a lot more content now. Is that untrue? The game has definately sped spud? up.

YOU ARE NOT BEING TOWN.

Oh but I am.

And when I said I don't give a shiz about helping my alignment, it was in response to Sakura's post and should be read "I don't give a shiz about helping PROVE my alignment." As that is what she was talking about.

WELL YOU MOTHERFUCKING SHOULD, IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU ARE A MISLYNCH, AND IF SO YOU ARE GOING AGAINST YOUR FUCKING WIN CONDITION BY NOT PROVING YOUR ALIGNMENT.

And yet I'm still helping town attempt to catch the mafia, (and I'm voting who I believe is scum) WHICH BY THE WAY IS MY WIN CONDITION! So ha!

[bubbajack8]

Also That last part of your post was an attempt to make me look worried about my wagon like scum would be worried. Trying to paint me scummy YET AGAIN.

@Sakura: I'm not Jester -_- I just don't give a F about being lynched, because ultimately it will help town when they realize I am town.

[bubbajack8]

Why would you even claim right now, bubba? Unknown setup, Day 1, no pressure. Unless you're scum trying to either out our real PR's or because you don't think you'll be counter-claimed this early, I'm not getting it. Reasoning please?

I didn't claim?

Oh so, this isn't you?:

And that would be blue blood on your hands.

My bad.

That's alignment. Not role.

VOTE: elle Of the people on my wagon she seems to be just joining to fulfill my request. Instead of actually caring of alignment. That goes for anorway as well.

Coming from:

I don't give a shiz about helping my alignment.

that carries a lot of weight, yo. Srs. Oh but wait:

And when I said I don't give a shiz about helping my alignment, it was in response to Sakura's post and should be read "I don't give a shiz about helping PROVE my alignment." As that is what she was talking about.

Good save.

Also, this:

VOTE: elle Of the people on my wagon she seems to be just joining to fulfill my request.

Misrep much? This might actually make sense if I hadn't specifically stated in the same post what it was that I found sketchy about you - and asked you to elaborate on.

Great analysis...

"Okay analyze away." Made me think it was litterally to fulfill my request. But I realize now that the first part of the post WAS your reasoning! And I'll apologize for not realizing that.

But the "scummy" thing I did was "claim" which I did not, and maybe that was why I thought it was pointless.

Anyway, I'm sorry elle.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: anorway then. His reasoning was "That's really contradictory. Why did you join it, when you were against it?" Which I had already explained.

Fuzzy, you of all people know I've done this as town, c'mon bro! I can't believe you right now. You're just gonna let me die? I mean I understand you don't like me and all but really, gonna lose a game for that? Wow brosiff.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not asking him to trust me. I'm confused. He knows my town play.

Jason fuzzy anorway?

[bubbajack8]

>bussing a town player. LOL.

Scum has to be on my wagon because I'm town.

Also if you believe I'm scum, why didn't you think I was painting fuzzy as my partner, or that he was my partner? Instead you think I'm trying to AtE my way out?

Maybe you aren't as good as everyone's made you out to be.

[bubbajack8]

Fuzzy is town for now, i can believe Anorway scum.

HENCE SCUM BUSSING YOUR SCUMMY ASS.

And If I flip town then what? Look at all the possibilities bro.

Also, your yet to convince your wagon that your town, JUST SAYING

I would just love to correct the fuck out of the grammar here (;

Also I'm not understanding this. Are you saying I should be convincing the people on my wagon I'm town? Hell they'll be convinced after the fact.

Can you answer me one question. Who's lurking?

[bubbajack8]

But if I convince you I'm town you'll think I'm trying to redirect your attention. And when I ask you a question you ignore it you've put me in a sticky (hehe) situation.

[bubbajack8]

I say you don't like me because you ALWAYS think I'm scum xD And I feel you're using that as an excuse for a free Mislynch.

[bubbajack8]

ANd you were wrong the first time around, what makes you not wrong this time?

[bubbajack8]

Statistics? What?

Cover up my own scumminess? What?

[bubbajack8]

This is our second game together? And I'm more likely? That's horseshit. I've only been scum once and that was a game I replaced into. I didn't replace into this game, so your fancy statistics say I'm town.

[bubbajack8]

I still don't see how but Ok.

[bubbajack8]

And that means what?

[bubbajack8]

@Sounds: how do you feel about Mutley putting me at L-1 with no reasoning?

@Mutley: Why did you put me at L-1?

[bubbajack8]

Jason, Mutley, and Sakura for scum 2014.

I mean really attacking the IC because he would like to have YOU lynched and calling him worthless? Thats scum behavior.

Jsmith, if you do go through my games youll notice I always get to L-2 the first day. And each and every time ive been town. The only time ive gotten past D1 with no pressure, was the game i replaced into as scum, and when i came in i was widely accepted as town even though people expected who i replaced.

[bubbajack8]

Thats bullshit. Attacking the IC instead of telling him nicely what hes doing is scummy. You literally just dont like him because he wants you lynched.

Did you read the post where he explained BOTH his votes. Its not "random"

I probably am. I dont care i find scum through unconventional ways, sue me.

Youre right fuzzy the IC is confirmed town. He shouldnt be so brutally attacked.

[bubbajack8]

You are the worst Innocent Child ever, but thank god you are or i would lynch the fucking shit out of you.

Pfft if you weren't the IC you'd be lynched by now. You are the most anti town here.

he is someone we can easily do without.

he is being worthless.

He is advocating a RANDOM LYNCH
He is advocating NO SCUMHUNTING
He pretends because he is confirmed town he is RIGHT.

That's brutally attacking imo.

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: mutley [/quote]

Anyone who thinks his scum is scum according to him.

See attacks at jsmith, and re-voting me.

[bubbajack8]

I shouldn't even have to defend the IC. He's fucking clear. And you all are treating him like trash. I'm not doing it for towncred, I'm DOING IT TO FIND SCUM. -_-

Screwed my vote tags up.

VOTE: mutley

[bubbajack8]

Actually not an OMGUS. I already had said I thought he was scummy. His was an OMGUS.

I don't care how piss poor the IC is playing you NEVER say "I hope you die tonight" or "I wish we could lynch you"

You can attack his reasons in a nice manner I don't care. Saying "I wish I could lynch the fuck out of you" instead of arguing your point with him, is scummy.

[bubbajack8]

Your intention seemed to go away with an unvote because SoM's post "made sense" And then I started accusing you, and all of a sudden I'm scum again. That's OMGUS.

Because it's idiotic, it's not town play at all. I'd rather be in a 3 way lylo with an IC then have to figure out which of the 2 people I think is scum. Saying you want him dead or policied isn't town.

[bubbajack8]

Also I notice you called me scum 2014. Luckily it's 2013 so I'm not scum yer?

Well if my intention was elsewhere I'd have voted elsewhere

Lmfao. I did fuck that up! I used to say 2012, and so I was like ok add a year. and I did 2014. lol. Although that's the next election year, so not bad.

although I kind of like SoM points so for now

UNVOTE:

The for now implies that it's only a short term thing.

Indeed it does.

In 202 I say I expect you for scum 2014 (Cause I'm a dumbass) Then all of a sudden in 212 you're "back to thinking bubba's scum"

You OMGUS'd me.

No one is saying policy lynch the guy.

Can we lynch the IC please just for stupidness?

That's a policy lynch.

[bubbajack8]

I didn't OMGUS him though that's the fucking point. IF I OMGUS'd him I'd be scummy. But I didn't! He did and I proved it. Read that tidbit and maybe you'll see how scummy Mutley is.

I'll be damned it is. Double oops.

I don't understand your post Mutley. You asked for a policy I don't care if you voted him or not, you asked.

[bubbajack8]

@Sakura: I'm not Jester -_- I just don't give a F about being lynched, because ultimately it will help town when they realize I am town.

This is really, really town and it is also something I would personally say as town and have trouble faking as scum

How is not caring about being lynched town? Shouldn't town want to avoid being lynched?

Scum wants to avoid being lynched more then town. Town should only really care for 2 reasons. 1. They are a PR, 2. It's lylo/mylo.

But just to let you know actions speak louder than words. Analysing actions, then motivation for actions and words, then the words is the best process to finding scum

AKA ignore my words. I swear I'm not scum. Bullshit.

@Fuzzy are you saying I'm freaking out? Lol. I'm calm as a dove.

I'll reply to fuzzys other comment in a sec

[bubbajack8]

I don't care if I was accused for it being scummy or not. I'm not going to sit back and let someone say things that aren't true. If you want to believe I'm scum, fine believe it. I can't concrete change that except with a flip or report.

But to say I did something I didn't do? That's fucking ridiculous, and I'm going to show you.

[bubbajack8]

>I'm flailing. I've pointed someone out on scummy reasons, and I'm flailing. I'm scum hunting. But whatever. You are terrible at reading me fuzzy.

[bubbajack8]

You're words quite literally were "Can we lynch this guy for being stupid" That's calling for a PL.

Somebody else needs to start talking I'm tired of this scum 3 v 1 (Jason, mutley, fuzzy) FFS. Just sending me in circles and defending each other.

[bubbajack8]

you posed the question to see if anyone would agree. I'm not dumb. and I'm done with this 3v1.

[bubbajack8]

Let me just reply to this for the next hour.

Spoiler:

Me: Dude you literally said "Let's lynch the IC for being stupid"
Mutley: Judge me by my actions.
Me: I don't care you still suggested a PL.
Mutley: Those were my words as an emphasis, judge my actions.
Me: YOU POSED THE QUESTION TO SEE IF ANYONE AGREED.
Mutley: Are you saying I'm lying. Yeah sure I wanted the IC lynched D1.

Repeat from top.

Moral of the story: Mutley wants to be judged by his actions. And I'm trying to say his actions don't matter he still suggested it.

[bubbajack8]

Scumhunting = Town Actions. I've given reasons for Mutley being scum more then just "He thinks I'm scum."

[bubbajack8]

OMFG. I'm about to throw a FUCKING conniption.

You're just pissed I found you. I'm done talking to you. You've pissed me off way more then I should be. I'm tired of your bullshit. I'm tired of you saying something's invalid because it points to you. I'm tired of it..

With the above post, Fuck off. I'm tired of your attempt to fucking make anything I find useless just because it's on you. I'm fucking tired of it.

I'm no longer replying to Mutley, except to say Fuck off.

[bubbajack8]

bubba: can you give me the scum motivation behind mutley explicitly saying "I would want to lynch the IC just for being useless?"

He (And Jacob) Were attacking the IC, in an obvious attempt to discredit what he was saying.

He said no one said to lynch the IC, so I shoved his own comment in his face and he came up with that bullshit.

They also keep saying they want the IC dead, because then he can't accuse them either. It's all self preservation.

249 is to me you admitting you are scum. SoM called you town for giving off a town tell in the whole lynch me crap and hard to fake scum emotion. So you've gone overboard on it and tried to make it seem you are getting wound up over me being scum

To all 3 of your comments: Fuck Off.

[bubbajack8]

Fuck off.

Only stupid cause he's against you.

Fuck Off.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not saying conf town = right Jesus.

You can discredit arguments I don't care.

It's scummy to not care if a clear dies, because then all his future arguments automatically don't matter.

Now stop going in fucking circles.

[bubbajack8]

It won't help you Mr. scum

[bubbajack8]

I don't even know what that is. Sooo.

[bubbajack8]

I'm town though, so one of these things ain't like the others.

[bubbajack8]

[bubbajack8]

Can I get an outside perspective on this at all? Is 'blue blood' a typical reference for town alignment here? My initial response to this is pretty much 'OhfuckI'mdumb' but given what followed, I wouldn't mind hearing someone else's take on this. I don't think it'll matter much now because my read (to follow) is a bit stronger now than it was then but be good to know if only for future reference...

Blue = town
Red = mafia.

Sorry if that confused you.

I actually did attack Jason for it. He didn't run fucking circles with me. I told him it would have been better if he put it in a nicer way. Which you did in 76.

P:edit Those were Honest Pleas. I am town.

Clear = Mod cleared. I'm not clear. That was a stretch. Although you think like me so lol.

I have attempted to help. You people don't give a shit.

Yes you'll all get a Fuck you, told you so, Bah post.

P:edit 2 thank you jsmith.

[bubbajack8]

Sakura I think he's asking you to answer it now and then maybe he'll think about unvoting you.....

[bubbajack8]

This is gonna sound bad from a person at L-1 who just told Sakura to answer his question... But Go me!

1. I didn't look for a question, I was stating observation in first post.

2. Sorry TGO, I'm with Sakura on this one, I don't see it.

@fuzzy newb mudslinger beinng?

[bubbajack8]

So a misdirect for his scumbuddy (being me) right?

[bubbajack8]

I didn't say he was misdirecting. I said he was mudslinging.

Good.

since on EpicMafia, blue means "villager".

I'm from Epic Mafia, thats why I say blue. It can refer to the role Villager, or the alignment. Have you never been alignment tested in EpicMafia?

"Which starter pokemon is your favorite?"

"Charizard."

Scum.

"Squirtle"

Ok he's town.

"Bulbasaur"

"A third?"

Blue = town.
Red = mafia.
Green = Third.

Blue blood litterally means town blood.

[bubbajack8]

So a misdirect for his scumbuddy (being me) right?

Saying now while I'm here, this sounds a little bit like sarcasm.

It actually was a reaction test which fuzzy answered correctly.

Based on experience, the fact that he is being sarcastic shows that he thinks he is right about his views (of being part of town). It's pretty hard to believe your lies, considering you know they are lies.

VOTE: TGO

I'm even more with Sakura. Sakura notices you listening to what I say, and then you all of a sudden think I'm scum. Ha.

That could go either way. I could be Bubba's scumbuddy and, because of that, be helping him, or I could agree with his views and think his attackers are scummy.

Or you could be scum trying to paint yourself as my buddy because you know ill flip town.

[bubbajack8]

That kind of alignment test sure looks like it sux i'd be amazed if it actually worked.

THANK THE LORD! People use it all the time like it fucking means something and assume it to work, and people sheep on it, and then the game is lost.

@bubba: Well perhaps the terminology on the site has changed in the past 2 years, since I haven't played on there since then. Back when I played, blue was synonymous with the actual villager role, since their icon is a guy with a blue shirt. Regardless, I believe that you believe blue = town, so the whole "you claimed prematurely" argument doesn't seem to be applicable to you since I don't think you claimed when you said that blue line.

Yeah it usually refers to the role, and that's how most people know it. In sandbox where there is no villager, blue translates to town.

oops I forgot to add this to the above post

[bubbajack8]

UNVOTE:

My apologies I misread "Based on experience, the fact that he is being sarcastic shows that he thinks he is right about his views (of being part of town). It's pretty hard to believe your lies, considering you know they are lies."

To say "Based on experience, the fact that you are being sarcastic shows that you think you right about your views (of being part of town). It's pretty hard to believe your lies, considering you know they are lies."

The buddying stands. Scum inevitably know who town is, so if they buddy a town to the grave when he flips town, they could be accepted as town.

[bubbajack8]

I just realized how much of a gamble voting TGO was. He coulda hammered me right there. xD

[bubbajack8]

@sakura and havent Jason, and mutley done the same?

[bubbajack8]

And Attacking the IC because he accused them,

[bubbajack8]

Jasons i can understand. If you two would read you would see i did post scum motivation.

[bubbajack8]

omfg. Let me repeat myself 100 times.

1. IC is scumhunting.
2. Scum would want IC to die if he is right so that he can no longer tunnel that person.
3. Doesn't agree with you =/= useless.

[bubbajack8]

Fuck these circles. IVE SHOWN HOW HE IS SCUM HUNTING.

STOP WITH THE FUCKING CIRCLES JESUS CHRIST.

[bubbajack8]

Regarding bubba's actual scuminess, his more recent behavior is unfortunately countering the earlier towniness I was reading on him. Before he seemed like he really didn't care, but now he seems more flustered and offended. I was expecting at least a couple "you're going to see how wrong you are" or something similar in his most recent posts. Regardless, I'm not sold on him at all, and at least his posts are coherent and his arguments generally clear. That brings me to the following point.

Between Jason/Mutley/fuzzy, I'd personally prefer to lynch between Mutley and fuzzy. Though I think Jason's logic is flawed and his behavior isn't conducive to rational discussion, his posts/arguments provide more information on his thoughts than the other two. The other two's posts generally come across as "you're scum...keep flailing scum...that's so scummy...etc.". Their posts don't provide a clear picture of their thought process or argument, so I can't even judge their logic, because it's hardly been presented. If bubba does end up getting lynched and flips scum, I'd sooner think one of the 3 were bussing over them all being town.

The first part of this is scum hunting. He's trying to discern if I'm town or not.

The second CAN be seen as it, but you're right is stretching.

Unvote me or not idgaf.

[bubbajack8]

I have not said I think anyone is scum, Sakura.

THE IC IS ADMITING HE ISN'T SCUMHUNTING BUBBA, NOW WHAT YOU GONNA SAY?

He's admitted it before.

[bubbajack8]

I'm creating them. Hah. I say something and they point me right fucking back.

I agree we shouldn't lynch on experience. I made a post on that. I voted him for reactions. I was starting to get them.

Uh my reasons on Mutley, and Jason, is that they want the IC dead. They don't care. Mutley wanted to PL him (AND DONT YOU FUCKING CIRCLE ME MUTLEY.) and Jason said doc shouldn't be on him.

[bubbajack8]

Except that's not what you said earlier bubba, you said their reasons were to discredit the IC, not to get him dead.

Dead = All future arguments discredited. Already been said.

I'm creating them.

Uh my reasons on Mutley, and Jason, is that they want the IC dead. They don't care. Mutley wanted to PL him (AND DONT YOU FUCKING CIRCLE ME MUTLEY.) and Jason said doc shouldn't be on him.

One, proved my point @ creating them and two:

...

Uh you created that one. I've already said all that shit and you said I didn't have reasons.

also for one last time I wasn't go for a PL. I want one in fact cos of stupidity, but I wouldn't go for one cos it would be stupid. almost as stupid as yourself. I'm supposed to be playing the VI yet you and j smith won't let me

Fuck you. I said don't reply. I'm not doing this.

[bubbajack8]

SoM I am at L-1.

[bubbajack8]

You guys are basing scum 2 on a flip that hasn't and won't happen.

[bubbajack8]

Obligatory.

Fuck you, told you so, Bah post.

Oh and to go even more with the I told you so.

You guys are basing scum 2 on a flip that hasn't and

won't

happen.

[bubbajack8]

Obligatory.

Fuck you, told you so, Bah post.

Oh and to go even more with the I told you so.

You guys are basing scum 2 on a flip that hasn't and

won't

happen.

You realize a bah post has no in game info AND you don't get a bah post if your lynched right?

I realize the no in game info, and I didn't feel I included in-game info.

No Bah! post for getting lynched? );

no, you're dead. No talking.

[bubbajack8]

I know I'm not suppose to dead post but you messed the bold up Tammy.

~dead men don't see bold. Don't dead post. ~