Dota 2 Thread: REBORN SOURCE 2 HYPETRAIN NOBRAKES

[Saki]

how do you deal with bloodseeker when playing mirana
he just screws me over every time i see one on the enemy team

[Katsuki]

Linkens.

BS rapes mirana pretty hard.

[TheButtonmen]

There wasn't two sets of TP's cancelled, your confusing this with a logical game of well played DotA.

The first set where Enigma, Alchy and TA were standing around the front of the Dire base while Bulldog / Loda split pushed top / bot in;
A) Dendi didn't even have a TP scroll because as far as I can tell he bought an accidental magic wand instead a TP scroll.
B) Alchy never even tried to TP, he instead tried to kill Puck (turns out Puck w/ blink is good at dodging melee heroes).

Feel free to check for yourself at 42:10 replay time.

[Saki]

nvm

i learned to ult/shadowblade + spam S

[TheButtonmen]

Shout out to Alchy for self-stun procing himself too.

nvm

i learned to ult/shadowblade + spam S

Thirst gives true sight and bloodrage stops you from using either of those. :/

[TheButtonmen]

As for the pair of cancelled TP's at the end of the game, they knew Puck was there and A) Chose to TP to ancient instead of fountain triggering the cast time increase from 3 to 5 seconds and B) Both had BKB up and chose not to use it before TPing.

[TheButtonmen]

Okay that timing really really sucks for Dendi.

[Lincolm]

The last TP of Dendy is really bad time. Puppey never thought Dendy would TP that long (5s ?). As I remember Puppey tried to lure the Puck so Dendy can TP, but appear false calculation, caught both of them in there. Well, s4 never knew Dendy in there until the Coil.

Well, s4 really give their team a nice cup that worth 1,2M$.

I can't check by myself because I can't download the replay. Dunno why.

[Katsuki]

@Button's #677

You can tell that after they took roshan and began that push, it did not occur to them that alliance would choose to split push like they did. They were expecting a fight at base, as can be seen in Dendi choosing to drop his tp for aegis (they killed s4 at rosh, who bb'd when they were pushing highground). Now that Alliance chose to split push instead of fighting into aegis, it became a game of chicken. Since dendi had no tp, alliance had no choice but to continue pushing but Alliance did not bite. NaVi obviously chose to take rax rather than go back and defend. This is one of the things that seperates Western teams and Eastern teams, but with the way Navi chose to try and end game with push (tp drop), and alliance accurately deducing that they can push faster.

Now during the first set of TPs, enig had tp canceled, and dendi had no tp. As for errors, you can tell Navi were obviously desperate at this point to go back and defend. The only errors at this point was 1. TP'ing as close to base as they did without opening BKB or going further, and 2. XBOCT not just tp'ing anyways after puck coiled. The second was obviously nerves, and he obviously panicked, what with first wanting to fight puck, then having to use bkb for the tp because he didn't go immediately.
It's easy to pin this on poor play when you're observing, but you have to give it up for s4, he made a magnificent play in launching the orb after rax got taken and he got close enough to being able to get into range to get outside base. He launched that orb before a single tp went off, and tbh this was by far attributed to s4 making an amazing play over navi screwing up (sans XBOCT).

If you didn't notice a second set of TPs being canceled then I won't bother since it was what crushed what hope NaVi had of defending the ancient push. I will comment that that too was an amazing play by S4 given his positioning (was outside of ward vision), and navi had no way of knowing he was there. He also canceled dendi's tp (5sec long) with about 0.05sec left.

p.s. trees didn't kill navi cour, trees are never able to kill flying cour unless it's sitting there for treants to whack.

P-EDIT: LOL NO they didn't know Puck was where he was. Go back and watch replay, he was out of radiant vision when they tp'ed.

[TheButtonmen]

s4 never knew Dendy in there until the Coil.

He knew they were both there, orb gives vision.

Edit: It wasn't treant, it was Necro 3 minions on the courier kill.

[Katsuki]

He knew they were both there, orb gives vision.

And this doesn't have anything to do with radiant vision.

[Lincolm]

There was an orb launch to Dendy? I don't remember.

[TheButtonmen]

Was @ Lincon, fair point about 2nd it had looked like he'd passed through vision.

[Katsuki]

There was an orb launch to Dendy? I don't remember.

Nope, was launched at enig. Pretty sure it was waning rift that gave him vision at the end as he was on the low-ground to dendi, and he casted ult the moment he saw, which somehow made it.

[TheButtonmen]

I forgot how goddamn hilarious it is to be a snowballing Storm Spirit. Cross-lane dunks don't care about wards or positioning, just hit R and laugh as they sit there flailing in your W as you blow them up. My builds not optimal yet but right now it features 3x null talisman (to get early game strength), only putting 1 point in Q and putting the saved points into stats and just rushing towards Orchid.

My biggest gripes right now are A) shitty camera controls, B) the fucking minimap being on the left side when I'm radiant and C) the terrible servers. I've somewhat mitigated 1 by binding control group 1 to space so I can just double tap it to recent but the inability to have an enemy hero selected and still control your own hero is driving me bonkers. Is there any way to customize the UI to address B and is every game featuring multiple DC's standard or has TI3 just overloaded everything?

[Staeg]

My builds not optimal yet but right now it features 3x null talisman (to get early game strength), only putting 1 point in Q and putting the saved points into stats and just rushing towards Orchid.

Would suggest only 1 or maybe 2 null talismans. Storm gets to sell them too early if you get 3 (boots+TP means you only get 1 item before selling the first null).

I am fairly sure B can be addressed in the options, but don't quote me on that. C - dota2's network has been wonky for a while now, but ever since TI3 it just went to straight shit. Don't know when will it recover.

[kanyeknowsbest]

boots tp wand bottle, you only really want one null talisman early if you need it, 2 if youre absolutely getting crushed and need that little edge badly. storm is a hero that really pays dividends by playing as greedy as you can get away with and getting your big items up fast. also more than 1 point in q is really great for flash farming later

orchid rush is absolutely legit 90% of the time tho

[Katsuki]

So, now that TI3 is done and over with, anyone want to ih?

[BBmolla]

A) shitty camera controls, B) the fucking minimap being on the left side when I'm radiant and C) the terrible servers.

A: Elaborate, cause I know you can mess with the camera speed and acceleration.
B: *shrug*
C: Servers work fine for me, you getting lag?

@Kat: Yes.

[TheButtonmen]

A) I'd love a combined self-center / self-select button and some way to have another hero selected and still control my own hero mainly.
B) Minimap being on the left side means it is different when minimap moving between Radient / Dire, where as on the right it's equal for both teams.
C) A great deal of random DC's, the latency is fine.

[BBmolla]

A) I'd love a combined self-center / self-select button and some way to have another hero selected and still control my own hero mainly.

Click your portrait, brings your hero to center. Alternatively double click your portrait at the top I think. Also, you can control key your hero to 1 or whatever and double click that.
Second one can't do.

B) Minimap being on the left side means it is different when minimap moving between Radient / Dire, where as on the right it's equal for both teams.

*shrug*

C) A great deal of random DC's, the latency is fine.

Yeah I got no idea what that's about.

[Your Troubles Will Cease]

Molla needs to organize 5 stacks or inhouses.

If I weren't busy till after the International I would.

Saki: saki143
ArcAngel9: arc_angel4
Katsuki: Shattered Dreams
Natirasha: Hooker Punch
Your Troubles Will Cease: Mister Bread
BBMolla: BBMolla / mollardbrett

Not going back any further.

[Natirasha]

So, rumor time! I mentioned before I have some [limited] contacts into both Valve(I used to be a big TF2 server owner) and the pro scene, so I typically can keep my ear to the ground and hear some interesting things.

Anyways, rumor is that Tuskarr is getting a buff to Snowball next patch(I couldn't get what the buff was though) and will be one of the top 4-positions next patch.

[BBmolla]

Isn't that more of an Icefrog thing than a valve thing?

And what do you mean "top 4-positions"?

[Staeg]

4 as in, one of the supports (the less bitch-peasanty one, usually). You know, farm priority.