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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:22 am

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VOTE: Hiraki

Guys

I used my cop power to investigate this guy

He's scum

GOGOGOGOGO
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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:02 am

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UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: Ankamius
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Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:53 am

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In post 15, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 13, Hiraki wrote:Brian wins the first town quiz.
I like winning.

But why unvote Venrob? What happened to said reasons?

Also

VOTE: Ankamius
This guy is town.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #3) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:01 pm

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In post 31, Venrob wrote:Also, selfvoting is bad. It is scummy. Lynching yourself is anti-town, unless you are scum. Given that it is during RVS, it is flat out fucking idiotic, and still deserves a vote. I would link an example, but no ongoing game discussion...
For the first sentence, it's pretty obvious that it wasn't remotely bad. It single-handedly brought us out of RVS.

As for the rest of your post, that's all just varying levels of crap.
In post 36, Venrob wrote:Selfvoting in RVS has no reason to happen, and of course...... Voting someone for that is a legitimate vote, which gets town OUT of RVS. You are welcome.
In post 37, Venrob wrote:faking i posted and i was ninja'd, so it just posted now... Nothing makes me think that brian, but read above post; we are out of RVS, you are welcom.
Yeah, no. This is the scummiest thing in the entire thread so far. It's such a bad attempt to try to get towncred.
In post 51, thenewearth wrote:
In post 49, Alduskkel wrote:What is your opinion of the Venrob wagon?
What's your opinion on your sakura vote?
Wtf is this.

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UNVOTE: Ankamius
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Post Post #103 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:36 pm

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Leaning town on Sakura so far.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:56 am

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In post 113, Venrob wrote:
In post 93, Ankamius wrote:It single-handedly brought us out of RVS.
SCUSE ME, not true. It got us out of RVS, but not single-handedly. I helped.
Semantics. It directly caused the shitstorm that signaled the end of RVS.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:40 pm

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In post 133, Sakura Hana wrote:Both Venrob and Ank have been trying to appear town, but Venrob voted ank for legit reasons (the self-vote) ank's reasoning for voting Venrob doesnt have much of a base.

A self-vote means that you're voting for the only person you know is confirmed town (if you're town) hence holds no info, while voting for someone else not only increases pressure but also makes others take stances, why would you incrase pressure on yourself?
I didn't have a base for my vote? Venrob's explanation for his vote on me made the vote itself look a lot less like town-motivated pressure and more like mafia-motivated pressure. That was what I was attacking.

It's also really interesting how a case one of your scumreads made ended up making a significant townread into a scumread.

ETL's entrance looks pretty town. pieguy is also looking town right now.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:06 pm

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In post 163, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 103, Ankamius wrote:Leaning town on Sakura so far.
Reasons?
Up to that point, she was taking a stance that was contrary to the general opinion of the game and was being very vocal about it. This gives a pretty strong town vibe for this stage of the game.

She has since dropped down to null-scum territory.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:13 am

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In post 175, Venrob wrote:A lot of meta
Yeah, no. Meta-diving is awful and I'm no longer going to pay any attention whatsoever to any meta arguments on you after that post.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:29 pm

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In post 184, Sakura Hana wrote:Also

@Ank: Do you really think I'm scum? Wanna gamble my flip for your lynch tomorrow?
I addressed the first question somewhere on the last page, which makes the second one meaningless.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #10) » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:04 pm

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In post 229, JacobSavage wrote:----Town
Alduskkel
Brian Skies
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DoctorEagle
EspeciallyTheLies
Hiraki
Sakura Hana
thenewearth
Ankamius
------ Scum
Venrob
pieguyn

Viera Assassin[/b]
Can you go into these two reads, please? I have a town read on pieguyn and Viera Assassin has been impossible for me to read so far.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:04 am

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Hm.

UNVOTE: Venrob

I need to reread things too. I've been way out of it in regards to mafia in general recently.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:43 pm

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In post 304, pieguyn wrote:also if we don't wanna wait for Sakura to return we can just lynch her instead www
No.
In post 298, JacobSavage wrote:Because when I pressed submit I didn't realise there was a P-Edit screen til I had closed it.
suppose everyone did what you did and no one did anything, what would happen then? everyone is just sitting there without trying to obtain new information and so they never can get an idea of who the mafia could be = = clearly this doesn't help town at all and just active-lurking doesn't help either.

at least you could be asking some questions to get more information based off your reads, why aren't you doing this?
But its quite obvious thats not at all what is happening. When posting is slow I post more, you can see that by looking at some past games.

Also Venrob is scum, like seriously. He replaces out when he gets wagonned as scum. (Again 1 game meta)
Yuck. His only two posts on Venrob after the goon cop claim was a heavily fluffy post on the claim itself (suspiciously without any kind of read from it) and this, which is just a sad attempt to get the wagon going again. I don't like his reasoning on VA and pieguy being scum when he explained those points either.

Hell, I just don't get a very town feel from his play at all this game.

VOTE: JacobSavage
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Post Post #314 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:50 am

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I don't get it.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #14) » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:18 am

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I'm more confused why everyone is ignoring JacobSavage. iPie's reasoning checks out, but I don't feel it's a very strong case at all.

I still much prefer a JS lynch.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #15) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:58 am

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UNVOTE: JacobSavage
VOTE: pieguyn

I don't like the fact that we're compromising on this slot. I'm getting a really bad feeling that one of the PR claims was a gambit or Brian is a scums. I don't get that scummy wagoning feeling from IPie, but the way it progressed past that initial vote doesn't look town to me.

I'm interested in this flip in of itself, though. TNE is tripping one of my secret scumtells and a pieguy-townflip only makes it look worse.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:04 pm

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Lalalala

VOTE: Thenewearth
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Post Post #409 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:08 pm

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V/LA until Saturday


This shouldn't be an issue, it's more of a just-in-case scenario.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:54 pm

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In post 428, Hiraki wrote:
In post 277, Alduskkel wrote:Who the fuck pops in only to give meta, defend himself, and talk about his own claimed role?
Can you explain this?
Ankamius wrote:Hell, I just don't get a very town feel from his play at all this game.
Can you go into more detail?
This looks a lot more like scum trying to look active than town trying to force explanations for reads out into the open.

The first question doesn't even make sense, since I literally don't see how this can be any more clear. The fact that he was told this (in the form of a question no doubt) and chose to ignore it makes me even more unsettled as to why this question was asked in the first place.

The second question is basically irrelevant. Until I am made aware of why this matters at all, I will not be answering this question.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #19) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:56 pm

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I remember literally nothing about DE, but I feel that catch-up post is a slight towntell.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #20) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:31 am

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In post 426, InflatablePie wrote:post :
re:103 - ... this is a good question though.
Ank, wanna explain this one?
ISO me. This was long since answered.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:56 am

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Sorry, I've been absent from the site pretty much overall the past few days. I'll read up soonish.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:36 pm

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In post 481, Alduskkel wrote::facepalm:

Vote Hiraki
.

I refuse to believe that this is town behavior. Am I really supposed to believe you a) don't know how many scum are in this OPEN setup and b) have determined that NOW is the opportune time for a no lynch?
I'm pretty sure I see what IPie is referring to here, actually. At the very least, it contrasts his ISO up to this point significantly in a smelly way.

Alduskkel: Why did you have to meta? Seriously, that came so far out of left field.

ETL's posts this page are bugging me.

JacobSavage: Do something please.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #23) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:28 am

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In post 516, Alduskkel wrote:Hiraki's the kind of player who deserves a cursory glance at his meta. And by "the kind of player," I mean "someone who seems like they might just play anti-town all the time."

As you might imagine I don't really see the discrepancy between my recent posts and my overall ISO. Care to elaborate?
Your ordering. You pressured Hiraki on things within the game and tried to make a rational case, but then suddenly you backtracked heavily and went to meta. This explanation only makes it look worse, since I see town coming to this conclusion and clearing the air while initially seeing the case rather than after everything happens. At the very least, the thought process would be more obvious instead of just "OH WAIT ALSO META".
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Post Post #544 (isolation #24) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:29 am

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In post 539, Alduskkel wrote:
notscience wrote:Saki didn't question a goon cop claim, when a goon cop claim is what lead my scumbuddy to lylo last run of this setup (they were the mafia role cop, I was the traitor), and he instantly unvotes rather than show some townie paranoia which gives me a scumread on the slot
Saki isn't in this game as far as I know. Who are you talking about?

Also... is anyone townreading ETL? Something to contemplate.
In post 541, Alduskkel wrote:Oh, okay.

Also, reading 539 over again, what I mean about ETL is that it seems like no one is townreading her, but no one is voting her either. Seems weird.
Unvote: Whoever

Vote: Aldusskel
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Post Post #545 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:29 am

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*Alduskkel

I'm too tired for this shit.
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Post Post #566 (isolation #26) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:36 pm

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In post 561, DoctorEagle wrote: i don't understand the train of thought with this vote.
It's the fencesitty and cautious way he's trying to put pressure on FTL, then later going more for it with something incredibly irrelevant to pretty much anything.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #27) » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:04 am

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In post 573, Brian Skies wrote:@Ank: You're in nulltown-possible scum territory and I'm having difficulty reading you. Do you have any reads and reasoning to back up those reads?
I've expressed scumreads on Hiraki, ETL, thenewearth(notscience), and Alduskkel this day phase. I can go into more detail on them if my ISO is not enough, but I'm not really all that enthusiastic on posting my reads on everyone.

However, if you want reads on only specific people, ask.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:38 pm

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In post 586, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 582, Ankamius wrote:
In post 573, Brian Skies wrote:@Ank: You're in nulltown-possible scum territory and I'm having difficulty reading you. Do you have any reads and reasoning to back up those reads?
I've expressed scumreads on Hiraki, ETL, thenewearth(notscience), and Alduskkel this day phase. I can go into more detail on them if my ISO is not enough,
but I'm not really all that enthusiastic on posting my reads on everyone.


However, if you want reads on only specific people, ask.
Yeah, that's fine. During my initial read-through of your iso, I couldn't figure out where you stood with most people and
in comparison to other people, your presence tends to wane at times.


I'm most interested on your reads of ETL, Hiraki, and DE. You, notscience, and DE all have him as scum, but only one of you are voting him. Logically, this wagon should have taken off by now, but it hasn't. I still think DE is just meh and I don't understand why people are reading him as town off the intro post. Hiraki requires a re-read for me, but I'm not getting town-vibes from him.

I'll do a re-read later in the afternoon. Still in the middle of classes.
The bolded is not game-specific.

ETL is mainly a slot that is starting to irk me. The posts I've been seeing issues with are within the last few pages or so since I don't really see anything too noteworthy from D1.

...DoctorEagle exists? This slot seriously has about the least amount of impact on me as of yet. I remember I was leaning town from the little I saw, but that's about it.

Hiraki is leaning scum.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:44 pm

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VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

Don't really understand why we're going with this slot over Hiraki or Alduskkel, but any lynch is better than no lynch at this point.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #30) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:38 am

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Phone post at work. I support this lynch. Break is over, bye.

Btw not a pr.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:30 am

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In post 678, Alduskkel wrote:@Ankamius: What was the deal with that not-hammer on ETL?
I meant exactly what I said; that it was a compromise lynch. I was feeling incredibly bleh about the lynch in general, both from how it ended up winning out the other wagons and because half the other wagons were ones I would have preferred.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:44 am

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In post 677, Sakura Hana wrote:Looking through Ank's ISO he stated early townreads on me and brian, then when i accidentally misread something of his, he moves me to null and his read lists shows alduskel and brian as town, if all lines up and Ank's indeed scum, based on what I know from Ankamius anyone in his townread is not in his team, most likely either Alduskel is a traitor or town, and in that case scum remaining would be Ankamius and Hiraki.

This is assuming scum did shoot last night.
This is circular logic.
In post 675, InflatablePie wrote:I blocked Ank last night for his hammer-but-not-really on ETL and his support but non vote on Brian yesterday.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go bang my head against a wall for the rest of Day phase
...Okay? The first point isn't that strong and the second one is just plain bad.

Scum obviously did a no-kill gambit. I find it more likely scum hit the traitor yesterday (since that gambit doesn't make any sense N2) than no-killed, but just the knowledge of a roleblocker existing suddenly makes no-killing more viable.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #33) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:33 pm

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In post 683, Alduskkel wrote:
In post 680, Ankamius wrote:I meant exactly what I said; that it was a compromise lynch. I was feeling incredibly bleh about the lynch in general, both from how it ended up winning out the other wagons and because half the other wagons were ones I would have preferred.
Yeah, but why get on the wagon after it's already reached lynch threshold?
Did it? I counted that it was at L-1.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:37 pm

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Then I counted wrong.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:05 pm

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Why is Alduskkel not dead yet anyway?
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Post Post #747 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:10 pm

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Oh, happy birthday too.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #37) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:15 am

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In post 748, Alduskkel wrote:Why should I be? Also thanks. :)
Because VOTE: Alduskkel
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Post Post #806 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:24 pm

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In post 748, Alduskkel wrote:Why should I be? Also thanks. :)
It's in my ISO somewhere. Your posts leading up to that statement were also painfully passive in a really bad way.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:51 pm

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I'm fine with it if EspeciallyLies is.

But anyway, cristovo and I chose Daytalk + JoaT mostly because both of us have played in the exact same type of game before. We pretty much decided that either Daytalk + JoaT or Joat + Bulletproof were the only two choices. The primary reason daytalk never worked out for us was because ETL and I pretty much both just blacked out of the game for most of it while both of us were alive.

As usual with my scumgames, I make the reasons for all my actions clear in the scumthread. Funny thing is, I tried to kill DP because I was sure that slot wasn't the traitor.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:43 pm

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In post 999, pieguyn wrote:
I don't expect pieguyn or Sakura Hana to be fooled by my play at all, though. They both have an idea on how I play both town and scum (which is actually pretty much exactly the same), and it's a matter of time until any real chance of being fooled by a hard bus on my end is nil.
<3 Ank
It's kinda true, considering I had won a game as scum around that time by pushing rEdo into the ground.
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:40 pm

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Vanilla cop that scouts for Goons+VTs might be better, or maybe even PR Cop. It's more dangerous for mafia to hide among all the VTs if there's a risk of them being outed as a power role, but it's not really strong enough to single-handedly confirm anyone as mafia.
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:47 pm

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Best moment.

Also, why is the Role Cop so shitty? Because it doesn't actually counteract other Town PRs?[/quote]

The last game we ended up playing with this set-up, it was made 100% useless because the town basically massclaimed whether they were a PR or not and eventually made all the PR names clear by D2.

It wouldn't have made any difference either this game, since half the PRs were outed D1 and the other two D3.

TBH, Role Cop sucks in this set-up because chances are you will only get one or two scans by the time it becomes obsolete and the times it pays off aren't very helpful compared to when every single other role pays off. At least BP is passively useful just from the virtue of making the vigilante (if applicable) less powerful.

Actually, to be honest, I've never seen role cop be very useful in any of my games, even when it's used to its fullest potential. Sakura knows which game I'm talking about.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:48 pm

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In post 1006, Alduskkel wrote:I think daytalk is underpowered.
TBH, that's a set-up problem more than a problem with daytalk itself. It would be much more powerful with three mafia than two, but the only real viable way to do that is Daytalk + Recruit Traitor + JoaT, which... can make town too powerful. JoaT is strong, but the power town has can crush it hard.
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