Open 530 "WSoB" (Stack the Deck): GAME OVER

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vote: pieguy

OMGUS!

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And suddenly a venrob wagon starts. This is quite interesting.

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notscience self votes in RVS all the time

js

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Also Hi

fartownik

cristovo welcome to MS.

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Reminds me on when i RVS a NL vote.

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There's no basis for any vote right now so a self-vote has as much credibility as a vote on someone else.

Credibility aside, what info is a self-vote going to give us?

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Umm ok?

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It's a useless wagon

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Because the reasoning for it even existing is stupid.

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That's your opinion.

Why do you think your vote is a good vote?

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Well Alduskkel, ISO me and tell me whether I have commented or not then.

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I commented before your vote came in, so you obviously missed my posts, in my posts I already gave my feelings on it, including a slight hint to the answer you're looking for.

So you rather sheep a wagon without checking whether the reasoning behind it holds true or not.

Unvote
Vote: Alduskkel

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Isn't this a question you're better off asking Ankamius?

Not only to Ankamius but the people voting Venrob as well.

Why are you guys defending Ankamius is a better question.

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Ok since Alduskkel guy here cant take hints and can't read, My comment on RVS votes means that I agree with Venrob and that I think he's town hence the wagon shouldn't even exist.

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Post 44

No I'm not saying wagons shouldn't exist, but the Ankamius wagon was better than the Venrob wagon because of the reasons I said earlier and could have POTENTIALLY obtained the reason for his self-vote rather than wagon someone for trying to obtain said info.
Would you build a wagon on an Innocent Child? Serious Question.

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No one in here obviously.

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Hypothetically assume there's an Innocent Child, would you wagon them?

Hope that's better worded.

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That question is still Directed at pieguy, but thanks for your answer.

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For the first sentence, it's pretty obvious that it wasn't remotely bad.

It single-handedly brought us out of RVS.

Oh the irony

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If they make no sense then why did you answer it.

I liked your answer tho, more specifically the second paragraph, already got some info from you, so the question wasn't all that pointless, was it

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So what information did you get from Venmar's wagon?

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Yeah why did I sai Venmar instead of Venrob, I really need to sleep xD

Good Night

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So we got 2 people going "Hey guys! look how pro-town i am by taking us out of RVS!"

Yeah no

Unvote
Vote: Ankamius

At least Venrob has a reason to be against the self-vote.

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I guess i'll always live up to my title of global scum read, are you debating if to vote me or Venrob because you say we're your top scumreads yet you aren't voting.

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The flip flop is based on what Ank said, the thing is that Ank is as guilty, and it was reafirmed that venrob also seems to want to appear town on his next post, due to these events i re-evaluated my read on him.

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I really gotta head to sleep so i'm not gonna quote everything.

and plz link exactly where you changed your opinion on Ank.

I didnt? unless going from null to scum is changing my opinion of him.

Both Venrob and Ank have been trying to appear town, but Venrob voted ank for legit reasons (the self-vote) ank's reasoning for voting Venrob doesnt have much of a base.

A self-vote means that you're voting for the only person you know is confirmed town (if you're town) hence holds no info, while voting for someone else not only increases pressure but also makes others take stances, why would you incrase pressure on yourself?

What is there to ask about the self-vote that hasn't been already asked?

Anyway, Good Night.

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So according to you self-voting isn't scummy?

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Self-voting denies town information from wagon analysis, you know.

Maybe since it's RVS and ns does it as town... hmm

Unvote

While i think about it.

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before I forget

@pieguy: i'm not ignoring you but I don't have much time to post until tonight, and replying to all of your questions will take some time.

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In fact, when pressed for an overt stance, she plays games and tells people to run around the thread looking for hints.

Scum dont read the thread, so I was making them read the thread and figure out what my stance was, last time I pressed someone for asking me questions I already answered in the thread they flipped scum, big surprise.

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Self-voting at L-1 is scummy.

Yeaaaah, about that

Guess that's why I'm a global scum read.

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since you question how a self-vote will give us info, I guess you think it won't give us as much as a regular vote. can you explain why plz?

Well your guess is wrong, I do think a self-vote would give way less info than a vote on someone else.

I don't think you asked him about the self-vote? if you thought it'd be a good idea to find out the information, why couldn't you just ask him?

I didn't ask him, but I now know why he did it anyway so it's pointless to ask.

ad hominem or whatever it's called

As mentioned previously last time someone called ad hom on me calling them out for not reading what I had wrote and ask questions again that were already answered they flipped scum, I got my methods of scumhunting and you got yours so let's leave it at that.

can you quote what made you think this plz? and plz link exactly where you changed your opinion on Ank.

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why this ^ then? here you're implying he voted for a legit reason, instead of just trying to appear town.

His vote was legit, it got screwed up when he continued to pretending to be town after being called out for it (also I hadn't noticed that until Ank mentioned it)

Hope that was all of them because im gonna be busy again.

P-Edit:

@Brian: I find it scummy even tho ns does it as town, just like ETL finds self-hammering as town scummy even tho i've done it. But I'm still not clear on whether ank's motivations with the self-vote were really information gain or confusion, which is why I decided to unvote him for now.

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we run Sakura up to L-1

Or i can self-hammer as town again -trollface-

Nah, not really, I really wanna remove that bad habit of mine.

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What am I supposed to be defending against anyway?, all I see is your marvelous plan of lynching me if I dont claim a PR.

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Ha! Everything's suspicious to you anyway, how would me explaining that make you think I'm less scum to you now? I know I messed up and I'm gonna get lynched for it, so go ahead and lynch me instead of trying to make me type stuff you won't read anyway.

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Also

@Ank: Do you really think I'm scum? Wanna gamble my flip for your lynch tomorrow?

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So ETL: Here's a little trivia, if I was scum why would I contradict myself in the same post?
Hint: I didn't.

But oh well hell If i know if the way I worded it was awkward or not, but I almost got lynched as town once before for the same thing and both TNE and Ank know it (since they both were in that game), since then I stopped ever trying to defend my screw ups.

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the team would be Sakura+Venrob already

leaning town on Venrob for now.

Let's play a game of who contradicts themselves more shall we?

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wow you're trying really hard to accuse me aren't you

The same could be said about you. If you're town then the contradiction you pointed out is null, otherwise it's more probable we're both scum, which one is it then?

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I had an opinion and changed it after a post someone made.

I would believe this if you didnt contradict yourself in the very same post.

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My point being that town can cotradict themselves too, so your point is null (unless you're scum then it makes sense for you to think that way), anyway i think my vote is gonna head in this direction now

Unvote
Vote: DoctorEagle

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I'm inclined to vote Venrob because of the self meta and his attempt to make self voting looking like an alignment indicative thing rather than a playstyle indicative thing.

I need to ask DP on his read for Venrob. But I'll go ahead and vote him now

VOTE: Venrob

-BE

P-Edit: No scumhunting either, pieguy.

I thought you guys were going to vote me?

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@Sakura, DP wanted to vote you, but I was like "meh"

I dont mind him voting me, in fact I wanted to engage with him and 1v1, since i can prob get a better read of your slot that way since I've hydra'd with him.

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VA you were already voting Venrob. = = what the hell are you trying to do? LOL

It's called a fake hammer reaction test, tho IMO it was pretty obvious.

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@Mod: I'll be V/LA for 1 week

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I need to know why "pieguy is scum".

I would like to know this as well. I'm townreading pieguy.

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Yeah I guess my vote is being kinda useless atm anyway.

I can buy jacob scum case

Unvote
Vote: JacobSavage

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Unvote
Vote: pieguy

You know there's 3 scum and not 2 right? I like IP's points on you.

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^ that's L-1

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Probably because strongman shot.

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Oh and before I forget

Vote: DoctorEagle

Get in here and dance with me DP.

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Got it from this post.

Shit.

Scum JOAT has a Strongman. GOD DAMMIT.

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It's like you aren't even reading the thread.

And doesn't want to engage with me because he knows I can read him (I have hydra'd with DP)

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I believe the post up there was made by eagle. DP isn't that careless, as either alignment.

I know the post was made by eagle, hence why I'm wondering why DP hasn't come out to engage with me.

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Prod received, I forgot to mention I wasn't going to be here today, but yeah not being here until tomorrow.

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A+ for the

quick

flip flop on the pieguy wagon.

Come on, you already know i flip flop a lot, besides there's like 30+ posts difference that's a little more than a page.

Now youre just building towards any wagon that goes to you at this point.

Sure, so?

I actually just love the fact that me NOT being here because I was V/LA for two weeks, it was site wide btw, means that I am avoiding you.

Well you never said that you were V/LA until that one post you made, and you supposedly were already back when you made it, it's not like I go stalking your main account to see if you have a V/LA tag or not.

Actually, I just love the fact that we hydra'd and you know exactly how we went and disagreed with reads, which explains BE not voting for you, yet somehow when it comes to a situation elsewhere, youre quick to call scum on it.

I'm not calling you out for disagreeing with reads, why bring this up?

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Hi i'm still around, and i'm still happy with my vote on eagle.

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Vote TNE or DIE

Why

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Oh ok so you hadn't replied to me because you had a fever

Unvote

I'll let you catch up and based on your catch up post i'll revote you or not.

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Do you really think that will make a difference?

Yes

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Hi ns, are you scum?

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LMAO didnt realize that

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I need DP to post more before I can read his/Sakura's slots.

Fun fact I also need him to post more.

Also i totally forgot about that one game where Saki got done in by scum you with a goon cop fake claim from your partner, Interesting point I'll look over Saki's ISO.

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Also

i totally forgot about that one game

where Saki

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Saki = VA

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Sakura, you flip flop a lot. Does it make it not scummy? Its always easy to excuse a scummy action as "Its not alignment indicative, especially when the action is self preservationist in nature. How so? Because I've mentioned you're going for any viable wagon, because you know that youre a viable wagon for many people here. Thus youre going to others to prevent yours from going through.

So are you willing to get lynched tomorrow after I flip town?

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4 wagons at 2 votes... ehhhh, i dont think the other 3 are scum... just lynch me since i'm not contributing much anyway

Unvote
Vote: Sakura Hana

I'd rather lynch DoctorEagle but oh well.

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So Sakura, how would you feel if I voted for you?

Not bad at all, isn't that what I'm saying? I'm offering myself up for a lynch so you guys dont end up with NL

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The catch is that I've stated that I think you're town.

And do you still think I am?

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I already said, I dont think neither of them is scum, the only person atm im scumreading is DoctorEagle.

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Except, any of the other 3 wagons (even myself) are more likely to be scum from your perspective,

Why?

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yeah, why arent you voting me?.... screw it, i dont have time, I either vote ETL whom I think is town or NL because you guys dont wanna lynch me...

Unvote
Vote: ETL

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And I mean I dont have time because I'm gonna be gone for the following 4-6 hours.

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Guess scum found the 1 shot BP traitor...

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Oh right... forgot there was a roleblocker.

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I dont think they would refrain from killing, there's no danger of killing the traitor due to Bulletproof.

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Vote: Bryan

Alright. If you're right about this and scum didnt hit the traitor instead then it's pretty much gg if you hit right tonight.

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Why do you need to overexplain yourself?

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Son of a bitch, my reads are so fucking off base >.>

Aren't they always.

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Townread on ns increasing, scumread on Hiraki and Alduskkel increasing, like who in the fricken hell speed lynches like that.

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Eeenie minie mini moe

Vote: Hiraki

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IP is town, the tracker confirmed that he was roleblocked and only town can roleblock.

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Framery? Or did IP actually target scum?

Either could be true.

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What are the odds that scum knowing now there's a town roleblocker went for a no kill framejob gambit.

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Re: Prev message.
That is an actual question to everyone btw, I'm not sure whether it would be worth it for scum at this point or not, since there's also a chance the RB targetted actual scum anyway.

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If anything him claiming roleblocked AND flipping tracker confirms you as roleblocker, and hence town.

Unvote

I was thinking on the basis that they voted brian immediately after the claim, also DE's hammer was terrible. Will look at Ank.

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Looking through Ank's ISO he stated early townreads on me and brian, then when i accidentally misread something of his, he moves me to null and his read lists shows alduskel and brian as town, if all lines up and Ank's indeed scum, based on what I know from Ankamius anyone in his townread is not in his team, most likely either Alduskel is a traitor or town, and in that case scum remaining would be Ankamius and Hiraki.

This is assuming scum did shoot last night.

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hmm, If you roleblocked correctly that means JS is conf town bodyguard just saying.

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if a kill goes through he's confirmed as town, provided I keep blocking him.

This won't work unless they really did hit the traitor N2, since if the traitor is recruited then they can just send him, Do you wanna vote no lynch and try that?

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inb4 NL > No NK over and over until happy ever after.

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A Bodyguard fakeclaim is pretty ballsy of them imo, and if they didnt recruit traitor and got daytalk then daytalk's already useless for them. gg?

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There's actually another possibility.

Joat + Traitor recruit + Rolecop, if rolecop found out you were Roleblocker they could've No Killed N2 for framejob,

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But then the goon cop kill doesnt make much sense unless they were scared their one goon would be found out.

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ns, I already said that IP is confirmed Town Roleblocker.

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Why would scum ever hammer you?

This.

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you guys aren't

stupid

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ftfy

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So can we lynch Ank yet.

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Unvote
Vote: Ankamius

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@Mod: You flipped yabbaguy wrong, he was supposed to be scum

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VOTE: Hiraki

I DON@T WAN'T TO COMMIT TO ANY WAGONS YET

Why Hiraki over Ank? I mean I think Hiraki is scum, but Ank is almost like a RB guilty.

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Actually I can see why now... didnt think about it before.

Unvote
Vote: Hiraki

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@Mod: V/LA Until Monday

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Back from V/LA, I see many interesting points wrt NKA, but the only way for scum to be certain that there's a RB is for them to have taken 3 powers, which would give all 5 powers to town. Which then means we have a vig, but considering 1 NK, and 2 nights without a kill, there's mostly certain we dont have a vig, for scum to pull a gambit like that they should have taken only 1 power, but then what was the purpose of killing the goon cop?

Hmm... this is giving me a headache X_X

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It's very simple really, Scum only took one power, if JS was town there's no reason for them not to kill him, Scum shot JS Night 2 because there wasnt an outed RB yet, so they thought he was the actual BG, the shot didnt go through so he's actually the traitor and they decided to no kill gambit N3 because the RB would mislynch again... or the goon actually got RB'd.

That's my theory anywya, we know there's no vig because lack of a 2nd kill, and 2 no kills in a row, and we dont have an IC either.

Thoughts?

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If you die instead of JS, JS didnt protect you and that should be a signal already.

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Unvote
Vote: Ank

Forgot.

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Jesus this game goes slow

Then vote Ank and speed it up.

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So i'm back from V/LA, the lack of NK and Roleblock are interesting. If there's a traitor there's a chance he could've forgotten he can do the NKs now, otherwise the traitor was recruited and/or is doing no kill gambit.

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The traitor can Night kill if both of the other scum are dead, just saying. At least so the wiki says.

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Vote: DoctorEagle

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The sad fact is is that DE's responses are pretty town at this point. Is there no support for an NS lynch?

I support an NS lynch on the grounds that he sucks in LYLO

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Town post

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this game...

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Or we could... you know, lynch DoctorEagle because he's scum.

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They are null at best, and both heads have been posting elsewhere during all this time.

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If you weren't literally confirmed town atm, i'd be totally voting you for that IP...

IMO why dont we no lynch? we'd be forcing scum to make a move or they risk a happily ever after.

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Because IP said he didnt roleblock last night.

PEd: yeah what IP said.

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Yep assuming IP isn't scum

IP is conftown.

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How? Where?

Only roleblocking role is Town, he said he roleblocked Brian on the day with No Kill, Brian confirmed being blocked as he was a tracker, Brian got lynched, he flipped tracker.

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Oh it's finally over, yay!

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lol @ Dead QT

Seems like pieguy still has issues reading me <3

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Wow even the scum thought I was scum.