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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:42 am

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Vote: Venrob


Reasons.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:56 am

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Brian wins the first town quiz.

Unvote, Vote: cristovo017


Because I have no clue how to pronounce that name.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:21 am

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In post 15, Brian Skies wrote:But why unvote Venrob? What happened to said reasons?
There were no reasons, it was a test.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #3) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:41 pm

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Unvote, Vote: Venrob


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Post Post #41 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:13 pm

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In post 31, Venrob wrote:Lynching yourself is anti-town
Because one vote is really asking for that person to be lynched.
Venrob wrote:Selfvoting in RVS has no reason to happen
Yet previously I voted for you with no reasoning.

What's the difference there? I wasn't voting myself and I was voting someone else? There's no basis for any vote right now so a self-vote has as much credibility as a vote on someone else. However, you are trying to twist it, as any scum would, to make it look scummy because doing something predefined is automatically always scum.

Post hoc, if you will.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:36 am

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In post 102, pieguyn wrote:Hiraki: just wondering, any reason for voting Venrob in particular?
Manipulation of scum tells.

I'll post more later.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:42 am

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Sakura Hana wrote:Credibility aside, what info is a self-vote going to give us?
The individual action will do nothing, that is correct. However, the reaction to the individual action is what you should always be looking for anyway in an RVS stage of a game.

Do you think he really wants to lynch himself? Then the vote is a joke. If you think it's a bad joke and that it will lead to nothing, then go ahead and vote him. That's your reasoning and not mine. The problem with that, however, is that we do not lynch for bad jokes, we lynch people we think are scum. Town and scum can make bad jokes so therefore it's useless to go about trying to find something bad/good about the individual action of self-voting.
In post 49, Alduskkel wrote:What is your opinion of the Venrob wagon?
This is good.
In post 53, Sakura Hana wrote:Because the reasoning for it even existing is stupid.
Further indulge me on this, please.
In post 56, thenewearth wrote:If it was a good vote

Then it's a "good vote" so conveniently placed after 2 votes on sakura

opportunistic as fuck man
It was probably the least opportunistic vote in the game. Why does it matter that it was 2 votes after?

You do realize that the only way you can find a good opportunity vote is if the reason completely mimics a vote or if it can be seen that the person in question was only most, if not all, town lynches (and this is weak and can be used to town/scum advantage).
In post 70, Brian Skies wrote:It's not an opinion. It's the hint.
The problem is that she used that as an opinion.
How are you getting Sakura town from that?
In post 78, Brian Skies wrote:
Saki's
VS' recent surge of activity is kind of shocking. Does anyone find it indicative in any way?
No, but what were you thinking?

Pieguyn: Can you clearly display your reads on Sakura and Adduskel?

Pieguyn wrote:^ voted him again after unvoting him.
The former was a random vote. This vote was real.
In post 138, JacobSavage wrote:STOP POSTING SO MUCH!

Seriously I don't have any idea whats going on.

Will get around to reading.
It's only six pages with I think the first two being a tad bit useless. If you're dillydallying now, then I can expect that you'll still be at this point next week?
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Post Post #152 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:20 am

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In post 147, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Self-voting at L-1 is scummy.
Action itself doesn't even matter at this point.
ETL wrote:Self-voting in LYLO is scummy.
No, not really. Scum wouldn't self-vote and self-voting can be OK if there's a clear.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:18 pm

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In post 163, Brian Skies wrote:And the problem I have is that people lack the critical reading skills to see the inference.
Okay, so we don't get it apparently. So then why are you being butthurt and not just explaining it?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:14 pm

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In post 195, DoctorEagle wrote:Hiraki, what's the town quiz? Just because he points out the fact you have no reason isn't a town tell. I don't know, you might be joking.
Reactions. It's still RVS.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:20 pm

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My vote is not moving.

Motivation has literally nothing to do with why you're scum here.
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Post Post #250 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:43 am

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I'll admit that I've been lurking. Haven't seen anything jump out at me yet but I'll also admit that I haven't given this game a full 100% attention.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:19 am

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...which would mean that a mafia would be caught...

I'm waiting for plausible CCs.
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Post Post #262 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:26 pm

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In post 259, JacobSavage wrote:Bare in mind it doesn't have to be a CC for him to be fake claiming.

In fact if he's mafia it would show very strong likelyhood of them having chosen few to no power ups.
I'm not lynching a PR-claim D1.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:33 am

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Unvote


Need to re-read.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:14 am

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In post 281, pieguyn wrote:everyone who posted a prod dodge (Brian, TNE, Hiraki, Ank), post something ASAP plz
By tomorrow night. I've been busy this weekend.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:53 am

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This game is really hard to read. Therefore, I think I'm going to use process of elimination here.

I am not willing to lynch: Venrob, VieraAssassin, ETL, DoctorEagle, BrianSkies, and Ankamius.

That leaves: Alduskkel, JacobSavage, pieguyn, Sakura Hana, thenewearth

My next posts will basically be choosing out of that pile but I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the rest of this game goes for me.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:17 pm

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In post 300, Alduskkel wrote:How the hell did VA and DE make it onto your not-willing-to-lynch list? And how did pieguy make it onto the other list?
Wah, my reads don't agree with yours and now I've suddenly become scummy? I think I'll have a placeholder here. I'll have everything figured out by tomorrow.
Unvote, Vote: Alduskkel
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Post Post #310 (isolation #18) » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:24 am

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In post 307, pieguyn wrote:he just asked you to explain your reads more.
I would believe this if he cited my early posts and finding contradictions from earlier reads.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:05 pm

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In post 315, Alduskkel wrote:At least give some hard scum reads.
Meanwhile, I already said this game was hard to read. Do you think I'm just going to come out and say "AH-HA SCUM FOUND!111!1!"
Adus wrote:Also, I didn't call you scummy for not explaining yourself. You're scummy because you don't post jack.
Lurking=Scummy. GJ[/quote]
Adus wrote:But 4 of your 5 most recent posts are promising to do stuff later, and I don't see that stuff yet.
Yet. It's been a few days now and I have time.

That being said, I'm really liking Aduskelscum.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:21 pm

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In post 318, Alduskkel wrote:ITT Hiraki gives excuses for not scumhunting.
Thanks for confirming my vote and dodging the questions.

I'll look at the rest of the group later. When I'm not busy (because apparently that seriously needed to be said too)
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Post Post #402 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:51 pm

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Vote: Alduskkel
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Post Post #428 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:12 pm

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Unvote


TNE, I know I'm the last person who should be saying this, but can you post a bit more than nothing?
In post 277, Alduskkel wrote:Who the fuck pops in only to give meta, defend himself, and talk about his own claimed role?
Can you explain this?
Ankamius wrote:Hell, I just don't get a very town feel from his play at all this game.
Can you go into more detail?
Brian wrote:I'm not sold on you yet.
Are you going to vote Sakura, and why?
DrEagle wrote:Hiraki - leaning town
EspeciallyTheLies - leaning scum
Explain. None of the quotes in this post are mine and I don't get the ETL leaning scum.

I want a Sakura case.

I'd really rather an Aduskel or TNE lynch than a Sakura lynch, in fact.

Vote: TNE
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Post Post #431 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:41 am

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TNE doesn't give good reads.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:18 am

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In post 404, thenewearth wrote:
DoctorEagle wrote:
Why did you lynch pie yesterday? I had him as town.

DP

Weeeeeeeeee
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Post Post #446 (isolation #25) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:29 am

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In post 445, thenewearth wrote:I... uhm... like... ALWAYS said pieguy was town.
>this person flipped town so I must have good reads :):):)

DoctorEagle is leaning scum. I never called you town, first off and I don't like your responses now. TNE should die first though.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #26) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:54 pm

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In post 448, DoctorEagle wrote:
on Day 1?
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Post Post #469 (isolation #27) » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:35 pm

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In post 458, Brian Skies wrote:Can you explain these slots' positioning on this list up to this point? The ones that stick out the most are VA and Pieguyn. Is there any particular reason why they were in their respective spots?
DE for overall null/leaning town gameplay. VA just because I think there was more than enough information to get rid of someone other than a lurker (btw. I'm calling bullshit on the infection, otherwise VA has had a load of infections in the last few months)

Ald was for already stated reasons, JacobSavage was because I wasn't sure abut him at all. Pieguyn was in as an absolute compromise. I thought he was town but I'd rather have a mislynch than a no lynch.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:30 am

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In post 473, Brian Skies wrote:Really? Why? In that situation, I'd rather have a no lynch, and I expressed it as such.
You should've been more vocal. I'm wrong, I thought there were 13 people in this game. With 12 people, there's a decent chance of 3 scum. The odds still work out well if there are 2 scum. We can right this wrong though if we NL though. I don't like your reasoning for NLing but that's you and not me.

Unvote, Vote: NL


That being said, we should continue to keep talking.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #29) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:21 am

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In post 481, Alduskkel wrote:Am I really supposed to believe you a) don't know how many scum are in this OPEN setup
Whooptedoo I made a mistake on one part of the setup and now realize that my theorizing is not needed.

Unvote, Vote: Adusskel

Alduskkel wrote: and b) have determined that NOW is the opportune time for a no lynch?
Considering that under those circumstances we'd need to use it now unless you wanted to NL on N3.

If making a mistake is not town behavior to you, then I think you're in your own league.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:02 am

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Unvote, Vote: TNE
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Post Post #508 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:09 am

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Vote TNE or DIE
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Post Post #517 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:38 pm

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In post 515, Ankamius wrote:Alduskkel: Why did you have to meta? Seriously, that came so far out of left field.
Desperate times, desperate measures.
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Post Post #524 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:31 am

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Do you really think that will make a difference?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #34) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:19 am

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In post 542, Brian Skies wrote:Tell me about Hiraki, ns. The slot feels hollow to me. And how familiar are you with all the players in this game?
Are you asking this because you know what you're going to hear?
In post 543, Ankamius wrote:This explanation only makes it look worse, since I see town coming to this conclusion and clearing the air while initially seeing the case rather than after everything happens. At the very least, the thought process would be more obvious instead of just "OH WAIT ALSO META".
You are spared one night, notscience.

Unvote, Vote: Aduskkel
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Post Post #551 (isolation #35) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:44 am

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In post 550, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 546, Hiraki wrote:Are you asking this because you know what you're going to hear?
I don't have a clue what ns is going to say. And I do value other people's opinions. Are you worried?
NS and I are not the best of friends and I have a good hunch that you are aware of this.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #36) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:44 am

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EWBOP:

*Notscience and I
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Post Post #557 (isolation #37) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:27 pm

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Either of them are scum. The only difference is that Aduskkel has more votes now.

I'm not sparing him to gain an order, I'm sparing him because I can get Aduskkel done faster.

You're going to have to requote it.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #38) » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:17 pm

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Not liking how indecisive some people are.

Would like more content from IP.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:11 am

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Unvote, Vote: ETL


Compromise.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:12 am

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There's 7 hours left.

Vote ETL.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:18 am

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Why would you vote someone who has already selfvoted?
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Post Post #599 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:50 am

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That's L-2 for ETL.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #43) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:43 pm

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I voted him because lynching was better than no lynching.

If I was scum, I'd just lurk more during that time and make up some bullshit on why I didn't do anything and then complain about other people not doing anything while acknowledging that I did not do anything myself.

You can check my scumplay, I literally do this all the time.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #44) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:43 pm

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EWBOP: Not to mention, Sakura would've been a faster than lynch than ETL.
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Post Post #651 (isolation #45) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:48 am

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In post 648, Brian Skies wrote:Also, I 100% guarantee IP is the RB and I want to strangle him right now for denying me my report.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:45 am

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Oh right, just going to ignore yesterday, eh?

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Post Post #667 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:58 am

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This is true, my mistake.

Unvote, Vote: Adduskel
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Post Post #736 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:45 am

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Jacob, placing a vote is much less useless though.

That goes for Doctor and Ankamius--or at least showing some actual lean.
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Post Post #743 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:43 pm

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In post 742, DoctorEagle wrote:Sure, lets go kill the conf town roleblocker. Logic.
Yes, I'm sorry. I'm infallible. Are you making a mistake scummy? Really now? Too bad this isn't the worst part.
DoctorEagle wrote:If we aren't lynching Ank for the horrendous "scum did a no kill gambit" statement today, then we must do it tomorrow.
This is lining up lynches to the textbook definition.

Unvote: DoctorEagle


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Post Post #752 (isolation #50) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:31 am

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And when I admitted that I made a mistake, did that have an effect on your vote or did you casually ignore it the second time?
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Post Post #791 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:34 am

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I'd really rather Doctor but Alduskkel is still my safe bet.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #52) » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:08 am

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NS blows up regardless.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #53) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:39 pm

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Vote: Alduskkel


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Post Post #846 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:23 am

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Tunneling is my priority.

But eagle is a suitable second. I won't hop on until later.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:37 pm

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Anyone could've made that post. It's not townie enough.
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Post Post #879 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:03 am

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I want Alduskkel now, solely. 100% on the money here.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #57) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:48 am

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Yesterday. It faltered quickly though.
In post 862, Alduskkel wrote:The sad fact is is that DE's responses are pretty town at this point. Is there no support for an NS lynch?
But then you voted NS in the next post after his response.

You asked us a question without the intention of receiving an answer. That's a clear sign of grasping at straws.

You are scum. I have no doubts about this now.

If needed, i.e. if you guys don't follow me within around 3 hours, I will go further.
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Post Post #884 (isolation #58) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:21 am

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You asked if there was no support for an NS lynch. You then voted him in the next post.

Why would you ask the question if you were already adamant on voting him?
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Post Post #886 (isolation #59) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:08 am

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Because that's totally the person who should be answering that question.
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Post Post #888 (isolation #60) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:18 am

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It'll all be over if you vote Adduskel.

And you know you want to Pie.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #61) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:04 am

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In post 889, InflatablePie wrote:I'd actually be defending him right now if it wouldn't drop my IQ a few points to do so

that's the level of dumb this argument is at.
Can you explain why Alduskkel asked the question then?

Not like it matters since you're not Alduskkel but he's not doing a good job of doing it.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #62) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:15 pm

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Except that there was no point for Alduskkel to ask that question due to that vote, like I've said before.
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Post Post #906 (isolation #63) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:18 pm

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How do you know that scum didn't make a move?
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Post Post #909 (isolation #64) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:24 pm

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In post 907, InflatablePie wrote:Hiraki: maybe because I did not submit a block last night, so we know scum are no-killing?
...you weren't lying?
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Post Post #912 (isolation #65) » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:07 pm

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Yes. I was waiting for you to say something about it.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #66) » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:35 am

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Have nothing to say.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #67) » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:37 am

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Actually, I'll just say that Jacob Savage's little slip is more of a towntell than a scumtell because I'd expect to him to care a bit more in a scumgame than a towngame.

That being said, I'm fine with entirely forgetting about it.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #68) » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:33 am

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Then, I'll compromise and we get rid of Adduskel.

Unvote, Vote: Eagle
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Post Post #986 (isolation #69) » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:08 pm

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In post 946, Alduskkel wrote:Also, Hiraki, you're a fucking tunneler. I figured out it was town v. town, you didn't.
get gud
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Post Post #992 (isolation #70) » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:44 pm

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In post 987, notscience wrote:You tell him to get good as if you care :<
Except that "I really don't care" refers to the phrase before...?
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