Mini 1500:Narnia- The Lion,the Witch,and the Wardrobe Mafia

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VOTE: Skelda

I don't like goats.

At all.

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VOTE: hermy

The only thing worse than goats is a person that doesn't hate goats.

CLAIM NOW SCUMMYYYYYYYYY!!!!!11!!11!!!

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Yes I am scum. The ice queen actually. Good job guys, you got me.

Also hey! I like wagons a lot since I'm scum! I better start on one!

VOTE: JKLM

Yayyyy I'm doing this right

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Can I vote the Mod for making a grammar error in the banner? I would like to, but after all some mistakes has no punishments.

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Aw darn it I wasn't lynched. D:

vote mnemonic

For not voting me obviously

What a terrible scummy decision

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Hey look guys, we have a serious vote the 4th post of pg 2 woo hoo!

vote mozamiz

Trying to get a mislynch wagon as early as possible. Scum IMO but I know some people think that getting out of RVS early is a town thing to do so to each his own really.

But my own opinion would be that he's scum who wants to get day 1 over with as quick as possible~

Also avatars really help.

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Well and I've learned since what you're referring to but I'm APARETLY he wants to move out of RVS, so I'm gonna fufill his wish.

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Da dum! And so it begins!

Here we go! Off to never land!

think of a wondeful thought...

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VOTE: Honig

You

don't

want us out of RVS? Also, Godwin.

Broken Aquarium, care to explain why you're voting someone instead of just voting?

nthing the request for avatars.

VOTE: smarget

To be fair I was the one who found it odd first, geez Atleast put some effort into trying to point scum fingers

Mmm delicious scum fingers

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if i can interpret that...
i'm voting mneumonic cause of post 30. it's the most that's stuck out to me. his whole "i would vote that, but...."
what's the point in saying that?

He's referring to another game we had together, can't talk about it. He knows what he's talking about there.

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VOTE: Skelda

For reasons I'm not allowed to say ATM, this is his scummyness.

There isn't a lot of stuff going on here that I have to say, I'll give this thread another read.

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I can't talk about ongoing games.

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Well what should we do then?

Sit here as spew crap for longer? I say nay! That just muddies things up. It's day 2 that shouldn't be stupid fast.

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I know I can't.

Trust me. I know I'm asking for a lot but Skelda is scum. I know that sounds like a scummy excuse but this is scum skelda i know it.

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Here's the simplest way I can put his sum play:
Very careful.
Not a risk taker.
Conformist.

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Your very first post is exactly all of that

Call it a bet I'm willing to take

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Don't worry that reaction you've given isn't your scummy so it's all good

unvote

Just was suspsiscious, played it up so I could see you react. You did fine.

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Yeah, care to clarify Mneumonic? I was going to say you were opurtunistic on that wagon for Skelda until I realized you never voted for him. So what is interesting...?

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Mneumonic never struck as me scummy as I never thought that scum could be that transparently complacent

Atleast I've thought but I could be wrong

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skelda, what do you think about his posts i linked...
post 30, where he says he would vote for JKLM, but he knows that's his posting style
as well as post 59, when he defends peace... when others were kind of getting their backs up at peace.
and post 61 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5341743

i know this is not a good argument... but i do that very thing as scum. whiteknight the people that town suspect.

Except if he could tell you why it would make sense why he said that about me

In fact I think I already said that

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You realize that since you've admitted the fact that you admitted your vote was pointless he won't really feel pressure from your vote?

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Not yet. I need time to catch up. I've honestly been skimming the past few days so I'm lost again

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vote Mneumonic

Noooooooooooooo bad MD

Your vote is your weapon

Use it

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>>Deleted the double posts <<

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Ouch a prod, I almost forgot about this game, I think the last time I was here I was still goofy... I need a sec to catch up, I need to sort thru who's scum and who isnt

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unvote

This on/off wagon of MD is scum based entirely. How I can tell? Look at the deadpan it's slowed too on several points
In other news MD and Skelda are both town
Honig seems like a red herring to me that may be scum motivated but I gotta check more into that

vote peace

THIS PONY RIDING OF YOURS IS UNNACEPTABLE

Seriously I don't care that's how he's deciding how he wants to ask, acting anti town and just saying "I'm always like this" isn't a magical sheild, you can't keep riding the "I just play this way" pony all day long. Tis too easy I've noticed in this site for scum to hide behind BS play styles.

DO SOME WORK MAN

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Skelda is town because he is. I somehow doubt ALL FIVE people on the wagon were scum. I know Atleast ONE maybe two of them are scum but Skelda ain't one of em.

I voted peace however becauase it's starting to become a sort of policy for me: if you don't help the town much and just call it you regular behavior (Save for people like Mutley who are actually helpful even though they post less than what people would want) are either NEVER going to be helpful to town at any point, or it's scum trying to float thru the game. With the whole stupid notion going around this site that "if he sticks out too much than he's prob not scum".
It just makes it easier for scum to not even try to hide to win.

The way I see it, if he is town we could Atleast lean who the scum that participated on the wagon. I rarely find that scum are able to resist staying off a mislynch wagon to risk making the day longer.

And I know what will be said to that:

OH JKLM BUT NOW THAT YIUVE SAID THAT SCUM WILL STAY OFF THE WAGON OR MAYE NOT SO NOW YOUR POINT IS NULL BECAUAE OF WIFOM

Well that's stupid. Because WIFOM is dead. There's so much crap piles of WIFOM in front of every scum meta or any decision that's made at all that it's literally a scum paradise. Scum can hide behind doing exactly what they want at night and now in day because NO ONE can analyze ANYONE due to the fact simply mentioning typical behaviors makes it WIFOM.

Which is why when I play I declare WIFOM dead. People do what they want now because it's so fricking easy to fe away with it on this site. There is no stupid tactics to throw people off trails, scum do what thy want because they can.

WIFOM is dead.

So back to the point, peace's intended pony riding is UNNACEPTABLE. So I voted her.

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@Mnemonic
You have shocked me a little that was a good post why didn't you do a post like that from the start through? Through I think it would of been better to leave the whole post and bolded the relevant bits than to leave out little bits in this case since you used most of it anyway.

vote gamr

He made a case about Skelda being scum because how he likes to use positive adverbs
That's not good, that's like saying a persons manipulative if they use fancy language,
It's not good

So please, buddy harder.

Also I'd still be down for a peace lynch but I think I may have found scum here

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@jklm
Finally someone challenges me, people have been afraid to challenge me all game and I was wondering when someone would. *cracks neck*. It's a good post because he actually he has listed his points instead of listing no points at all. I never said I agreed with all his points that's why I didn't unvote him. If we encourage players to list their reasons we can get better reads out of them. This encourages more 1on1s where scum have the hardest time coping.

Please list all of Mnemonic points as well he points out not just one. You make it sound like that was the only thing in his case as well. You can see just by looking at his he does raise one or two good points like his 1 and 4 even through the rest are meh. Even through I still think Skelda is town. I really wanted to see a good back and forth between mnemonic and skelda.


Also If you want to talk about buddying what about you and aquarium. His latched on to your last few votes pretty much copying you with out reason and not once have you ever thought to questioned him. Actually in post 123 it seems like you are coaching him. Saying it's a bad idea to go down this line subtlely

We could also get down on how you want a policy lynch halfway through the day wouldn't that be a waste of day town would get no info for it. You also seem the day to end fast calling anyone scum on a wagon that has stopped. Also didn't you say this.

You realize that since you've admitted the fact that you admitted your vote was pointless he won't really feel pressure from your vote?

Then whats the point of policy lynch on someone who doesn't speak much if you think that way? I have been starting to doubt you JKLM ever since you brought up the peace policy lynch.

Okay uh several things here
I'm not sure at what you think in getting at with MD and Skelda, I've been vague about it but my gut says typical town behavior for them, I don't see much scum motivation in what they do

I knew what you were talking about with broken aquarium but I wanted to see another sheep from him to make sure I'm not crazy
I kinda forgot about him re entering into this game myself, so yeah he probabalyd eserves a vote better than you do. I kinda see it going two ways: he's trying to set up a town block on the first day or he's buddying hardcore. I think 4 times is a bit excessive to list a town tell on me in such short amount of time

Honestly gamr not to sound buddyish bit that's the best point I've heard this game, a lot of junk has been flying around at each other. Why are we not voting him?

vote Aquarium

And I don't see what you're saying on the last paragraph, be clearer. I still support a lynch in peace if it comes too it, she's on my top 3 scum reads

Although I think gamr you may be still on next once broken aquarium is dealt with

Idk that sheep wasn't something I liked either

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Nothing better to solidify your scum status than OMGUS and then switching the vote again when you get called out on it.

Complacency complacency complacency

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Broken Aquarium unvotes his scumpartner when there is a strong possibility of him getting lynched. The vote is then not put back. Noted.

VOTE: Broken Aquarium

That alone kinda confirms that BA is scum although I keep going back and forth on MD

Although not enough to vote MD

Kill jester that's just lazy I've yet to really see a SOLID argument on MD IMO

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Well yeah that IS odd he couldn't claim a character name

I've never been sur on moz either, but i hobestly haven't been paying him much attention

MD is starting to be scum by association with BA

Honestly I could be fine witha MD lynch

Intent to vote MD

convince me you're not scum
AND tell me why either Mozamis or BA is scummy. Make the best case you can.

If not tell me who is SCUMMIER than you. Talk to me. I'm the best person you'd want at an intent. IF ANY OF YOU HANMER BEFORE WE GET A RESPONSE I SWEAR I WILL KICK YOUR GONADS.

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Never mind, sorry, last time I take the word of anyone else of what the vote is, I was too lazy

Alright

Then let's get a functioning wagon on BA te hardcore scum

I'm glad you decided vote MD once you got called out as for why you did it. Good job in further making
Yourself scum.

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Nah he just says intersting all the time, it's his thing

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Well geez guys don't panic I mean we are kinda all in agreement of doing so

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No but I'm pretty sure he uses passive tone Atleast

I'm not sure how that's a scum tell but I also think it would be convenient if him and BA were both scum, I don't protect anyone, so don't try to spin it that way.

Also I'm sorry my memory is just fuzzy but I do share games with him so I've kinda gotten accustomed to his play style, not saying he isn't scum

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No wait peace bringer has a point, if at one point that used to be a tell early on it still could be a more subtle tell today.

That's actually a good point and based on his join date he's been around enough to prob know what he's talking about there

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(If it would help or be convenient in any way, then I will change my vote back. Just tell me to do so.)

This is surprisingly town. Kinda TOO helpful for scum, I think. She doesn't look worried or self conscious about just following the herd/trying to please people.

Last time I checked this was still a scumtell. Towns vote their biggest scumreads.

Unless you want to pressure test someone to get them out of their mind

Surprisingly enough I don't really rmber that charachter at all, I'm gonna check if it's legit

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Well you aren't allowed to quote I think but misconstruing every 7th word is simply paraphrasing by US law soooooo

We could always do that

Also we did simply ask for flavor, which can be translated as AMBIGOUS. What we really need to ask ourselves: are we willing to take the bet he's lying? He's either scum or just a vanilla so it may be worth it to just see connections and wagon builds from it.

Idk, I'm fine with whatever at this point. As long as it's MD or BA

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Idk if it's big enough to convict him but he could have just picked one off he most obscure characters in the book to fakeclaim

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Problem with your approach Peace is that it's like a witch trial. "The only way to find out is if we lynch him...aaaaaaah shit he WAS innocent, oh well, can't be helped".
You see that's a problem?

This is BS mozamiz, that's how mafia is played

Are you third in the scum trio? That would make sense

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And now we go back to the easy vote moz, although this time I'm not sure if it has good reason or not, it honestly could be 50/50.

So are we going to lynch MD or BA today?

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So wait he thought it was hammer right? But it wasn't right?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No matter what I'm still avid for a BA lynch tomorrow.

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How so? If anything I've pushed too hard on BA. If you're gonna try and take someone down with you when you die, Atleast do it properly.

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So we lynch BA tomorrow. Def scum.

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Not really. But even if he does you're still very scummy BA and are at the top of my list.

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The hammer ain't the problem. Scum aren't afraid to hammer scum buddies of it means getting town cred.

BA sheeped, not scumhunted, he's been playing under the shadows of other players and he just goes back and forward on stuff in scum manner as opposed to a town one.

I'd say that you're looking SCUMMIER Mozamis but that's a chainsaw defense and I don't really but Into them.

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Okay so BA was silenced. Discuss.

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From where I started scum could and in fact often did to delay their own lynch a day. If thy were silenced people often could not find the guts to vote The silenced due to the fact they're silenced. I am in that group.

I'll analyze why scum here silenced BUT not now, I don't want to open up a load I'd WIFOM. To everyone else: please don't discuss why he was silenced for now. I promise I will write an in depth analysis as to why but if you talk about it you will open up a can ifWIFOM. That, and I don't want any scum influencing this analysis.

Night kill: discuss.

(Night kill WIFOM is dead, so yes just figure out the simplest reason he was killed)

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I think it's just cause literally everyone got a town read on him, so nvm it's not full of info.

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So I've come to a conclusion.
There are only a couple of reasons to silence players:
-to shut a player up that's making good points
- to create false suspsicion on player to get town to mislynch
-to let scum silence themselves as an excuse to bot be lynched for the day


It is the third one as a result of process of elimination. Here is why:

It can't be the first because look at his ISO. BA has made no arguments or accusations outside of what other players have said. There is no way he could have caught onto scum because he hasn't made any unique cases that would warrant him as the one to be silenced.

It definitely isn't the second reason, why? BA had a wagon in his own right throught the end of day 1. If scum wanted to stage a mislynch and BA was town, he would have cursed himself into being lynched himself. He only got SCUMMIER by the second and mos people were starting to scum read him.

By POE the third point is the only logical thing that would cause scum to silence BA.

VOTE: BA

And that's that.

Case closed. Good huddle guys. Let's get him.

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I've over looked hermy hobestly so I'll look into that

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Skelda, one don't put actions in my mouth. This would be a stupid tactic for scum to do by silencing a person and then calling themselves out on it, you know I'm not only not that ballsy but I'm also not that stupid.

Two, silenced usually make people less suspsiscious anyways, so in order for your logic you'd have to actually beleive my argument that silencing of BA was done for a very specific purpose. If BA was going to be a mislynch target, they wouldn't have silenced him, based on the fact that BA had bough people on his tail and honestly him talking a bit more deal his fate of a lynch. He would have out himself in, so scum silencing BA would have been useless an a waste of a night action.

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We can't really KYNCH BA today unfortunately (peace is right) so I'm gonna have to move my vote

I'm lazy right now and hermy is kind if a toss up

Sooooooo

VOTE: Hermy

Very lazy I know

But idont have any other reads that seem to be irony out for me

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Oh whoops somehow I thought it was at l-2 when I voted

Well it is now so I'm fine with pressure cooking him

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I'll sheep that.

VOTE: Hermy

What the "fudge", as Garmr would say, is this?

VOTE SMARGARET

Hey you forgot that I was even lazier

ALTEAST pretend like you're not skimming this board for easy to make cases

vote Mozamis

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VOTE: RachMarie

So he's a sub right?

He spends his first real post distancing from the mislynch. This could be a real good scum move, it's sets up himself for easy mislynch target day 2. It could be genuine, but an odd thing happens: very few posts as of lately. Day 2 has been around for a whole, where is he?

He's making a classic "I'm gonna check on ISOs and stuff later" (with no results) I would say he's prob trying to flaky by

I realize these are kind if weak

BUT
If he really is scum it will probably be VERY IMPORTANT in giving us information to go off of. If he is sum, than BA is certainly not scum a all. At. All. Which I'm willing to say I COULD be wrong.

All in all: this will be the most informational lynch.

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I am willing to one versus one. I am that confident. If Hermy flips town, I will willingly sacrifice myself.

How is this pro town at all

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Crap idont feel good about a hermy lynch, I think he may be town

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This day was rushed by all meanings of the word.

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Killer I feel that isn't really safe logic, I always find that scum try to control lynches like how you are. It's possible they could both be scum, they could both be town.

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Holy crap.

Well I'll eat my shoe.

I need to reorganize me reads now.

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VOTE: Mozamis

Yeah thanks for revealing you scummyness. Misrep is not a good thing. Tsk tsk.

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I swore I responded to that.

Stupid drafts,

I'll do te whole thing again but it'll e shorter I guess...

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Oh see I missed the claim I guess, I was more concerned that I missed hammer on a guy I thought was town.

Idk why having an open mind about people's alignments is such a scummy thing, a close minded town is just as dangerous as a waffley town/scum.
I wasn't sure if he was scum as much as I though BA. Dot make t look like I pushed for mD without voting, I had fricking already addressed that. BA WAS SCUMMIER TO ME. THAT WAS WHERE MY VOTE WAS. If you could stop misrepping me that's e nice thanks.

I like how I distance myself from the hermy lycnh AFTER it happened, and that labels me as scum. It makes no senses because it was AFTER the hammer, it would have been so easy to say "crap I should have voted him myself" if I KNEW HE WAS THE GODFATHER BEING SCUM. Jiminey cricket, i don't see how you could all miss that.

And here's more good for thought:

BA WAS KILLED.
I know that talking about night actions is taboo but that's shit because scum can just do whatever and hide behind in front of WIFOM.
But if I was scum, WHY WOULD I KILL BA IF HE WAS THE ONE I WAS TUNNELIG AS SCUM?

This is terrible logic. He was plenty scummy on his own and very nearly got himself lynched before hand. WHY THE HELL WOULD I KILL HIM IF I WAS SCUM?

USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE. PLEASE. We just got a scum down, so let's please go on and get anoter.

If I was scum as well I would HAVE VOTED RACHMARIE WHO I WAS ALREADY VOTING YESTERDAY. God. I swear you Guys make no sense anymore.

On that subject, all of my reads focused on the fact that BA was scum. When he flipped, everything I had was scratched, so I have to start over. IM SORRY THAT TRYING TO PROPERLY HAVE ACCURATE READS ON PEOPLE IS SUCH A SCUM THING FEEZ GUYS

blehhhhhhhh

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VOTE: RachMarie

So he's a sub right?

He spends his first real post distancing from the mislynch. This could be a real good scum move, it's sets up himself for easy mislynch target day 2. It could be genuine, but an odd thing happens: very few posts as of lately. Day 2 has been around for a whole, where is he?

He's making a classic "I'm gonna check on ISOs and stuff later" (with no results) I would say he's prob trying to flaky by

I realize these are kind if weak

BUT
If he really is scum it will probably be VERY IMPORTANT in giving us information to go off of. If he is sum, than BA is certainly not scum a all. At. All. Which I'm willing to say I COULD be wrong.

All in all: this will be the most informational lynch.

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It's weird I didn't get a scum read off of honig personally but I do on rach

God that's strange an uncomfortable

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Sorry
The real question is, who is WAS he voting before? Scum are gonna use this vote to WIFOM the town to oblivion, so we have to ignore that. Who they WERE voting could be more indicative

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VOTE: killer jester

Sorry Kj I can see through cheap scum rebuttal tactics, nice try at cutting off the developing wagon on the nex easiest person.

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VOTE: rachmarie

Because why else would smarget be silenced?

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^i mean votestealed.

Sorry, I was thinking how scum seen to have a very interfering type role set.

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Give me time, studying for a math test. Small question that's important:

Why am I being lynched? You will learn nothing from my lynch except that I'm mr beaver, so I'm not sure what to tell you.
I am vanilla (which I know is damning but it's what I am)

So what exactly made me scummy? And what will my lynch tell you hen I flip town?

I'll make a proper case with enough time for deadline to be sufficient so don't hammer me yet

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Crap. I forgot. If it gets down to an hour of deadline and there is no one around still, I'll just self hammer, I have a feeling that only one scum is on my wagon, while the other is letting the town deal with it. Be fortunate I'm vanilla. There is only 2 scum left in all likelyhood so tomorrow it is IMPERITAVE That you guys find scum. I'd say scum is Rachmarie (the other scum who is getting nervous about the day going on) and then killer jester, who jumps on at the arguably most scummiest spot to end the building of his own wagon. Not gonna hand out obv town reads to scum just because theirs really isn't any obv town here honestly.

I'd say rachvotes are good BUT I understand it's too short of a time to give a new wagon a build, so maybe a no KYNCH would be benficial to the town? Mislynches are much harder with even numbers.

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Sorry guys, town. But you're gonna apreciate this lynch.

I'm a variant of the bomb role. The first scum that voted me who is still on this wagon will now die.
Good job guys.

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So scum, care to comment? Ooh I'd love to see the look on your face now.

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That's 2 confirmed town, right up there^