Open 530 "WSoB" (Stack the Deck): GAME OVER

[InflatablePie]

if you think two players are scum, you don't vote with your other scumread.

I could see you being scum with Sakura and not willing to bus her too heavy D1.

[Brian Skies]

@IP: Who are you talking to?

[pieguyn]

if you think two players are scum, you don't vote with your other scumread.

I could see you being scum with Sakura and not willing to bus her too heavy D1.

why not? I'll vote for anyone who I think is scum, kthx.

[Alduskkel]

Unvote

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Vote: JacobSavage

. Partly just to start consolidating votes, partly because I don't care for a pieguy or Sakura wagon, partly because JacobSavage is scummy.

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: JacobSavage

Ald: what makes this wagon different from the Sakura wagon?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

pieguy, I voted Sakura due to the way she was defending Venrob. I still think she's probably scum but to be honest, I haven't looked at her for a while. I've been so busy; I need to do more ISOs. I'm having a hard time reading many of the people in this game cuz really, I don't know most of you. However, JS is just making my skin crawl because he says he explained his reads, but I don't see it in his ISO, and I've asked him why you're in his scumlist, still with no response. I would like to see the VC before I vote, but that's where it will go.

[Alduskkel]

unvote vote: JacobSavage

Ald: what makes this wagon different from the Sakura wagon?

What makes them similar?

[pieguyn]

@ETL: wait, me? I think you must have meant someone else LOL

What makes them similar?

they're both wagons forming near LyLo

[pieguyn]

EBWOP: day end not LyLo
I need to quit posting when I'm really tired =.=

[Alduskkel]

Ok, let's look at it this way. If I don't get on a wagon that's forming near the end of the day, then my only option is... Venrob (Bert).

It's not about WHEN the wagon forms, it's about how it forms. And I don't like how the Sakura wagon was shaping up, as I said earlier.

[yabbaguy]

"Last hand going out! Last hand!"

*everyone huddles around the table to watch the action conclude*

Vote Count 1.10

12 alive, 7 to lynch

JacobSavage (4): Ankamius, Sakura Hana, Alduskkel, pieguyn
Sakura Hana (2): EspeciallyTheLies, DoctorEagle
pieguyn (2): Bert, InflatablePie
thenewearth (1): Brian Skies

Not Voting: JacobSavage, thenewearth, Hiraki

V/LA: Sakura Hana (9/29)
Still Prodding: thenewearth

Deadline: September 28, 3 PM EDT (GMT-4) ((expired on 2013-09-28 15:00:00))

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Mkay. Pieguy, I was just talking to you particularly.

VOTE: JacobSavage

[thenewearth]

prod response.

Had too many programs at school and stuff

[InflatablePie]

@IP: Who are you talking to?

pieguy. sorry for not quoting.

if you think two players are scum, you don't vote with your other scumread.

I could see you being scum with Sakura and not willing to bus her too heavy D1.

why not? I'll vote for anyone who I think is scum, kthx.

ok... I'll still think you're scum for it? like, town usually expresses some sort of dislike for voting with one of their scumreads, you didn't seem to have a problem.

really not liking the way votes are dropping down on this wagon... gonna need to look into it quickly before bed or work tomorrow.

[InflatablePie]

228 gives me townvibes, same with 232's "white knighting" comment. I see scum defending townies for towncred all the time, logic checks out.

like, this wagon is TERRIBLE and I'm wondering why everyone is going with it.

[InflatablePie]

ank's logic for his post (the so called case) is bad

ETL saying she can't see a single reason for pieguy scum when I gave some reasons is irritating.

"I can buy Jacob scum case" - sakura -- what case? ank's post is barely a case... goddamn this reeks.

alduskkel's vote also sucks (would have been fine with it if he hadn't called jacob scummy tbh)

and no surprise that pieguy again does not care that a scumread of his is on the wagon, just jumps right on.

if anyone wants to try and swing a sakura or pieguy wagon, I'll be able to post around 1pm est hopefully. not joining the jacob wagon, even if it means no lynch. really really not liking the way things are going down.

[pieguyn]

and no surprise that pieguy again does not care that a scumread of his is on the wagon, just jumps right on.

I don't like this logic = =

if you let yourself get bound by your current scumreads at a certain time, you can't escape the mafia's control. without seeking out other possibilities, mafia can just hide somewhere in the flow without being caught by anyone. even though I have a scumread on Sakura, I continued to hunt in other places in the hope to come up with a possibly stronger idea. by keeping all my scumreads independent, I account for a greater number of possibilities that each individual person might be scum, instead of binding myself by a possibility that my initial read is scum that might not even be correct in the first place.

also, keep in mind I was scumreading JacobSavage for a long time even before anyone wagoned him. this seems like circular logic: I'm mafia -> I was just trying to hop on a wagon instead of voting someone I think could be mafia -> I'm mafia

not joining the jacob wagon, even if it means no lynch.

NL'ing on D1 is like the worst thing you can do ever

even if we end up lynching a townie, we can use the 100% confirmed info of the flip and combine it with how the wagon happened to get more powerful information. and if we lynch a mafia, boom we lynched mafia. but if we NL, we don't get any new information... clearly this doesn't benefit town = =

228 gives me townvibes, same with 232's "white knighting" comment. I see scum defending townies for towncred all the time, logic checks out.

atm, you're doing the same thing to Jacob as he claimed I was doing to Venrob. why is it suspicious when I do it but not you?

in fact I was townreading you before cause I liked how you put new ideas in your introduction post, but the way you're playing is just so weird for me = = mb it's just cause it's so different playstyle.. orz

[Brian Skies]

My vote is worthless where it is right now. So I'm just going to sheep IP and see which wagon makes it to deadline. I'm still not liking the JS wagon and there is no way I'm joining it.

VOTE: Pieguyn

[Brian Skies]

Also, there is an even number of players, so I'm not against an early no lynch. Mafia should be providing us a flip anyways.

[Alduskkel]

If JS is town then why the hell doesn't he push his reads by, you know, fucking voting? He's all talk, you'd think he would have been on the pieguy wagon a long time ago.

pedit: Why is pieguy scum? What don't you like about his defense?

peditx2: There are too many ways for the game to go to odd numbers without us no lynching that I'd prefer if we just let those shake out and no lynch at lylo if necessary.

[pieguyn]

My vote is worthless where it is right now. So I'm just going to sheep IP and see which wagon makes it to deadline. I'm still not liking the JS wagon and there is no way I'm joining it.

VOTE: Pieguyn

earlier you were townreading me, just wondering why the flip flop plz?

also the thing with NL is it's not entirely a numbers game, it's an information game. we need all the information we can get early in the game. NL'ing causes one less flip and I don't think a flip on N1 would tell us anything especially when we have nothing confirmed at this point, and also mafia controls NK exclusively instead of having a town-oriented death. I seriously don't get how NL is a good idea at all = =

[pieguyn]

last post I can make before day end

if I somehow die, I'm calling IP x Sakura team. currently, IP's logic is incorrect. and, the possibility he accused me to distract attention from Sakura and then called me x Sakura team for the sake of distancing makes sense imo. If I survive I can rethink the possibilities on D2, but for now, that's all =w=

hope to see you all again tomorrow www

[JacobSavage]

Here:

VA is scum because his name is last and I didn't see it when I was moving the names around, SO BY JOVE HE MUST BE SCUM.

Venrob is scum because of this self meta thing, that and he deliberately avoids his other scum games that he replaced out of which to be honest, given how he seems to be trying to cover it up.

You are scum if Venrob isn't for trying to white knight him over something stupid.

1. What I was saying is that your reasoning is shit. "Venrob is town for his self-meta" when I just gave an example of self-meta as scum, which makes your point null.
2. You seem to be misrepping now. I said your town tell is null because 1. and Venrob is scum for deliberately avoiding in his meta any scum games that would actually be useful for us.
3. I really wasn't paying attention, to be perfectly honest. THat and I don't think I've seen VA or Sakura play before meaning I can't comment.
4. That's how I roll.

Why because I'm silly, but seriously Adesk, the difference is pieguyn is that his reasoning is fairly soild, compared to your "he self meta'd, obvs not scum"

VOTE: Pieguyn

[DoctorEagle]

Well, DP hasn't responded on my QT, but I still want to vote JS because he's not really sticking to his reads and he's not voting for his scum reads. The other thing is, I don't really see the scumness in pieguy, so we only have 5 hours left...

VOTE: JacobSavage

[JacobSavage]

I'm a L-1 and I may not be on later,

Claim: Bodyguard