Open 530 "WSoB" (Stack the Deck): GAME OVER

[notscience]

Ald, ask DP how I act when shit like that happens

[Alduskkel]

DP, how does notscience act when shit like that happens?

[InflatablePie]

Well if they picked something more than just JOAT then they KNEW there was roleblocker, right?

So you think they picked JOAT, recruited Traitor, and no-killed rather than killed the 'confirmed' bodyguard (with Gooncop dying despite roleblock and strongman flip)?

If Jacob was town, how is this smart?
If Jacob is scum, this is impossible (no BG counterclaim, vig, or IC).

[Alduskkel]

I didn't say it wasn't confusing. Maybe they want us to lynch JS?

[InflatablePie]

NKing two nights in a row is dumb, especially now with a roleblocker alive. Because if scum end up getting lynched they can get screwed over.

[Alduskkel]

So... should we lynch JS then?

[Sakura Hana]

Back from V/LA, I see many interesting points wrt NKA, but the only way for scum to be certain that there's a RB is for them to have taken 3 powers, which would give all 5 powers to town. Which then means we have a vig, but considering 1 NK, and 2 nights without a kill, there's mostly certain we dont have a vig, for scum to pull a gambit like that they should have taken only 1 power, but then what was the purpose of killing the goon cop?

Hmm... this is giving me a headache X_X

[yabbaguy]

Vote Count 4.3

8 alive, 5 to lynch

Hiraki (3): JacobSavage, Sakura Hana, DoctorEagle
Alduskkel (2): Hiraki, Ankamius
InflatablePie (1): notscience
notscience (1): Alduskkel

Not Voting: InflatablePie

Deadline: November 6 @ 9 AM EST ((expired on 2013-11-06 09:00:00))

[InflatablePie]

So... should we lynch JS then?

Um. No.

If I'm wrong and JS

is

town, I die tonight. What does this accomplish?

vote Alduskkel

[Alduskkel]

Well

I have no fucking clue

. In what circumstances is JS town again?

I'm with Sakura, the setup spec/NKA is just confusing at this point.

[InflatablePie]

It's not confusing if you actually

think

.

- Scum either took one, or two powers. We know one is the strongman.
- If scum only took a Strongman role, Jacob is scum.
- Scum

probably

did not take rolecop or bulletproof, due to killing the scummy goon cop n1.
- Scum

could

have taken daytalk or recruited traitor, the latter meaning they no-killed N2.
- Jacob has been seen as scummy by some, but is still alive. Venrob/Bert was seen as scummy, but died.
- Scum did not succeed in killing the night after ETL died (N2), and I did not roleblock scum that night. Either they no-killed or hit traitor.
- Scum did not succeed in killing last night, when I blocked Ankamius. Either they no-killed or I blocked scum-Ank.
- The strongest play after ETL died (confirming a Strongman, thus 'confirming' Jacob), is to kill the bodyguard N2.

Some facts and speculation to help this along.

[InflatablePie]

I'm liking either Aldusk for a lynch today after the past page of conversation, or we bite the bullet and kill Ank and see what happens.

Since I did my math wrong and tomorrow's a 5:2 with a no-kill, I'm fine with not lynching Ank today, since we get another lynch if scum don't kill tonight. If they do kill tonight, we'll have at least one more confirmed town and it's LYLO.

[Sakura Hana]

It's very simple really, Scum only took one power, if JS was town there's no reason for them not to kill him, Scum shot JS Night 2 because there wasnt an outed RB yet, so they thought he was the actual BG, the shot didnt go through so he's actually the traitor and they decided to no kill gambit N3 because the RB would mislynch again... or the goon actually got RB'd.

That's my theory anywya, we know there's no vig because lack of a 2nd kill, and 2 no kills in a row, and we dont have an IC either.

Thoughts?

[Alduskkel]

I actually like that theory a lot. IP, what didn't you like about my responses?

[InflatablePie]

That's what led me to believe JS is scum. Guess no one's been reading my posts.

@Aldusk: not liking the way our convo about speculation went. Every time I came up with a point (which I've already stated), you led me to another point, and somehow we got to lynching JS, which... no. I think he's scum but I don't necessarily think he's our lynch. Especially if I'm wrong, then we're out two PRs. I'd rather narrow down the chances first.

[Alduskkel]

Fair enough about not lynching JS. OTOH, I'm not sure what you think my scum motivation for all that was.

Is there any reason we can't just lynch Ankamius and you can confirm someone

else

as town by roleblocking them?

[Hiraki]

I'd really rather Doctor but Alduskkel is still my safe bet.

[DoctorEagle]

DP, how does notscience act when shit like that happens?

He blows up. Like when we caught scum in Newbie 1407 and didnt commit to it while losing in lylo. He got pissed after game.

NS is town.

[DoctorEagle]

So... should we lynch JS then?

Um. No.

If I'm wrong and JS

is

town, I die tonight. What does this accomplish?

vote Alduskkel

This is quite confusing. If you think JS is scum, when exactly do you want to lynch him?

Not sold on Ald, I agree with Eagle on Hiraki or Ank actually.

[Alduskkel]

So NS

only

blows up when scum? Is that what I'm supposed to believe? Otherwise it's completely null.

[Hiraki]

NS blows up regardless.

[InflatablePie]

This is quite confusing. If you think JS is scum, when exactly do you want to lynch him?

When I die, probably.

Let's say we lynch someone today (town), and I die tonight. Scum trade me off for Jacob-traitor. Alternatively, they kill him tonight if he's town, and I have one day left to find the last scum pretty much. If he's the Traitor, they can't kill him, so...

unvote

YOU ARE TEARING ME APART WITH YOUR TOWNIE RESPONSES, ALDUSKKEL


And you know what, fine, fuck it. Ank can't be a PR and he's being fucking lurky and useless watching this town self-destruct.

vote Ankamius

If he's town, well, scum need to make a choice tonight anyway. I'm fine with it going to LYLO (4:2) with me being the only town alive, because if someone dies tonight it

has

to be Jacob. Otherwise scum can't really make any other kill. If they kill me, Jacob gets lynched. If they kill a random townie it just makes it easier for us to hunt in LYLO.

I'm dumb, sorry.

Everyone off the Hiraki wagon, as much as I don't want him fucking up in LYLO he's probably town.

[InflatablePie]

*only confirmed town alive

[Sakura Hana]

If you die instead of JS, JS didnt protect you and that should be a signal already.

[InflatablePie]

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